Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Nah, Gouki kicks him in half.
no. cloud would slash him to death.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which he never has done. Pyron has destroyed planets. Devoured countless galaxies in fact. Pyron was weakened to a mortal form. But was implied to still have planet busting power when he said sumthin along the lines of,"I can destroy this whole planet with but a thought."
and remember I never said orochi was stronger than pyron.
You said that Karin was Ken’s true rival, which is of course absurd; Ryu is Ken’s true rival, that’s easily established in every Street Fighter plot guide. Or probably just that one. Tiamat’s guide says that only their families are financial rivals. It doesn’t make them personal rivals, on the same level what Ryu means to Ken. You also said that Karin hates Sakura (which was false too).
Not so much as mistakes in the plots themselves, but what generally happens. For example, Gouki “not” sinking an island, Sephiroth’s reaction to Omnislash V5, how Cloud swats those bullets aside, the actual bullet speed. You even said you weren’t too clear on either series at the moment, which is fine, but then you imply that you remember it fine just now. It doesn’t make any sense. Do you really remember, or don’t you?
What, did they lecture on internet debates or something?
It’s still garbage; if you have a problem with me capitalizing ordinary words and telling you that they’re not meant to be offensive for the most part, then that’s entirely your problem. It’s not even significant, yet you make such a ridiculously big deal out of it.
No, you just claimed. You can claim it, and still act biased.
That’s because they’re two different actions.
No, it’s still remarkably naïve of you if you believe that to be “anger”. You weren’t insulting me there, you were pointing something out (which turned out to be completely null). Judging from the context of the post, does it make sense to you at all that I would express anger?
You’ve already made this mistake in the previous time we debated, you’re doing it again.
I remember that scene well, that was probably the best indication of Cloud’s speed and it WAS quite impressive. However, the part where you talked about with Loz and Yazoo shooting at him at close range didn’t last more than a few seconds before Cloud darted away. It was a lot more than just 5 feet too, otherwise he’d be in range to take a swing at one of them if he got the chance, and as you can see in the video he’s clearly out of melee range.
to be continued...
~Sado
Sado, with you….a LOT of things are “fanboyfanatic” rambling. The only example I can think of “fanboyish” rambling is shin_gear.
also keep shin-gear out of this. if it hadn't been for him people on KMC would still be saying ryu can solo the entire tekken cast cuz he can do hadouken.
i never accused you off fanboy rambling, nor have i accused anybody else unless it was a joke. the only person who i ever called a fanboy here was Shin-remy....which happens to be something you called him too. when someone starts telling me that ryu can go forward in bullettime and dodge the bullets i know he's spewing stuff from the wrong end.
This all over AGAIN? Seriously, Sado, you’re giving me major déjà vu here. This is so reminiscient of our previous debate that it’s almost…funny, for lack of a better term.
No, you’re acting just like Burning thought here. I’m doing the majority of the in-debate correcting here, Sado. Several times now you’ve had a misconception on facts that you stated that I have had to clarify. What grounds do you even have on making this ridiculous statement?
after that your posts are whining about my "temper jabs" at you. what remains in your posts which you delusionally dub "indepate corrections" are nitpicking at my choice of words or bringing corrections that are redundant.
-sado, cloud wasn't parrying the bullets he swatting them
-sado, seph wasn't ready for a counter he was preparing for a counter
or you take any joke, personally and throw yet another title at me.
that's our debate in a nutshell.
As usual, pass it off as a joke…You’re getting quite predictable, actually.
That’s essentially what you’re doing. You’re pretty much ignoring a lot of the things I say and simply dismissing it as cop out, often with no explanation why. That’s why I mock you for it.
Yes, and so….?
No, just like the last time you’re trying to pacify a non-existent temper.
It’s amusing, really, how you think you repeatedly fail to decipher what mood I’m in or how I am taking this. In short, you’re suggesting that you know me better than I know myself. Over the internet. A laughable notion, at best.
Nope, you’ve simply ignored quite a few points of mine by just dismissing them, period. And you’ve exaggerated my attitude to the point of ridiculousness where I appear to have anger management issues. Still quite childish.
Like I said, I’m not remotely angry. Why does it seem so hard for you to understand such a relatively simple thing?
Yes, yes, I called the point you were making sad, not you yourself. All of the above I called you, those were for certain things you were doing at the time. I’ve already provided reasoning for such.
I suppose it would be if it were completely unfounded. However, I have provided reasoning that you still have not yet argued against. And yet again, I have to remind you that I have no temper issues. Thanks.
It’s a figure of speech. Basically what I meant is how you have the nerve to bring something up, which makes you look like a hypocrite.
That was a different teleport.
Maybe not EXACTLY what was coming, but he would know for sure that Cloud would be going on the offensive. Only a fool would not realize that Cloud is charging an attack up, and Gouki would be prepared to teleport right through the Omnislash.
