Gouki vs. Cloud

I wonder if we should all mass report Sado for the lulz to see what happens? Cause he sure does like to insult alot.

"Anti-Sado?" Dude, that was never about you... You'll see in the message that that had more to do with Wandering Flame than it was about you, your actions in that thread just happened to be the last straw.

Not everything revolves around you Sado. And I thought you said to V2D that that was just you breaking my chops, or was that a lie?

#1: I'm not throwing tantrums.

but I am saddened that you care so much about fictional characters that your willing to throw dirt.

#2: You've never shown any actual evidence, all you've ever done, is try to discredit feats, which is, as they say, fanboyish.

You agreed with Wandering flame when he said it.

QUANTIFY IT! how big is it from those pics? I can't calc "As far as the eye can see" because it's different for each person...

I NEVER used the tectonic thing as a feat, Trickster did. 2 you still havn't given me a logical reason as to why it didn't sink, or at least shatter, with the peices sinking, which brings in anotrher set of numbers into the Calc, if he's shattered the island, then it's going to actually add more megatonnes PIS to the punch (Not more than te tec plate shifting calc obvously, but another 20 to 40 megs to an already triple digit number is still pretty damn high.)

b) and provided no alternative theory, there are only 3 ways to destroy an island that completely, #1: sink it, #2: Shatter it to peices and the peices sink, #3: take it out of this dimension. Which is it? and be reminded, the sinking one actually has the highest probability of being true, and ios actually the LEast powerful of the three choices.
c)See above, the island is GONE, it is no longer an island...

[quiote]Read above... your playing scemantics, look up the word "Disapeared", then cross refference that with the term destroy.[/quote]
how many times have SF endings given the wrong translations. its been that way since Final Fight. Capcom japan says one thing, Capcom US says something else. disappear probably is out of question given that we clearly see the pieces of the island falling around ryu in the ending itself.

You sir, are a renown bull$h!tter now, Yes, it does infact sink, Go watch footage of the WTC disaster, or any bomb detonation from inside the building, or any demolisions vid, and tell me just how much of those buildings remained topside of the pavement, I can garuntee you you'll have found that no more than 20% of the actual building stayed at street level when the dust settled, most of it is IN the ground, non on it.

You've basically assumed all this without ever even talking to me straight up about it, it's always been in a debate, and it's always been in situations like this, People don't even talk here anymore, it's all really big online fights... in that sense, I've probably got misconceptions about you to, but all I see onscreen is an attack on characters simply BECAUSE they are 2d fighters from Street Fighter made by Capcom. Seriously, if that is all it takes to hate on something...

Yet unlike you, I was FAIR, I never attacked the opposition the way your doing, I NEVER discredited facts.

it's a small island

And I'll block it with just how many times you've gone against then, and I'll even find the ones that had stupid reasons.... Dare to compare?

Their is a time and place for jokes, but when someone starts wanting to go serious in a debating thread all you have to say is "get a life loser" and try to brush him off. apparently someone doesn't know when the joke tarts and finishes, it's a mark of maturity that hast't touched you yet.

Err, no, you actually claim I said things I've never said, I didn't actually put the 4x4 thing in your mouth perse.

And you think I had a part in that too, right?

Guess what? some people arn't so shallow

I was one of the few who said that it would be a close fight, I did say Ryu would win, because he has the higher probablility of winning, not because he's a SFer who can thow Ki around...

for the record, i've been more civil to you on most of the occassions as opposed to you nor did i take your hissyfit rantings personally for the most part of it. when the dust settles, you've flamed, and sworn and lost your cool much more times than i have. and unlike you, i never resorted to personal life as an excuse either. even YOU know that much.
like the several times before: grow up, darko.

~Sado

. Lol. Because SF3 Ryu fights nonlethally, unlike Evil Ryu. It isn't hard to get, he was as powerful, but nonlethal.

2...Damn, you got me there, but Ryu was shown to dodge them regardless.

3. Okay dude first of all I don't like hearing a bunch of metaphors for your tiny penis, that's sick man.

And those Hadoukens were explosive and penetrating at the same time.

