Master Malygos Vs. Lich King

Originally posted by DarkC
How is it a blatant opinion? I assume and form opinions but I base them on FACT, unlike you like I have said. I have shown reasoning based upon FACT, from the books and the lore, and what has been shown thus far. I’ve referenced the books, the guides.

Besides…you’re one to talk, much of what you say is just nonsupported conclusions that “LK would stomp the aspects, LK is stronger than X, Scourge is stronger than Burning Legion”, etc, even when more than once I’ve proved you clearly wrong. You’re assuming yourself, you’re forming unfounded opinions yourself.

Like I have said, stop being such a hypocrite.

No, they wouldn’t be defenseless, they have coped with an invasion from the Burning Legion and the Scourge before and survived on their own after the razing.

Actually, I do, considering what has been done in the past.

Read my posts again. You’re still not getting it.

Exactly, he hasn’t even done anything. He has a hatred towards all life and seeks to exterminate and assimilate. Why hasn’t he done that already if he had power akin to Sargeras, who would have doomed the world had he stepped onto Azeroth with full and unfragmented command of his power.

Simple, he DOESN’T have the power to do so, otherwise he would have just done it already and laid waste to Azeroth near instantaneously.

Wrong. I base mine on fact. Yours?

“LK would stomp etc, etc”. Nothing else.
See the difference? I sure do.

I have shown you facts.
I have given you references, such as quotes directly taken from the books, or a referral to a section in the official lore.
You have not, with the exception of the WoW RPG. I have had to correct you many times.

Why are you calling me out on this? Does it make you feel better?
At least that would make some sense.

I will say it again, you’ve got some balls here, son.

If you don’t say it then I won’t retort to it anyways obviously, so I’m not even sure why you’re bothering to bring this up in the first place.

They’re not worthless, they’ve corrupted many and slaughtered many too.

You can continue to throw that at me, but you see, the ability to resurrect the dead to fight for you is only effective if:

A.) The necromancers channeling the undead are not killed.
B.) The Undead army are equal in number to, or greater than, the army they are opposing.
The Burning Legion can counter by just unleashing a horde of Fel Hounds at the Necromancers, and they already way outnumber the Scourge.

Neither factor is likely to exist indefinitely in a war.
In the case of Scourge vs Burning Legion, the Legion has far numbers than imaginable from the descriptions in lore I have seen.

Oh, and by the way, the Dreadlords can resurrect the dead too….go figure.

“It’s all assumption, it’s all assumption!”
Actually no, I am using facts, not making things up from scratch. I do have to assume, but I use facts to support them.

Prove otherwise. Show me where I’m making things up. Good luck with that.

Can’t seem to show you what facts? Which facts?
I have plenty of references that I have used.
If you doubt my use of the novels, go buy them and read them yourself.
If you doubt my use of the Warcraft III game manual, then dig it back out and read it yourself.

Here’s a few examples of proof that I have used:

Anyhow…where’s your official proof?

Youve not proved anything wrong, half of your quotes are infact quite irrelvent to the argument at hand half the time, as if what the dragons did to the burning legion has anything to do with our debate on mortal forces fighting the scourge for example, if your going to use irrelvent rubbish then i may as well quote a Halo fansite that says something about MC and call it proof for all my points.....

ALL my reasoning is based upon Fact as well.

They would be defenceless, its only the legions idiocy and assimondes foolery that stopped the Scourge from just wiping out the known world.

Your not understanding any of this, inlcuding your rubbish with Sarg and LK, you have no proof.

hey w8 a moment sport! how can you possibly know the entire plan of the LK? he may hate all life but perhaps he is simply waiting for a good reason, hell if he wanted the world he would have marched by now already and taken it by force, but hes waiting for something and we dont know what yet so ime not going to blindly assume like you.

No you dont see anything at all, I base the Lich King smashing all these beings because of the FACT he is one of the most powerful beingsi n the universe, the FACT he is all powerful, limitless in Necromancer power, his power is unfathomable...I can sure as hell fathom the Aspects puny powers...so if the lich Kings power is unfathomable, I best not even try and imagine the godlike power he would unleash (he is apprently also named Godlike in the WC 3 manuel or so WoWwiki says)

You have given a couple of opinions and irrevlent quotes

yes from descriptions youve seen, we dont actually know so cant assume if one out numers the other, considering how weak their forces are as they fall in battle theyve probably lost a chunk and will lose most in a real war againt real foes. And Necromancers dont channel undead, they summon them however, which doesnt take long at all.

Their not facts your supporting it with, at least no relevent facts, otherwise couldnt i just say ALL my arguments are supported by the fact LK has mind powers!111!!! zomg my points are now based on fact!! hurray, hell, look...an elf says the army goes out onto the Horizen, therefore its FACT the legion have billions of soldiers!! hurray!! thats the kind of fact your using...

First quote irrelvent to everytihng really so w/e

second quote you are wrong, thats not a direct quote from a book.....Lorderon was the main capital of the states of Man and the King was the most important. Compare Lorderon in size to Stormwind, Lorderon is massive capital sort of place.

Yes, that pantheon cr@p is perfect example of what a false fact is, you use that fact to apprently back up Sarg being the most powerful of the Pantheon? okie so now Darth vader being the leader of Palpatines armies on the flag ship is now more powerful than emperor Palpatine? no.....just no, and same with your rubbish, him being a Champion does not make him more powerful, Aman'thul the father and leader of the entire council is the main leader, he wouldnt suddenly become Champion of the council as well and leave it....

Originally posted by DarkC
Even though the Warcraft III game manual clearly states Sargeras as the champion of the Pantheon. Aman’Thul like I said, is incredibly powerful, but he’s a figurehead.
You’re arguing against confirmed lore in an official Blizzard product. You can’t win.

Yeah, that’s right…nobody knows, yet you somehow find it in you to say this:

And you know this^ how?

I have. Repeatedly.
I find it amusing how you keep lecturing me on baseless assumptions and opinions, when you’re pretty much the champion of both.

Where they’ve dealt with worse? Azeroth has faced much more destruction from the Legion.

The Scourge did not come close to wiping the entire world. The Burning Legion did.
The Scourge did not split the entire world in half.
The Scourge did not wipe the most populated race in the world at the time from the planet.
The Scourge did not invent Necromancy. The Legion did.
The Scourge did not destroy Dalaran. Archimonde did.
The Scourge did not have a leader so powerful as to instantly doom the world as soon as he stepped onto it.

The Legion have also been around for 10,000+ years. I’d be surprised if they DIDN’T have a screw up.
The Scourge….what, 20?

He’s not a fool. The Pantheon would have never been stupid enough to elect a fool as their Champion. He simply got outsmarted by someone more clever than he was.
Actually it was a few people, but still.

Wrong. Azshara wasn’t manipulating the portal at all. She was watching from a Highborne tower.
Like I said, you really need to read the books.

It was Sargeras who was mainly doing the work on the portal, with the help of the captured Demon Soul in hand. It was those energies he summoned from the Well that caused it to stress and ultimately collapse on itself.

Lordaeron was a major one and it was razed. However, that doesn’t even come close to eliminating the human empire, considering the other lineages and kingdoms there are. Quel’thalas was in a worse state, but their population wasn’t as badly struck as the humans, just their capital city half-torn down, a plagued region and a huge ugly scar across their forests.

Because either faction outnumbers the Scourge, according to the WoW RPG’s. Go check. It’s on Wowwiki.

Alliance have somewhere around 800,000.
Horde have somewhere around 400,000.

Yep, that sounds enough to stop 250,000 of Undead, if you ask me.

He has Frost Wyrms, they’re not dragons. They’re resurrected remnants of the remains of dragons. Frost Wyrms don’t even come close to fully matured real dragons.

Ever wonder why it’s called a BONEYARD? Yeah, me neither.

What about a combined army more than four times the size of the Icecream – sorry, Icecrown, army?

Yes I am, and what makes you say that he send a “few handfuls” of Scourge?

Why did he? Just to scout the enemy? Why didn’t he send ACTUAL scouts in if he wanted to do that.

Say what you like, the hard evidence points to an invasion.

Another example or the same one of a false fact of yours and bad evidence for what your saying, but ive already crushed this point....

RPG manuel seems to put her above everything in both level and power besides looking back, shes not even seen as touchable, Pantheon and Titans CAN die.

oh i have to keep lecturing you, or youll never learn.....

Much more destruction lol, theyve not been taken over tho, and knocked about with impunity, funny thing is the last time the undead weere stopped was as soon as the legion commander Archimonde came in.....lol...legion flips things over for even their own side and allies into losses.

The legion ended up tripping, destroyed, how did they come close at all?

Neither did the legion, seems you need a history lesson:

from:http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Sundering_of_the_World which is taking it from the official lore it leads you to.

The communal spell created an unstable vortex of power within the Well's turbulent depths

The ensuing battle between Malfurion and Azshara threw the Highborne's carefully crafted spellwork into chaos. The unstable vortex within the Well's depths exploded and ignited a catastrophic chain of events that would sunder the world forever. The massive explosion rocked the temple to its foundations and sent massive quakes ripping through the tortured earth. As the horrific battle between the Legion and the night elves' allies raged around and above the ruined capital city, the surging Well of Eternity buckled in upon itself and collapsed.

so you see......no Sarg at all, he was just waiting outside....Burning legion did nothing....

Erm, the Scourge pretty much knocked so many races into confusion at the time, its madness, the High evles didnt immeidaltey know what to do with themselves, they were lost, same with the humans as their kingdoms lay in ruin and they had no chance, even Dalaren was raided, the prime wizards killed.