If the move had no charge up, then yeah it would probably be game over for Gouki. As it stands it’s pretty obvious that Cloud’s going to launch something big.
But it wasn’t used as a combat teleport. The next time we see him is on the edge of a cliff. It is also inconclusive as to where he teleported to in the first place, so it is far too general to be relied on as a source of how fast the Ashura really is.
It was definitely the Misogi. There were Youtube videos on showing how to counter it.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
when did i ever say that? ken's true rival? me?
gotta say it, bub, i seriously think you've got me mixed up with somebody else. or that i was drunk....which can't be cuz i don't drink.
I remember being quite surprised you’d get a fact like that wrong, and saying something along the lines of “I’m only a mediocre Street Fighter fan and even I know that Ken’s real rival is Ryu”.
Originally posted by Sado22
Gouki not sinking an island is an unconfirmed feat.
Originally posted by Sado22
Sephiroth's reaction to the omnislash was more or less the same as i said before. to me, him stnading with the sword ready and a confident "hmph" means that he had a counter up his sleeve.
Originally posted by Sado22
the actual bullet speed, its vague to begin with.
Originally posted by Sado22
its aint my problem. i was under the impression that you were pissed. 'twas all. and i didn't make a big deal out of it. you are the one who went into a namecalling routine just cuz i told you to chill.
Originally posted by Sado22
but nuff said, this is going circular and not being productive at all. if you weren't pissed, my bad.
no more finger pointing.
Originally posted by Sado22
you want to run that by me again? how am i biased if i'm sporting the guy i hate more than the guy i hate less?
Originally posted by Sado22
how about we say "cloud was [b]deflecting bullets" and call it a day. i'm getting tired of this nitpicking stuff on actions that regardless of the choice of words simply prove cloud's swordweilding prowess....which has been the point all along.[/b]
Originally posted by Sado22
this again...?
its not naive for me to assume you're being biased if (from what i could tell) you were getting angry. saying "stop being bloody biased" to me seems exasperation/anger/frustration. and exasperation happens to be the word you described yourself.
Originally posted by Sado22
to me there isn't much difference between frustration or anger or exasperation in a debate because they both are simply counterproductive....and practically synonomous in some respects and before you post some link explaining the difference between the words, i already said "in some respects".
Originally posted by Sado22
and don't bother giving me a lecture on the folly of assuming what you were going to do next either.
its redundant and only stretches out this debate.
Originally posted by Sado22
how about you actually stick to the debate instead of throwing words at me or directing your baseless criticism at me.
Originally posted by Sado22
enough of the redherrings, kiddo.
Originally posted by Sado22
i asked you for a simple thing: where did he say that. i didn't see it and i think i read all of his posts.
Originally posted by Sado22
also keep shin-gear out of this. if it hadn't been for him people on KMC would still be saying ryu can solo the entire tekken cast cuz he can do hadouken.
Originally posted by Sado22
i never accused you off fanboy rambling, nor have i accused anybody else unless it was a joke.
Originally posted by Sado22
what all over again? you're the guy whose going back to the whole temper thing after every other paragraph.
Congratulations, Mr. Perceptive.
Originally posted by Sado22
okay, DarkC, look over this whole debate all over again. most of the things you've used to claim that gouki would win i've gone indepth discussion with you and turns out that:
-you have no proof of most things you're saying
Originally posted by Sado22
-and the rest of your points are based on unconfirmed SFfolklore
Interesting also, how you seen to disregard the numerous times I’ve had to correct you on facts/figures pertaining to Cloud or Final Fantasy.
Originally posted by Sado22
-oh, and you have a bad habit of acting like you know how akuma thinks.
Someone starts charging up an attack. What do you expect Gouki to do, stand still?
The very idea that he would do anything other than avoiding it is enormously stupid.
Originally posted by Sado22
after that your posts are whining about my "temper jabs" at you.
Originally posted by Sado22
what remains in your posts which you delusionally dub "indepate corrections" are nitpicking at my choice of words or bringing corrections that are redundant.
-sado, cloud wasn't parrying the bullets he swatting them
Originally posted by Sado22
-sado, seph wasn't ready for a counter he was preparing for a counter
You’re saying before that he was ready for a counter, and also that its the same as preparing for a counter. I was correcting you on that.
Basically what you were saying before is that “ready for a counter” is the same as “readying for a counter”, which is of course ridiculous.
Now that we’ve cleared that up…
Originally posted by Sado22
or you take any joke, personally
Originally posted by Sado22
and throw yet another title at me.
I’ve already said more than once I don’t slap titles unless I have a reason to.
Originally posted by Sado22
the moment i saw you here i prepared myself for baseless accusations
What you’re doing right now is simply avoiding them entirely and sticking to your “it’s not my fault” mentality.
