The kotor 2 triumvirate vs rots siddious

Originally posted by Gideon
No, I prefer Nebaris's attorney-esque attempts to cast doubt onto such statements;

Well, considering that you, and I quote, "would wager that [I'd] make a pretty decent lawyer," can I take this to mean that you give my doubt casting skills mad ratingz? (For future reference, kissing my ass on the constant when we're on good terms and then bitching about me when we're not only makes you look extremely idiotic, and I'd suggest having better control over your lips in the future for just that reason.)

"most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known" = based on the accumulated amount of time that Yoda had spent fighting it as opposed to innate strength. WTF?

All I said was that it was a factor that may have been taken into consideration, actually, which makes perfect sense.

For instance, let's pretend that there just magically happened to be someone with an even higher super genius level intellect than myself (impossible, I know, but let's just pretend for the sake of the analogy), and like me, would rigorously attack the position that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord there's ever been. Being more intelligent (and let's say more knowledgeable and experienced as well), he would be better equipped to attack the stance, but let's add another twist to the scenario. Let's say, after his very first debate on the matter, Darth Sexy, being the evil bastard he is, were to hunt him down, permanently disable his fingers, and thereby take away his ability to post on these forums ever again.

While being better equipped (and not necessarily by that much) to attack the stance, he would have only been able to do so for one debate, and one debate alone. In comparison to my years of debates of attacking the stance, as more gifted as he may have been, he simply wouldn't have been in a position to be as devastating to the position as myself, and thus, I would be better labelled the more devastatingly powerful foe [of the ridiculously stupid stance].

Yoda, having been a many-century old Jedi Master, and having fought against the dark side to such an extent that his victories over it were labelled a "legion," would simply be in a better position than say, a Jedi with the average human lifespan, to be more devastating to such an everlasting enemy. However, that doesn't deny the idea that there may have been Jedi before him (Hoth being a possible contender), who would have been better equipped, at a certain given time, at fighting against "the darkness," which is exactly why the quote proves nothing.

Please note that I'm not saying, definitively, that Yoda wasn't the most powerful Jedi up until that point in time (in fact, based on existing evidence, I would say that he is definitely the top contender), I'm just saying that the quote in question doesn't directly translate into that, and even then, as I was saying to Styles, there's still the question of the canonicity of the entire scene that frames the statement, which vastly differs from the movie's version of events.

"[the Galactic Emperor] succeeded where all others failed in taming the dark side" = To tame is to make weaker, ego Sidious made the dark side weaker. WTF?

No, that's not what I was saying at all (and I certainly wouldn't have ever misspelled "ergo"😉; what I was saying, was that "taming the dark side" could just as easily translate into toning down its destructive nature as it could dark side mastery (which is what you and Lightsnake were trying to definitively pass off the statement as at the time in question), and the burden of proof being on you and not me means that it was up to you to definitively prove such an interpretation wrong, and not up to me to do the opposite.

"Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history" = wrong, because it was said by a fallible third party.

No, I was saying that it wasn't necessarily right (there's a difference) because of that, which I'm exactly correct in saying.

"Ancient Sith pwnz all!!1!" = factual, because the fallible third party who mentioned it is not fallible, or if she is, she is somehow a superior source than the historical council of a galactic superpower with resources and investigative reach that tool the shit out of anything Traya has. The list goes on and on and on.

I can only assume that you've been out drinking, Gideon, because I haven't so much as even made a reference to that... ever.

Don't be fooled, younglings, simply declaring that a certain quote can be portrayed multiple ways without providing the basis of evidence does not cut it.

I provide the basis of evidence every single time; you can deny it all you want, but you're only lying to yourself Gideon. I mean honestly, you say the same thing virtually all the time, yet, and when I can be bothered, as soon as I copy and paste previous arguments that prove that you're lying out of your ass, you run off, only to be talking the same bullshit in another one of your rants. It's childish.