Thanks to Lich Kings summon, basically, the lich King is a level 1000 Warlock and the 1000 level summon is Archimodne (well to be true the summoner was Kelthuzard so Medivs book gave Kelthuzard summon Archimonde +1 basically) Archimonde would have done nothing otherwise as he lay waiting outside for the scourge to knock Dalaren into nothing later in their dark crusade across the world, seriously the scourge was growing massively, that cannot be denied, the kingdoms fell before the scourge and the poisonous contagion the LK had put about was spreading as well.

Well thats because the Lich King cannot step into the world, hes already on it 😄

20? yeh, but how long have the legion battled against Azeroth? only every so oftne, their not constantly battling, infact that works against them, 10k years of experiance and battle? gainnig power? and they fail like children in the fact of the scourge which succeeds.

yeh a few people, a few humans.....Sarg is a joke....LK will never be outsmarted thats for sure.

nope, i think i annhialted your point like this earlier....it was the highborn.

It was basically, the small keeps and castles outside of Lorderon are not worth mentioning and regardless of what the scourge did, dont you think they "could" have done so if they tried? they were just passing through.

erm not really, now this...sorry its funy let me do one of yours HAHAHAHAHAHAHA there go.....ime not young enough in the head however to make me feel so much better but it had to be done, your counting the entire population together, of the alliances Dwarves, paladin organisations, humans, elves etc etc, the little children in the streets of the castle, the young King, the women.....the whole population of the Alliance and of several races as the forces that the Alliance will use in their 800k? lmao...

Same with the horde...you make me laugh....maybe theyll have a battle on their hands and the scourge will be wiped out on the "Orphans" day by the child and elderly population lmao.....

Look buddy, when you pull this rubbish its funny but dont do it too often, its a waste of time, the scourge 250k in icecrown alone will defeat the armies of the mortals, but hey, your right, maybe their entire population will get together, the old man who gets drunk at the bar will pull out his hidden Ashbringer and take on the Lich King and defeat him.....

Frost Wyrms are basically dragons, only they dont have half the weaknesses such as the obvious problems of being alive. Although hell, ime sure you have some evidence for "they are no match for a mature dragon"

Yeh, well wheres this army coming from lol?

Originally posted by DarkC
Not the present. Even in the present and at their reduced state they’re still more of a thorn in the side of everyone right now than the Lich King is.

What don’t I know about the Scourge?

Considering that I’ve actually had to correct you on a few Scourge things such as accomplishments, why are you even trying to raise that pathetic point?

Hypocrite.

Hahaha, bullshit.

You went on a rather juicy flame parade earlier, the comment involving something about pigeon feces, remember?

Like I said, you really need to work on your jokingly weak shit retorts. I may act up, but I don’t pretend that I treat someone else with dignity when I haven’t.

Hypocrite.

Of course not, nor did I ever say something like that. You’re attempting to put words in my mouth again. They have shadow magic in general, but Necromancy is their MAIN advantage.

If you deny THAT then you are contradicting yourself again.
Hypocrite.

Oh, that’s nice. D’you want me to give you a big, giant list of classes and abilities found in the Alliance and Horde? Just curious. Or the known demonic races in the Burning Legion?

“Movelist spam” means nothing.

Thats a difficult thing to do isnt it.....LK is doing nothing......

Youve corrected nothing so far hunnie...

that was a funny flame parade...

Sure, give me some Alliance characters, the Scourge has all of them most likely and more in undead forms. The burning legion are irrelvent, theyll all be dead before they start charging

Originally posted by DarkC
And just what did they accomplish that outshadows the accomplishments of the Legion? Be specific, provide references, otherwise I am going to simply assume you are making things up.

It’s an actual invasion, otherwise he would have sent real scouts in.

Spies, Shades.

Okay, you’re lecturing me on how to debate, and you’re the one pacifying?

…what?
You smell like hypocrite, son.

Because I laugh at your weak posts means I’m a 10 year old?

So every time you “lol” at my posts does that mean you’re a 10 year old too? Wow. Irrefutable logic there, huh?

Now ask yourself: “Do I really have the grounds to lecture someone else on debate skills?”

The correct answer is no, by the way.

Hmm, and you tell ME that I should read YOUR posts properly?

Like I said already, it was not one Necropoli, it was many. Naxxramas happened to be the main one.

I think I have good grounds here to tell you to read my posts properly. You still don’t seem to be doing so.

Please keep ranting on, it’s amusing. No, I do base my opinion upon facts, I have actually given you those facts and referenced them to the novels as well. You’re still denying that, I see.

You can perpetually keep saying that, but it will not make it any truer. But hey, if it makes you feel better, right? Knock yourself out.

The High Elves always had an obsession with magic, that’s why they separated from the Night Elves in the first place. Dath’Remar Sunstrider and his folk walked out. They were once Kaldorei too. Only now they’re much more obsessed with it. Because of their lust for mana, it makes them a completely different race? It doesn’t, it’s a bad habit. It changes absolutely nothing about the race.

I’m talking extinction as from killing off, not changing a race’s habits drastically. You’re either twisting the argument off course, or misunderstood me completely. I don’t know which is more likely.

Historically it is a nation according to the Tides of Darkness novel, so yes it is a kingdom. Nice try. I’m pretty sure they have it on the Wiki.

Stormwind wasn’t even included in Warcraft III to the best of my knowledge because they were too far away from Lordaeron to be affected. The entire human campaign revolved around Lordaeron because they were the ones being affected.

They’re Frost Wyrms. There’s a rather large difference.

No, Archimonde did as he pleased. Lich King let him, since the demon lord is older and wiser than he, and was trying to achieve the same goal as he was; extermination of all life. They are in no way truly interconnected at all.

They’re still quite enormous. The Scourge wiped out a huge chunk of the human population when they razed Lordaeron to rubble, but the human empire is still reasonably large and prospering.

Who are you trying to kid? They’re simply High Elves that are really pissed off and lust for mana. Oh, and they changed their racial title.

They’re still alive. The Scourge didn’t destroy the race, they decimated it, but made themselves a bitter enemy.

Basically conquer whatever they wished to conquer with little effort, growing their armies at the same time as well as eventually summoning Archimonde himself, simpy put, the scourge and mostly the LK reaching all the goals they set for themselves, what do the Legion do? oh yeh, trip up, get outsmarted and smacked in the face, now theyve lost what? Archimonde, Sarg, their main leader and a secondary leader.....great going...whats the LK lost? a few undead....a hanful? lol

spies and shades? whats the point, just send one of his Necropolis, may as well? he has hundreds of thousands of undead, he can throw a thousand away just for scouting if he so wished.

Yes you need to learn how to debate

Spamming "haha" is the sort of thing an angry and upset 10 year old would do when hes not getting his own way.

yes i do have the grounds because half of your hypocrisies you started, I simply joined to Mock you, you started hostility, so i did as well, you started with assumptions and rubbish, I followed with assumptions, you see theres one thing to know your assuming, but its another all together to say your assumptions are factual due to some evidence that is not actually relevent at all.

The High elves have become completly diffrent race, their not really high elves anymore, therefore their race is basically extinct, they have an overly strong lust for maigc due to their lack of the Sunwell.

yeh there is a big diffrence, their dead dragons then, feel better?

No Archimonde did as the LK plan was to bring him on the world, Archimonde is older, but not wiser thats for sure, you call being remains that decorate mount Hyjal wiser than a King free who outsmarted Kiljaeden (an intellectual greater than Archimonde) by getting free...if you do...then that prob makes sense and more evidence for the rest of your weak debating and lack of knowledge.

oh and what race did the legion completly destroy on Azeroth?

A post by sweet Riten, queen of the world

Arthas became one of the most powerful entities the world had ever known

Take note of following things revolving the official quote above:

- The the most powerful entities the world: Azeroth :Has seen at the point of time in lore that this is stated is the Aspects. That make, by official source, the statement that Lich King is roughly aspect level or narrowly below 😄

- Archimonde has been part of Azeroth, sighted therefore seen. This makes the statement stronger that Lich King is roughly Aspect level at strength. This noted due to the fact that official source say 'One of the most' and not that he is the most powerful. This automaticly place him below Archimonde's level. Being one of the most powerful ones therefore should have him considered Aspect level since I see: One of the most as top 5 but not 1 🙂

- Riten's conclusion: Lich King is Aspect level. Lich King however would fail to defeat Deathwing and Malygos in my personal opinion. I would consider him to be perhaps Alexstrasza, or maybe Ysera level 😛

Originally posted by DarkC
He was part of those who was in the final struggle with Sargeras. Don’t talk shit about a being you don’t know about. I’ll enlighten you, here’s how the fight went down:

Brox jumps off his mount and through the portal, hoping to buy some precious time for his comrades. He succeeds in managing to bar even a single demon from crossing the portal, then Sargeras himself arrives on the scene and owns Brox badly, but not before Brox manages to actually make a tiny scratch on Sargeras’ leg with his enchanted battleaxe. A piece of Kalimdor’s own magic.

Neltharion arrives on the scene and goes after the Demon Soul that was stolen from him, he manages to break it free from the protective matrix but gets blown miles away and badly injured because of it. The disc falls, Malfurion catches it and with his twin melds with it, attempting to reverse the spell. By now the final portal is almost strong enough to hold Sargeras. To help Malfurion accomplish his goal, Alexstrasza, one of her mates, and Ysera pour their combined power into Krasus as they hold off a horde of shadow bats. Krasus strikes out at the scratch Brox made using all their combined power, causing a slight irritation in the area and Sargeras to drop his concentration for a split second and allowing Malfurion to destroy the portal.

Now how is that “stupid”? More like unlucky.