Originally posted by Sado22
shady knowledge
I’ve had to correct you MANY times now. You’ve even admitted to having less-than-satisfactory knowledge yourself before, not having seen FF:AC in years or playing SF in a while either.
Some of what I say is unconfirmed and etc…but it’s much better than stating “facts” that turn out to be false most of the time.
Originally posted by Sado22
and more of your i-take-myself-too-seriously charade.
Originally posted by Sado22
"essentially" i'm asking you for proof of what you're saying. and as this debate goes further, the more its clear that you have no proof of what you're saying.
It’s quite clear to me by now that you’re ignoring a lot of what I say in favor of attempting to jump randomly around and hoping to catch me somewhere, like here; even though I’ve shown that you’re quite wrong here you still persist for some odd reason.
It’s also evident that you’re getting a lot of relevant things wrong, such as the actual speed of the Ashura (which lore-wise is less like the slow-ass teleport shown in the games, and more like Violent Ken’s teleport from CvS2), occurrences and details from the FFAC movie.
You’re even leaping instantly to defend Cloud every time I describe one or more of Cloud’s actions, when most of them aren’t even derogatory whatsoever. For example, parrying/swatting, and you called me out on describing the scene that showed Cloud parrying debris in detail for no reason I could fathom.
Originally posted by Sado22
no matter what you do or say, DarkC, you're still the guy who accused me of saying "utter crap" when i told him that the paul ending of T4 he was talking about was actually non-canon. that hadn't changed a bit when i come here
Originally posted by Sado22
and i see you say "i laughed out loud and long at" some guy when he said that cloud would beat gouki. seems you come loaded with preconceptions when you get into a thread.
There’s no way in hell Cloud would beat Gouki. Gouki throws a few projectiles to keep Cloud defensive, then teleports in and springs a Shungokusatsu on Cloud.
How’s Cloud going to counter that?
Originally posted by Sado22
unless you're an idiot, what i said would make sense and i know you're not. ignorant of many things, a little green, easily irritable....but not an idiot.
stop wasting my time.
Such an elegant way to waste words.
Originally posted by Sado22
get over it.
You’re not making sense.
Originally posted by Sado22please. laughable is somebody coming around calling me biased and sad, even though he has no proof of what he's saying.
I’ve provided reasons for calling you those prior, which you seemed never to acknowledge properly, so far as I can tell, other than repeating your claims that I’m making “baseless” accusations.
Originally posted by Sado22
or calling me a bad debator and sinking down to redherrings at every chance he gets.
You’re actually a terrible debater compared to a lot of other people I see. You ignore important things I say (see above reply), you get things wrong, you resort to an enormous amount of logical fallacy and remarkably stupid debate tactics.
Originally posted by Sado22
and i'm not suggesting anything really. you're just bent out of shape over those jabs....which is also really sad.
Originally posted by Sado22
give an example and i'll address them right now.
Originally posted by Sado22
if you're not angry stop bringing it up every other paragraph. simple as that.
If you had been smart earlier you would have dropped it completely after you realized your assumption was a failure, and not attempt to slip in a final word as though it meant something.
Originally posted by Sado22
your reasons were baseless.
Originally posted by Sado22
get over it.
After I’ve proved you wrong about the nonsense anger issue, is this what’s left, a poorly thought out “get over it” as a rebuttal?
Originally posted by Sado22
you're no less a hypocrite. the last time we came across each other, you jumped in and accused me of flaming shin_remy, despite not knowing what was going on and even when i told you that shinremy was the one who started it all you still went ahead with your traditional redherrings.
Flaming is STILL flaming. It’s going to get you a ban still regardless of the childish “he started it!” garbage. Like I said about this time last year, I don’t need to know what’s going on in order to call you out on flaming…because hey, you said it yourself just now…it’s still flaming!
It doesn’t pertain to shin_remy at all….it simply pertains to you and your poor reactions. He did not provoke anything whatsoever in that thread, and you jump in and flame regardless.
Originally posted by Sado22
a few weeks later, i come to a thread and i see you calling shin_remy a fanboy (or something along those lines)
Originally posted by Sado22
and making fun of his threats that he's going to leave KMC.
I’m not a fan of get-go attention whores.
Originally posted by Sado22
blast for the past, eh?
Originally posted by Sado22
regardless, that's about as close as we get to coming up with a rough estimate of his speed. in game, itself its usually slow to medium fast.
Apparently lore-wise it’s instant, but I have yet to find a source that confirms this. It would make sense as to why he would have such a ridiculously slow teleport in the first place, is if Capcom toned it down in-game as they toned down Gouki entirely for the game.
Originally posted by Sado22
like i told you: i imagine gouki prepared for an attack. but do you honestly think he would see a sixway, phasing teleport coming which also happens to be instantaneous? something. yes. saying gouki'd see a 6way phasing move coming is debatable
Originally posted by Sado22
he teleported to china actually. we see him standing on the wall of china.
