Gouki vs. Cloud

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DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
again, there's no telling that he would do that.

So you’re saying that he wouldn’t fire any hadoukens off at all?

Originally posted by Sado22
not really. going by your *ugh* logic, he's more durable than steel. so what's he worried about?

Lol, you really need to think outside the box here.

Gouki’s up against an opponent that he doesn’t know. For all he knows, he could be more durable than the sword, but then again he couldn’t be. I don’t think he’s stupid enough to test that first-handedly in a potentially disastrous experiment.

Originally posted by Sado22
what? where did you just pull that one out of? FFAC cloud. whatever he's done in FFAC, he's doing here.

And he pulled off a Limit Break, which one could only do after sustaining high damage (which he was, he was stabbed through the shoulder).

Otherwise he would have just owned Sephiroth with it early on when Sephiroth was taking the battle far too lightly.

Originally posted by Sado22
not prepared for 6way, intangible sword ownage either.

You keep saying this as though it meant something.

Originally posted by Sado22
you and your pathetic bitchfests 🙄

Again, another worthless comeback.

Can you at least explain to me how what I just said was a “*****-fest” and how your continuous whining of how I keep name-calling does not make your accusation unjustified?

Lol you’re just tossing random flaming out now. No backup at all.

Originally posted by Sado22
nice way of biting yourself in the ass, really.

I am going to make fun of all your insults here because really, without support they’re just like pebbles thrown down a deep well. To put it in a less convoluted way…absolutely worthless.

Keep them coming, haha.

After all this talk about temper, you didn’t just swallow your own words there, you downed the entire lot in one gulp.

Not setting yourself a very good example, are you?

Originally posted by Sado22
of course. unlike you, i'm actually supporting the character i hate more

Then why have you been overhyping Cloud’s material, instead of sticking with the facts?

You can claim all you want, but you’re giving the wrong impression.
If you think I’m biased…show me an example of where I’m overhyping Gouki, and undermining Cloud.

Originally posted by Sado22
anytime you use the word "proof" i can't help but laugh

I don’t laugh because you can’t find any.

It’s amusing in the pathetic sense, really.

Originally posted by Sado22
and I disagree.

Give me some explanations, for once?

Seriously, just this once I’d rather not have empty claims.

Originally posted by Sado22
again...proof?

If you’re actually serious about this:

-He could have been laughing because he’s confident
-He could have been laughing because he injured Cloud
-He could have been laughing at the thought of what he’s going to do to the world
-He could have been laughing at Cloud’s geostigma starting to affect him
-He could have been laughing at Cloud’s sappy words

Etc, etc.

See? It doesn’t automatically mean confidence.

Originally posted by Sado22
you mean the steaming pile you call proof? yeah sure

Oh, since when did Tiamat’s guide and the references (and some links) to the AC material becoming a “steaming pile”, in the derogatory fashion?

You’re not really putting any thought into your replies.

It’s quite clear by now.

Originally posted by Sado22
whatever helps you sleep at night, kiddo.
~Sado

Lol. This is so like you, a worthless derogatory remark instead of an explanation as to why I am wrong.

Keep trying.

Originally posted by Sado22
tell me about it. some people just don't know when to quit

For my entertainment’s sake, I really hope you stay in this argument, haha.

Originally posted by Sado22
lol. i'm just waiting for DC to realize how he's doing nothing but proving himself wrong

Lol, keep telling yourself that.

Pebbles down the deep well, Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
contradicting himself

How?

Originally posted by Sado22
and blaming me for all the things he's doing himself.

Really, how?

Lol, I’ve already explained everything multiple times, more than half of which is

Originally posted by Sado22
till then (which i doubt would happen soon), i'm just going to wait and see....and laugh

Like I said, PLEASE keep replying.

Originally posted by Sado22
well, 90% of it is me pointing out DarkC's self-contradicting arguments

How?

Originally posted by Sado22
his dependence on lore and

Once again, you took a definition out of context.