I didn’t say I knew the Lich King’s fate. I said Nozdormu does. As the Steward of all Time, he knows how, when, and where everything is going to happen. Most of the time he doesn’t bother unless he knows that it involves him (such as the destruction of the Demon Soul) because it is not in the timeline.

Just as well, he knows exactly how he is going to die and in order to preserve the timeline he must follow through with it as well. If he chooses not to participate, it means that it doesn’t involve him. Period.

You may as well do it now, since I have provided numerous examples and citations to Warcraft resources.

Exactly, and I’ve been saying all along that the dragons react to real danger. Glad you agree. And since they have so far taken absolutely no serious action against the Lich King, what does that classify him as?

What are you even trying to prove here?

He didn’t, this was even before the Lich King merged with Arthas. The hell kind of question is that?

He said that with the mortal races to keep order, the world no longer needed a guardian. They just proved themselves by banding together to defeat the Scourge in Kalimdor.

if their already uncivil like you and Becci have slowly made it then me acting uncivilly is not impropper at all,
Hahahahaha, who was the first to start blatantly insulting, hmm?

If you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, if you can’t support your arguments properly, if your arguments are lacking, then we will call you out for them. It’s up to you how you take it. Judging on your idea of “civil” then you have a very poor misconception of the meaning of “civil” indeed.

To the best of my knowledge childish ten year old insults are not “civil”.
You have been outright ranting and flaming.
Becci and I have not.

You have absolutely no grounds at all to defend your enormous blunder here, attempting to use Becci and I as scapegoats isn’t going to help. At all, to be blunt.

Yeh jsut as I expected, Sarg is a fool and a dufus, some guy with a magic axe called Brox creates a scratch on Sargerus? lol..... its foolery, Sarg is a fool, regardless of the axes power even if it does hold the power of Elune it should not even get close to Sargarus.

Well exactley then, then his own death at LK hands is indeed a probable fight.

Classifies the Lich King as above most danger, their prob just cowering w8ting for his final punch into the world, but atm hes content in doing nothing apart from prob looking to the future.

YouTube video

a lot on Lich Kings plan in this video, how he knew about Arthas long before anything happened, how he knew a lot of this was going to happen and he planned it all along and whats more weve seen the outcome, we know he was right.

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this also shows Lich Kings future sight, Kelthuzard has said "he has seen this as well" and "his grand design" LK has designed all of this from the start....Archimonde was prob only summoned so he could die, one down, one to go...Kiljaedens next..

Becci was the first to turn this hostile, you continued it, since your new to the debate, your actions are what are to be influenced, your the one who started the uncivil tone in your section of the debate, i was happy from the beginning to debate nicely. But then Becci gets silly and annoyed "sigh" prob like you as well.

You have not been uncivil LMAO ftw

ALSO nice find Riten, a source that shows that he is one of hte most powerful the whole world has ever seen? incredible, Old Gods, Pantheon, Sargerus....blimey this LK is indeed powerful.

Originally posted by DarkC
Nope, I just happen to know when I’m being insulted and know that it’s immature, naïve, and also uncivil. Go figure.

Hahaha, and you used the RPGs as a reference, does that mean I have to buy them too? No, you never told me that. But see, unlike you, I don’t question everything I don’t like, or something that goes against my argument. What if I did call you out on them?

My point still stands, you cannot prove me wrong at all, and if you had bothered to do yourself a favour and buy said books (they’re an excellent read for any WoW fan) then you’ll see that I am right.

Dismissing it as “epic debate fail”, which by the way is painfully cliché and unoriginal, doesn’t exactly help you out you see. I am still not going to go through all the work of scanning and photoshopping simply just to prove a point.

“Omg your fail at debating lol”
Yeah, and I’m not the one accusing others of failing simply because their reference is non-electronic and not easily accessible. (Your use of the WoW RPG as a reference is just the same as me using the novels, hypocrite). If you want information, go bug Richard Knaak. Plague him with emails, if you can find it.

No offense, but because of the fact that you’re so stubborn as to not be able to admit that you’re wrong you’ve dug yourself into a ridiculously deep grave.

Do you want me to purchase a copy of the book online for you?
Reserve it in the public library, perhaps?

Even if a reference is not readily accessible (in your opinion), it still counts.
For example, let’s say I was writing an essay and I cited a hard to find encyclopedia found only in the University library, and guess what? It would still count, because it’s a published and trademarked document, and that’s what counts.

You need to learn a lesson in what counts as citation/references, and what doesn’t.

It is still proof. Plain and simple.

Oh, another one of my arguments taken out of context, how lovely.

They are TASKED as guardians, Neltharion is the MAIN guardian, however they are sloth to perform their duties when someone else is doing it for them (the mortal races.)

I shouldn’t have to keep reminding you, honestly.

Oh really? Show me word for word. Give me proof.

To be honest, I don’t need to humiliate you.
You’re doing an excellent job yourself. Refer to above posts.

Which were, by the way, incorrect. Good try.

Care to back that up for once, with something other than gibberish or useless trash talk such as:

Come to think of it, that’s probably the best response you’ve given. A sad commentary on your choice of retorts, anyhow.

With Deathwing gone and everyone else missing or asleep, it falls to her to protect innocents from being slain by her own brother, don’t you think? That’s HER job too.

Yes, because I’m sure that every mage running around on Azeroth are crazy, demented, completely and utterly obsessed with magic as to be consumed by it, and at least one of them is going to do something stupid like summon a big demon. Because, you see, he kind of wants to KILL them? Does the word “hostile” mean anything?

Once, again…go figure.

Nope. See above.

And also weaknesses. Holy magic is meant to work against undead. Priests, Paladins, of which there are plenty in the Alliance and even the Horde. They are also at a disadvantage when it comes to military strategy, unless it’s a Death Knight resurrected from an experienced officer leading them.

With some non-mortal help, they’ll give him a spot of trouble, and the Scourge are already outnumbered anyways.

Not at all, the only RPGs I have Utrigos could prob send S&L Horde&Ally compedium and MOM same way he did me.

I have every right to question your sources and your uses, because as ive seen quite clearly of your reading and logic skils (800k ally ftw, elderly too!) their much to be desired.

You fail on many levels from reading, describing, making random stories from so called facts that are irrelvent in the end....

No offence, but because your delusional and think your right even without real evidence or proof and bad claims for such and you have no real points to go by, youve already crawled into your grave that ive dug for you.....see what I did there?

Yeh its Alex job, just like protecting from the massive horde of undeath and a Godlike immortal.

Holy magic? their weakness to holy magic which can harm almost anyone anyway but besides this weakness does not make up for their various abilities such as not needing breathe, feeding, rest, fatigue, constantly moving and battling while their foes grow tired and weak, covering ground without needing to stop when they march for miles and miles....surviving their limbs cut off, or impalement due to the fact their already dead and at the same time, monstrous disease pouring out of them that infects others.....then, having those htey kill rise up next to them as more warriors, these advantages far outweigh the disadvanatges

Your a joke, you dont know anything about the scourge, again...DK and experianced officers? they dont need any of that, they can just concentrate on the battle ,do you realise that they prob have the greatest and most powerful tactition as their mind and will? the LK himself spurring them on, he is their global tactition and he is a master of it, afterall, who is a better tacticition than one who knows the possible outcomes?

Yeh outnumbered by civilions, how fearful.

Originally posted by DarkC
That sounds exactly something like Ysera would do, she has the power and capability to destroy minds or manipulate them easily because she is of the Dreaming. Mind attacks and games are her specialty.

Due to her close ties with Malygos I would be surprised if she had not taught him some defense against those matter of spells. Look at how some of her brood have become corrupted. I would also be surprised if Malygos did not have some kind of mental ward or protection active at all times.

I believe the spell I mentioned (which was not a breath spell, by the way) erased everything utterly, not simply just memories of spells or remnants of spells, but absolutely everything. Nothing escaped. Only because Malygos imparted a sizeable portion of his own essence and magic to the Demon Soul was Neltharion able to counter that spell.

Oh here we go again, your doing exactley what ime doing, which in this debate would have been fine on the first page, it would have been fine unless youve already said so yourself not to assume, with lal this "ill be suprised" cr@p which makes it even more of a fail tehir your doing something you dont like yourself.

you "believe?" well at least now among your broken arguments, irrelelvent so called proof and foolery i can add that you at least havesome faith.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
The reason I question its credability is due to the RPG books that your using are ancient and second, the story on that website is ancient ,just like how you downplay my FAQ, i can downplay the Blizzard site for old data that is not updated the very same way you discriminate against the official and latest site of Blizzard.

Warlock powers usually are tied in with shadow magic, which youve stated yourself and so has Becci is likely the LK has, so i played from that the fact if you think he has shadow then he has some Warlock powers. Also ive still not sure ive seen the piece where Kiljaeden takes away the warlock powers, you may have shown it to me and if you have please point it out again. Who would know? how can anyone know if he is entering their mind, Malygos could be flying and then suddenly BAM the LK before Malygos even knows whats hit him has ripped into the Dragons mind, it wouldnt know its even being taken over its not omnicient, we all know LK can take over minds and quickly too so I think its your place to show someone who cant defend themselves from it, the LK could simply try again if he does not succeed but imo i think the Lich King woudl overpower the mind field due to my opinion of him being simpy too much for Malygos to handle. You said breath weapon can do that blast? ive only heard of it wiping out memories of spells when it hits. The assumption itself about characters in general is those who say that LK is nothing on them without proof, thats an assumption, although ime not sure you personally have said sometihng like that within my memory. I was more targeting Becci and DarkC "my opinion is Fact" pandemonium.

the FAQ has lore in it either way, the FAQ can be made for anything the developers want it to be, it may not be a book or lore page, but it sure hell has officially been made, on an official site, and its new too so its age cannot be beaten on. Also furthermore the RPG books you like call the LK "all powerful", "infnite in necromancy power".....