Originally posted by Sado22
i checked youtube and google. all i can find are CvsS2 pics and links. if you know the video, post it here or gimme the link. thanx.~Sado
You sure did in the previous debate we had. I remember being quite surprised you’d get a fact like that wrong, and saying something along the lines of “I’m only a mediocre Street Fighter fan and even I know that Ken’s real rival is Ryu”.
Which is what I’ve been saying…
No, he was not completely ready. He laughed a little at Cloud’s words, that’s pretty much it. Watch the video. He’s ALMOST ready, just not quite. You can very clearly see him try to adjust his grip a little and start to shift his stance, then Cloud springs the Omnislash on him. In the “frozen” camera shot of the ghost swords surrounding Sephiroth, it’s quite obvious from his posture, facial expression, and even the sound that he makes that he was not ready for a counter.
Statistically, you are correct here. However, we can visually see that the bullets travel slow enough to be seen in the movie.
And you were quite wrong. Hence, the alleged namecalling.
….wait, why are you saying this now if you said you hated them equally earlier?
Yes, I was exasperated….so?
Empty words, since your assumption was correct.
Okay, and why weren’t you thinking along these lines when you accused me of being angry?
This in conjunction of the post above made no sense.
The post I refer to by JustFrame is a reply to your first post in this thread, which is on the second page, which is why I assumed that you would remember it readily and/or locate it easily.
My mistake, I meant shin_remy. I assumed they were the same member.
Yes, because you keep replying to it and bringing it up, despite the fact that you’re very clearly wrong.
-you have no proof of most things you're saying
No, not unless you count Tiamat’s SF Plot Guide as “unconfirmed” SF folklore.
Interesting also, how you seen to disregard the numerous times I’ve had to correct you on facts/figures pertaining to Cloud or Final Fantasy.
Someone starts charging up an attack. What do you expect Gouki to do, stand still?
The very idea that he would do anything other than avoiding it is enormously stupid.
all those scenarios is that gouki would not be seeing a 6way phasing move coming and will not be able to counter it properly given the initial surprise of that move. this what i'm saying.
The fact that you’re seeing those posts as “whining” proves my point from before. You fail completely at reading emotions from text online.
to be continued
Parrying is standing still and holding the sword up, swatting them is swinging the sword itself. There IS a difference, Sado, and it IS relevant.
Which he was.
You’re saying before that he was ready for a counter, and also that its the same as preparing for a counter. I was correcting you on that.
Basically what you were saying before is that “ready for a counter” is the same as “readying for a counter”, which is of course ridiculous.
see what's wrong with your post?
You see, I’m not used to jokes being used in an actual debate. A lot of the time I don’t recognize one.
Yes, because you deserved/were acting like it.
I’ve already said more than once I don’t slap titles unless I have a reason to.
What you’re doing right now is simply avoiding them entirely and sticking to your “it’s not my fault” mentality.
Hahaha, look who’s talking.
I’ve had to correct you MANY times now. You’ve even admitted to having less-than-satisfactory knowledge yourself before, not having seen FF:AC in years or playing SF in a while either.
I take myself seriously in any debate, Sado, as do a lot of the more respected posters in KMC. Go into the real debates and have a look at any extended and debate, and by serious I don’t mean these shit VS forums (Games, Comics, Star Wars). In other words, General Discussion or Religion. Sports or music, at times.
It’s quite clear to me by now that you’re ignoring a lot of what I say in favor of attempting to jump randomly around and hoping to catch me somewhere, like here; even though I’ve shown that you’re quite wrong here you still persist for some odd reason.
It’s also evident that you’re getting a lot of relevant things wrong, such as the actual speed of the Ashura (which lore-wise is less like the slow-ass teleport shown in the games, and more like Violent Ken’s teleport from CvS2), occurrences and details from the FFAC movie.
Yes, I believe I said that. So?
There’s no way in hell Cloud would beat Gouki. Gouki throws a few projectiles to keep Cloud defensive, then teleports in and springs a Shungokusatsu on Cloud.
Ah, the typical “superior than thou” debate tactic.
Get over what, the fact that I’m not angry? You’re not making sense.
Lol, did you not read my previous posts or something?
You’re actually a terrible debater compared to a lot of other people I see. You ignore important things I say (see above reply), you get things wrong, you resort to an enormous amount of logical fallacy and remarkably stupid debate tactics. Read up.
Oh, not at all….this is just another strange delusion of yours that you’re getting under my skin.
If you had been smart earlier you would have dropped it completely after you realized your assumption was a failure, and not attempt to slip in a final word as though it meant something.
to be continued
No. Read where you listed all the tags that I’ve hit you with and I quoted all of them and acknowledged each one, in the post or the one before that before I replied.
see whats wrong with your reasoning? you are accusing me of all the things you're doing yourself. let me sum it up:
your calling me things based on my actions as you see them on your screen. the same way, i assumed you were angry based on your actions on my screen. its really pretty simple: we percieve things in a way.