Congrats.

Originally posted by Sado22
telling him that he doesn't know akuma personally to tell me what he'd do in a fight

This is a vs. thread, after all.

I go by common sense, which you seem to ignore.
You also seem to disregard the fact that you seem to automatically know what Cloud would do (which is pull off a Omnislash at the very start of the battle, which is impossible).

Saying that “you don’t know what he’d REALLY do” in something like a VS thread involving fictional video game characters is stupid on multiple levels.

Touché.

Sado22 Restricted

DarkC, if you haven't realized your posts are damn long and just way too repetitive. on top of that they are loaded with selfcontradictions and lore dependence. its tedious to repeat myself over and over again and point out your selfcontradictions over and over again too. i didn't even read all that you just posted.
stop with this whole circular BS of yours. everyone is complaining about it as well. i don't care if you think i'm childish or any of the other things, i was simply testing how far you're going to go before realizing your contradicting yourself. i also don't care about your little whine sessions and the whole "boohoo, sado why did you bring up my little hissyfit like that?"

so either you get that stuffing out of your ears and listen to what i'm saying, which you have adamantly refused to do so far. hence, we go back to the basics.

the basics is this:
-Cloud has a 6-in-1 sword that is anywhere from 4 to 5feet in length.
-he swings it around with great strength and speed, being able to swat/parry bullets with it
-he can even dodge bullets at close range, which is anywhere from 5feet to 10feet
-he can even do so at very close range and from two people at once
-he has also swatting bullets while fighting h2h with someone as skilled as the gauntlet bearing dude (loz, i think)
-he can levitate
-has great stamina (fought bahamut, fought yazoo and loz, fought kadaj and then fought sepiroth)
-he has a 6way teleportation move which is instantaneous and intangible
-and since you love lores so much, he can cut through anything
-he also has projectiles of his own
-and finally, he can take out any of the other 5 swords that are joined to his sword to aid himself.

there you go. these are my points and have always been. no redherrings, no accusations, no tantrums, no namecalling, and no "you-dont-know-me-sados. just good ol debates.

~Sado

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Sado22
proof?
gouki busted up the submarine with his SPECIAL. not a random kick. stop overhyping the guy....oh wait, if i say that, then what will be left of gouki but his "hidden" character status.
proof?
omnislash is instant, and sixways and intangible. pwned 😐
proof?
~Sado

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That punk ass Bahamut Sin has no feats to rival anything Gouki did in that vid.

Special? It is just a technique, which he does with his *gasp*, leg. Which cut a submarine to pieces in one blow.

What we also see from that vid, is that while 3,000 leagues under the sea(which no normal human could survive under due to the pressure), he carried a submarine to above the surface while kicking it in half, which shows better movement speed than Cloud, as he did it in one leap while underwater. Try running while chest deep in water, you can't really do it. Gouki quickly lept above the surface.

The Omnislash is "in the blink of an eye", at least the actual attack is. He still has to set the attack up by throwing his six swords around Gouki. And Cloud isn't fvcking intangible when he does it and it isn't a friggin teleport, the swords are intangible since the move is made of pure spirit power. Misogi takes no prep to do, which all Limits in FFVII do as shown in AC, he just does it, and that move will one shot Cloud. Oh...And when he sunk the island, he did that with a punch. Just a punch, the move he split Ayers Rock with he did not learn til later.

Gouki is stronger.

He is faster in terms of movement.

He hits harder.

He is more powerful.

He is more durable.

He is more experienced.

He is more skilled.

He is more versatile unless Cloud gets some materia.

Gouki stomps this fight.

Sado22 Restricted

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doesn't work 🙁

Special? It is just a technique, which he does with his *gasp*, leg. Which cut a submarine to pieces in one blow.

okay, so Kyo ko's a god with that bigass punch he did in KoF97 (possibly the mu-shiki). so is that "just a punch" or is it a special? why are you pretending that you don't see my point. what's the difference between the biggest swipe you ever took in your life and spanking your girl friend's ass while having sex? they are both your hands right? are they the same thing?