The storyline of WOTLK doesnt say anything about power at all, its simply saying as the area implies, story so power of the characters in question are irrelvent, i would like to get the Lands of Mystery and other Brann bronzebeard books, they are 2006 RPG books that says a lot on the LK, like that 250k figuire, his plans on taking on dragons and even the Titans themselves.

I dont think the FAQ creadability falls much at all, the fact its an FAQ means nothing, its still official, on the NEW official site, its more official than some incredibly aged RPG books, at the Brann Bronzebeard ones are fairly new. How did you get the ones you sent me? could you get the Brann Bronzebeard books the same way?

That they are ancient has absolutely nothing to do with anything again, there haven't been any major retcon in Blizzard lore since there realise (unless the one already mentioned) unless you can find numerous examples on where they are speficifly wrong to a very great extent numerous places then that line of thinking simply doesn't hold, Am I to discount What Jack Kirby said when he Created Galactus simply because it's a old statement? I downplay a FAQ, FAQ that never and I repeat again never has been seen as a source from which to draw Lore material.

No, warlock Magic is not shadow magic, unless you think he Lich King is going to call down a Infernal ore begin summoning Demons from the twisted nether which he has never shown any abilities for, he simply doesn't possesse them, as mentioned previous and as proof they where taken away from him by Kil'Jaeden. I will show you it again then

Ner'zhul resolved to defy his demon master, but Gul'dan, his apprentice, had followed him, and, greedy for his own power, informed Kil'jaeden of the betrayal of the shaman. Kil'jaeden, ever one to reward good service, elevated Gul'dan to Ner'zhul's position, and Ner'zhul was relegated to a decorative position, his powers stripped from him. Kil'jaeden forced Ner'zhul to watch helplessly as the orcs slid into bloodlust and warlock magic. He was powerless to stop the rise of the Shadow Council, privy to all their secrets but able to reveal none.

Lets be entirely correct here BT what the FAQ has is one line with roughly 10 words that says anything about the Lich King powerlevels and that is that, that is all the lore information that the entire FAQ gives that is again in my opinion far from enough to call it lore the Feature Section which Contains a actual stories are far more reliable had it stood there I would have agreed. And he most certainly appeares All powerful to a human being ore the Heroes that will encounter him, just like the majority of the Beings mentioned in Shadows and Light will.

If you accept that Line of thinking then you are in no position to try and discredit another source that is posted on another official site, the only reason you have given to why you believe that shouldn't be used is because you believe it holds outdated information yet you refuse to specify to me what the outdated information is apart from the Eredar that wouldn't had changed if Blizzard didn't require the Draenei as a playable Character. Again how much have changed regarding the Characters in the RPG the last 4 years? And what if I may ask makes that book canon BT that it contains information about the Lich King? Also what where you saying about that site with the LK stories contain no power information

The demon lord Kil'jaeden punished Ner'zhul for his defiance, destroying his aging body and torturing his spirit. The demon then offered Ner'zhul a final ultimatum: serve the Legion unconditionally or suffer eternal agony. With little other choice, Ner'zhul pledged to obey Kil'jaeden and was reborn as a terrifying and vastly powerful agent of the Legion – the Lich King.

You refuse to believe in the online site that speficies the RPG as Canon but you accept the words of a fictionel Character simply because it concerns the Lich King???

Originally posted by Utrigita
That they are ancient has absolutely nothing to do with anything again, there haven't been any major retcon in Blizzard lore since there realise (unless the one already mentioned) unless you can find numerous examples on where they are speficifly wrong to a very great extent numerous places then that line of thinking simply doesn't hold, Am I to discount What Jack Kirby said when he Created Galactus simply because it's a old statement? I downplay a FAQ, FAQ that never and I repeat again never has been seen as a source from which to draw Lore material.

No, warlock Magic is not shadow magic, unless you think he Lich King is going to call down a Infernal ore begin summoning Demons from the twisted nether which he has never shown any abilities for, he simply doesn't possesse them, as mentioned previous and as proof they where taken away from him by Kil'Jaeden. I will show you it again then

http://www.wowwiki.com/Ner%27zhul WoWwiki have forgotten the source of Information luckily I know it's from Rise of the Horde. Show me one source BT just one that support that speculation, just one source. The Blast mentioned in Day's of the Dragon did as DarkC mention produce such a force that reality itself was desolved. If I haven't said then don't accuse me of it BT.

Lets be entirely correct here BT what the FAQ has is one line with roughly 10 words that says anything about the Lich King powerlevels and that is that, that is all the lore information that the entire FAQ gives that is again in my opinion far from enough to call it lore the Feature Section which Contains a actual stories are far more reliable had it stood there I would have agreed. And he most certainly appeares All powerful to a human being ore the Heroes that will encounter him, just like the majority of the Beings mentioned in Shadows and Light will.

If you accept that Line of thinking then you are in no position to try and discredit another source that is posted on another official site, the only reason you have given to why you believe that shouldn't be used is because you believe it holds outdated information yet you refuse to specify to me what the outdated information is apart from the Eredar that wouldn't had changed if Blizzard didn't require the Draenei as a playable Character. Again how much have changed regarding the Characters in the RPG the last 4 years? And what if I may ask makes that book canon BT that it contains information about the Lich King? Also what where you saying about that site with the LK stories contain no power information

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/story/story.xml

You refuse to believe in the online site that speficies the RPG as Canon but you accept the words of a fictionel Character simply because it concerns the Lich King???

an FAQ has information on whatever source, lore or otherwise the questiosn are asked on, and it doesnt indeed have some lore, the books being ancient reduces their creadability in a world thats evolving for years, even if some information it uses has not been directly reconned.

Al ot of it is, Warlocks use a lot of shadow magic, so no the LK cannot summon demons he wouldnt want to summon such weaklings, he has infnite necromancy so hell prob just resurrect Archimonde and use him as a slave, but either way their using shadow powers which was my point jsut like Warlocks do, all their curses are shadow powers for example and their shadow bolt.

ive not specualted anything, what do you mean to support what speculation? that fact LK can take over minds? ive shown you him taking over minds many times.

That FAQ is on an official site, the most official source you can prob get, its also new....regardless if its not a piece of storyline its the most official source you can prob get for Blizzard and it wins through as a source. It doesnt say in comparison to human beings its in his storyline, which unfortaltey neither Aman'thul, aspect or any other being that ive read been named "All powerful", if you like using sources from RPG book then i can and that background information is as lorewise as you can get in that RPG book.

What line of thinking? the official site of WOTLK is new, the fact still remains the old BLizzard site has not been updated, if their pointing to the RPG books who knows what information their pointing to as good lore because the books are old and have some retconned information does that mean Blizzard losing their marbles? no ofc not, their just not updating the website which therefore imo makes the elderly RPG books not as creadable as the WOTLK official site or otherwise, new information even if not every character has been changed.

What fictional character? what are you talking about, the RPG background information is not from a ficitonal character, the FAQ is not a fictionla character so what do you mean? if your talking about Brann Bronzebeard hes basically the avatar of whoever is writing the new books, so technically he is not a fictional character, just a fictional name. Just like Bob filtch is the writing of the old books.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve not proved anything wrong, half of your quotes are infact quite irrelvent to the argument at hand half the time

Originally posted by Burning thought
as if what the dragons did to the burning legion has anything to do with our debate on mortal forces fighting the scourge

It might not be relevant to THAT part of the debate, but it pertains to Malygos, who is a dragon, is he not?

Originally posted by Burning thought
for example, if your going to use irrelvent rubbish then i may as well quote a Halo fansite that says something about MC and call it proof for all my points.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
ALL my reasoning is based upon Fact as well.

You are still confusing many things with one another, such as times, dates, etc.

Originally posted by Burning thought
hey w8 a moment sport! how can you possibly know the entire plan of the LK?

Like I said, he hates all life and wants to make everyone undead.
If he has the power that you say he does, then it would have already happened. Get it? Why would he wait if he has the ability to do so?

Originally posted by Burning thought
he may hate all life but perhaps he is simply waiting for a good reason, hell if he wanted the world he would have marched by now already and taken it by force but hes waiting for something and we dont know what yet so ime not going to blindly assume like you.

Go on, tell me, what is he waiting for then? Oh, wait, you don’t know. You simply assume that not only does he hold the capability to destroy the world of Azeroth, all he does about it is sit on his ass and wait for something. It’s you who make up ridiculous and unfounded claims/speculations just to make him look better. He’s waiting for something, all right, but he sure as hell does not hold the power to change the entire world as effectively or in such a short amount of time as Sargeras has.

The whole point behind your argument, the whole point behind almost all your arguments, rather…are based purely upon speculation, therefore they are invalid. There’s no backup to them, at all.

Terrible reasoning, try again.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you dont see anything at all, I base the Lich King smashing all these beings because of the [b]FACT he is one of the most powerful beingsi n the universe[/b]

He ranks up among there with Archimonde, Kil’Jaeden, the Aspects. Also Sargeras, but he’s on an entirely new level altogether. All of them are among the “most powerful beings” the world has ever known.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the [b]FACT he is all powerful, limitless in Necromancer power, his power is unfathomable...[/b]

Despite what you may believe, his powers still have their limits.
“Oh no, he has the power, he just hasn’t used it yet!”
Um, why the hell not? He’s just going to sit on his frozen butt and wait for absolutely nothing at all?
“Oh he’s waiting for something, we don’t know it yet but he’s waiting for something.”
Yeah, he’s waiting for something all right. For his forces to build up to the point where they can actually launch an assault with success. Right now 250,000 of undead isn’t even going to cut it.