Cloud will be fryed by a Hadouken.

4. I never said any such thing.

And humor me, WHO WOULD STOP HIM?

6. Or he could knock down buildings with island sinking punches, kick them in half, and rain Gou Hadoukens from the sky at the people?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
fine, concede that.

true, but that's not saying a lot when he missed half of them anyway 😆

was talking about yours actually. but whatever.

what they do to the ground doesn't make it explosive. paul phoenix can smash walls but he can't punch a hole in somebody. get the picture.

but he did go through bahamut's fireball which was not only 10x big but even the smaller one did more damage to the city that all those hadoukens gouki did combined. even you know that's true.

liar 😠

Rey Mysterio 😄
do you really want me to answer that btw?

it doesn't look like akuma can do those island busters all the time. also if he sends those hadoukens "raining" down he'd miss most of them given how badly his aim sucks 😂
he's no threat to existence. if he was Osama would have had him work for alqaeda.

~Sado

2. Because it has a shotgun effect, he fires them en masse, it's not accurate, but it covers a wide area.

3. You weren't saying that last night.

4. They exploded upwards, wtf...And Paul could in fact punch a hole in a normal human. Gouki's Hadoukens burned through the ground.

5. But they did not have t3h piercing effect. And those are Gouki's weaker Hadoukens. And if a Hadouken won't, a Misogi sure as hell will.

6. No I'm not. 😐 I never claimed any bullshit about tectonic plates.

7. Yeah I do. There are only a few who can rival Gouki, Gen(who Gouki beat), Gill, Shin Bison(who doesn't exist anymore), and Oro, and I am pretty sure the reason Oro is training Ryu is cause Oro is no match for Gouki.

8. That punch is one of Gouki's basic moves. He has also shown strength to lift multiple tons at his base levels. He can send souls to hell with one move and can turn himself intangible to dodge any blows. And he can fire so many Hadoukens in one blast some will hit. Gouki could easily be a threat to the world since weaker people in SF have been.

2. Because it has a shotgun effect, he fires them en masse, it's not accurate, but it covers a wide area.

3. You weren't saying that last night.

4. They exploded upwards, wtf...And Paul could in fact punch a hole in a normal human. Gouki's Hadoukens burned through the ground.

5. But they did not have t3h piercing effect. And those are Gouki's weaker Hadoukens. And if a Hadouken won't, a Misogi sure as hell will.

6. No I'm not. I never claimed any bullshit about tectonic plates.

7. Yeah I do. There are only a few who can rival Gouki, Gen(who Gouki beat), Gill, Shin Bison(who doesn't exist anymore), and Oro, and I am pretty sure the reason Oro is training Ryu is cause Oro is no match for Gouki.

8. That punch is one of Gouki's basic moves.

He has also shown strength to lift multiple tons at his base levels.

He can send souls to hell

can turn himself intangible to dodge any blows.

And he can fire so many Hadoukens in one blast some will hit.

Gouki could easily be a threat to the world since weaker people in SF have been.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
....what the hell's the point of that when he can't hit the target man? it reminds me of Desperado, the part where quientin tarantino is telling the bartender the joke about the guy who bets that he can piss in a glass from where he was sitting:
"....so he concentrates. glass. here. dick. glass. dick. glass. and the he just explodes. shooosh...shooooosh.....shoooooooooooosh. he just lets unloads. and he's pissing all over the place. he's pissing on the customer, he pissing on the table, he's pissing on the drinks, on the bartenders. he pisses everwhere EXCEPT the ****ing glass."

didn't want to hurt you feelings 😄

that's how all explosions go really. doesn't make it so powerful if the crator itself was pretty small. you tell the strength of the explosion based on the crator. the crators gouki created with those little shits was pretty unimpressive. heck, Devil Jin in his possibly canon ending only had to spread his wings to wreck that whole place up. that shite was more impressive.

the ones gouki did were the shakuunetsu cuz they were flaming. the normal hadoukens of his are purple. so no.

oh...i thought you said you were never said he's a threat to humanity.

all of them happen to be from capcom i see 🙄
Devil
Devil Jin
Jinpachi
Orochi
Iori and Kyo together
etc. etc. etc.

we've had this discussion and you agreed that its his special art.

with the special art again.

not a feat, given that anyone who decides to learn ansatsuken karate inherits that.

so can cloud. and he can move 6 ways while doing in instantaneously.

you sure? cuz they all missed a lying facedown ryu.