What we also see from that vid, is that while 3,000 leagues under the sea(which no normal human could survive under due to the pressure), he carried a submarine to above the surface while kicking it in half, which shows better movement speed than Cloud, as he did it in one leap while underwater.

its more of a power feat actually. the only reason he could jump that high and that fast is because he's strong enough to do it. also we don't know how fast he actually came out of the watter. let me explain it this way: Rocky marciano used to go neck deep in it till and start throwing punches. the idea was to (read carefully) STRENGTHEN his arms so that they could he become faster. the afore mentioned thing would mean he's fast, but its actually a power feat. not a speed feat.

Try running while chest deep in water, you can't really do it. Gouki quickly lept above the surface.

again its a POWER feat.

The Omnislash is "in the blink of an eye", at least the actual attack is. He still has to set the attack up by throwing his six swords around Gouki.

is there any proof of that? in the movie the moment he tossed the swords, time seemed to have frozen and seph had that orgasmic look on his face from then onwards all the way till the move finished.

And Cloud isn't fvcking intangible when he does it and it isn't a friggin teleport, the swords are intangible since the move is made of pure spirit power.

cloud was phasing right through him IIRC.

Misogi takes no prep to do

proof? in-game mechanics don't prove squat.

which all Limits in FFVII do as shown in AC, he just does it, and that move will one shot Cloud.

if he pulls it off, then yeah he would oneshot cloud.

Oh...And when he sunk the island, he did that with a punch. Just a punch, the move he split Ayers Rock with he did not learn til later.

he was perfecting that move. in case you don't know, the kongoukokuretszan has been in the SFlore since the SFA series. that move he did to the island was the same. the action was the same, the stance was the same and the ki dissipation was also more or less the same.

Gouki is stronger.

yup

He is faster in terms of movement.

nope.

He hits harder.

you already said stronger

He is more powerful.

again, you already said that.

He is more durable.

yup.

He is more experienced.

not when fighting someone with a sword, he's not.

He is more skilled.

that has nothing to do with this. there is no saying whose more skilled really because they fight differently...akuma in h2h and cloud with a sword

He is more versatile unless Cloud gets some materia.

excuse me? over all he has like 5 moves. hadouken, shoryuken, tatsumakisenpuukyayku, air hadouken (which is not really a NEW move but oh well), tenma kuujin kyaku, that flip over thing which i cant remember the name of with the follow ups. that's as far as basic moves go. then he has 4 specials and finally 3 killers: SGS, misogi and kongoukokuretsuzan.
as opposed to cloud who has six swords with him, projectiles, levitation and the ability to teleport 6 ways in an instant.

~Sado

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Ah shit.

YouTube video

Fixed. I'll answer the rest when it isn't 3:21 in the morning.

Sado22 Restricted

[quote]Fixed. I'll answer the rest when it isn't 3:21 in the morning.[/quoet]
😆
i'll check it out now. now go to sleep, foo! 😠

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
DarkC, if you haven't realized your posts are damn long

That’s because I have a tendency to do that, and thanks for the obvious.

When I first started debating and trying to stack all my arguments on top of one another I found that I was missing a lot or forgetting to reply to something, and others kept complaining or pointing it out. That’s why nowadays I separate whatever I’m replying to from the rest of the context because it’s a lot easier to read for other people.

Originally posted by Sado22
and just way too repetitive.

Yes, and that is because of circular arguments, which you largely contributed to as well as I did.

How many times did I have to do tell you to go back and read something I’ve said?
How many times did I have to tell you to acknowledge a fact or figure that I’ve brought up to support my own argument?

Originally posted by Sado22
on top of that they are loaded with selfcontradictions

No, you’re just claiming that they are.

Originally posted by Sado22
and lore dependence.

If you had actually read my post, which I see that you didn’t, you wouldn’t even be posting this right here.

