Gouki vs. Cloud

Originally posted by Sado22
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Dude, your post makes sense, but to ride it all off as fanboy service, is completely retarded. Case and Simple Point, Gouki's Power's are NOT overrated.

Lastly, the size of Gouki's island is only speculation on your part to trying to compare it with Jin's forest destroying with Devil. Because we do not know how far away of a view we are seeing from the island. Not to mention, we do not know how large that explosion is that took place within the island.

In fact, in Jin's destruction of the forest, we see an even smaller portion of it in comparison to Gouki's Island Destroying. So the comparison shouldn't even be there, considering, we don't know if Jin's destruction of the forest is only a few hundred yards for all we know about.

In comparison from the screenshots, Jin's forest does not rival Gouki's Island. In fact, Gouki's island itself would be large enough to contain a forest in itself, because Only sizeable islands, meaning good sized islands can obtain a mountain, which is clearly visible in Gouki's A2 ending.

Gouki's island is alot larger then you give credit for, and let's be serious here, I don't want to hear Jin and Gouki in the same notion, considering as much as I Like Jin as a playable character and storyline wise (Look at my name, JustFrame in honor of Jin's T4 JustFrameLaserScraper) it's just a complete joke that in order for Jin to wipe out a forest, Devil is in fact, in control. In fact, that whole Devil crap even for a person like me who loves Mishima's, is getting ridiculous and stupid.

However, the mere fact is simple, Gouki during A2 in his occurance of destroying his island, he was not utilizing his full power, in fact, there was probably only one-time in which Gouki would have "potentially" utilized his full potential, and that would have been up against Gen.

However, we all know by now that SFIII Gouki would be more superior to his A2 counterpart.

Gouki wiped out a ship, island, and mountain, while only training, so the sheer extent of Gouki's full power at his disposal is really still in speculation. Overrated...I have to disagree on this.

He'd still curb stomp Cloud as I stated so much earlier within this thread.

Dude, your post makes sense, but to ride it all off as fanboy service, is completely retarded. Case and Simple Point, Gouki's Power's are NOT overrated.

Lastly, the size of Gouki's island is only speculation on your part to trying to compare it with Jin's forest destroying with Devil.

Because we do not know how far away of a view we are seeing from the island. Not to mention, we do not know how large that explosion is that took place within the island.

In fact, in Jin's destruction of the forest, we see an even smaller portion of it in comparison to Gouki's Island Destroying. So the comparison shouldn't even be there, considering, we don't know if Jin's destruction of the forest is only a few hundred yards for all we know about.

In comparison from the screenshots, Jin's forest does not rival Gouki's Island. In fact, Gouki's island itself would be large enough to contain a forest in itself, because Only sizeable islands, meaning good sized islands can obtain a mountain, which is clearly visible in Gouki's A2 ending.

Gouki's island is alot larger then you give credit for

from this we can safely assume that the island was smaller than Ayres rock. i'd go so far as to say MUCH smaller, but i'm a nice guy so i'll just say smaller. do you understand?

and please, agian, bare in mind that ShinAkuma doesnt hold back when he trains. so he was definitely using his full power when he did the kongoukokuretsuzan in ayres rock ending.

However, the mere fact is simple, Gouki during A2 in his occurance of destroying his island, he was not utilizing his full power, in fact, there was probably only one-time in which Gouki would have "potentially" utilized his full potential, and that would have been up against Gen.

However, we all know by now that SFIII Gouki would be more superior to his A2 counterpart.

Gouki wiped out a ship, island, and mountain, while only training, so the sheer extent of Gouki's full power at his disposal is really still in speculation. Overrated...I have to disagree on this.

~Sado

-shin akuma does his strongest attack that only manages to crack ayres rock

take a look :

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sf3-2aku.htm

he did it without shin form. in shin form, he'll destroy a meteor.