Bison was only a threat to the world in SFA3 and that's cuz he was using the world to supply him with power. and that didn't stop him from being owned by everyone. heck, Charlie put up a fight against him. and he didn't tank squat and practically ran away from all the guys who fought him. heck sakura and ken fought him for a long time.
If SFA3 Bison who is on the same tier as ShinAkuma got pwned by 13 lowtiers who have no feats, then sure as hell Akuma aint no threat to the world. and once again, the island wasn't that big anyway.

~Sado

2. I faked my orgasm with you. 🙂

3. And Gouki only has to punch to destroy an island. Those Hadoukens went through solid earth much more than a bullet would, and Cloud is pwned by bullets when they hit. In fact one killed him in AC, but Aeris saved him.

4. Damn, you gots me there.

5. Well he is if he desired to be so.

6. ..........He is a threat to the Streetfighter World's existence you noob. 😐 Are we adding other verses to this now? Going by that Jinpachi wouldn't be a threat to shit, cause there are many characters in not only fiction, but even fighting games who would one shot Jinpachi and the entire Tekkenverse with the utmost of ease.

7. Yep. And is still a move he can easily use in battle.

8. That special art doesn't enhance how much he can lift.

9. No, anyone who can use the Satsui no Hadou can. Ryu and Ken can't use it.

10. In a special move(or "art" if you would prefer) and it takes a few seconds to initiate the attack.

11. Who is faster than any normal human.

12. SFA3 Bison is assumed to be in Gouki's league, but I in truth don't think he really is.

1. He can't hit a fast moving target like Ryu, no. And your example sucked, that's not a shotgun effect.

2. I faked my orgasm with you.

3. And Gouki only has to punch to destroy an island. Those Hadoukens went through solid earth much more than a bullet would, and Cloud is pwned by bullets when they hit. In fact one killed him in AC, but Aeris saved him.

4. Damn, you gots me there.

5. Well he is if he desired to be so.

6. ..........He is a threat to the Streetfighter World's existence you noob.

Going by that Jinpachi wouldn't be a threat to shit, cause there are many characters in not only fiction, but even fighting games who would one shot Jinpachi and the entire Tekkenverse with the utmost of ease.

8. That special art doesn't enhance how much he can lift.

9. No, anyone who can use the Satsui no Hadou can. Ryu and Ken can't use it.

10. In a special move(or "art" if you would prefer) and it takes a few seconds to initiate the attack.

11. Who is faster than any normal human.

12. SFA3 Bison is assumed to be in Gouki's league, but I in truth don't think he really is.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
3. And Gouki only has to punch to destroy an island. Those Hadoukens went through solid earth much more than a bullet would, and Cloud is pwned by bullets when they hit. In fact one killed him in AC, but Aeris saved him.

When was Cloud pwned by a bullet? It hurt him no doubt about that, but it didn't "pwn" him or kill him, it just pissed him off, he just turned around and ran at them, it was the explosion that supposedly killed him but failed, the Aeris bringing him back to life is just an assumption, and was never stated that she actually revived him.

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Tifa!!😍

Originally posted by Sado22
no, i said it reminds me of that piss thing. foo.

the only orgasm you could've faked would be up thine ass....and that only if there was a prostrate massager around 😆

it was earth dude. it wasn't even rock. rock>>earth

🙂

nah, i doubt it. sure he'd wreck up a small country. but not the whole world.

only in SFA3 cuz of the world supplying him that godly power via psychodrive, you n00b.

agreed. most of the guys from Darkstalkers can oneshot almost anyone....except me.

special arts are a different story man. they require more effort, more power and more focus. gouki can't keep on doing it indefinitely. 'twas all i'm tryin to say.

yeah my bad. i meant the ORIGINAL ansatsuken karate.