It’s an English definition I’m using, not anything else. To me “lore” is basically just the same as “story” or “plot”. Is that clear now?

Originally posted by Sado22
and point out your selfcontradictions over and over again too. its tedious to repeat myself over and over again

Yeah, this right here is solid proof of what I said before.

You repeat yourself over and over again because despite being given proof/support you refuse to acknowledge a lot of it for some reason and simply go back to what you were saying before. A lot of this debate has been this:

Sado presents point A.
I present counterpoint B.

Then one of two things happen:
Sado does not acknowledge counterpoint B and repeats point A
Sado does not acknowledge counterpoint B and presents new point C
Sado makes use of a “ad hominem” and repeats point A.

Originally posted by Sado22
i didn't even read all that you just posted.

Evidently.

See, this is why I consider you to be a terrible debator, Sado; you continue to ramble on for some reason despite being given arguments. You could just have picked out what points that you wanted to discuss that were relevant to the actual thread topic, I wouldn’t have really minded. You could have even referenced where I was saying it.

But no, you ignore my entire post and soldier on with yours, which pretty much ignores the entire point of a debate altogether.

Originally posted by Sado22
stop with this whole circular BS of yours.

Lol, where is this coming from?

Okay, just read my above three posts.
Do you think you are in any position to say this? Honestly?

Originally posted by Sado22
everyone is complaining about it as well.

Who’s ‘everyone’?

So far I’ve only seen two, three people complaining, and those were regarding the actual length of my posts, which seems to be a signature trait of me by now. Yeah, I know they’re long, stop whining about it. I’m not forcing anyone to reply to the whole thing if they don’t want to.

Originally posted by Sado22
i don't care if you think i'm childish or any of the other things, i was simply testing how far you're going to go before realizing your contradicting yourself.

That excuse has kind of been used in the past to the point where it’s become a cliché, Sado.

In other words…don’t even try that with me.

“Oh I was just testing you…”
Yeah. I’m sure.

Originally posted by Sado22
i also don't care about your little whine sessions and the whole "boohoo, sado why did you bring up my little hissyfit like that?"

Whine sessions? You made a mistake, I pointed it out, and you attempt to defend yourself repeatedly despite clearly being wrong. In short, yes you did “care”.

You’re not fooling anyone, Sado, least of all I.

The very fact that you are seeing it as “whining”, well…you’re either naïve or you’re taking things the wrong way.

Originally posted by Sado22
so either you get that stuffing out of your ears and listen to what i'm saying which you have adamantly refused to do so far. hence, we go back to the basics.

This coming from someone who didn’t even read my post and said it as though he were proud of it, haha. Remarkably amusing, I have to say. Listen to what you’re saying? I’ve acknowledged pretty much everything you just said, and you didn’t read any of it at all.

You just ignored my entire post. Not only that, you’re acting right now like it was justified.

Good job, man!

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
the basics is this:
-Cloud has a 6-in-1 sword that is anywhere from 4 to 5feet in length.
-he swings it around with great strength and speed, being able to swat/parry bullets with it

Truth be told, I’ve only ever seen him parry bullets with separated versions of the First Tsurugi, not the entire combined sword which is undoubtedly much heavier.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he can even dodge bullets at close range, which is anywhere from 5feet to 10feet

He can dodge them, really?

When was this, I don’t recall seeing this in the movie or anywhere else.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he can even do so at very close range and from two people at once

Those two, however, are not in conjunction with each other.
Kadaj was shooting him from close range, then either Loz or Yazoo joined in when Cloud was at farther range.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he has also swatting bullets while fighting h2h with someone as skilled as the gauntlet bearing dude (loz, i think)

Nope, not at the same time.

Refer to that video in my last post, because you didn’t before.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he can levitate

Which isn’t too much of an advantage against someone like Gouki anyways. Remember, he’s aiming for melee combat, close quarters, he’s not going to levitate away.