After I’ve proved you wrong about the nonsense anger issue, is this what’s left, a poorly thought out “get over it” as a rebuttal?
You were wrong before and you’re still wrong.
Flaming is STILL flaming. It’s going to get you a ban still regardless of the childish “he started it!” garbage. Like I said about this time last year, I don’t need to know what’s going on in order to call you out on flaming…because hey, you said it yourself just now…it’s still flaming!
It doesn’t pertain to shin_remy at all….it simply pertains to you and your poor reactions. He did not provoke anything whatsoever in that thread, and you jump in and flame regardless.
That’s because he IS a fanboy, he and everyone else knows it.
In-game it’s stupidly slow. Apparently lore-wise it’s instant, but I have yet to find a source that confirms this. It would make sense as to why he would have such a ridiculously slow teleport in the first place, is if Capcom toned it down in-game as they toned down Gouki entirely for the game.
Does it matter? As soon as Cloud starts charging up, Gouki teleports randomly all over the place. How’s Cloud going to perform Omnislash on him then if he can’t home in on his target?
We can assume that it was a very great distance he was traveling then.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm pretty sure i never said that.
Then, instead of correcting yourself on the fact that Ryu was Ken’s main rival, you actually made an attempt to defend it; another example of your overzealousness. Even if you were clearly wrong you still couldn’t seem to admit to it.
Originally posted by Sado22
not until i pointed it out to you. and that never stopped you from using it as a feat for gouki....and specifically the sinking part.
According to the canon materia, the island “disappeared” after Gouki struck it. The only logical explanation would be that it sunk. What other ways are there for it to “disappear”? It’s still regarded as a strength/durability feat, and that’s why I use it. Is there a problem with this?
I correct you on some of your usage of Cloud feats because they’re not in the correct context. For example, your usage of Cloud’s sword wielding as a speed feat when it was actually a strength feat. As far as I’m concerned he cannot slice a mountain in two, or sink an island with one punch.
Originally posted by Sado22
nitpicking again.
I’ve repeatedly told you to watch the video on YouTube. It isn’t hard to find and you can quite clearly see what I’m talking about during the Omnislash.
Fact: Sephiroth was in the process of adjusting his grip to meet the Omnislash, indicating that he was PREPARING for the counter. He did not finish.
Fact: During the sequence when the blades spread out to surround Sephiroth in a “bullet time”-esque shot, you clearly see from his posture that he’s caught unprepared.
Here, to save you the trouble I’ll link you the video.
YouTube video
This isn’t nitpicking at all, Sado, it’s factually a case of you setting aside evidence/references I provide and continuing on with your arguments whilte completely ignoring mine. I’ve read the entirety of your post below as well, you’re continuing to plough wearily on with your own claims (which are just repeats anyway) without factual support.
Stop. Honestly.
Originally posted by Sado22
which could very well be because its CGI and fictional.
Originally posted by Sado22
throwing 6 titles at me in the course of a debate is namecalling, DC.
Originally posted by Sado22
pay attention 😬
Originally posted by Sado22
.......nevermind
Originally posted by Sado22
its empty words even though i already said its redundant?
Once again, great job on the perception there.
Originally posted by Sado22
i thought you were angry.
As you can see, I’m not the least bit personally offended by that ridiculous accusation either.
Originally posted by Sado22
differnet from saying "you're sad". that latter is flaming and rude.
By the way, calling someone “sad”, in this case, is not considered flaming.
Really, you shouldn’t be so darn sensitive.
Originally posted by Sado22
the former is an accusation of being angry and not flaming nor is it rude.
What it is really is forming an unsupported, hasty, naive assumption.
Not that much better, if you ask me.
Originally posted by Sado22
you're so predictable 😛
Originally posted by Sado22
technically, you haven't proven you aren't angry. if we actually have to really debate about this, i can use everything that i've said before as a valid proof considering that your rebuttal is simply me having to take your word for it that you're not angry. get the picture.
Since when did I have to rely on someone else to tell me how I’m feeling? Do you see the idiocy of your point here? The point is, it’s not my burden of proof to show you anything regarding my current state of mind. You don’t know better other than your own assumptions about how I’m feeling, so you HAVE to take my word for it. You’re just forming biased generalizations based on what you believe and what you see.
Stating otherwise, like I said, is assuming you know better about me and my emotions than myself. Over the internet, even.
As if this weren’t enough, you actually somehow have the audacity to demand proof for something as abstract as not being angry. There IS no proof. You can’t ask someone to prove they’re happy, sad, angry, jealous. It makes no sense, it can’t be done anyways.
You have failed. Get over it.
Originally posted by Sado22
and now, seriously, how about we never bring this up again. i'm getting tired of telling you get over it or having to tell you that it was a joke.