same with cloud really. it took him about 5 seconds to pull it off (i imagine darkC will randomly pop up and say it was 5.9 seconds and hence he's proven me wrong 😄 )

who? 😕

yeah probably. i think bison's a pvssy. atleast akuma aint as big a limpdick as bison was....but then again....if bison's a fagg0ty limpdick, pvssy and Akuma cheapshotted him............then what does that make akuma? 🙁

2. You're the catcher noob.

3. And it blew t3h Earth up. Cloud is easily pierced by bullets.

4. Well you're wrong. Who could stop a rampaging Shin Gouki in SF?

5. I was talking about Gouki.

6. Yep. Well not really, there are several verses more powerful than DS.

7. I know, but his lifting strength is not enhanced, only the striking power.

8. Yeah I know, I'm just a dick.

9. ...I know it's the same with Cloud.

10. Ryu is faster than the normal humans Gouki would be killing.

11. A super manly man who buys oranges from small kids.

1. Well it sucked.

2. You're the catcher noob.

3. And it blew t3h Earth up. Cloud is easily pierced by bullets.

4. Well you're wrong. Who could stop a rampaging Shin Gouki in SF?

5. I was talking about Gouki.

6. Yep. Well not really, there are several verses more powerful than DS.

7. I know, but his lifting strength is not enhanced, only the striking power.

8. Yeah I know, I'm just a dick.

10. Ryu is faster than the normal humans Gouki would be killing.

11. A super manly man who buys oranges from small kids.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
.......probably pushing it? probably?
oh dear god...

Tell me what Hulk would do up against Ashura Warps and the Shungokusatsu???? Even Hulk would get completely face palmed by the Shungokusatsu. Is it really that "illogical" to think that Hulk would lose?

You've got to kidding me, unless you have the complete control of demons, which Hulk does not, he would get owned by this single attack. Hulk has absolutely no defenses up against this.

Originally posted by Sado22
threat to all existence>>>gouki

IN THE TEKKEN WORLD ONLY...I'm sorry to say, but the Super Elites in Street Fighter make even Devil look like a pansy. Demi-God's, Goddesses that can time travel, Fighters with DBZ like abilities, etc, etc.

Originally posted by Sado22
...see his prologue pictures again. and see the one in T5DR again as well.

I have done the comparisons, and you over exaggerate, because from the pictures, it is not in multiple of miles, it's completely ridiculous to state such a thing, because from where the forest ends, it's only but a few hundred yards. You do not see small figures of tree stumps out in the distance do we?

All we see are trees torn up to a certain point, and to even remotely compare this to an Gouki's feat of wiping out an island is completely ludicrious.

Originally posted by Sado22
the island looked pretty small in the pic. which is more than proof enough that the island wasn't that big.

its funny. we all assume that the island is bigger than jin's forest based on zero proof and not looking at the prologues. the pic itself of the island looks much smaller than jin's forest. oh and when the hell did capcom become so realistic in their depictions of geography anyway? given that they don't even know that there are no human beings who have their feat half the size of their torso (SF4)

Yet you completely throw out the fact that I've told that in order for an island to sustain, remember, SUSTAIN a mountain terrain, it needs to be relatively large. Meaning, Gouki's island itself would have been miles in diameter, however as to how much is simply speculation, however no "small" island can house a mountain, that's impossible.

Island>>>>>Patch of Forest.

Originally posted by Sado22
funny. never said it wasn't impressive.

Yet, you try to argue that a forest burning is more amazing that completely removing an entire island from the face of the earth?

Originally posted by Sado22
for god's sake man. akuma is SHINAkuma. don't you people even read up on the your biblical SF's? shinakuma isn't another person. he's the same sonovabitch just not holding back anymore. and he's shinakuma when he's training. period.

~Sado

I know this well enough, in fact, I was posting up links to the SF Plot Guide, MONTHS AGO, and read the thing it was first released, and then people posting it up at srk.com years ago, so I know full well. However, you seem to not realize, that the reason I stated ShinGouki was simply so that people could differentiate from a Gouki holding back to a Gouki unleashing his full potential.