Originally posted by Sado22
-has great stamina (fought bahamut, fought yazoo and loz, fought kadaj and then fought sepiroth)

Yes, but Gouki outshines him in this regard. Remember, the man trains constantly. Cloud did not have to cover any great distance with his feet during these fights either.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he has a 6way teleportation move which is instantaneous

No, it happens it the blink of an eye (which is not instantaneous, just extremely fast) And Gouki has a teleport which turns him actually intangible.

He also possesses a move that actually homes in on his opponent and is on par with the Omnislash V5 in terms of speed.

Originally posted by Sado22
and intangible

He doesn’t turn “intangible”, otherwise he wouldn’t even be able to cut anything.

Sephiroth doesn’t bleed.

Originally posted by Sado22
-and since you love lores so much

Read above.

Originally posted by Sado22
he can cut through anything

Allegedly yes, when the First Tsurugi is “truly” combined.

Originally posted by Sado22
-he also has projectiles of his own

Other than the one I’ve seen (the one where he slashes at the air) I haven’t seen any, and this one is relatively the same speed as Gouki’s hadoukens, which is slow.

Originally posted by Sado22
-and finally, he can take out any of the other 5 swords that are joined to his sword to aid himself.

And it weakens the strength of the sword(s) dramatically.

Remember, when he was fighting with the First Tsurugi it didn’t have so much as a scratch on it after. However, when he was deflecting bullets with the separated swords you could clearly see dents from the impact in the blade.

Furthermore he was unable to cause more than superficial damage to the bahamut with the separated swords until he combined the sword.

Originally posted by Sado22
there you go. these are my points and have always been.

Those were your original points. However, you helped to drag this debate out to other fields, and put all the blame on me.

So pretentious.

Originally posted by Sado22
no accusations

Until you did earlier.

Originally posted by Sado22
no tantrums

If anything, you’re taking this a little seriously; you’re on the verge of ranting.

Originally posted by Sado22
no namecalling, and no "you-dont-know-me-sados. just good ol debates.
~Sado

Sado, you’re in no position to lecture anyone on debating, considering you just ignored what I said completely.

To quote you: “Stop right there.”

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

To acknowledge a few other points:

Originally posted by Sado22
also we don't know how fast he actually came out of the watter. let me explain it this way:

Yes we do.

Watch that video again, maybe five seconds after the ship loses contact with the submarine (assuming it was destroyed) Gouki explodes out of the water.

I’m not sure of the exact numbers regarding how deep he was, but if he was deep enough that the water was starting to turn black and a heavy duty submarine was required for exploration it places him at least 1000m below the surface.

1000m underwater in less than10 seconds; it’s as much speed as it is power.

Originally posted by Sado22
is there any proof of that? in the movie the moment he tossed the swords, time seemed to have frozen and seph had that orgasmic look on his face from then onwards all the way till the move finished.

Because time didn’t freeze until AFTER Cloud threw the swords. You could hear Sephiroth make a sound of surprise and start to move, and then everything slows down to Cloud’s perspective.

Originally posted by Sado22
cloud was phasing right through him IIRC.

No, he was charged with spirit power, that’s why the swords are glowing and translucent.

Originally posted by Sado22
not when fighting someone with a sword, he's not.
that has nothing to do with this. there is no saying whose more skilled really because they fight differently...akuma in h2h and cloud with a sword

Your point is moot.

Even if Gouki uses only his fists it doesn’t mean that he’s in any less of an advantage. It’s simply his chosen technique.

It would be the same fallacy if you had, say, saying someone with a dagger is automatically at a disadvantage over a greatsword. As the old saying goes, sometimes a dagger can reach further than a sword.

Originally posted by Sado22
excuse me? over all he has like 5 moves. hadouken, shoryuken, tatsumakisenpuukyayku, air hadouken (which is not really a NEW move but oh well), tenma kuujin kyaku,

Those are special ki-based moves that are exclusively Gouki’s. Don’t forget that he possesses a lot of martial skill otherwise.