I’ve told you already. If you were smart you would have dropped the subject completely instead of doing something outrageous like above.
I’m not even sure where you pulled that idea from, haha.
Originally posted by Sado22
are you serious? off the top of my head:
let me list them:
-gouki seeing the omnislash coming
That’s the whole idea of fighting unknowns, Sado, there are certain ways to react to certain things. If Gouki were fighting some other unknown that was obviously charging up an attack (say…I dunno, Rayden from MK summoning his giant lightning bomb) what would you expect him to do, stand there and not do anything?
It’s all about avoidance.
I throw a rock at you, you duck.
I throw a boomerang at you, you duck.
I throw a hatchet at you, you duck.
I throw a Bowie knife at you, you duck.
See what I’m getting at here?
No matter whether Gouki knew exactly what the Omnislash consisted of or not, he’s still going to instinctively attempt to avoid it, and obviously it’s going to be much easier with his teleport.
Originally posted by Sado22
-gouki's ashura senkuu being faster than his onscreen teleport
No matter whether it’s instantaneous or just a intangible slow-ass teleport…he’d still avoid the Omnislash anyways.
Originally posted by Sado22
-gouki being able to sink islands
Originally posted by Sado22
-gouki doing gouhadouken and then following up with something else while cloud is parrying/swatting the gouhadoukens
Tell me….what would be YOUR first course of action, were you in Gouki’s position? Stupidly charge in?
Originally posted by Sado22
-gouki being more durable than steel
Remember, in 3 rd Strike he was standing on the ocean floor no problem where it required men in submarines to withstand that water pressure.
When the water turns black, the enormous water pressure is easily enough to crush someone into paste.
Originally posted by Sado22
-the bullets moving slower than real bullets
How’s this translate to “slower than real bullets”?
Originally posted by Sado22
-gouki's move being capable of killing anybody
Yes, it is quite capable of killing anybody who doesn’t counter it in time. It isn’t a physical move at all, he teleports them straight to Hell. Cloud is a bundle of emotion, despite being a good soul he wouldn’t be able to completely empty himself in spirit.
Gouki once said, “It is not my fist, but the sins of your past, that will destroy you.”
(Something along those lines)
Originally posted by Sado22
technically, i was the one who corrected most of the people here when they were insisting that hadouken would incinerate people. IIRC, you were one of them.
Originally posted by Sado22
you never really corrected me. correction would be telling someone that they are wrong
Originally posted by Sado22
when they say that gouki CAN sink islands.
For some reason you’re trying to an amendment to the modern day English definition of “correction”.
Originally posted by Sado22
nitpicking is telling them that its not a 5 feet away but more than that...even though IIRC i said about 5foot or that cloud wasn't swatting the bullet but parrying them or viceversa.
I believe you are simply overhyping Cloud.
Originally posted by Sado22
enormously stupid is getting into a fight with a sword weilding person with your barehands. that's enormously stupid.
Originally posted by Sado22
on top of that, gouki could decide to shoot him with projectiles too or just dodge the incoming attack and counter it with a punch/kick etc.
No, the rest of that suggestion is, to be blunt, stupid.
You’re armed with bare hands. Even if you know you’re insanely strong, do you let some guy with a huge wicked-looking broadsword get into slashing range? You’re making Gouki look like a complete idiot by even suggesting this.
Originally posted by Sado22
you see there are one of several things he could do at that time.
Originally posted by Sado22
i know what you're saying, and i agree that gouki would do "something". but since cloud is on the attack the likely things gouki would resort to are counterattacks or defense, both of which would be redundant cuz of omnislash bieng instantaneous.
That’s a little overdoing it, really.
Originally posted by Sado22
all those scenarios is that gouki would not be seeing a 6way phasing move coming and will not be able to counter it properly given the initial surprise of that move. this what i'm saying.
Originally posted by Sado22
here's a flipside: you aren't clear 😉
You on the other hand are forming wild theories left and right…some of which don’t even make sense. Practically, or logically.
Originally posted by Sado22
when you keep bringing up something, i'm going to see it as whining.
Pathetic, really.
Originally posted by Sado22
understand the context. the point was that he's damn fast. and all you did was really make an already strong point all the more powerful. nice job, Captain Debate salute
And as you can quite clearly see now…unlike you, I am unbiased.
Originally posted by Sado22
which really depends on your viewpoints and you are agian proving that you really are nitpicking and not seeing the point of things. concentrate on the "context"
It’s like your new shield or something, you’ve thrown away things even if I’ve referred to undeniable proof.
Originally posted by Sado22
its merely a choice of words. prepare and ready are synomomous really.
PreparED = ready.
Prepare = readyING.
It amazes me how I have to repeatedly correct you on something so simple as this.
Originally posted by Sado22
how do you know he wasn't ready? this is another one of your vague suggestions.