And no, given how the burden of proof has always been on you in these situations, it's not only fully up to you to provide these quotes, but it's also fully up to you to establish how they definitively fit the interpretation that your argument relies on.

You've never been able to do so, and you still quite clearly can't.

Sheesh get a life nebaris.

Kissing your ass? Nebaris, please, lmao. I'm the only one here with the barest hint of respect for your intelligence, in that I don't think you're totally retarded. Really, if it weren't for my constant vouches, no one would take you seriously here at all, given that you like to pretend that you come off as some sort of skilled debater, you ought to be praising me for what little credit I do give you.

Indeed... after all, it's common knowledge that any Ancient Sith can WTFROFLlolxDLmaoPWN Sidious in the space of 2 seconds ^^. Aside from Bane, who can simply fatally breathe on Sidious. Or pull a moon out of orbit to crush him.

Now then, Nebaris, you should really drop the 'Sidious is a weak moron' approach, because it fails. Every godamn time. I'd assume that those Antedivulians Gideon mentioned were another anti-Sidious, "Ancient Sith 4 life!!!111" fanclub. So for that reason, your "Traya, Sion, Nihilus WTFpwn Sidious' argument fails.

It's for that reason that you shouldn't tell me that I look like a fool when I rely on approved statements. You ignoring canon, fabricating evidence, refusing to accept facts makes YOU look like a fool. And it appears that everyone here agrees with me.

^ And i sure do agree with ya.

Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
Sidious had never displayed having the capacity to see events with such clarity- at least, not that far in the distant future- but it won't matter in a fight, and doesn't necessarily mean Traya > Palpatine.

but seeing as her only other impressive force feat, draining of three Jedi masters

who you CANNOT prove were trying to defend themselves,

Even if this were not the case, you would still need to prove that the acolytes killed by Sidious were defending themselves, which I asked both you and Gideon to do. If you haven't by now, I'm assuming you can't.

was more than matched by Sidious' lightning,

it still doesn't conclude that Traya > Sidious.

That's true... but remember, the orbalisks can possibly be cracked by a sufficient powerful lightsaber blow,

and seeing as Sidious was a percise and incredibly fast lightsaber combatant, you must not overlook the possibility that Sidious can strike him down.

As fast as Sidious is, he can't match that.

I'll admit that it'll be a VERY close match thanks to the orbalisks, but Sidious has, ultimately, a slightly better chance of winning.

Fisto, Kolar, and Tiin, however, were all proclaimed by the omniscent narrator to three of the best swordsmen in history, which makes them extremely formidable.

In AOTC, Obi-Wan managed to last against Dooku, an extremely impressive foe who we know has almost unrivaled skills with a saber, for a decent-lengthed time.

Now, Obi-Wan, a Jedi Knight with 1 year more of experience and power gainage was stated to be Kit Fisto's inferior.

And Sidious WTFpwned Kit Fisto while simultaneously fighting with Mace Windu. Bane, however, did not "WTFpwning" and was almost defeated by the battle meditation empowered-Raskta alone.

1) He was never "losing." There was a point where Zannah feared she was about to die, and Bane would likely follow when her opponent joined the trio that was attacking him.

2) At said point, when Bane was cut in the wrist (an injury that healed almost instantly), he got ticked off and hurled every single one of them at least a dozen meters apiece. Then, he decided to go kill Worror, who Johun saved with a Force-push.

In fact, Farfalla had to stockpile Force energy just to keep Bane from flattening Raskta. When she was thrown at a wall, Farfalla had to use all of his power to keep her from being crushed to a pulp, and she still managed to slam into it pretty hard.

I could say that Mace without shatterpoint could not have defeated Sidious, or things like that. It's those little advantages that are supposedly 'unfair' in combat... well, to be honest, I agree with you, it's stupid. But a matter of fact is- in terms of lightsaber skills excluding the orbalisks, Sidious is beyond Bane. And if he plays his cards right, he can kill Orbalisk Bane.