Originally posted by Sado22
that flip over thing which i cant remember the name of with the follow ups.

Demon flip is a physical move and offers a player more choice.

Originally posted by Sado22
that's as far as basic moves go. then he has 4 specials and finally 3 killers: SGS, misogi and kongoukokuretsuzan.

I think you missed Tenshou Kaireki Jin, although I am not sure that is 100% canon.

You also forgot the parry-counter as well.

Originally posted by Sado22
as opposed to cloud who has six swords with him, projectiles, levitation

I’m surprised at you spamming a movelist at me after flaming shin_remy of it last year.

Anyways, I could use your same logic to list all the FF7 moves for Cloud and say that he’s limited to that only. The AC movie was excellent at depicting on how Cloud can utilize other movies in real time and showing that he wasn’t limited. Game mechanics are always limiting, you said it yourself.

Originally posted by Sado22
and the ability to teleport 6 ways in an instant.

He can only do this when having taking a large amount of damage, both supported in the game and in the movie. It’s a limit break, after all.

Sado22 Restricted

did you just post THREE longass posts again, DarkC? with the first one being more or less what i told you to stop doing? 😕

Remi8193 Coona Matata

Who's Gouki whoever he is cloud would kick the shit out of him

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Remi8193
Who's Gouki whoever he is cloud would kick the shit out of him

Excellent debating tactic. Flawless, really, assuming Cloud can beat an unknown opponent.

Maybe I should make a Pyron vs. Cloud thread so I can see you do it again.

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier

I'll answer some of it.

Originally posted by DarkC
Watch that video again, maybe five seconds after the ship loses contact with the submarine (assuming it was destroyed) Gouki explodes out of the water.

there's still no proof it's fast or not.

Originally posted by DarkC
1000m underwater in less than10 seconds; it’s as much speed as it is power.

proof?

Originally posted by DarkC
Even if Gouki uses only his fists it doesn’t mean that he’s in any less of an advantage. It’s simply his chosen technique.

so, do you want to tell us that gouki would sunk that ship with just a punch? you know that kongou kokuretsuzan and tenshou kairiki jin are special, don't you?

Originally posted by DarkC
It would be the same fallacy if you had, say, saying someone with a dagger is automatically at a disadvantage over a greatsword. As the old saying goes, sometimes a dagger can reach further than a sword.

that's a good point you have.

Originally posted by DarkC
Those are special ki-based moves that are exclusively Gouki’s. Don’t forget that he possesses a lot of martial skill otherwise.

aside of ansatsuken, I didn't see any of other martial skill which gouki possesses. any example of it?

Originally posted by DarkC
I think you missed Tenshou Kaireki Jin, although I am not sure that is 100% canon.

it doesn't matter cloud could cut the steel too. http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU

Originally posted by DarkC
You also forgot the parry-counter as well.

game mechanic

Originally posted by DarkC
He can only do this when having taking a large amount of damage, both supported in the game and in the movie. It’s a limit break, after all.

to think he uses braver without taking a lot of damage when he fought sephiroth...

http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU

look at 3:08

MadMel Heh

just on the limit break damage thing...cloud has shown to use nearly all of his limit breaks without any damage

he used blade beam in the forrest
braver on the bahumut
climhazard on the bahumut
something on kadaj (dunno which one)
braver on sephiroth
the only one where he did take damage was the omnislash

