Originally posted by Burning thought
The challenge rating is not lore however, its gameplay, same with all the statistics, the only parts that are lore are the backgrounds and the describing information, the numbers and figuires are not lore, therefore are not canon.
How can a character be considered more powerful than an omnipotent character?
So the Background from the RPG and the FAQ great, let me see we have the RPG and more then 4 Books about Malygos to support oure logic.
A Felguard would most likely bring down 5 normal troops from the undead before slayen himself, and then it comes down to who can ressurrect fastest not that it matters if he is resurrected in the middel of 10 other FelGuards. Its certainly better then claiming the Necromancers can defeat the Eredar which where and are supreme sorcerer race, also you are forgetting that the Eredar are always having at least one magical shield active, mentioned both in the RPG and the War of the Ancient Trilogy. The Natherazim is above the average necromancer by quiet a margin. I know that the Natherazim has the ability of Necromancy I know they practically invented it. The Lich King is one being and his abilities isn't being discussed here this part is the Burning Legion vs the Scrouge. And who cares that it toke vital energy from Arthas and that Arthas is the most powerful Death Knight the Lich King has but hey he was weak.
Unlimited and failed to work the Nerubians, Unlimited and still lost his contact with undead when he was beginning to weakend, so the RPG stat unlimited and I accept that I however have atleast two incidents that confirms them as not being unlimited.
Because as said earlier the barriers have already shown that they can hold a being with a vastly more powerful mind out of a weaker ones. Now again your turn to provide the Proof that the Lich King can force his way through these blocks.
Both Unlimited and Barriers part mentioned earlier.
Maybe in another verse but not in Warcraft which is what is debated here in Warcraft mind reading and mind controlling requires that you are inside the mind of the being, as mentioned and as shown in the war of the ancient trilogy Illidans mind shield blocked Sargeras probing his mind subtily was unimportant it was still blocked. No I said Deathwing which you haven't anything but your own theory about is below the Lich King in mental Capacity 1. attacked a mental defenses that wasn't raised 2. Struggled to keep control. And Darth have already mentioned the difference in power between Krasus and Deathwing. The mindcontrol falls more to the ground then gain wings with this.
With time it wasn't instantly and again you are entirely overlooking what I'm writting I said they wasn't fully raised and etc.
A lot of maybes, but I can tell this much that Malygos isn't in any way described as being controlled, instead he has regained his full senses. So drop the point about him being controlled.
No you are using it to try and place him around the level of Sargeras ore have you dropped that point? Again speculation from a Fictionel Character.
So Brann is a Avatar that the writer hids behind? Where the hell did you get that from? Thanos when entering the role of Narrator becomes a avatar of the Writer else he wouldn't enter narratation but the Writer does not wish to keep the information given as 100% proof hence he uses Thanos.
Then there is absolutely no difference between Krasus and Brann both are being used as a Avatar for the writer.
Yes you have finally showed that the Lich King only has the abilities of Necromancy and the Mind that was nice I should have posted that from the start then the quote that stats Malygos can negate a School within his presence.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So the Background from the RPG and the FAQ great, let me see we have the RPG and more then 4 Books about Malygos to support oure logic.A Felguard would most likely bring down 5 normal troops from the undead before slayen himself, and then it comes down to who can ressurrect fastest not that it matters if he is resurrected in the middel of 10 other FelGuards. Its certainly better then claiming the Necromancers can defeat the Eredar which where and are supreme sorcerer race, also you are forgetting that the Eredar are always having at least one magical shield active, mentioned both in the RPG and the War of the Ancient Trilogy. The Natherazim is above the average necromancer by quiet a margin. I know that the Natherazim has the ability of Necromancy I know they practically invented it. The Lich King is one being and his abilities isn't being discussed here this part is the Burning Legion vs the Scrouge. And who cares that it toke vital energy from Arthas and that Arthas is the most powerful Death Knight the Lich King has but hey he was weak.
Unlimited and failed to work the Nerubians, Unlimited and still lost his contact with undead when he was beginning to weakend, so the RPG stat unlimited and I accept that I however have atleast two incidents that confirms them as not being unlimited.
Because as said earlier the barriers have already shown that they can hold a being with a vastly more powerful mind out of a weaker ones. Now again your turn to provide the Proof that the Lich King can force his way through these blocks.
Both Unlimited and Barriers part mentioned earlier.
Maybe in another verse but not in Warcraft which is what is debated here in Warcraft mind reading and mind controlling requires that you are inside the mind of the being, as mentioned and as shown in the war of the ancient trilogy Illidans mind shield blocked Sargeras probing his mind subtily was unimportant it was still blocked. No I said Deathwing which you haven't anything but your own theory about is below the Lich King in mental Capacity 1. attacked a mental defenses that wasn't raised 2. Struggled to keep control. And Darth have already mentioned the difference in power between Krasus and Deathwing. The mindcontrol falls more to the ground then gain wings with this.