.........kirikaze, akuma when training is SHINakuma. Shinakuma isn't another form of him. he IS shinakuma. and the only time he's been Shinakuma is when he's training or fighting other equaltiers like Gen etc.

haven't you been to my site? 😬

it's been a long time since I visited your site. I'm still waiting for the updates.

all I know is akuma hold back against anyone he fought and yes, his true form is shin akuma. more power, nasty aura, etc. you know what happened to the meteor in capcom fighting evolution when he smashed the meteors right? then if gen fought shin akuma, that old grandpa will be destroyed into little bits.

all I know is all this time akuma hold back against anyone he fought and yes, his true form is shin akuma. more power, nasty aura, etc. you know what happened to the meteor in capcom fighting evolution when he smashed the meteors right? then if gen fought shin akuma, that old grandpa will be destroyed into little bits.

and the evolution thing was non-canon. on top of that we just see him approach the thing. we don't see him destroy the thing on-screen.....IIRC.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
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Beating the Hulk, okay, probably pushing it, beating Jinpachi Mishima...are you kidding me, that's very, very possible and very realistic.

Jin's Forest was NOT MILES in distance, what are you talking about, from as far as you can see, that was a few hundred yards at the most. Lastly, when they say, destroys an entire forest, they can mean anything, the forest being a few hundred yards in length within that location, and Devil Jin wiping having that wiped out, could be a very, very big possibility.

The distance from the view of the forest is not miles, that's just ridiculous. Forest terrains vary from distance to distance, and in this case, it does not look equal to the island of Gouki's who's island would have been large enough to house a forest terrain, and mountains.

However, if you know geology, islands that can sustain a mountain have to be quite large in order to be able to have a mountainous terrain, because it would need a flat terrain as well, which would most likely house a forest in itself.

So therefore...Gouki's Island>>>>Jin's Forest Wiping, considering Gouki's feat of taking out the entire island itself is 10x more amazing then Jin burning up a forest.

On another note, that was absolutely not ShinGouki crippling that mountain into affect. Watch that 2nd Impact Ending again...in fact, I have it, here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A40sIVIF1Wg&feature=related

That is only Gouki doing his Kongou-kokuretsuzen onto the mountain, and he shows absolutely no indication of him in ShinGouki mode, this is only Gouki in training once again, unleashing this technique.

ShinGouki is very visible when his aura flames are ridiculously high and flaring outside of his body on a far greater scale then Gouki holding back with his flames.

Beating the Hulk, okay, probably pushing it

beating Jinpachi Mishima...are you kidding me, that's very, very possible and very realistic.

Jin's Forest was NOT MILES in distance, what are you talking about, from as far as you can see, that was a few hundred yards at the most.

t does not look equal to the island of Gouki's who's island would have been large enough to house a forest terrain, and mountains.

However, if you know geology, islands that can sustain a mountain have to be quite large in order to be able to have a mountainous terrain, because it would need a flat terrain as well, which would most likely house a forest in itself.

considering Gouki's feat of taking out the entire island itself is 10x more amazing then Jin burning up a forest.

On another note, that was absolutely not ShinGouki crippling that mountain into affect. Watch that 2nd Impact Ending again...in fact, I have it, here it is.

~Sado

look at the explosion that gouki's created:

....and the big, huge, enormous, gigantic island 🙄

not only is it small, but also shows how pathetic, crap and unrealistic capcom's drawing really is.

Originally posted by Sado22
....and the big, huge, enormous, gigantic island 🙄

not only is it small, but also shows how pathetic, crap and unrealistic capcom's drawing really is.

Obviously the art would be shitty during the graphical technicalities at the time of the game's release, but it does get the point across. How is it saying that the island is huge, gigantic, etc overrating it? You can very clearly see a mountain landscape in the background and where the explosion was, as well as the actual size, in relation to the island. Have you heard of any "small" island containing that kind of landscape, even remotely?

Simply put, you just proved JustFrame right by posting that picture; it IS a huge island.

Good job.

Originally posted by Sado22
i would now since i'm the one who brought to the SF'ers...while they were still telling me that ryu would vape the whole cast of tekken with his godly hadoukens.

tiny holes and not much of an explosion either. and these were the godly, incinerating shakuunetsu's too. and what's with aim? how can you miss an ass up ryu on the ground?

proof?

not one blow. more like all his power in that one punch because it happens to be his mightiest technique to date. and yes, since i'm so biased, i'm actually pointing out that akuma destroyed the island which according to you people is more impressive. god...i'm so biased.

finally.

and what do you suggest happened? he saw a mermaid in the water and decided to get head from fishgirl while the island just fell apart?
hello! big explosion! water being the only safe place from said explosion? had to avoid explosion? water? hello?

it was one punch. but it wasn't "just a punch". context, amigo, context.

a flurry of hadoukens that barely did any damage to the land. and you used to suggest how gouki could destroy the world if he wanted to by doing zankuu hadoukens or something along those lines. you remember right? that jinpachi/akuma thread where a certain someone insisted that gouki could also destroy the world if he wanted and i asked him to never say something so fanboyish again?