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier

in the end, if he wants to use any of his limit break was when his damage gauge is full. but if what you said is right, then it must be applied to omnislash too.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Sado22
doesn't work 🙁
okay, so Kyo ko's a god with that bigass punch he did in KoF97 (possibly the mu-shiki). so is that "just a punch" or is it a special? why are you pretending that you don't see my point. what's the difference between the biggest swipe you ever took in your life and spanking your girl friend's ass while having sex? they are both your hands right? are they the same thing?
its more of a power feat actually. the only reason he could jump that high and that fast is because he's strong enough to do it. also we don't know how fast he actually came out of the watter. let me explain it this way: Rocky marciano used to go neck deep in it till and start throwing punches. the idea was to (read carefully) STRENGTHEN his arms so that they could he become faster. the afore mentioned thing would mean he's fast, but its actually a power feat. not a speed feat.
again its a POWER feat.
is there any proof of that? in the movie the moment he tossed the swords, time seemed to have frozen and seph had that orgasmic look on his face from then onwards all the way till the move finished.
cloud was phasing right through him IIRC.
proof? in-game mechanics don't prove squat.
if he pulls it off, then yeah he would oneshot cloud.
he was perfecting that move. in case you don't know, the kongoukokuretszan has been in the SFlore since the SFA series. that move he did to the island was the same. the action was the same, the stance was the same and the ki dissipation was also more or less the same.
yup
nope.
you already said stronger
again, you already said that.
yup.
not when fighting someone with a sword, he's not.
that has nothing to do with this. there is no saying whose more skilled really because they fight differently...akuma in h2h and cloud with a sword
excuse me? over all he has like 5 moves. hadouken, shoryuken, tatsumakisenpuukyayku, air hadouken (which is not really a NEW move but oh well), tenma kuujin kyaku, that flip over thing which i cant remember the name of with the follow ups. that's as far as basic moves go. then he has 4 specials and finally 3 killers: SGS, misogi and kongoukokuretsuzan.
as opposed to cloud who has six swords with him, projectiles, levitation and the ability to teleport 6 ways in an instant.
~Sado

1. Well their is no difference for me when I have sex. 😉 And it functions the same way as a kick in speed and movement, it is a kick with ki, that is it.

2. That is stupid. He was able to in one leap do that, and yet he is somehow slow at running? It takes POWER in your legs to run quickly, the same way it takes POWER in his legs to do that leap. And like you said, it made him faster, so Gouki can move quickly by your own logic.

3. So if someone can run quickly while underwater, they cannot run quicker when not?

4. Because we clearly see he has to toss the sword to do it. 😐

5. No he wasn't. His swords were, and it sure as fvck was not a teleport.

6. It has only been shown in-game, so unless shown otherwise, it works the same as in-game, which is a teleport followed by a thunderous chop.

7. Which he would and could easily.

8. Can you prove that?

9. Yes. It has been provenl, Gouki can in one leap while carrying 70 tons underwater reach above the surface from 3,000 leagues in a short time, in terms of running he is clearly much faster.

10. Apparently you don't know much about strike force. It takes more than strength to have striking force, strength, speed, mass, and technique are all contributing factors.

11. Power refers to his power output, which Gouki has.

12. Nope, but at fighting in general he is. He is in a world with beings who can simulate a sword's strike with their bare hands.

13. Yeah it does, Gouki is more skilled in H2H than Cloud is with a sword. Matter of fact...Has Cloud ever actually HAD any sword training?

14. Which is more than Cloud who has some sword limits which are mostly just powerful slashes. 😬

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I'll answer some of it.
there's still no proof it's fast or not.
proof?
so, do you want to tell us that gouki would sunk that ship with just a punch? you know that kongou kokuretsuzan and tenshou kairiki jin are special, don't you?
that's a good point you have.
aside of ansatsuken, I didn't see any of other martial skill which gouki possesses. any example of it?
it doesn't matter cloud could cut the steel too. http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU
game mechanic
to think he uses braver without taking a lot of damage when he fought sephiroth...
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU
look at 3:08

1. ...YEah there is, the fact that in the vid seconds after it showed him, he was shown above the surface.

2. Logic proves this. Dur.

3. No shit, but all he really does is enhance his limbs with ki.

4. Gouki has refined his Ansatsuken art greatly beyond its original level, adding elements of several styles. Also, Gouki is clearly more skilled than Cloud.