With time it wasn't instantly and again you are entirely overlooking what I'm writting I said they wasn't fully raised and etc.
A lot of maybes, but I can tell this much that Malygos isn't in any way described as being controlled, instead he has regained his full senses. So drop the point about him being controlled.
No you are using it to try and place him around the level of Sargeras ore have you dropped that point? Again speculation from a Fictionel Character.
So Brann is a Avatar that the writer hids behind? Where the hell did you get that from? Thanos when entering the role of Narrator becomes a avatar of the Writer else he wouldn't enter narratation but the Writer does not wish to keep the information given as 100% proof hence he uses Thanos.
Then there is absolutely no difference between Krasus and Brann both are being used as a Avatar for the writer.
Yes you have finally showed that the Lich King only has the abilities of Necromancy and the Mind that was nice I should have posted that from the start then the quote that stats Malygos can negate a School within his presence.
And offical information from sites oh and WoWwiki i have which has its own books and refrences so in a way, ive got all your books under my finger for using WoWwiki.
Thats an assumption however, the likeliness is considering their size the scourge could easily swarm most legion units, the Felguard with their axes are big bulky things, a swarm of zombies alone jumping all over them would claw them down fast and then they will rise again. Prove Nathrezim are better Necromancers please, not only do the scourge have Liches who imo are far greater, their the 3rd tier of power of Necromancy, after Skeleton mages which are after Necromancers so dont forget theres more than just Necromancers, I wouldnt mind putting Liches on the same level of Necromancy power as Eredar and thats without tacking into account a lot of his creations use the Lich Kings channeling power, like the Death knights, Arthas inpeticulour. Eredar shields will all be gone, Devastators would swallow the magic from the Eredar then blast them to pieces with it, being extremely magical themselves the Eredar will be in agony from mana burn. Then your forgetting Frostwyrms.
Yes, two unlimted powers cancel out eachother, immunity VS unlimtied, they would just not work again immunity. Well yeh, when he was being weakened, but your forgetting a very major aspect, both vs the Nerubians and the forsaken...he is not current LK.
You provided me the proof lol, Neltharian broke through blocks, Lich King>>>>(million of these or more) Neltharian in mind combat.
Barriers are not unlimited, current LK is.
Subtley unimportant? its the most important aspect of the far more powerful art of mind control, over mind reading, mind reading gives you no proof that its worthy against the LK.
it just says his insanity has passed, since this could mean the LK has stolen Malygos' mind completly and so therefore, Lich Kings which is not insane has taken over.
Brann bronzebeard afaik has said nothing about LK power level, ive already got my sources as i said before that puts him above Sargerus or on the level of Sargerus.
Because the writers are all stated, Brann Bronzebeard is just a narrator for certain parts, but as ive said, its all lore and its stated as such jut like any RPG book.
Brann however is in a canon lore book that states facts, and what do you mean Krasus? what has he said thats important?
Ive not shown that Lich King only has those schools, it just says Lich King is unlimited in those schools......and that he is also ALL powerful so he would overrule Malygos in that aspect and blow him the hell to pieces lol.
Aspect Kabob dropped from LK ftw.
Originally posted by Nozdormu
How can a character be considered more powerful than an omnipotent character?
Because another character may have more understanding of its omnipotence or more ways to use it, for example Lich King has a 10k conciousness which is incredible, he is 10k times more concious of things than his original form, Kiljaeden whos conciousness is unkown although far more likely to be far less than teh LK does not have 10k conciousness and so not as much understanding.
Thats why Kiljaeden is lesser than Sarg perhaps because he doesnt understand his omnipotence or have ways to using it enough to be above Sargerus, the LK does not have such limits due to his incredible conciousness.
Originally posted by Becci
Lich King being omnipotent would make him the most powerful character in the game universe. Not even U-DO is specified to be omnipotent, even though referred to as God 😛
Hell maybe he is, theres too many sources saying he is "all powerful" or "unfathomale power" (same as whats said for Sarg), "limitless in power"
also ime not sure anyone has shown me that source yet, the original source that states "LK is most powerful being to step on Azeroth, or the most powerful the world had ever seen"
Originally posted by Becci
THAT has never been said.
Riten posted it and utrigos said something about it as well, so it has obviously because Riten got her quote from somewhere and both me and utrigos recognise it (or a form of it) so i would like to see the original or official source that this quote came from.
Indeed. Riten normally go for the really official sites first.