😐

~Sado

2. Maybe he was just trying to get Ryu ready to fight? It isn't within Gouki's character to sneak up and kill someone? And Ryu dodged them.

3. Gee, maybe the fact that Jin and Ryu have been taken out of commission by bullets and Gouki's Hadoukens>>>Bullets?

4. So he blew it up, totally annihilated it. Cool. And we just said he sunk it.

5. Or the island disappeared, which is what the game says happened.

6. Weird, I coulda sworn you JUST SAID it took him weeks to do.

7. Gouki could easily be a threat to the world if he wanted to. Who would stop him? Santa Claus? A resurrected JEsus?

8. He dodged them.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Who would stop him? Santa Claus?

That'd be one hell of a fight.

1. The only Ryu who has Hadoukens with that effect is Evil Ryu obviously.

2. Maybe he was just trying to get Ryu ready to fight? It isn't within Gouki's character to sneak up and kill someone? And Ryu dodged them.

3. Gee, maybe the fact that Jin and Ryu have been taken out of commission by bullets and Gouki's Hadoukens>>>Bullets?

4. So he blew it up, totally annihilated it. Cool. And we just said he sunk it.

6. Weird, I coulda sworn you JUST SAID it took him weeks to do.

7. Gouki could easily be a threat to the world if he wanted to[/quote]
how? he's going to do those wussy gouhadoukens from the sky which barely did any damage to the ground. you're not making any sense.

~Sado

Pathetic? Small?

You can very clearly see a mountain landscape in the background and where the explosion was, as well as the actual size, in relation to the island. Have you heard of any "small" island containing that kind of landscape, even remotely?

~Sado
P.S. and is darko still around or has he left for another 1 year long hiatus.

Originally posted by Sado22
here comes The Stretch...😐
notice the explosion that gouki's caused in the cave...and compare it to size of the island. pretty small.

The explosion in Gouki's cave, the one in the picture, that's very obviously just a picture or an animated picture, not a movie. Ryu wasn't even hit with the concussion wave yet, so I'm not sure why you're judging the size of the explosion immediately.

Originally posted by Sado22
what i've seen and not seen is irrelevant given the horribly unrealistic depiction of the island to begin with. the art is horrible, totally unrealistic and hence trying to judge the island's size based on unrealistic art is about as stupid and fanwanky as SF'ers can get.

Originally posted by Sado22
not really. by SF3, his hadoukens are still kickpowerful. and he's suppossed to be as skilled as Evil ryu. so no.

shungoukusatsu to M.Pvssy says otherwise. shungoukusatsu to Gill also says otherwise. seems he likes to sneak up to people and have them gangraped by demons while he shoves his beads up his own ass screaming Oro's name.

when was the last time you say someone in SF comeback with giant holes in his body after fighting gouki? you really seem to be incapable of understanding the idea of localized preasure. the reason why bullets peirce everyone's body is because they are tiny things that have high velocity. same reason why wonderwoman doesn't get torn in half by supes blows but still gets impaled by bullets. tiny things, LOT of force...equals penetration. you'd know 😄

you all went on and on about crushing and crumbling tectonic plates. psssssssst...you eve suggested that gouki could destroy the earth and wipe out all existence if he wanted to.

i was going by his source.

7. Gouki could easily be a threat to the world if he wanted to

~Sado [/QUOTE] 1. Lol. Because SF3 Ryu fights nonlethally, unlike Evil Ryu. It isn't hard to get, he was as powerful, but nonlethal.

2. ...Damn, you got me there, but Ryu was shown to dodge them regardless.

3. Okay dude first of all I don't like hearing a bunch of metaphors for your tiny penis, that's sick man. Maybe characters in SF have better durability than Tekken? And Gouki normally only fights people his level or people who know how to dodge. And those Hadoukens were explosive and penetrating at the same time. But seriously stop talking about your penis. Cloud will be fryed by a Hadouken.