5. So? He has never blown something as big as a submarine in half.

6. So because it is in gameplay, all of the sudden Gouki is not able to counter attacks?

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. ...YEah there is, the fact that in the vid seconds after it showed him, he was shown above the surface.
2. Logic proves this. Dur.
3. No shit, but all he really does is enhance his limbs with ki.
4. Gouki has refined his Ansatsuken art greatly beyond its original level, adding elements of several styles. Also, Gouki is clearly more skilled than Cloud.
5. So? He has never blown something as big as a submarine in half.
6. So because it is in gameplay, all of the sudden Gouki is not able to counter attacks?

1&2. 3000m/x sec. or maybe it's 150m since submarine's destination was at 150m.

3. then it's special. remember he screams "tenshou kaireki jin"?

4. such as what? I'm asking about example.

5. did you saw the video?

6. let's see if he could match cloud's speed without using specials. gouki maybe would match cloud with his special. but which one? his ordinary moves wasn't as fast as cloud.

Sado22 Restricted

Who's Gouki whoever he is cloud would kick the shit out of him

all remy's seem to have a connection 😄

1. Well their is no difference for me when I have sex. And it functions the same way as a kick in speed and movement, it is a kick with ki, that is it.

you psycho! how dare you punch around your girls during sex?! 😠
*calls the cops and gives them your address*

2. That is stupid. He was able to in one leap do that, and yet he is somehow slow at running? It takes POWER in your legs to run quickly, the same way it takes POWER in his legs to do that leap. And like you said, it made him faster, so Gouki can move quickly by your own logic.

that's what i'm saying. its more a POWER feat. not a speed feat. and yeah he'd run around faster than usual but the fact is we can't compare them since CLoud himself is damn fast and can jump pretty damn high. anyone say that jump he made agaisnt the bahamut. even before that stupid bit (the stupid bit when everyone was tossing him) he was going pretty high and still hadn't stopped so to speak.

3. So if someone can run quickly while underwater, they cannot run quicker when not?

. Because we clearly see he has to toss the sword to do it.

i know. i'm asking you how long did it take him. barely took a second or two. before tossing the sword he spun it around a couple of times. overall i think the move takes around 5 seconds--give or take 2.

5. No he wasn't. His swords were, and it sure as fvck was not a teleport.

i'll check that out again.

8. Can you prove that?

gouki said it was the ultimate technique in SF3..and IIRC he said something along the lines of perfecting the ultimate technique or something. and like i said, he's had the move since before SF3.

10. Apparently you don't know much about strike force. It takes more than strength to have striking force, strength, speed, mass, and technique are all contributing factors.

but its still more or less got to do with power right? twas my point.

12. Nope, but at fighting in general he is. He is in a world with beings who can simulate a sword's strike with their bare hands.

real sword>>virtual sword

13. Yeah it does, Gouki is more skilled in H2H than Cloud is with a sword. Matter of fact...Has Cloud ever actually HAD any sword training?

what does that mean? cloud goes on his way to beat Sefagroth twice in one-on-one tournament when Seph is supposed to be like THE swordsman in his unniverse. as opposed to gouki who either got pwned by anyone who was actually in his league (gen, gouken) or managed a stalemate (oro). and of course, we can't forget the ubercheapshot that he did to Bison either.

14. Which is more than Cloud who has some sword limits which are mostly just powerful slashes.

adding to that is his power, over all movement speed and the fact that the first tsurugi is not just some regular sword. try smacking down bahamut with one powerful slash if the next time you feel like underrating cloud so badly.

~Sado

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340.29m/s is the speed of sound...

Now to be 3000 leagues in the see and then travel to the surface with in 5min
(actually it was faster than that cuz the guy said somthin, the other dude responded and right after that the ship was in the air...WAY less then 5 min, but I'll just say 5)

16668 kilometers (equal to 3000 leagues) devided by 300 seconds (equal to 5 minutes) comes out to 55560m/s.

55560m/s>>>>>>>>Speed of sound
Akuma is WAAYYY Faster than Cloud.

That's pure true blue logic. Cloud can never hope to be that fast.