Sidious, incidentally, happens to be one of these characters.

Traya can't 'WTFpwn' Sidious with her drain just like Sidious can't 'WTFpwn' her with his lightning, because they were both extremely potent force wielders and can probably summon up defenses against that. And until you can prove that Traya > Sidious in the force, which goes against canon and feats, that point is moot.

But to be honest... why are we even debating this? Everyone knows Sidious gets WTFpwned. Maybe we should just stop getting off-topic.

Originally posted by Faunus
She did the same to at least a dozen Sith assassins at once.

When did she do that? I played the game twice already, and I don't recall her draining about a dozen Sith assassins. I could be wrong, of course, but really... where exactly did she do that?

Originally posted by Faunus
She knocked Vrook on his ass twice while arguing with them for at least a minute or two; they were clearly ready to do battle, and would likely be mounting their own Force defenses.

True; but those Sith Acoltyes knew Sidious. They KNEW his terrible rage, and in any case, their force defenses would likely be in use.

Originally posted by Faunus
Even if this were not the case, you would still need to prove that the acolytes killed by Sidious were defending themselves, which I asked both you and Gideon to do. If you haven't by now, I'm assuming you can't.

Just like you can't prove these people were trying to defend against Traya's force drain; this Prophets, powerful users of the dark side according to the Dark Side Sourcebook, would have precognition as an ability, in addition to intuition; it's most probable they were trying to defend against the lightning. Can I speculate about it? Yes. Can I absolutely prove it? No, just like you can't.

Originally posted by Faunus
Sidious disintegrated three beings once, a feat matched by Darth Bane, who also managed to char the drexl the riders were seated upon into a mess of burnt meat and bone. Traya fatally drained two opposing groups of Force-users (the three Jedi Masters and the larger group of Sith assassins). So no, Sidious' feat is not any more impresssive than hers, and vice-versa.

Darth Bane did, indeed, match that feat; but those Riders were not force sensitive and had absolutely no defenses. If so, I could compare it to Sidious' massacre of dozens of elite Stormtroopers at once.

Also, Darth Bane got his lightning deflected back to him by a practically dead, not particularly strong Jedi to almost fatal results. The Grand Master of the Jedi Order, the most powerful foe the dark side had ever known, could only barely fend off Sidious' attack. Do you see the difference?

Originally posted by Faunus
I'm not arguing that Sidious isn't, overall, a deadlier warrior than Traya, or that she's more powerful in combat-related areas.

Thank you. This is the only relevant thing in here, as this is a battle ^^.

And if you want to use outside of battle... well, the ritual used by Sidious in Sithisis was more impressive than anything Traya did. But it's irrevalant.

In a one-on-one fight between Sidious and Traya, he would absolutely destroy her in sabers. And would likely beat her in a force fight after a VERY close fight.

Originally posted by Faunus
No they can't. They had Darth Bane stumped, the "mountain of muscle" who was one of the strongest and most powerful Sith on record. This has been established: orbalisks, from the exterior, can not be penetrated by a lightsaber.

I've never ONCE denied that Bane is EXTREMELY powerful. He's a close second to ROTS Sidious, in my opinion, in terms of 'strongest Sith in history'. My mistake, in anyways...

Originally posted by Faunus
Again: Bane deflected four lightsabers swinging at his face, weapons wielded by Jedi who were currently being empowered by the battle meditation of a skilled Jedi Master. Unaided, Johun was capable of striking at speeds beyond which the ordinary eye can follow. Farfalla's no slouch himself, and Raskta was the greatest duelist in the Order.

Yes. Farfalla may be 'no slouch', but he's nothing extraordinary, either. Raskta was extremely powerful, but I don't think she's as strong as say, Kas'im in terms of saber skills. Yes, Bane deflected four lightsabers swinging at his chest; but remember... Dooku was capable of fending off General Grievous. Who had FOUR lightsabers. But he was overwhelmed by Anakin, who had ONE lightsaber. I won't argue that when you have more sabers, you can attack more, but not necessarily as quickly or with as much percision as you would have with a single saber.