Unfathomable doesn’t mean infinite, it means difficult or impossible to measure/understand. It’s like Nozdormu’s power, or Malygos too. They’re Aspects of their own element. At their prime, Nozdormu has incredible possibilities of the manipulation of time. He can exist simultaneously in one time in more than one being, coexist throughout time itself and spread his multiple consciousnesses throughout (Hence why he refers to himself as “we” and not “I”). Malygos is very much the same.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I can sure as hell fathom the Aspects puny powers

Stop being so biased, honestly. Right now you are giving me the impression of a sulking and whiny child. You’re at that stage where you’re sloppily putting down the opposing party while at the same time pushing yours into a shining light, and the sad thing is you base your entire judgement upon a single word whose definition that you likely misunderstood completely.

Originally posted by Burning thought
so if the lich Kings power is unfathomable, I best not even try and imagine the godlike power he would unleash (he is apprently also named Godlike in the WC 3 manuel or so WoWwiki says)

He will unleash great power, true, but nothing that cannot be completely countered. He’s had ample chance to unleash said “Godlike” power. Cenarius also had “Godlike” power, and he’s only a Demigod.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You have given a couple of opinions and irrevlent quotes

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes from descriptions youve seen,

Until you can prove me wrong, every last one of your accusations and comments on this one regard are complete shit in the meantime.

Originally posted by Burning thought
we dont actually know so cant assume if one out numers the other, considering how weak their forces are as they fall in battle theyve probably lost a chunk and will lose most in a real war againt real foes.

Let’s have an infantry comparison between the two armies.

Okay…who would win, a ten foot tall hulking Felguard armed with a huge battle axe or mace, or a 6-ft ravaging, savage human-turned-undead ghoul with razor sharp claws and teeth, and possibly a weapon?
Who would win, an infernal or an abomination?
A doomguard or a gargoyle?
Eredar warlock/Nathrezim, or a necromancer?

So far as I know, self autonomy with near-complete obedience to orders beats channeled, mindless undead.

Think about what you’re talking about next time.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And Necromancers dont channel undead, they summon them however, which doesnt take long at all.

Game mechanics: Skeletons collapse after a set amount of time. So much for your “forever” claim.
Lore: Here’s yet another quote from the second WotA novel:

Rhonin: “Rest easy, Brox. When the Nathrezim perished I felt their work cease. The dead are at rest again.”
(By the way, the dead really were at rest again, they were able to easily ride out of the barren city afterwards)

The undead require magic to manipulate, once that magic is cut off at the source or runs out, then the undead go back to being dead.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Their not facts your supporting it with, at least no relevent facts, otherwise couldnt i just say ALL my arguments are supported by the fact LK has mind powers!111!!!

You keep backing out constantly instead of addressing the points. You’re presuming to tell me that I lack support, as if you had more than I did, when you’re complaining that you have no real support in the first place. And when I call you out for it, you simply retaliate by throwing it back as though it meant something. When I call you out I explain why I have grounds, or why you’re wrong. You make lame half-baked explanations in the hopes that I will accept them and move on, pretending that you’re actually justified in making such ridiculous amounts of logical fallacies.

Every single post you make is a self-contradiction.

Originally posted by Burning thought
zomg my points are now based on fact!! hurray, hell, look...an elf says the army goes out onto the Horizen therefore its FACT the legion have billions of soldiers!! hurray!! thats the kind of fact your using...

Originally posted by Burning thought
First quote irrelvent to everytihng really so w/e

Originally posted by Burning thought
second quote you are wrong, thats not a direct quote from a book.....

Terenas said to the young Prince Wrynn in the Tides of Darkness novel, “Know that Lordaeron will assist you in regaining your Kingdom.”. Sorry, but that’s a direct quote taken from the novel. There is no denying that King Terenas, the ruler of Lordaeron himself, just acknowledged Stormwind as being completely independent of Lordaeron or any other human nation.

Even the fictional rulers of the land that you are so eager to overhype simply because it makes your party look better seem to disagree with your sentiments, haha.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Lorderon was the main capital of the states of Man and the King was the most important. Compare Lorderon in size to Stormwind, Lorderon is massive capital sort of place.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes, that pantheon cr@p is perfect example of what a false fact is, you use that fact to apprently back up Sarg being the most powerful of the Pantheon?

Consult your Warcraft III game manual again. Besides stating Sargeras as the champion of the Pantheon of Titans, the thing also said quite plainly that he was “The Titan’s greatest warrior, the defender of their worlds”. They left him in place to maintain order over the worlds they shaped, if you don’t remember.

Aman’Thul was powerful in his own right, but some of that was social due to his title as High Father. He was incredibly powerful in a different fashion, not in destruction, but in creation; his powers dealt with having to shape worlds, not rip them asunder. His brother Sargeras was most venerated with combat, that’s why they named him their champion and warrior.

Originally posted by Burning thought
okie so now Darth vader being the leader of Palpatines armies on the flag ship is now more powerful than emperor Palpatine? no.....just no, and same with your rubbish, him being a Champion does not make him more powerful

The whole point behind a champion, especially in the relative time age in the World of Warcraft, is to fully represent their political leaders in the field of combat mainly because their political leaders lack the ability to do so.

Like I said in my previous example of Lothar and Llane, Lothar was named champion because he was better at fighting, Llane was the King because it was his lineage and could rule a city so well as to bring it into a “golden age”. Llane can fight, but he has not been in and around the battlefield the same way as the champion was.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Aman'thul the father and leader of the entire council is the main leader, he wouldnt suddenly become Champion of the council as well and leave it....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Another example or the same one of a false fact of yours and bad evidence for what your saying, but ive already crushed this point....

Yet another sad debate tactic, assuring someone else they have lost without proper or irrefutable support.

Originally posted by Burning thought
oh i have to keep lecturing you, or youll never learn.....

First of all, your original argument is moot in the first place completely. It cannot be supported by anything besides pure speculation, which in a debate such as this, is completely out of place. This debate requires something that is known, something that is hard, concrete fact. This is something which you continually fail to understand despite attempting to pass off, or pass yourself off, as some grand guru of debate that seems to think that everyone is underneath him. Which you clearly are not, since you don’t even seem to understand the basic rules of debating.

A point, any point at all in a debate requires proof, or some sort of reference as backup. It doesn’t matter how little or how much is known about the subject matter. You come in here claiming that the Lich King would win yet also claim that you know almost nothing about his true power, and also make “guesses” that always seem to put the Lich King in a positive light, no matter what it is. Sitting on his frozen throne doing nothing? Oh, no, he’s just waiting. Despite your enormous lack of facts and support, and Becci and I’s abundance of it, you still somehow believe uncontestedly that the Lich King would win. Whenever Becci and I threw the evidence in your face, you simply choose to ignore it completely (despite your shit claim that the subject was completely ambiguous). You also insist on overhyping a lot, when I’ve had to remind you of the facts. And when you realize that your lack of solid proof is killing you, you blame it on the thread creator and continue to reply just for the sake of replying, because it will save you face.

What you don’t realize, or what you are in complete denial of, is that you’re simply digging your own grave. You’re so far past the point of return that you don’t remember when you crossed it, or what it looks like. Tsk tsk.

That’s not the extent of it. Despite you digging yourself into a hole, you somehow think you have the nerve to pretend that you’re still in the right while you’re doing it. Let’s use. When I slam an irrefutable point in your face (Horde + Alliance > Scourge, or Sargeras being the strongest Titan in combat), you do one of a few things. You simply abuse the point itself instead of addressing its contents properly (see your response above). Sometimes you’ll argue, but if the point is in any way irrelevant to the main title of this thread you’re either lazy or cannot find a good counter-response and instead counter by insisting you’ve won (or that I failed) without even bothering to explain why. When I do ask why, you simply either resort to insulting my points (What? Where’d that come from?) again or continuously overhyping the Lich King. You also seem to be, in more than a few cases, insisting that the topic is irrelevant (In that case, why did you even bother addressing it in the first place? What a shit excuse. If it’s irrelevant don’t bother to address it in the first place at all, otherwise don’t even attempt to pull off that excuse.)

Perhaps the thing that is most ridiculous in my eyes is your lack of originality. The sad thing is, it’s not even used for debating, simply insulting, and even that you cannot accomplish properly. More than once you’ve copied either the way I talk (a phrase I said, for example, or resort to a ridiculous amount of cliché internet “memes” (Epic fail, !!!111, etc) or exaggerated sarcasm simply for the sake of trash talking (not even proper debating, just trash talking). Also, you exaggerate what I say to you, then try to toss it back at me.

You attempt spam laughing, much more than I do, and you still call me out for it (Ridiculous, yet another example of your vaunted hypocrisy). And in an attempt to make yourself look good doing it, you pretend that you’re the one debating properly, when in fact you’re doing everything wrong. Not just one thing either, everything.

See, all of this is…well, for lack of a better term…“funny”. Also quite pathetic as well.

All you’re doing, from my point of view, is pretty much hammering on your keyboard and hoping that something intelligent comes out.

Out of all the posts I am replying to, I really look forward to your lame attempts to defend yourself from this one. I really do, haha.

I don’t know what’s happened to you to make your ego swell up to the size of Mount Olympus, but you used to be half decent and respectful at debates. Remember “Starcraft vs Halo”?

Originally posted by Burning thought
funny thing is the last time the undead weere stopped was as soon as the legion commander Archimonde came in.....lol...legion flips things over for even their own side and allies into losses. The legion ended up tripping, destroyed, how did they come close at all?

