Originally posted by Utrigita
Don't be narrowminded The Pantheons etc are more mighty then the entire group of heroes on Azeroth combined.You don't have the book but it's in the Demon Soul and The Sundering, but anyway
http://www.wowwiki.com/Kil%27jaeden
Would you please show me that source and link please. And the Doomguards is not as numerous as the Felguard and the Felguard rips through the Undeads canonfodder. They invented it, they have been practecing it for most likely more then 10.000 years they easily outclass any Necromancer. Yes he was, what does that have to do with anything? There are not nearly as many necromancers either.
1. No you maked the assumption that he could mindcontrol Malygos, you are now going to show that he can. Either show it ore drop it.
2. Then why hasn't he done it hmm?
3. Then why have the Lich King not simply mindcontrolled the entire bunch BT, and to show that the Dragons can fairly easy, Deathwing clouded his minds so that his fellow abstracts couldn't read his mind, Korialstrasz shielded his mind too, but Deathwing broke through it toke him quiet a amount of time though and that was mindcontrol because Deathwing didn't want Korialstrasz to tell about his corruption and it was barely he could even control that mindcontrol in Warcraft isn't as simple as it sounds BT.
4. No it's you that says he can ergo it's up to you to proof he can, I have already mentioned why he most likely cannot. And I have no idea on how long it takes for Malygos to raise a barrier around his mind, Can you say how fast the Lich King can mindcontrol a Dragon?
5. That is not correct he sent out his thought towards Kel'Thuzad. He can easily operate with minds far away from him, however it's again you that is going to provide the proof that he can mindcontrol a living dragon.
That's because those mentioned doesn't exactly falls under the catagory of heroes but Demi Gods, Gods etc.
It's YOUR opinion that they are outdated BT not Blizzard complain and whine if you like about it, but until that site it changed that remains Blizzards official take on what can be consideret Lore. End of story.
No Brann Bronzebeard is a fictionel Character
http://www.wowwiki.com/Brann_Bronzebeard
it's that simple, as shown above it's also mentioned that he has written those books, since he is a fictionel Character as proved here, the Writer cannot is talking through him but with the level of crediability a fictionel Character will always have else this discussion would pretty much have ended when the quotes from Korialstrasz began coming.
BT it's really simple the RPG are consideret canon that you disagree that's that but don't begin twisting the facts concerning the Lore around because it doesn't suit you.
I think you and Becci are being narrowminded, LK is far more than any Heroes with the "one of most powerful world has ever seen" quote alone, take it or leave it, if you take it, then Pantheon etc etc are included in "only" if you do not, then ill carry on and ignore this foolery of heroes that Blizzard are using to get players excited for their new game.
Source and link for what? Can you show me how Felguards rip through canonfodder, what about undead felguards?
That quote about the Nathrezim says "experiments" which means they have not been using it for 10k years, furthermore it doesnt say anything about Necromancy, it just says experiments with the undead, also where does it say they have been using it all this time?
1. no i said he could mind control, so therefore Malygos is fair game until you provide how Malygos' defence will hold up.
2. He did take over frost trolls, they were not undead, and he controls them.
3. Clouding mind so it cannot be read=Stopping Mind control? hmmm...no...and done what? taken over what? i just told you perhaps range, or PIS...
4. No my part of this is ive proven he can control minds, the negative is that he cannot control minds of humans which is your idea, which is your turn to prove the postiive "humans/dragons" more resistent. I can say he mind controlled trolls instantly, same as before, if you can prove how resistent dragons are and how long they could survive the mind onslaught please show me.
5. No, ive proven he can mind control, thats my part, the resistence of the dragons mind is yours to prove, not mine, their yours to prove for, ime not providng proof for your points. And yes hes proven he can use his vast world observing conciousnes and telepathy, but hes not proven he can mind control otherwise A: he wouldnt talk to kelth, he would take him over and B: I like how you ignored my thing about the beasts all throughout the world
So w8 a min, you think the whole 2006 set of Tales of mystery RPG books are useless then? their not official Blizzard books players should use for their RPG because its speculative, i think youve gotten confused, you dont understand what Tales of Mystery are and your taking the fact their "said" to be written by Branzz Bronzebeard too far to heart.
What? you just said 2006 RPG is not canon so your saying your old ones are? ime sorry but thats ridiculous and so is the stubborn view you have about the fact Blizzard just want their newer RPG books to be apprently written to hepl the players fictionla characters.
Originally posted by Becci
Kil'Jaedens unlimited, unimaginable magical power and omnipotence potentials would put him on pantheon level then if Lich King's "unfathomable" powers put him among the high guys.
I didnt say unfatohmable alone, waht puts him among the Higher guys is the "one of the most powerful ever seen in the world" quote and LK is already stated to be omnipotent in the RPG book