And Sidious' speed still trumpts their speed; he's considered to be one of the strongest swordsmen in history (NG: Sidious is a 9. 9 = Highest level, very few people achieved it. Logically he's one of the best saber fighters in history), can move at INCREDIBLE speeds, attack with INCREDIBLE speed (Even in the movie, he's one of the few characters that we can really note as attacking with insane speed. Anakin and Yoda are the others, with Dooku being a possibility... and I'm referring to Sid vs. Yoda, not Sid vs. Mace), and can WTFpwn three of the best fighters in history in the space of 10 seconds.

Originally posted by Faunus
No he doesn't. While Palpatine's dueling skills are probably a notch above Bane's, there's no substantial difference. His acquired power and mastery exceeds that of Bane as well; again, it's not nearly enough of an advantage to grant him an easy win. So while being slightly superior to Bane overall, thanks to advanced age and experience, he still lacks the full suit of impenetrable body armor that Bane has, and that will make all the difference.

Inarguably true- Sidious is slightly above Bane in all categories, but Bane's armor gives him an edge in defense.

However, it's also a hindrance; if Sidious hits him with lightning, he's down. And using acrobatics, lightning, and speed strikes to the head can make all the difference in a fight.. although Sidious will hardly, HARDLY defeat him easily. As I've already stated previously, it'd be a tough fight.

Originally posted by Faunus
No, they were proclaimed so by Obi-Wan. Of the three, only Agen Kolar was given such praise from the narrator.

Kolar was given high praise, yeah. But Obi-Wan- someone who had access to the Jedi archives and the teachings of Yoda, a 900 year old Jedi Master, who likely have knowledge of previous Jedi fighters. I'm not saying that it's the inarguable canon, but it's definetly something to be highly considered. Just as much as Traya's "Tulak Hord rox" statement.

Originally posted by Faunus
Dooku was clearly toying with him throughout the battle.

Very much agreed, but the fact that Dooku didn't kill him very quickly- which he should've, knowing the circumstances- it's still impressive that Obi-Wan could fend him off for such a long time.

Originally posted by Faunus
Implied? Yes. Stated? No.

Implied- sufficient to be canon if nothing else trumps that. While I certainly agree with you that ROTS Obi-Wan >> Kit Fisto, his previous incarnation lost to Kit. Logically, Kit should give Dooku a 'fight'.

Originally posted by Faunus
1) He was never "losing." There was a point where Zannah feared she was about to die, and Bane would likely follow when her opponent joined the trio that was attacking him.

Raskta was overwhelming him with ferocious strikes to the face; he seemed to be losing... yes, he was close to losing. Would he, on fair ground, defeat Raskta? Yes.

And seeing as the people who were actually attacking Bane, other than Raskta, were probably not any higher- maybe even lower- than Kolar-level, did not get crushed by Bane like Sidious did to his multiple opponents... well, you get the point.

Originally posted by Faunus
2) At said point, when Bane was cut in the wrist (an injury that healed almost instantly), he got ticked off and hurled every single one of them at least a dozen meters apiece. Then, he decided to go kill Worror, who Johun saved with a Force-push.

Bane was insanely strong in the force, it's common knowledge. His force push was capable of pulverizing people. But it's still not enough to match Sidious' force feats.

Originally posted by Faunus
In fact, Farfalla had to stockpile Force energy just to keep Bane from flattening Raskta. When she was thrown at a wall, Farfalla had to use all of his power to keep her from being crushed to a pulp, and she still managed to slam into it pretty hard.

Bane's Force Push is his best power, but it was blocked by Kas'im, someone who had exceptional saber skills but hardly above ordinary force abilities.

Originally posted by Faunus
Possibly. But it's unlikely.

Not from what I've seen.