The Legion didn’t trip up of their own, it was the actions of Malfurion and Illidan that made them trip up. When the fracas was over, do you think the people celebrated by congratulating the twins or cheering the stupidity of the Legion Commander? Or when Malfurion summoned the power of Nordrassil to blow Archimonde up when he had his guard down to absorb its energies? The Scourge never accounted for that. Neither did Archimonde.

I can’t exactly see the night elves yelling, “Hooray for the stupidity of the demon lord! Let’s make a monument in his name to dedicate to his idiocy!” It was solely because of Malfurion that Sargeras and Archimonde failed.

The very notion of what you just suggested is simply ridiculous.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Neither did the legion, seems you need a history lesson:
from:http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Sundering_of_the_World which is taking it from the official lore it leads you to.
so you see......no Sarg at all, he was just waiting outside....Burning legion did nothing....

However, the whole point behind the WotA trilogy was that Nozdormu was severely messed up by the Old Gods, and out of desperation he sent the three people he knew would preserve the timeline; Brox, Krasus, and Rhonin. History was, in the end, unchanged majorly, although there were a few slight alterations to the timeline.

In original history, Malygos lost all his flight. In WotA, Krasus took it upon himself to save a few eggs in the last clutch from the Blue consorts.
In original history, Azshara was summoning the portal. In WotA, it was Sargeras doing most, if not all, of the spellwork using the Demon Soul. Azshara sat in her tower, watched, and drank wine with her handmaidens.
In original history, Neltharion committed his betrayal some time after the Burning Legion was defeated. In WotA he did it at the worst possible moment, during an assault on the Legion.
In original lore, Azshara struck at Tyrande, injuring her gravely. In WotA Tyrande was not injured at all. The most interaction with Azshara was when she was being taunted by the queen.

Since original history was changed, the “altered” history is predominant, as proven by characters and events shown in the WoW game itself and lore. (The abundance of blue dragons, when according to original history in Day of the Dragon Malygo’s flight was completely wiped out). So, you are wrong.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Erm, the Scourge pretty much knocked so many races into confusion at the time, its madness, the High evles didnt immeidaltey know what to do with themselves, they were lost

Originally posted by Burning thought
same with the humans as their kingdoms lay in ruin and they had no chance

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well thats because the Lich King cannot step into the world, hes already on it

Bravo, Arthas.

Originally posted by Burning thought
20? yeh, but how long have the legion battled against Azeroth? only every so oftne, their not constantly battling, infact that works against them

How does it work against them? Corrupting things, delving into minds, manipulating…those are all things that give you some insight as to what your enemy is like, for when it comes to the time to eliminate them, you know exactly what to do, exactly what their weaknesses and tendencies are. Why would they attempt open warfare when there are better methods?

Originally posted by Burning thought
10k years of experiance and battle? gainnig power? and they fail like children in the fact of the scourge which succeeds.

Tell me, how did the Scourge succeed, but the Legion fail?

Here’s a list:
Scourge successes:

-Reducing the whole of Lordaeron to rubble and ashes
-Making a huge, ugly scar up the face of Quel’Thalas and Eversong, and tearing down half of Silvermoon
-Taking a massive chunk out of the human population (most populated race at the time)
-Nearly wiped out the High Elves to extinction

Burning Legion successes:
-Split the entire world into pieces
-Nearly wiped out the Night Elves to extinction (most populated race at the time)
-Claimed almost the whole of ancient Kalimdor as their own, and chased the Night elves all the way back to Mount Hyjal (which is a colossal distance, if you look at the world map)
-Took a huge chunk out of the Tauren population
-Took a huge chunk out of the Furbolg population
-Took a huge chunk out of the Dwarven population
-Killed quite a few Demigods (Aviana, Malorne, Agamaggan among them)

Neither Legion or Scourge have failed, nor have they fully succeeded, you’re simply downplaying my side and overhyping yours up, yet again.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh a few people, a few humans.....Sarg is a joke....

Originally posted by Burning thought
LK will never be outsmarted thats for sure.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It was basically, the small keeps and castles outside of Lorderon are not worth mentioning

You’re at the point where you’re discarding points that are relevant to the discussion at hand, simply because they go against you. There are quite a lot of humans and a few Kings that ruled outside Lordaeron. And you’re telling me that I need to learn history?

Thoras Trollbane, Genn Greymane, Perenolde before he betrayed the others etc, they were all kings in their own right. Even Lothar had some royal blood in him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and regardless of what the scourge did, dont you think they "could" have done so if they tried? they were just passing through.

Originally posted by Burning thought
erm not really, now this...sorry its funy let me do one of yours HAHAHAHAHAHAHA there go.....ime not young enough in the head however to make me feel so much better but it had to be done

I think I’ll just quote what I said to you earlier.

More than once you’ve copied either the way I talk (a phrase I said, for example, or resort to a ridiculous amount of cliché internet “memes” (Epic fail, !!!111, etc) or exaggerated sarcasm simply for the sake of trash talking (not even proper debating, just trash talking). Also, you exaggerate what I say to you, then try to toss it back at me.

It’s so redundant, I think you’re starting to create an entirely new stereotype of your own, haha.

Originally posted by Burning thought
your counting the entire population together, of the alliances Dwarves, paladin organisations, humans, elves etc etc, the little children in the streets of the castle, the young King, the women.....the whole population of the Alliance and of several races as the forces that the Alliance will use in their 800k? lmao...Same with the horde...you make me laugh....maybe theyll have a battle on their hands and the scourge will be wiped out on the "Orphans" day by the child and elderly population lmao.....

The whole population of the alliance, nope, the Horde? Almost. Even the Horde children fight, they’re used to it, they’re brought up around it. And they’re definitely physically capable; at six years old, Thrall was six feet in height and already bulky. (Lord of the Clans novel). The Horde are a lot different, they’re a much more savage bunch when roused. Even the women.

Wholly put together, you seem too busy to notice that the Alliance-Horde army is still larger than the Scourge army. Put together, the population of the Alliance and Horde are at 1,200,000. Taking noncombatants into account (most women, children, and the elderly) into account, divide that number by 2 (which is being very generous, by the way). You’re still left with about 600,000 facing 250,000 of Scourge (minus what Arthas lost in the assault on Azeroth). The Scourge are still outnumbered, more than two to one.

They’re going to get annihilated. You know, maybe that’s why the Horde and the Alliance launched an expedition in the first place?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Look buddy, when you pull this rubbish its funny but dont do it too often, its a waste of time

The irony is so terribly delicious right now, that if I bottled a juice with this flavor I would make millions.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the scourge 250k in icecrown alone will defeat the armies of the mortals, but hey, your right, maybe their entire population will get together, the old man who gets drunk at the bar will pull out his hidden Ashbringer and take on the Lich King and defeat him.....

Refer to post above. You continue to bluster on despite the fact that you are clearly in the wrong.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Frost Wyrms are basically dragons, only they dont have half the weaknesses such as the obvious problems of being alive. Although hell, ime sure you have some evidence for "they are no match for a mature dragon"

They have no sense of autonomy.
No sense of intelligence.
No sense of strategy or planning on their own.
Dragons do.

Once the magic that controls them runs out or is cut off at the source, just like normal Necromancy, then they collapse.

As for matching with a fully mature dragon…in the Warcraft manga #2, Tyragosa was able to combat a frost wyrm in an extremely weakened state, and hold her own for some time. She’s still technically young for a dragon too, about Kalecgo’s age. They were supposed to be each other’s intended mates.

But go on, I’m curious as to find out why you believe that a skeleton is better than a living being. Where’s your proof, or are you making things up again?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh, well wheres this army coming from lol?

Even with your mollycurdling about how many are actually going to enlist and fight, your Scourge are still outnumbered. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats a difficult thing to do isnt it.....LK is doing nothing......

Originally posted by Burning thought
Youve corrected nothing so far hunnie...

Please, tell me that right there was a joke.

Originally posted by Burning thought
that was a funny flame parade...

ime talking to a wall here, that spits blabbering nonsense, perhaps theres a pigeon on your head spraying feaces every so often since i dont know where most of your junk opinions must come from

Nothing else to say to response to being proved wrong there, I see.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Sure, give me some Alliance characters, the Scourge has all of them most likely and more in undead forms.

Are you just being a fanboy again? Can you prove any of this?
No, you cannot, so why bother asking?

Originally posted by Burning thought
The burning legion are irrelvent, theyll all be dead before they start charging

Your bluster is perpetually amusing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
what do the Legion do? oh yeh, trip up, get outsmarted and smacked in the face

I’ll enlighten you once again, since you have been missing it since the first time:

Burning Legion successes:
-Split the entire world into pieces
-Nearly wiped out the Night Elves to extinction (most populated race at the time)
-Claimed almost the whole of ancient Kalimdor as their own, and chased the Night elves all the way back to Mount Hyjal (which is a colossal distance, if you look at the world map)
-Took a huge chunk out of the Tauren population
-Took a huge chunk out of the Furbolg population
-Took a huge chunk out of the Dwarven population
-Killed quite a few Demigods (Aviana, Malorne, Agamaggan among them)

Originally posted by Burning thought
spies and shades? whats the point, just send one of his Necropolis, may as well? he has hundreds of thousands of undead, he can throw a thousand away just for scouting if he so wished.

I’m very sure you would send a 4-Star general commanding a squadron of F14s if you wanted to do a little sightseeing before the “real” invasion.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Spamming "haha" is the sort of thing an angry and upset 10 year old would do when hes not getting his own way.