Case and point Sado, THAT WAS NOT SHIN GOUKI, meaning it wasn't a Gouki utilizing full potential, but a mere Gouki holding back just utilizing his Ultimate Attack. A Gouki holding back has complete access to ALL of his special attacks.

So considering that all of these super amazing feats was a Gouki holding back, in fact, if you remember from Street Fighter Alpha 2, Gouki fought Gen (Arguably and most likely the only time we know that Gouki would have utilized his full potential in the battle against Gen), and was injured, then after that, he was confronted by Ryu on his island, the two squared off, and yet after all of this Gouki was STILL able to wipe out his entire island.

Gouki>>>>Devil Jin, now seriously, get Devil Jin out of this thread, I'm sick of hearing you bringing him up in a vs thread that does NOT pertain to him.

To End, Gouki>>>>>Cloud.

Gouki is much faster (Has the ability to Ashura Warp which would put him leagues above Cloud in pure speed).

Gouki is far more durable (He has been seen in deep ocean waters, where crushing water pressures would crush a human to a pea size portion, while Cloud NEEDED a submarine to go deep underwater)

Gouki is far more stronger (He can destroy island, rip an entire ship to pieces, rip through mountains with his fist, Cloud does not even come remotely close to that capability)

Easy victory for Gouki.

I'll answer some of it.

IN THE TEKKEN WORLD ONLY...I'm sorry to say, but the Super Elites in Street Fighter make even Devil look like a pansy. Demi-God's, Goddesses that can time travel, Fighters with DBZ like abilities, etc, etc.

fanboy hachi shogun. DBZ abilities? since when gouki could destroy a planet, make a hole on a planet, speed of light, etc.

Yet, you try to argue that a forest burning is more amazing that completely removing an entire island from the face of the earth?

you mean forest wiper.

Gouki is much faster (Has the ability to Ashura Warp which would put him leagues above Cloud in pure speed).

if you think he would use asura senkuu anytime you have to think again. cloud moves faster anytime and could levitate especially when he execute an omni-slash v5. let's just say he'll use it anytime. so, when would he attack cloud if he do so? it will be a matter of time before cloud slash him everywhere and leaves gouki's forehead behind

Easy victory for Cloud.

fixed.

All we see are trees torn up to a certain point, and to even remotely compare this to an Gouki's feat of wiping out an island is completely ludicrious.

sinking an island while he can't crush an ayers rock into the dust. funny.

some nice ones there, Kirikaze 🙂

Tell me what Hulk would do up against Ashura Warps and the Shungokusatsu???? Even Hulk would get completely face palmed by the Shungokusatsu. Is it really that "illogical" to think that Hulk would lose?

You've got to kidding me, unless you have the complete control of demons, which Hulk does not, he would get owned by this single attack. Hulk has absolutely no defenses up against this.

IN THE TEKKEN WORLD ONLY

I'm sorry to say, but the Super Elites in Street Fighter make even Devil look like a pansy. Demi-God's, Goddesses that can time travel, Fighters with DBZ like abilities, etc, etc.

Ifrom where the forest ends, it's only but a few hundred yards. You do not see small figures of tree stumps out in the distance do we?

All we see are trees torn up to a certain point, and to even remotely compare this to an Gouki's feat of wiping out an island is completely ludicrious.

Yet you completely throw out the fact that I've told that in order for an island to sustain, remember, SUSTAIN a mountain terrain, it needs to be relatively large.

Meaning, Gouki's island itself would have been miles in diameter, however as to how much is simply speculation, however no "small" island can house a mountain, that's impossible.

Yet, you try to argue that a forest burning is more amazing

that completely removing an entire island from the face of the earth?

I know this well enough, in fact, I was posting up links to the SF Plot Guide, MONTHS AGO

Case and point Sado, THAT WAS NOT SHIN GOUKI

meaning it wasn't a Gouki utilizing full potential, but a mere Gouki holding back just utilizing his Ultimate Attack. A Gouki holding back has complete access to ALL of his special attacks.