Originally posted by Faunus
As of RotS? No. Not from a combat standpoint, all things considered.

Sabers- In terms of pure skill and mastery, Sidious > Bane. Bane's Orbalisks, however, give him a definite advantage in defense, so unless Sidious is smart, he'll be hard-pressed to defeat Bane in a pure saber match. However, Bane won't be able to overcome him, either.

Force- As you've agreed, Sidious' power and established mastery is well beyond Bane's. He wins.

All Out- You get the point.

Originally posted by Faunus
Again, I never even suggested that could happen. Nihilus, however, is a different story.

Seeing as Nihilus' only single-target force drain FAILED miserably (but only due to the Exile's 'status', of course), it could be that his drain was ritualistic in nature, took a while to prepare, etc, etc. And other than the drain, Sidious can defeat Nihilus in any category.

Originally posted by Faunus
I'm disagreeing with a lot of the logic you're using. Clearly, our conclusions are the same, but we're getting there in different ways.

Of course. Maybe we should stop arguing- it's truly irrelevant, this whole argument, as we both know Sidious will get curbstomped ^^.

Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
Seeing as Nihilus' only single-target force drain FAILED miserably (but only due to the Exile's 'status', of course), it could be that his drain was ritualistic in nature, took a while to prepare, etc, etc. And other than the drain, Sidious can defeat Nihilus in any category.

Originally posted by Jbill311
You need to read what you write more carefully. His force drain was used IN COMBAT. The exile ignites the saber before the drain, then big N falls on the floor like he took a kick to his brass balls.

[in-game conjecture]A woman who also happens to mean the death of the force...
[/in-game conjecture]

^^^
thnx. Was in a public library as I typed.

Seeing as Nihilus' only single-target force drain FAILED miserably (but only due to the Exile's 'status', of course), it could be that his drain was ritualistic in nature, took a while to prepare, etc, etc. And other than the drain, Sidious can defeat Nihilus in any category.

I find it highly unlikely that Nihilus could prepare a massive ritual like that without a whole planet of Force sensitives and Jedi masters knowledge. And also Visas' account of what happened makes it seem that it was an instantaneous thing.

When did she do that? I played the game twice already, and I don't recall her draining about a dozen Sith assassins. I could be wrong, of course, but really... where exactly did she do that?

When she reaches the Trayus academy on Malachor she walks through about a dozen invisible Sith and they all just die without her even motioning.

Bane's Force Push is his best power, but it was blocked by Kas'im, someone who had exceptional saber skills but hardly above ordinary force abilities.

Kas'im was a trainer in the place where only the most powerful were allowed to train. There's a high probability that he was exeptionally powerful. Also, his ability to actually perform the block in question would indecate some small strength.

Bane was insanely strong in the force, it's common knowledge. His force push was capable of pulverizing people. But it's still not enough to match Sidious' force feats.

Such as?

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I find it highly unlikely that Nihilus could prepare a massive ritual like that without a whole planet of Force sensitives and Jedi masters knowledge. And also Visas' account of what happened makes it seem that it was an instantaneous thing.

Right then; see the following picture, alright?

The Jedi Conclave gathers. They debate, while Nihilus is preparing some massive ritual in space; then, he releases the ritual and it spreads across the planet, eliminating its inhabitants. That does not contradict anything stated about the massive drain.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
When she reaches the Trayus academy on Malachor she walks through about a dozen invisible Sith and they all just die without her even motioning.

I see... impressive. But they were unlikely to have any sorts of defenses, as they were invisible and did not think they could see her. It's impressive, regardless.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Kas'im was a trainer in the place where only the most powerful were allowed to train. There's a high probability that he was exeptionally powerful. Also, his ability to actually perform the block in question would indecate some small strength.

That's like me saying the Cin Drallig was an awesome user of force powers; just because someone was a skilled lightsaber instructor, it does NOT, NOT mean that their strength in the force is high. And seeing as absolutely nothing dictates his force skills to be anything above ordinary, we'll have to assume that's the case.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Such as?