4. I never said any such thing. 😐 And humor me, WHO WOULD STOP HIM?

5. And misread it at that.

6. Or he could knock down buildings with island sinking punches, kick them in half, and rain Gou Hadoukens from the sky at the people? 😐

Originally posted by Sado22
you sure? last time your "anti-sado crusade" ending with you leaving KMC for about a year.

"Anti-Sado?" Dude, that was never about you... You'll see in the message that that had more to do with Wandering Flame than it was about you, your actions in that thread just happened to be the last straw.

Not everything revolves around you Sado. And I thought you said to V2D that that was just you breaking my chops, or was that a lie?

Originally posted by Sado22
Sado[b]22, dumbass[/B]

Scemantics... how nice...

Originally posted by Sado22
back at ya really. i'm not the one throwing tantrums everytime someone disagrees with me. you want evidence: i've given them to you. you just refute then on account of blatant denial.

#1: I'm not throwing tantrums. but I am saddened that you care so much about fictional characters that your willing to throw dirt.
#2: You've never shown any actual evidence, all you've ever done, is try to discredit feats, which is, as they say, fanboyish.

Originally posted by Sado22
never said it was 4x4.

You agreed with Wandering flame when he said it.

Originally posted by Sado22
the forest you see behind in jin in his prologue. and the one in the intro of Tekken5DR. the one which the prologue states that he destroyed.

QUANTIFY IT! how big is it from those pics? I can't calc "As far as the eye can see" because it's different for each person...

Originally posted by Sado22
gouki's island didn't look that big in the pics either really. in fact, it was probably as big as the forest Jin destroyed. and that's me being nice.

*Shakes head* You've still not quantified it... 2 miles, 4 miles, 6... if you want me to, I can run a new set of calcs based on your optimum size, but the results arn't that much differe,t, considering that I still have to take into account the massive chunk of rock bitween ocean surface to ocean floor.

Originally posted by Sado22
which never stopped your from bringing it up and using it as a feat. on top of that, its all BS, because we don't know if he sank it. let alone shatter tectonic plates and all.

I NEVER used the tectonic thing as a feat, Trickster did. 2 you still havn't given me a logical reason as to why it didn't sink, or at least shatter, with the peices sinking, which brings in anotrher set of numbers into the Calc, if he's shattered the island, then it's going to actually add more megatonnes PIS to the punch (Not more than te tec plate shifting calc obvously, but another 20 to 40 megs to an already triple digit number is still pretty damn high.)

I can run this all day... but megatonne level punching power is still incredibly powerful, triple digits is is farking awsome...

Originally posted by Sado22
a) that's not really holier than thou
b) i said it didn't sink.
c) if it is destroyed, the island can still "disappear". infact, when we see ryu in the water, debris of the island is around him. which could be used to state that the island didn't sink after the tectonic plates shattered etc. but that it was destroyed.

a) If I dispute it, I'm a SFer ass kisser in your eyes...
b) and provided no alternative theory, there are only 3 ways to destroy an island that completely, #1: sink it, #2: Shatter it to peices and the peices sink, #3: take it out of this dimension. Which is it? and be reminded, the sinking one actually has the highest probability of being true, and ios actually the LEast powerful of the three choices.
c)See above, the island is GONE, it is no longer an island...

Originally posted by Sado22
or you're smoking things again and failing to see what i'm saying. do yourself a favor and look up "destroy".

Read above... your playing scemantics, look up the word "Disapeared", then cross refference that with the term destroy.

Originally posted by Sado22
no shit. the island was detroyed. what happens to a building loaded with C4, darko? does it go into a parralled dimension? no. does it *cough* crush the tectonic plates of the earth and *cough* sink into the ground? no. [b]it is destroyed. something that i've been saying. something that not only makes sense (as far akuma's overratedness is concerned) and something that is also supportable. as opposed to idiot fanwanked lore which come up with fanwanked calculations over fanwanked things that didn't happen.[/B]

You sir, are a renown bull$h!tter now, Yes, it does infact sink, Go watch footage of the WTC disaster, or any bomb detonation from inside the building, or any demolisions vid, and tell me just how much of those buildings remained topside of the pavement, I can garuntee you you'll have found that no more than 20% of the actual building stayed at street level when the dust settled, most of it is IN the ground, non on it.

Damn man, learn some basic physics...

Originally posted by Sado22
yes.