So considering that all of these super amazing feats was a Gouki holding back, in fact, if you remember from Street Fighter Alpha 2, Gouki fought Gen (Arguably and most likely the only time we know that Gouki would have utilized his full potential in the battle against Gen), and was injured, then after that, he was confronted by Ryu on his island, the two squared off, and yet after all of this Gouki was STILL able to wipe out his entire island.

Gouki>>>>Devil Jin, now seriously, get Devil Jin out of this thread, I'm sick of hearing you bringing him up in a vs thread that does NOT pertain to him.

~Sado

Is this still about Akuma Vs Cloud? Cuz it seems to me that this thread is about trying to disproove Akuma's island busting...I hope not cuz that would be wetahded...

He still has Aeyers Rock splittin and Sub and Ship bustin feats and if you wanna get real noncanon, dude busted a earth destroyin meteor in Shin mode.

Ok, now, lets clear this up, I'm not doing the quote for quote thing right now, because that was getting ridiculous.

1st: I only made the tec plate shift calc AS a fanwanked version, that one was never meant to be taken seriously. And no matter how you cut it, island busting is what it is.

2nd: I have not flamed anyone 1st, thats Sado not wanting to look bad. Your civil? your joking around and acting like a hgeneral smart@$$, and your telling me to be civil? I seem to remember your unprovoked attacks on Remy...

3rd: When I left, it was intended to be permanently, the only reason I came back, was because of what V2D told me you said to him.

4th: even with all that said, you've still never countered any points I made...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

That's the boat Akuma broke!!!

Originally posted by Sado22
-Hulk and Gouki-

SGS Demons work in a far different fashion then what Hulk would be capable of defending against, if it was just "psychical" damage, then Hulk would most likely survive such a thing. However, the fact that they actually attack your past sins, which I'm afraid, Hulk has absolutely ZERO defensives up against, he would get owned by a SGS.

Case and point, what's there not to stop the Hulk from sitting their looking puzzled at what Gouki would do? Not to mention, Marvel has made 2039482390428390 versions of Hulk, however most likely we are dealing with Savage Hulk I'm assuming.

Originally posted by Sado22
akuma doesn't have control over the demons either. that's why SGS is clearly stated to be harmful even to the user. and like i said above: "hulk smash" pwns all the demons.

Considering, we know he has done it on 4 different occasions has to 4 different opponents, leaves everyone to believe that he has FULLY mastered the technique. SGS>>>>HULK.

Originally posted by Sado22
....about the dumbest rebuttal ever heard to date. akuma aint one in any universe

Try to keep it about the debate, I don't want any immature direct confrontations which your above statement seems to be leading at. Case and point, Gouki>>>>Devil Jin.

Originally posted by Sado22
yes, yes, we all know that.

As long as we both agree that SF Elites>>>>Tekken Elites, then we are finally getting somewhere.

Originally posted by Sado22
cuz he "destroyed the forest" and "woke up in the middle of it" 😬

A patch of forest does not = Island. Lastly, that forest does not show miles, but a few hundred yards, compare the two, very easy to assume which one is more beastly.

Originally posted by Sado22
not really since it was a wee island as i already proved

the explosion that gouki created and the size of the cave we can see as oppossed to the whole island says otherwise, bub. notice that the flames are coming out of the mouth of the cave and how notice how small the cave is in the ending itself. hence, island small.

Islands with mountains aren't small, period, you can try to refute that all you like, however, islands need to be miles in diameter to contain a mountain. So yes, you can believe in your illogical notion of a wee island, however I guess wee islands of miles in diameter are "smaller" then a forest patch right?

Originally posted by Sado22
unrealistic drawings says otherwise. and address above two points

Unrealistic drawing shows a mountain, which any person with knowledge of how islands are created would know, realize, that island with mountain = relatively large. Name me a "small" wee island that has a mountain terrain?

In fact, tell me where you got the miles in Jin's Forest Patch???

Lastly, your completely contradicting yourself now, in your earlier post, you said it's not as big as a city (which I agree), however you stated that it was still big...but now, your making it sound like it's even smaller then what you originally stated, so seriously, your not making any sense anymore?

Oh well, islands with mountains ='s relatively large anyhow, so their's really no disputing this simple fact.