Do I really need to state this over and over again?

Sidious' lightning- Was capable of reducing powerful force sensitives to ashes, destroy massive amounts of people at once, and almost overpower the strongest Jedi in history.

Bane's lightning- Could reduce non force-sensitives to ashes, and fill up a large room, when it is likely that the lightning's power was only minimal. Got deflected back to him by a practically dead Jedi.

Other than Bane's channeling of the massive attack, Sidious trumpts him in mastery, skill, and control, with his rituals, his lightning, and, most impressively of all (possibly), his very presence affecting the ENTIRE force and clouding the minds of the most powerful Jedi who lived literally next door to him. Yeah, unless you think Bane pulled a moon out of orbit... you see that he has NOTHING on Sidious in force powers.

But to be honest? This whole argument is made redunant by the plethora of quotes backing up Sidious as the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Yes, ROTS Sidious. Meaning ROTS Sidious is stronger than Bane. Meaning you can't argue that Bane is Sidious' superior. It's just stupid to argue against facts also backed up by evidence.

Right then; see the following picture, alright?

The Jedi Conclave gathers. They debate, while Nihilus is preparing some massive ritual in space; then, he releases the ritual and it spreads across the planet, eliminating its inhabitants. That does not contradict anything stated about the massive drain.

But it does contradict everything that we know (or thought we knew) about the precognitive powers of a Jedi. I'm pretty sure that the Jedi Masters would notice if a Sith of such magnitude (powerwise) were to just drop out of orbit and start making preparation for a huge ritual, especially considering that the Exile, Traya and Atris could all feel him half-a galaxy away.
Unless they knew and he just vastly overpowered them. In which case he really does rule.

And seeing as absolutely nothing dictates his force skills to be anything above ordinary, we'll have to assume that's the case.

The fact that he was capable of blocking the most powerful Force push in recorded Star Wars history shows that he is reasonably powerful.

Was capable of reducing powerful force sensitives to ashes,

He caught them by surprise, meaning that they had no defence, plus they were acolytes meaning that they probably didn't know jack about the usual Force methods, blocks etc

destroy massive amounts of people at once,

Try 80 defencless lackeys.

and almost overpower the strongest Jedi in history.

= an 850 yr old green turd that walks with a stick, is 1 foot tall, has arthritus, just felt his entire circle of friends killed and was surprised.

Plus its pretty clear that they drew.

Could reduce non force-sensitives to ashes,

And I suppose that force-sensitives are naturally made of rock are they?

and fill up a large room, when it is likely that the lightning's power was only minimal.

Actually it is likely that A) He only got stronger with time and

B) It was extremely potent as it almost made Githany ( a powerful sith ) Shit herself due to its power.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
But it does contradict everything that we know (or thought we knew) about the precognitive powers of a Jedi. I'm pretty sure that the Jedi Masters would notice if a Sith of such magnitude (powerwise) were to just drop out of orbit and start making preparation for a huge ritual, especially considering that the Exile, Traya and Atris could all feel him half-a galaxy away.
Unless they knew and he just vastly overpowered them. In which case he really does rule.

Nihilus was a so-called 'dark hole in the force'; like his master, Traya, it is extremely likely that he could use a technique called Force Cloak (I believe) to hide his presence. It's the same technique that Sidious used to a vastly more potent degree against the Jedi, allowing him to remain unnoticed and thus take over the galaxy.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
The fact that he was capable of blocking the most powerful Force push in recorded Star Wars history shows that he is reasonably powerful.

Is that necessarily the most powerful force push in Star Wars history? Although I'll admit it's very possible, the fact that the likes of Kas'im were capable of blocking it would simply mean that the likes of Sidious would be able to EASILY block it. Sidious >>> Kas'im in the force, it's simply undebetable.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
He caught them by surprise, meaning that they had no defence, plus they were acolytes meaning that they probably didn't know jack about the usual Force methods, blocks etc

They were users of Sith Alchemy, which, according to the DS Sourcebook, requires plenty of power to use. Force Barrier is a very basic force technique; people with a rather high degree of power should be capable of learning it.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Try 80 defencless lackeys.