Here. I’ll do the honors:

that was a funny flame parade

when you pull this rubbish its funny but dont do it too often

lmao...

you make me laugh

sorry its funy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lol seems i hurt you again

Scourge scouting party lost, damn...lol

lol.....besides?

your an epic fail of a debator lol

The very fact that you actually took it upon yourself to make such a silly mockery and using capital letters (which I don’t remember using) of the fact that I find some of your posts funny really says a lot about how much such an insignificant thing like laughter actually gotten to you. Oh, and considering that you thought that being called a hypocrite was “flaming”, I’m not really surprised at all.

Not only can you fail to make an accurate parody, it isn’t even in context. Nor is it even creative (nice use of my 10-year old simile from earlier, really original I must say)

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes i do have the grounds because half of your hypocrisies you started, I simply joined to Mock you you started hostility, so i did as well

Quote me on this one directly, go back and find where I started everything.

Originally posted by Burning thought
you started with assumptions and rubbish

That was the entire point and reasoning behind your “No one knows about the LK so therefore I base my entire argument upon pure speculation” charade.

You’re just contradicting yourself, yet again.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I followed with assumptions, you see theres one thing to know your assuming, but its another all together to say your assumptions are factual due to some evidence that is not actually relevent at all.

You very likely need to tell the difference between the two.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The High elves have become completly diffrent race, their not really high elves anymore, therefore their race is basically extinct

You’re twisting definitions of English words now, this is sad.

Originally posted by Burning thought
they have an overly strong lust for maigc due to their lack of the Sunwell.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh there is a big diffrence, their dead dragons then, feel better?

Originally posted by Burning thought
No Archimonde did as the LK plan was to bring him on the world, Archimonde is older, but not wiser thats for sure

That does not make him any less wiser.

Originally posted by Burning thought
if you do...then that prob makes sense and more evidence for the rest of your weak debating and lack of knowledge.

Otherwise, it simply just flies over my head. I’m confident because I’ve already proved your so called debate “skills” are complete shit, as posted above.

As for the lack of knowledge…let’s see, how many times have I had to correct you, and how many times have you tried to twist the factual lore to suit you when you were clearly in the wrong?

No, you don’t have a point at all.

Originally posted by Burning thought
oh and what race did the legion completly destroy on Azeroth?

Blood Elves are alive and prospering. So are the humans. You seem to have missed out on something.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh jsut as I expected, Sarg is a fool and a dufus, some guy with a magic axe called Brox creates a scratch on Sargerus? lol..... its foolery, Sarg is a fool

regardless of the axes power even if it does hold the power of Elune it should not even get close to Sargarus.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well exactley then, then his own death at LK hands is indeed a probable fight.

Nozdormu is not getting involved at all, therefore he is not going to die or do anything. Read my posts for once, small wonder why I’m so amused by this.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Classifies the Lich King as above most danger

Originally posted by Burning thought
their prob just cowering w8ting for his final punch into the world

Don’t be so ignorant.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Becci was the first to turn this hostile, you continued it, since your new to the debate, your actions are what are to be influenced your the one who started the uncivil tone in your section of the debate, i was happy from the beginning to debate nicely. But then Becci gets silly and annoyed "sigh" prob like you as well.

Here, this is where you first reacted rather badly to being told plainly by me that you have very little idea what you’re talking about. (You didn’t.)

Go get some common sense, then learn how to argue, then learn to keep to your own arguments and not try and jump in when you know shit of the argument your trying to attack

woops what was that i see? oh just Dark C argument falling apart

Oh, and by the way…you still need to know what you’re talking about.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You have not been uncivil LMAO ftw

Learn to read my posts properly, I have lost count how many times I have had to tell you to read.

Seriously. It helps.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ALSO nice find Riten, a source that shows that he is one of hte most powerful the whole world has ever seen? incredible, Old Gods, Pantheon, Sargerus....blimey this LK is indeed powerful.

Why are you bringing this up, even?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I have every right to question your sources and your uses

When it gets to the point, however…where even after I’ve stated exactly which series and book and event that I get my information from that you deny it simply from the fact that I cannot scan or take a picture of the actual page (I neither own a scanner, nor a high enough quality camera) and that you are too lazy to buy it yourself…then that’s where it gets ridiculously stupid.

Here’s a rather juicy passage from the “moronic debate methods” or whatever that thread was called:

Originally posted by Regret
Had to post another one.

Those people that want evidence for every little statement.

e.g.

"Could you give me some references for this Gravity you speak of"

Requests for proof for fine when they’re reasonable, but not when the person wanting it gets to this extent of zealousness. I’ve given you the book, I’ve given you the author, if you really want to find proof then either buy the book yourself or send the author an email. Don’t complain about it or cop out the source simply because it cannot be easily provided. You’ve gone to the point where you’re actually attempt to deny/twist official lore itself, or cop that out. It’s ridiculous, it’s undeniable fact and somehow you still think you’re justified in doing it.

Point stands, it’s still a source; it can and will be used.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You fail on many levels from reading

Things you missed:
-You thought that I was implying that I was being civil. I wasn’t. I just wasn’t outright flaming left and right like you were.
-You completely misunderstood what I just said about Nozdormu.
-You keep ignoring the fact that due a reference passage in a WoW novel, Lordaeron is not the only human state.
-You keep ignoring the fact that after all the achievements of the Legion that I listed, and continue to bash them “tripping, falling flat, failed, failed”, etc.
-You keep ignoring the evidence that the Aspects do not interfere if their job is being done for them.

The list goes on for some time, hypocrite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
describing

Considering how many times I’ve had to remind you to give backup and provide support to your claims and remarks?

Once again, hypocrite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
making random stories

I didn’t think so. Carry on.

Originally posted by Burning thought
from so called facts

Good day.

Originally posted by Burning thought
that are irrelvent in the end....

Hypocrite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No offence, but because your delusional and think your right even without real evidence or proof and bad claims for such and you have no real points to go by,

The thing is, Burning, I can make a case and you cannot because all you do is claim. That’s all you ever do, really. Once in a while you provide a lame excuse or explanation like now without ever specifying, you’re making lists without sources to where you got your information.

I do. Whenever I can, I go back and find something that I can use directly, hence my use of quoting your statements earlier to prove how terribly wrong you were before (see above if you want a reminder).

Without backup, any derogatory statements like the one you just said and keep spewing at me, are complete garbage. You waste your words, you’re simply replying just for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
youve already crawled into your grave that ive dug for you.....see what I did there?

And stop resorting to copying my phrases…it’s simply childish, is what it is.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh its Alex job, just like protecting from the massive horde of undeath and a Godlike immortal.

As I’ve told you before so many times and have already mentioned above (seeing as how you continually forget or ignore this fact, the Aspects will not interfere into matters if they are already being handled by the mortal races, and evidently they already are. Both the Horde and the Alliance are deigning to send expeditions. The dragons, as they usually have, are content with watching the mortals mostly do their work.

Originally posted by Burning thought
but besides this weakness does not make up for their various abilities such as not needing breathe

Originally posted by Burning thought
surviving their limbs cut off, or impalement due to the fact their already dead and at the same time

Originally posted by Burning thought
monstrous disease pouring out of them that infects others....

Besides, it’s not as if the Alliance and Horde are completely helpless when it comes to disease. Both the Horde shamans and the Alliance paladins are quite capable of wiping a battalion clean of disease and sickness, not to mention the numerous priests on either faction.

Originally posted by Burning thought
.then, having those htey kill rise up next to them as more warriors

On the other hand, if a Paladin or a priest resurrects his comrade, it’s permanent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your a joke, you dont know anything about the scourge, again...DK and experianced officers? they dont need any of that, they can just concentrate on the battle

So if the Scourge were indeed so mindless, it’s exactly what they will do. Because they have little or no autonomy, their thinking for the most part are limited, especially if you’re talking about the mere infantry. Without someone to lead them properly in battle (The Lich King won’t be too effective at this, even with the mind of Arthas he is still inexperienced in military operations compared to some of the leaders of the Alliance and Horde. Thrall and Bronzebeard, for example.) they will be nothing more than a huge mindless horde. They can be baited, feinted, let into ambushes and traps and movements.

Originally posted by Burning thought
do you realise that they prob have the greatest and most powerful tactition as their mind and will? the LK himself spurring them on, he is their global tactition and he is a master of it, afterall, who is a better tacticition than one who knows the possible outcomes?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh here we go again, your doing exactley what ime doing, which in this debate would have been fine on the first page, it would have been fine unless youve already said so yourself not to assume, with lal this "ill be suprised" cr@p which makes it even more of a fail tehir your doing something you dont like yourself.

It has been shown that despite Ysera supposedly having complete mastery over her realm, the Emerald Dream, Neltharion, for one, can apparently invade it and use it to spy or track beings that he wishes to. He even knows how to hide his own trace in the Emerald Dream, and can mask his own presence in the Dream from even Ysera. He even assaulted Malfurion while the Night Elf was “sitting right beside her”, albeit separate on the mortal plane.

The Aspects have interacted and communed since the beginning, do you really think that after all this time, that they would know nothing about each other’s abilities?

Originally posted by Burning thought
you "believe?" well at least now among your broken arguments, irrelelvent so called proof and foolery i can add that you at least havesome faith.....

If you had actually taken the time to read the post properly, which you have so often failed, you would realize that I chose the words “I believe that” because I wasn’t entirely sure exactly which spell that I had mentioned earlier was being discussed by you and Urtri, since you mentioned it as a slightly. The ambiguity has to do with which content is being discussed, not in the actual content itself.

The very fact that you are here seeing the words “I believe” and instantly forming a hasty generalization of your own without bothering to read the post proves my point before entirely. I didn’t even need to say anything before, in fact, because you’ve done it yourself.

You’re so obsessed with trying to prove absolutely everything wrong that you are taking words out of context entirely.

It's sad, really.

Originally posted by DarkC
Keep telling yourself that. Oh wait, you already are.