Originally posted by Sado22
i never said that.

Quote- "the forest in jin's case however spread for miles behind him and we don't see the rest of it on the side or in front of jin".

Sounds like an exaggeration to try and make it "comparable" to what Gouki achieved.

Originally posted by Sado22
if you want to know what i honestly think: i think the island is still around. its only a part of it that's blown up. the island "disappearing" is probably halfassed translation error or some BS Capcom of USA cooked up since they've always done that since day one.

Please, don't try to write up anymore garbage, it was written within the JAPANESE VERSION AS WELL. Not just Capcom of USA, although they have made some hobo translations, Tiamat has made sure to post up the wrongs that Capcom of USA has done.

The island being destroyed after Gouki struck it down was from Capcom of Japan, NOT the USA, that is official by Capcom themselves (can you refute Capcom officially stating that Gouki's island went under? No, you cannot.), I urge you to read the canon guide again. 🙄

Originally posted by Sado22
really? i've been doing for 2 years.

Yet, if you would have read my statements clearly the first time without jumping to such an immature conclusion, you wouldn't of assumed such a thing the first time right? 😎

Originally posted by Sado22
that's you stating things that are not facts...as facts. of course it was him sicne we know that training gouki IS Shingouki.

How is it so illogical to notice that it isn't ShinGouki, first and foremost, ShinGouki has a very visible and respective persona when in his Full Potential Mode.

Watch the Video Again, their is ZERO evidence to show any signs of a Gouki utilizing his full potential form. When Shin Gouki goes full blown, his Aura is 10x greater then his norm, which is the clearest sign of him in Shin Gouki mode.

However, in this case, it is a small visible aura only, something that a Gouki holding back has been shown, time and time again. You "know" that it's Shin Gouki??? How? Proof? Because the screens disprove your "knowing".

The fact of the matter is that Gouki can train without having to go Shin Gouki mode makes absolute and perfect sense. Because he can still utilize all of his techniques without ever utilizing full potential anyhow, not to mention he took out his island while in norm Gouki mode, so doing this in normal Gouki is very, very logical.

So as to why that does not comprehend with you beats the heck out of me, considering the screens (pictures which you are so bent on to prove your point) disprove the "Shin Gouki" Theory with the Ultimate Technique.

Originally posted by Sado22
-we don't know when they fought
-based on his ending, it seems that he fought Ryu before fighting Gen, given that after fighting gen he was reminiscing about ryu

I remember reading something like that awhile ago, however, I might actually have to agree with you on this one.

Originally posted by Sado22
....i didn't bring him up, foo.

~Sado

I'm sorry, I hear you worshiping Devil all over the place, that it's getting sickening now. All I can say is this, that Gouki's achievements are obtained because of his pure training not because of some hobo Demon entity decided to possess him (I'm sorry, I find that to be the most boring thing about the Tekken Storyline, Jin was great until the whole Devil Jin garbage crap became the norm, and now it's Tekken 2 all over again for Tekken 6...LAME).

I can't say the same to Jin's achievement with the forest patch burning, the only Mishima who gets respect from me from a storyline perspective is Heihachi and Bob, because Bob beasted Jin around the events of Tekken 5, Muahaha (although gameplay wise from my tournament past, Jin for sure).

Gouki>>>>Cloud btw, I'll quote Kirikaze later, too tired, now, need to sleep.

akuma doesn't change into something else...that's just in-game so that we can tell the difference. even on tiamat's SF FAQ, he repeatedly states that akuma IS shinakuma. that they are the same person. the only time we can be sure that akuma is shinakuma is when he's training, like above. that's why i said that he was shinakuma and still wasn't able to destroy the ayres rock.

shinakuma is akuma. true. they aren't different people.

but you sure know shin akuma has a white hair, nastier aura and even his kanji on his back is different ('ten' -> 'kami'😉. but... : http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sf3-2aku.htm

I mean not only his symbol on his back but you can take a look at his symbol after he used kongou kokuretsuzan

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Meh. I think Gouki takes this, but I was bored.

hmm.. not if cloud gets to use materias, IMO