Originally posted by Sado22
you know that he was ready and not readying based on the fact that his sword was ready
Originally posted by Sado22
and he was standing there with a "come and get me" smrik on his face. but you being the empath that you are have seen through his face and know that he wasn't confident but was actually laughing at what cloud was saying.
He WAS laughing at Cloud was saying. The laugh itself does not automatically condone confidence, however.
Originally posted by Sado22
almost everything you've said is baseless and can be debated.
Originally posted by Sado22
see what's wrong with your post?
Originally posted by Sado22
fair enough. well, get used to it now. when i debate about videogames i don't take them seriously or turn them into some gladiator match because we're talking about people who don't freakin exist.
You’re again, not making any sense.
Originally posted by Sado22
now if you talk about theism or human tragedy and real things, i'd be serious.
Originally posted by Sado22
did i just read an "acting like it" in your reply?
i thought you were angry because i thought were acting like it.
you see, we all have our prespectives and viewpoints and how we see things. but here's a truce: lets both take the other's word for it. i'll admit that you're not angry and you admit that i'm not childish.
You’re wrong again. You’re taking childish and angry in the same boat and acting like they’re equivalent. However, They’re two entirely different things. Saying that someone’s childish can be backed up, an accusation that someone else is angry cannot. Anger’s a state of mind, childish is an expressed attitude.
I’ve shown you why you were acting childish. Get over it, instead of foolishly attempting to clutch at straws.
Originally posted by Sado22
that's like me saying that by saying you're not angry you're avoiding the accusation instead of addressing it
You have no backup other than my choice of diction and my periodic using of capitals. Yes, that totally makes me angry, right? What a joke, honestly. Thing is, I NEED no proof, mainly because you cannot prove me wrong.
Beauty of it, really.
Originally posted by Sado22
and i've proven that you don't have proof nor are aware despite following things more than me.
So I don’t have proof. Right.
Either you’re blustering on right now, or all the proof I just mentioned was, again, a B-52 sailing over your head. Yes, you have your proof…but so do I as well.
Neither option is good…but hey, take your pick.
Originally posted by Sado22
taking yourself too seriously in videogame forums is...a shame.
You’re resorting to trolling now.
I said that I take any debate seriously, no matter what the subject content is. Anything wrong with that?
Originally posted by Sado22
when you bring up things that actually matter, i'll be happy to concede or address them. as i have.
Originally posted by Sado22
as we stand though, you're only contenting yourself with redundant nitpicking.
You’re wildly casting this word left, right, and centre like some ten-year-old at a free for all snowball fight, hoping that sooner or later it might actually have some point. I’ve already addressed this, once, twice….three times now?
I think you just made yourself a new “Sado” debate meme.
Originally posted by Sado22
keyword there is "lorewise" which is uncomfirmed...and hence, useless. here you go again with your lore, instead of your facts.
Sorry, try again.
Originally posted by Sado22
cut the professor X charade.
Instead of a counter-strategy or any course of action for Cloud to the one for Gouki I had proposed beforehand….I get a ridiculous , poorly-thought out rebuttal. You just said that when I bring up things that actually matter (relevant to only the subject of the debate) you would be happy to concede or address them.
Then you do the exact opposite here?
You are just continuously making yourself look like a hypocrite, Sado. I don’t even have to do anything. You just do it yourself.
Originally posted by Sado22
better than namecalling.
Originally posted by Sado22
get over the fact that i said you're angry. if you're not, then you're not.
“Show me proof that you’re not angry”
Ludicrous, honestly.
Originally posted by Sado22
lol, i did. all i see is you acting like an empath again.
Originally posted by Sado22
redherrings are the biggest sin in debates 😆
Originally posted by Sado22
the rest of your post is just really talking about what you do yourself. you have shady knowledge, can't follow the context for nuts, act like you know how the character thinks and on top of that you confuse "lore" with facts.
I have unconfirmed knowledge in a few departments, correct. However, what about yours? How many times have I had to correct you, “nitpicking” or not? You’ve provided even fewer actual correct facts than I have.
I can’t follow context? You disregard support I say entirely and continue to rewind and repeat your own points. Remember, you were the one who thought I was downplaying Cloud or insulting him simply from describing visually and chronologically the scene where he was parrying debris while falling.
Yes, I act like I know how the character thinks. See the section near the end of this post.
Originally posted by Sado22but "your acting like it" 😆
See below.
Originally posted by Sado22
and yet everytime , i happen to be the one who tells you to get over it or move on or suggests that we drop it entirely.
You: “Get over it.”
Me: “...get over what?”
Then later:
You: “Okay, I think it’s time to drop it now.”
Me: “Then why did you just bring it up again?”
Originally posted by Sado22
...again, they were stupid. all you really are doing is this:
-sado, how dare you accuse me of being angry? you're sad.
-Dc, i thought you were angry cuz you were using caps.
-you're so childish!
-how?
-because you act like it. i never shoot labels at people without reasons.
-so what's your reason for calling me childish?
-because you act like it and assume you know me better than i know myself
-...okay, so right now you're calling me childish because that's how you think i'm acting based on my posts right?
-yeah
-so whats your problem when i say you're getting angry based on your posts? and even htough i'm telling you taht i'm not childish does that mean that you know me better than i know myself?
-because that's sad. and no i'm not saying that.
-why? and what are you saying?
You cast some ridiculous sidesnip at me attempting to patronize me for nothing.
My exact words:
“As usual, you start patronizing non-existent tempers...quite predictable, really.”
Nope, nothing like what you apparently thought I said. Nothing even remotely suggestive at being upset at all. Condescending, yes.
Like your last parody of conversation, this one was severely poor.
I’ve explained in one of my posts why I’ve called you all those. Narrow minded, childish, etc. You have not acknowledged it, and seem to be content with the thought of me saying “because you act like it” only. This alone proves how shortsighted you really are, if I’ve had to remind you this many times that they have reasoning behind them. The tags, that is.
Originally posted by Sado22
see whats wrong with your reasoning? you are accusing me of all the things you're doing yourself. let me sum it up:
your calling me things based on my actions as you see them on your screen. the same way, i assumed you were angry based on your actions on my screen. its really pretty simple: we percieve things in a way.
You accuse me of being angry because I used a few capitals now and then, and typed “My GOD”. In capitals, despite me telling you after it’s the way I normally type, as MSN Messenger does not change italics on the fly.
I accuse you of being childish for dragging on a debate where you’re clearly wrong and acting like you know exactly how I think even though I’ve said that no, I’m not angry. You’re acting like a child because you’re far too stubborn to give up on something that has already been settled, and defending a hasty action that proved to be a failure.
And then you tell me I’m angry again, seriously. At least you’ve conceded…but still insist on defending the foolishness of your action.
Originally posted by Sado22
you haven't proven me wrong because all i have to do is take your word for it that you're not angry.
Originally posted by Sado22
seriously, look up the word "prove" will ya. and while you're at it, look of "lore" and "facts"and yet, i'm not the one confusing lore with facts.
You see…..”fiction” is not generally regarded as “fact”.
Originally posted by Sado22
stop yelling.
Who’s yelling?
Originally posted by Sado22
and you're flaming me since the beginning of this thread. stop being so selfrighteous
Learn to tell the difference.
Originally posted by Sado22
man, you really do have a problem comprehending things don't you? i told you before, he started the flame war in another thread and it leaked up there because he took another jab at me.
Basically I saw you figuratively jump him and start flaming.
You even acquiesced to being wrong about it later in that debate, and told me to drop it.
Originally posted by Sado22
let me guess:
DC:it still doesn't justify you flaming people, sado
Sado: and yet, you're flaming me right now?
Learn to tell the difference.
Originally posted by Sado22
Sado: really? and flash forward a few weeks, and you're calling him the same things that i was?
Never once did I say that he wasn’t. He’s a fanboy, always was. He knows it. Everyone else does too.
Never once did I jump him and start outright flaming out of the blue as you did in that thread, however. You were quite vicious about it, and he wasn’t even defending himself. That’s why I stepped in.
Go into the Off Topic Forum, and make a thread bitching about something and threatening to leave. EVERYONE instantly hates you or acts completely apathetic. I don’t know how you don’t seem to understand this. No one likes attention whores, and Remy was being one at the time.
Originally posted by Sado22
DC: that's different?
Sado: how?
DC: because...because...because....
If but a thought.
Originally posted by Sado22
so now he IS a fanboy because DarkC deems it so?
. He’s a fanboy, always was. He knows it. Everyone else does too.
Originally posted by Sado22
lorewise? lorewise terry bogard beat a god...but you wont see me using that as an excuse.
Originally posted by Sado22
i would say that the teleport is fast, but not instantaneous. and, different or not, the only time we see him teleport it does somewhat support my claim as opposed to yours.
That’s quite fast, Sado.
And it would still allow him to avoid Omnislash, considering the intangibility factor that comes into play.
Originally posted by Sado22
you're not an empath.
and you don't know gouki.
I just have common sense.
Originally posted by Sado22
what you are saying could happen. and it couldn't. but because it can't be gauranteed, we can't use it as a fact, darkc. period.
Fact: Gouki has ranged attacks at his arsenal, and can use them easily and frequently.
Fact: Gouki can teleport. It’s his preferred method of completely avoiding attacks.
Fact: Cloud requires a degree of concentration and time to deflect said ranged attacks.
Fact: While Cloud is handling previously mentioned projectiles, he is open to attack.
Add two and two together, Sado. It’s not that difficult.
Like I said, common sense.