Even weakened as he was, Arthas ultimately outmaneuvered Illidan and reached the Frozen Throne first. Using his runeblade, Frostmourne, Arthas shattered the Lich King's icy prison and thereby released Ner'zhul's enchanted helm and breastplate. Arthas placed the unimaginably powerful helm on his head and became the new Lich King. Ner'zhul and Arthas' spirits fused into a single mighty being, just as Ner'zhul had always planned. Illidan and his troops were forced to flee back to Outland in disgrace, while Arthas became one of the most powerful entities the world had ever known.Currently Arthas, the new and immortal Lich King, resides in Northrend; he is rumored to be rebuilding the citadel of Icecrown. His trusted lieutenant, Kel'Thuzad, commands the Scourge in the Plaguelands. Sylvanas and her rebel Forsaken hold only the Tirisfal Glades, a small portion of the war-torn kingdom.
And WoWwiki doesn't always quote where they got there information from does they... no.
Yeah sure swarm against the legion where you are outnumbered that's sure to work especially when you require more people to take a opponent down then the Opponent requires to take you down. Again there comes imo again, They invented Necromancy in the way's it's known today, as the previous quote supported. Liches could be argued to be above however Necromancers isn't. That's simply stupid to try and compare a lich to a Eredar, unless you can find me a source that stats that the Liches are regarded as Supreme sorceres please drop that point. Except that very few Beings have actually been channeling the Lich King powers, Arthas is, I believe, the only one to whom Ner'Zhul have ever channeled his power. Devastators? what is that? I know that the Felhounds will go directly after all the enemy casters on the battlefield. And the frost worms attacks is that before ore after the Firewreck Dragons rip them apart?
Unlimited doesn't grow BT, isn't it what you tell me all the time that only Marvel has that kind of logic, Unlimited doesn't fade any either. Have it ever accurded to you that many races more then the Nerubians are Immune? The Humans, night elfes and orcs have never been mentally enslaved by the Lich King, you think that is some coincidence?
Based on what? I want Proof BT not you LOL and haha etc Proof is what I want, the rest is meaningless.
Show me a single line of information that says the Lich King can break through a Magical infused Barrier, for all we know that could be how the Nerubians was immune.
Actually it does, again you are overlooking the point, Both mindreading and mind control requires in Warcraft that you gains entry to the mind either way you have to bypass the Defenses.
Which is speculation. Fact is that Malygos has been restored to his former selve, fears the return of the Legion and wants to make sure the Magic is largely removed from Azeroth either way it isn't exactly helping either you theory ore the Scrouge vs Burning Legion. Malygos concider the Scrouge far more low level then the Burning Legion and if he was controlled by the Lich King then it's the Lich King that is afraid of that the Legion will return.
Just keep telling yourself that 🙂 and Brann does actually he speculates that the Lich King one day will enslave the Dragons and possibly the Titans a writer in a handbook doesn't speculate a fictionel Character does, He is still a fictionel Character, the other handbooks doesn't use fictionel Character to establise a Background level ore otherwise, but Brann from what I know about the Book jump in with his speculation observation and so on once in a while, but I cannot really comment further on it before I get my hands on the book.
Well that the Legion filled the Horizon that the entire legion combined was nothing against the power of Sargeras that sort of thing. Yes he is and so is Khadgar apparently...
Yes and that it's the only thing the Lich King has given
wraith-like being of unlimitednothing about any other powers been given to him.
psionic and necromantic power
Allpowerful again is how he will appear to a normal human ore a player in the RPG not much different then how Archimonde ore Tichondrious would appear the power to ressurect the dead, teleport etc they would appear allpowerful against the heroes in the RPG that's for sure.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Official information, its like you dont like it so your going to ignore it....its like me saying Malygos is weak and couldnt even cast any spells just because it would be so much easier for the LK
You are focusing too much on single words and ignoring lore in total. You mark sole words and see what you want to see, rather than what is correct.
Going by words alone, Lich King and Kil'Jaeden are the two most powerful beings in Warcraft. Since Lich King is omnipotent according to you and referred to only as "One of the most powerful beings", then Kil'jaeden is at his level. Going by words alone would make those two the most powerful beings in existance.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And WoWwiki doesn't always quote where they got there information from does they... no.Yeah sure swarm against the legion where you are outnumbered that's sure to work especially when you require more people to take a opponent down then the Opponent requires to take you down. Again there comes imo again, They invented Necromancy in the way's it's known today, as the previous quote supported. Liches could be argued to be above however Necromancers isn't. That's simply stupid to try and compare a lich to a Eredar, unless you can find me a source that stats that the Liches are regarded as Supreme sorceres please drop that point. Except that very few Beings have actually been channeling the Lich King powers, Arthas is, I believe, the only one to whom Ner'Zhul have ever channeled his power. Devastators? what is that? I know that the Felhounds will go directly after all the enemy casters on the battlefield. And the frost worms attacks is that before ore after the Firewreck Dragons rip them apart?