They were genetically altered stormtroopers; the sheer capacity to decimate dozens of stormtroopers with a burst of force lightning is well beyond anything Bane displayed.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
= an 850 yr old green turd that walks with a stick, is 1 foot tall, has arthritus, just felt his entire circle of friends killed and was surprised.

Err... lol, he wasn't surprised. In the beginning, yes, he was surprised, but afterwards, he should have had knowledge of Sidious' force lightning; he should've been expecting a force attack from Sidious' side. And yeah, according to the ROTS novel- G-CANON, beyond any EU novel- is the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had EVER known. Which, incidentally, puts him WELL beyond a half-dead Worror. And we know what happened to Bane's lightning when it was met with Worror. We also know what happened to Sidious' lightning when it was met by a FAR more potent foe than Worror.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Plus its pretty clear that they drew.

Sidious beat Yoda. Is he stronger? No. They're equals, but Sidious has a natural advantage due to him being a smarter fighter and having a much more potent arsenal of offensive weapons.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
And I suppose that force-sensitives are naturally made of rock are they?

No, but unlike force-sensitives, non force-sensitives are COMPLETELY, as you said, defenseless against the power of lightning; of course, if they're physically tough enough- which is my point about the stormtroopers- they should be able to endure the lightning to some degree. Those riders had no defenses and weren't well-conditioned. Nice job, Bane.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Actually it is likely that A) He only got stronger with time and

B) It was extremely potent as it almost made Githany ( a powerful sith ) Shit herself due to its power.

Githany's a particularly powerful Sith? Since when? We all know that in Kaan's brotherhood, the only truly strong Sith were Bane and Kas'im. All others were Sith pretenders and wannabes. No, Githany isn't top-tier at all.

Yes, it got stronger with time; but in RoT, where Bane achieved his full potential, he tried to finally kill a Jedi with it... you know the results. Until you can refute the fact that Bane's lightning was deflected back to him by a half-dead Jedi while Sidious' lightning almost overpowered the greatest Jedi in history, it's a moot point.

And do you at least concede that Sidious would destroy either Traya, Sion, or Nihilus in sabers?

will it make a diffrence if its de siddious and not rots siddious?

Originally posted by Man of Christ
will it make a diffrence if its de siddious and not rots siddious?

Well? To be honest, DE Sidious should have a definite chance.

And Elite Hunter, ROTS Sidious could leap at them and obliterate them in sabers, too. But due to Nihilus and Traya each being almost as strong as him in the force, they will- together- curbstomp him in a force fight. I also think that Sion will die because he displayed little to no force abilities, and will be forced into lightsaber combat with ROTS Sidious, who is already described as a 'blur' and attacks and moves with extreme speed and viciousness. That's why I think he'll curbstomp Sion in a saberfight and will subsequently be destroyed by Nihilus and Traya in a force fight.

Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
Well? To be honest, DE Sidious should have a definite chance.

And Elite Hunter, ROTS Sidious could leap at them and obliterate them in sabers, too. But due to Nihilus and Traya each being almost as strong as him in the force, they will- together- curbstomp him in a force fight. I also think that Sion will die because he displayed little to no force abilities, and will be forced into lightsaber combat with ROTS Sidious, who is already described as a 'blur' and attacks and moves with extreme speed and viciousness. That's why I think he'll curbstomp Sion in a saberfight and will subsequently be destroyed by Nihilus and Traya in a force fight.

how did sion get to and fro? did he know how to pilot the harbinger or did he move it with the force?

Originally posted by Man of Christ
how did sion get to and fro? did he know how to pilot the harbinger or did he move it with the force?