Actually you seemed to be keen on expanding on the subject, when I brought it up. Backing out now, I see.

It might not be relevant to THAT part of the debate, but it pertains to Malygos, who is a dragon, is he not?

Terrible analogy. And Master Chief has nothing to do with Warcraft.

“Fact”, that is more often than not, incorrect. Read above posts.

You are still confusing many things with one another, such as times, dates, etc.

How could you, considering you seemed to know curiously a lot on it earlier, and are attempting to pretend you know now? Would you like me to find you the passage that aroused such suspicion?

Like I said, he hates all life and wants to make everyone undead.
If he has the power that you say he does, then it would have already happened. Get it? Why would he wait if he has the ability to do so?

Exactly, “sport”. If he had the power then it would have happened by now. Get it?

Go on, tell me, what is he waiting for then? Oh, wait, you don’t know. You simply assume that not only does he hold the capability to destroy the world of Azeroth, all he does about it is sit on his ass and wait for something. It’s you who make up ridiculous and unfounded claims/speculations just to make him look better. He’s waiting for something, all right, but he sure as hell does not hold the power to change the entire world as effectively or in such a short amount of time as Sargeras has.

The whole point behind your argument, the whole point behind almost all your arguments, rather…are based purely upon speculation, therefore they are invalid. There’s no backup to them, at all.

Terrible reasoning, try again.

No, he is one of the most powerful beings that the world (Azeroth) has ever known. Passage taken from guide. Not the universe. Get your facts right, and stop overhyping the Lich King.

He ranks up among there with Archimonde, Kil’Jaeden, the Aspects. Also Sargeras, but he’s on an entirely new level altogether. All of them are among the “most powerful beings” the world has ever known.

That’s funny, I don’t see him instantly resurrecting all the dead on Azeroth from his Frozen Throne and setting him upon the living.

Despite what you may believe, his powers still have their limits.
“Oh no, he has the power, he just hasn’t used it yet!”
Um, why the hell not? He’s just going to sit on his frozen butt and wait for absolutely nothing at all?
“Oh he’s waiting for something, we don’t know it yet but he’s waiting for something.”
Yeah, he’s waiting for something all right. For his forces to build up to the point where they can actually launch an assault with success. Right now 250,000 of undead isn’t even going to cut it.

Unfathomable doesn’t mean infinite, it means difficult or impossible to measure/understand. It’s like Nozdormu’s power, or Malygos too. They’re Aspects of their own element. At their prime, Nozdormu has incredible possibilities of the manipulation of time. He can exist simultaneously in one time in more than one being, coexist throughout time itself and spread his multiple consciousnesses throughout (Hence why he refers to himself as “we” and not “I”). Malygos is very much the same.

Because I’m sure the ability to stop and manipulate time and the ability to mind control an entire army to attack itself are “puny”.

Stop being so biased, honestly. Right now you are giving me the impression of a sulking and whiny child. You’re at that stage where you’re sloppily putting down the opposing party while at the same time pushing yours into a shining light, and the sad thing is you base your entire judgement upon a single word whose definition that you likely misunderstood completely.

You’re still worshipping your Lich King, unfortunately.

He will unleash great power, true, but nothing that cannot be completely countered. He’s had ample chance to unleash said “Godlike” power. Cenarius also had “Godlike” power, and he’s only a Demigod.

More excuses for a lack of will to read them properly.

Courtesy of the official WoW lore, based on a testament of a fictional character in that lore. Are you still idiotically denying lore itself?

Until you can prove me wrong, every last one of your accusations and comments on this one regard are complete shit in the meantime.

Against “real” foes?

Let’s have an infantry comparison between the two armies.

Okay…who would win, a ten foot tall hulking Felguard armed with a huge battle axe or mace, or a 6-ft ravaging, savage human-turned-undead ghoul with razor sharp claws and teeth, and possibly a weapon?
Who would win, an infernal or an abomination?
A doomguard or a gargoyle?
Eredar warlock/Nathrezim, or a necromancer?

So far as I know, self autonomy with near-complete obedience to orders beats channeled, mindless undead.

Think about what you’re talking about next time.

Both game mechanics and lore disagree with you. Stop making things up.

Game mechanics: Skeletons collapse after a set amount of time. So much for your “forever” claim.
Lore: Here’s yet another quote from the second WotA novel:

Rhonin: “Rest easy, Brox. When the Nathrezim perished I felt their work cease. The dead are at rest again.”
(By the way, the dead really were at rest again, they were able to easily ride out of the barren city afterwards)

The undead require magic to manipulate, once that magic is cut off at the source or runs out, then the undead go back to being dead.

lol wut? your simply doing what your telling me not to do, keep telling yourself things that are not true, this is not getting you or the debate anywhere because with me telling you that its rubbish then you saying its not its pointless. Go look at how Utrigos debates, ill refer to Utrigos as a good debator and maybe youll learn from the way he debates rather than my advice which you dont seem to like listening to.

Backing out? yes, out of your irrelevent point that means nothing, one of your precious book quotes that you are falling back on that are irrelevent.

Hes not going to sit there and open rip with fire....hes the aspect of Magic..I dont think his breath is even fire, its a feeble mind ray, breathed on you today has he?

Your irrelevent point is nothing to do with this debate.

it is correct, ive shown this already many times. With all my evidence.

Because fact is on my side, he is indeed sitting there, if your going to sit and speculate why hes just sitting there so can I....and you started all this speculation on why he is sitting there, its obvious that he is not interested in starting anything yet, his army in Icecrown would knock most of the mortal races down the drain.

Heres a speculation, you seem to think hes waiting for the foolery of him needing a bigger amy (all those peasents praying to the chapel of light are too powerful when they go to war you see lol.....) when he could devastate Azeroths mortal forces (which apprently wont get Dragon help). I think hes just waiting for Kiljaeden to slip up again and then kill him while hes down so he can wipe out the legion.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Heres a speculation, you seem to think hes waiting for the foolery of him needing a bigger amy (all those peasents praying to the chapel of light are too powerful when they go to war you see lol.....) when he could devastate Azeroths mortal forces (which apprently wont get Dragon help). I think hes just waiting for Kiljaeden to slip up again and then kill him while hes down so he can wipe out the legion.

One priestess, not even very strong, could take out hundreds of undeads before going down when she was all on her own.

We all know Lich King is not stupid. That is why he does not open a full-scale attack. Because would Azeroth go for a full-scale counter the Scourge invasion forces would fall. Only by acting defensive with minor battles can Lich King take down Azeroth, because he know that once they fight on Northrend he has the advantage.

His army has a large number of soldiers, but opening a full scale attack would be foolish. Lich King's advantage is that he can attack without being attacked himself. By remaining defensive can he make small attacks and hope to weaken the alliance piece by piece.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol wut? your simply doing what your telling me not to do keep telling yourself things that are not true, this is not getting you or the debate anywhere because with me telling you that its rubbish then you saying its not its pointless.

I’ve already told you in my previous post that you keep simply throwing what I say right back at me. Only, unlike me, you have absolutely no proof, no justification, no support for them. Therefore, every time you say something like this is, it’s simply just shit because there’s no backup.

It’s just noise, that you keep ploughing on with, because you seem so desperate to reply just for the sake of replying.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Go look at how Utrigos debates, ill refer to Utrigos as a good debator and maybe youll learn from the way he debates rather than my advice which you dont seem to like listening to.

I mentioned in my previous post a numerous list of faults and fallacies which you resort to, and listed examples as well. Refer to that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Backing out? yes, out of your irrelevent point that means nothing

They’re just excuses for you to retreat to when you realize you cannot back up your arguments.

Originally posted by Burning thought
one of your precious book quotes that you are falling back on that are irrelevent.

What are we in, a junior high debate? Get with the program.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes not going to sit there and open rip with fire..

Anything else to add, Cap’n Obvious?

Originally posted by Burning thought
..hes the aspect of Magic..I dont think his breath is even fire, its a feeble mind ray, breathed on you today has he?

Read above, his breath attack as shown in Day of the Dragon is like a bigger and more devastating Cone of Cold that contains myriad creatures to further cause damage.

I don’t know where you’re getting this information about a “mind ray” breath attack, but you seem sadly misinformed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your irrelevent point is nothing to do with this debate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
it is correct, ive shown this already many times. With all my evidence.

What’s even more interesting is that you never actually bother to go back and find where you’re presenting so-called evidence.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Because fact is on my side, he is indeed sitting there, if your going to sit and speculate why hes just sitting there so can I.. ..and you started all this speculation on why he is sitting there, its obvious that he is not interested in starting anything yet, his army in Icecrown would knock most of the mortal races down the drain.

According to you the Scourge army in Icecrown Citadel right now has the power to wipe out the mortal races down the drain (it does not, see above point on population distribution, even with that the Scourge army are badly outnumbered).

So despite that let’s assume he did. So he’s sitting on his butt with the power to wipe out the mortal races, add their dead to his own forces, and so far he has done absolutely nothing.

“My King, shouldn’t we be doing something by now? We have the power to.”
“Nah, I think I’ll enjoy the scenery thanks.”

Seriously.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Heres a speculation, you seem to think hes waiting for the foolery of him needing a bigger amy (all those peasents praying to the chapel of light are too powerful when they go to war you see lol.....)

Good to know you’re reading all my posts properly once again, genius.

Originally posted by Burning thought
when he could devastate Azeroths mortal forces (which apprently wont get Dragon help).

Go figure.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think hes just waiting for Kiljaeden to slip up again and then kill him while hes down so he can wipe out the legion.

So why would he “pop” up in person?

If the Legion could field their full army, then the Scourge are doomed anyways.