Then you sir, are nothing but a hater... I guess brain was right...

Originally posted by Sado22
used it against trickster, remy, remulous, and nother guys i can't remember. IIRC you used to be one of the SFer squad who always happened to be on the 2D side, regardless of how much he liked to think he was fair.

BZZZ wrong, We just happened to be on opposite sides, not because of the format, not because I thought it was fair, but because I beleive one character can beat another in a fight... Which is the purpose of this forum... Like I have said before, I debate characters, not formats, not complanies, but characters... I on't care that they are Street Fighter characters made by Capcom... if they where made by Namco and featured in Tekken or Soul Calibur and where 3d, I would support them there just the same, because I beleivce that they can win those fights...

You've basically assumed all this without ever even talking to me straight up about it, it's always been in a debate, and it's always been in situations like this, People don't even talk here anymore, it's all really big online fights... in that sense, I've probably got misconceptions about you to, but all I see onscreen is an attack on characters simply BECAUSE they are 2d fighters from Street Fighter made by Capcom. Seriously, if that is all it takes to hate on something...

Originally posted by Sado22
when i came here we had the general concensus that 3D fighter have no hope against 2D fighters. that's changed now after tiresome debates with the SF'ers and trying to make them see that people who can smack around Jack robots and shatter them with their barehands can pretty much put up a fight at least against the godly SF'ers.

and for record, Dark-Jaxx is still going on with this babble on how the dolls>>jacks, despite having no proof and having no feats to back him up.

And thats my fault? You lumped me in with that crowd even though I was supporting 3D fighters long before you arrived?

Thats grattitude for ya... I was fighting that almost single handed for a long time...

Yet unlike you, I was FAIR, I never attacked the opposition the way your doing, I NEVER discredited facts...

Originally posted by Sado22
its definitely not 2 miles. and seriously, are you telling me that Jin was standing right at the end of the jungle so that the jungle just went behind him and not in front of him? are you seriously saying that?! you're full of it 😆
at least in ryu's ending we get to see the whole island in one full view and i said, as do most people, that i didn't look so big. big, just not as big as you seem to be suggesting it was.

No, I never said that, you once again have put words in my mouth... At best, Goukentou is probably only 6 miles from end to end, it's a small island, but thats still quite big for the feat involved.

Originally posted by Sado22
how about a deal: you shut up and take that back or i'll post all the links to the threads where i say the SF'er will win?

And I'll block it with just how many times you've gone against then, and I'll even find the ones that had stupid reasons.... Dare to compare?

Originally posted by Sado22
you mean the ryu and chunli thread? funny. i even said "terry bogard sucks" in his own respect thread. now if you weren't such a crybaby you'd have realized that it was a joke. seems like you losers really can't stop wetting yourselves over the SF'ers. turns out some idiots actually asked me to stop saying "terry bogard sucks" on his own thread and how it was so bad that was doing it...but they were dumb enough not to notice that I was the one who made that thread in the first place.
you guys need to get a life. talk about taking vg characters too seriously.

And Bisn, and Sagat, and Gouki, ect... ect...

Their is a time and place for jokes, but when someone starts wanting to go serious in a debating thread all you have to say is "get a life loser" and try to brush him off. apparently someone doesn't know when the joke tarts and finishes, it's a mark of maturity that hast't touched you yet...

Originally posted by Sado22
hmm...kinda like what you just did above.

Err, no, you actually claim I said things I've never said, I didn't actually put the 4x4 thing in your mouth perse. but you did get on the bandwagon with WF when he said it, and that makes you just as bad, if not worse in some respects.

Originally posted by Sado22
save it, mahatama.

Originally posted by Sado22
i'm not covering it up, foo. i've always said i hate Akuma. it aint even a secret. and i've always said that ryu and SF in general is overrated. and i hate how you idiots take it personally if someone says otherwise. i remember the good old days when Wandering Flame was being flamed and had his inbox spammed by hate PM's from idiots for saying that Jin beats ryu.

~Sado

And you think I had a part in that too, right?

Guess what? some people arn't so shallow, I was one of the few who said that it would be a close fight, I did say Ryu would win, because he has the higher probablility of winning, not because he's a SFer who can thow Ki around...

I wonder if we should all mass report Sado for the lulz to see what happens? Cause he sure does like to insult alot.