Unlimited doesn't grow BT, isn't it what you tell me all the time that only Marvel has that kind of logic, Unlimited doesn't fade any either. Have it ever accurded to you that many races more then the Nerubians are Immune? The Humans, night elfes and orcs have never been mentally enslaved by the Lich King, you think that is some coincidence?
Based on what? I want Proof BT not you LOL and haha etc Proof is what I want, the rest is meaningless.
Show me a single line of information that says the Lich King can break through a Magical infused Barrier, for all we know that could be how the Nerubians was immune.
Actually it does, again you are overlooking the point, Both mindreading and mind control requires in Warcraft that you gains entry to the mind either way you have to bypass the Defenses.
Which is speculation. Fact is that Malygos has been restored to his former selve, fears the return of the Legion and wants to make sure the Magic is largely removed from Azeroth either way it isn't exactly helping either you theory ore the Scrouge vs Burning Legion. Malygos concider the Scrouge far more low level then the Burning Legion and if he was controlled by the Lich King then it's the Lich King that is afraid of that the Legion will return.
Just keep telling yourself that 🙂 and Brann does actually he speculates that the Lich King one day will enslave the Dragons and possibly the Titans a writer in a handbook doesn't speculate a fictionel Character does, He is still a fictionel Character, the other handbooks doesn't use fictionel Character to establise a Background level ore otherwise, but Brann from what I know about the Book jump in with his speculation observation and so on once in a while, but I cannot really comment further on it before I get my hands on the book.
Well that the Legion filled the Horizon that the entire legion combined was nothing against the power of Sargeras that sort of thing. Yes he is and so is Khadgar apparently...
Yes and that it's the only thing the Lich King has given nothing about any other powers been given to him.
Allpowerful again is how he will appear to a normal human ore a player in the RPG not much different then how Archimonde ore Tichondrious would appear the power to ressurect the dead, teleport etc they would appear allpowerful against the heroes in the RPG that's for sure.
Not always, then again some do.
Not outnumbered necesserily, because the more the scourge are fighting the more likely their forces will swell, not to mention with Frsot wyrms smashing the enemy and the higher tier powers, a Death and decay spell would work wonders on a large group of the Burning legion. No youve not proven that, you simply said they experimented with some undead, it does not mean its anything like the power of what it is today or that they are any use with it. Liches are not supreme sorcerers, their dead supreme sorcers lol, and where does it say EVERY Eredar is so supreme? Archimonde sure wasnt so great was he, endurance he was, but their main powers seem to take a long time like the destruction of Dalaren.
Destroyer sorry, and whats a firewreck dragon? can you show me please, if its fire then by the sounds of it it will be weak to frost.
Its PIS thats what it could easily be, you cant assume that he cannot take them over when nothing states that he cannot, it states clearly he has unlmited psionic power, if the Nerubians are immune then so be it, humans however dont have that at all.
Proof of what? you want proof of LK being>>Neltharian in mind combat, i want proof a 3 year old can beat up a 7 ft wrestler please.....no but seriously ive already given that proof and bolded it from the RP, please dont forget information
For all we know lol? ofc for all we know, but we dont, its said they were immune, full stop, and youve shown Deathwing breaking a barrier, no one else, and no thats a fallacy, your asking me to prove the endurance of your points mind barriers against mind control, at the same time, youve shown they can be broken full stop.
Where does it say this? it speculates afaik that LK plans to do these things.
no, it doesnt say it, and it doesnt say he doesnt have it either...so your point is moot and proves nothing. Lol, thats the description Utrigos, dont try and squirm out of what your RPG actually says, the challenge rating is prob whats targeted towards players but the LK background information is only relevent to his background, not players, the combat area is for gameplay players as well.
Originally posted by Becci
You are focusing too much on single words and ignoring lore in total. You mark sole words and see what you want to see, rather than what is correct.Going by words alone, Lich King and Kil'Jaeden are the two most powerful beings in Warcraft. Since Lich King is omnipotent according to you and referred to only as "One of the most powerful beings", then Kil'jaeden is at his level. Going by words alone would make those two the most powerful beings in existance.
Not at all, the lore ive read, all this stuff around the single words ive read, I think the truth is that you dont like the idea of LK being powerful so you dont want to see it, your precious aspects are far more to you than LK is and so you dont want him to be powerful, read the words, the official words and thats what means something, not your idea of what "should" be.
Lich King perhaps, Kiljaeden no, because he has shown slipups seveal times before, he also doesnt have half the statements about him that LK has, Kiljaeden doesnt have the conciousness of LK either. Also Kiljaeden is not one of the most powerful beings, he cannot stand side by side with Sargerus, Old Gods or the Pantheon.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Lich King perhaps, