Gouki vs. Cloud

Originally posted by Terryc250
You mean this video?

YouTube video

The problem is, you're not really paying enough attention to it.. if you actually watch it, it says this is deep sea 3000 (the name of the submarine) then it says 150 metres, no it doesnt say 3000 leagues, no it doesn't say 3000 metres.

Can you show me where in that video it shows Gouki lifting the submarine? Because when I watch it, it shows him clearly standing ON of the submarine.

And the only feat here is destroying the SHIP, it doesn't show what happens to the submarine at all.

Jumping high underwater is not a feat because well.. anyone can jump high underwater lmao, think about it.

2. He wasn't standing on the Goddamn submarine at any point in the friggin video. He was standing on a sunken ship, and had to of carried the sub as he was in the middle of performing a kick while dragging it.

3. No, it tells you. "The radio is cut" I suppose kicking the ship cut the submarine's radio lines? And if it was the ship, the feat is only more impressive.

4. So anyone can jump 3,000 meters from the bottom of the ocean while dragging a submarine while in the process of kicking it in half?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. No, you are not. It says 150 meters, away from the destination, which is the sunken ship Gouki was standing on.

2. He wasn't standing on the Goddamn submarine at any point in the friggin video. He was standing on a sunken ship, and had to of carried the sub as he was in the middle of performing a kick while dragging it.

3. No, it tells you. "The radio is cut" I suppose kicking the ship cut the submarine's radio lines? And if it was the ship, the feat is only more impressive.

4. So anyone can jump 3,000 meters from the bottom of the ocean while dragging a submarine while in the process of kicking it in half?

Where are you getting that its 3000 metres? Deep Sea 3000 doesn't mean that its 3000 metres below the water, thats just the name of the submarine, there is no way to tell how deep or shallow the water actually is.

So.. "the radio has been cut" means that Gouki dragged the submarine? Even though you clearly see him out of the water with the submarine not "dragged" out with him..

Keep in mind that the material of a sunken ship that has been underwater for long periods of time aren't as strong as it was.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
did you just post THREE longass posts again, DarkC? with the first one being more or less what i told you to stop doing? 😕

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
there's still no proof it's fast or not.

Correction: When I said 1000m, it was a rather poor estimate of mine; it’s actually more like 150 to 200m. In the video you see of Gouki that I posted and that was reposted several times, you clearly see that there is not much light at all. Scientifically, light begins to disappear at that depth.

The surface ship lost contact with the submarine right after the submarine said something about a man being deep underwater. This means we can assume that they were destroyed. Also, seconds after Gouki blows out of the water with his tenshou kaireki jin and pieces of a sunken ship. This means he traveled 150-200m in that time, which is FAST.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
so, do you want to tell us that gouki would sunk that ship with just a punch? you know that kongou kokuretsuzan and tenshou kairiki jin are special, don't you?

I was comparing Gouki’s choice of using his fists, just as Cloud chooses to use his sword. They’re simply tools of the trade, nothing more, it’s the choice that the fighter makes on how he wants to fight.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
aside of ansatsuken, I didn't see any of other martial skill which gouki possesses. any example of it?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
it doesn't matter cloud could cut the steel too. http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU

In fact, I mentioned it several times throughout my debate with Sado

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
to think he uses braver without taking a lot of damage when he fought sephiroth...

http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oO2XREngVHU

look at 3:08

He can’t just pull it off against Gouki right off the bat, that’s simply nonsense.

Originally posted Terryc250
So.. "the radio has been cut" means that Gouki dragged the submarine? Even though you clearly see him out of the water with the submarine not "dragged" out with him..

Considering the submarine lost radio contact and was in relatively close proximity of Gouki when he pulled off the special, I assume it was destroyed.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Keep in mind that the material of a sunken ship that has been underwater for long periods of time aren't as strong as it was.

Cloud probably could, watch at 4:00 when Sephiroth drops the top of the building on him, and watch what he cuts through at 4:45, that isn't just breaking through the concrete, its clear cutting through it easier then a hot knife through butter, its not even Clouds special or anything, its just his normal attacking power.

YouTube video

Not every single one of Gouki's punches and kicks will be ship destroying kicks, Cloud will beable to take a hit just as Ryu is able to take a hit from Gouki, however, one hit by Cloud and Gouki will be decapitated.

this thread is still here? 🙄

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where are you getting that its 3000 metres? Deep Sea 3000 doesn't mean that its 3000 metres below the water, thats just the name of the submarine, there is no way to tell how deep or shallow the water actually is.

So.. "the radio has been cut" means that Gouki dragged the submarine? Even though you clearly see him out of the water with the submarine not "dragged" out with him..

Keep in mind that the material of a sunken ship that has been underwater for long periods of time aren't as strong as it was.

2. It means he destroyed the submarine and dragged it while destroying it.

3. Only it was not a sunken ship at all so your point is irrelevant. It was the submarine, all we see is chunks of metal.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Deep Sea 3,000 actually refers to the maximum amount of meters it can submerge, so it was 3,000 or less, but there was no light where Gouki was, so it has to be very deep.

2. It means he destroyed the submarine and dragged it while destroying it.

3. Only it was not a sunken ship at all so your point is irrelevant. It was the submarine, all we see is chunks of metal.

Where are you getting Deep Sea 3000 refers to the maximum amount it can submerge? Can you show me your proof please? Theres an airline called the Saab 2000, does that mean that airline can only fly 2000 metres in the air?

... He didn't drag it anywhere..

3. Only it was not a sunken ship at all so your point is irrelevant. It was the submarine, all we see is chunks of metal. [/B]

Uhh, looks like the sunken ship to me..

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Originally posted by DarkC
Problem?

Yes, there is. The surface ship lost contact with the submarine right after the submarine said something about a man being deep underwater. This means we can assume that they were destroyed. Also, seconds after Gouki blows out of the water with his tenshou kaireki jin and pieces of a sunken ship. This means he traveled 150-200m in that time, which is FAST.

That’s not what I said, at all. I was comparing Gouki’s choice of using his fists, just as Cloud chooses to use his sword. They’re simply tools of the trade, nothing more, it’s the choice that the fighter makes on how he wants to fight.

Ansatsuken IS his martial skill, he needs no other.

Even so, the way that Omnislash was used makes me think that there is SOMEthing that has to be done/fulfilled in order to allow him to pull it off. A lot of his Limit Breaks are based on his damage gauge and he did take a lot of damage in the fight against Sephiroth.

He can’t just pull it off against Gouki right off the bat, that’s simply nonsense.

not my quote.

piece of sunken ship? please... it's not. it's a piece of the ship at the water surface.

alright.

ok. so gouki has no other martial arts skill other than ansatsuken.

I told you before. cloud used braver while he wasn't damaged(fight bahamut sin and sephiroth). all limit break is the same. ingame, you need to fill your limit break gauge to max for any of the limit break. but in reality it isn't. so the same thing must be applied to omnislash too.

I can also said that gouki need to full his super gauge in order to release his DM/SDM. so, he too won't use his SDM/DM in the beginning of the fight.

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Originally posted by Sado22
baby

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So what if it was a sunken ship, that means this dude carried a sunken ship from the sea floor to several yards above the sea surface in a matter of moments. This feat shows Akuma is MUCH faster, MUCH stronger, and MUCH MORE durable. That feat right there has crushed every feat Cloud has ever done.

Cats tryin to refute that or downplay the feats only show how much haterade they be sippin on, or how much of a fanboy they are.

And EVERY TIME Akuma has went at Ryu, Akuma was never serious.

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And the circle keeps on rolling............ 😐

*attains nirvana and escapes the cycle of repitition*
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~The Attainer of Cosmic Consciousness Sado-sama

...I'm out of here.

*dissapeared in the middle of the mist

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
piece of sunken ship? please... it's not. it's a piece of the ship at the water surface.

He meant to destroy the ship in the first place with the technique, the submarine was simply unfortunate to get in the way.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
ok. so gouki has no other martial arts skill other than ansatsuken.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I told you before. cloud used braver while he wasn't damaged(fight bahamut sin and sephiroth). all limit break is the same. ingame, you need to fill your limit break gauge to max for any of the limit break. but in reality it isn't. so the same thing must be applied to omnislash too.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I can also said that gouki need to full his super gauge in order to release his DM/SDM. so, he too won't use his SDM/DM in the beginning of the fight.

He can canonically pull off a Shungokusatsu whenever he wants.

DM= desperation move
SDM= super desperation move

DM is the onelevel supers that you can pull off in SNK world. SDM is the stronger ones that take more than 50% of your life. its SNK fan terminology.

*goes back to the 8th level of consciousness*

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where are you getting Deep Sea 3000 refers to the maximum amount it can submerge? Can you show me your proof please? Theres an airline called the Saab 2000, does that mean that airline can only fly 2000 metres in the air?

... He didn't drag it anywhere..

Uhh, looks like the sunken ship to me..

2. Yeah he really did, he dragged it while kicking it. And even if it was a sunken ship, that really only makes the feat better.

3. It is metal. And most is obscured by water. So there is no basis to say it was the ship.

^ Where are you getting that he dragged the submarine? It shows only the ship, see the picture?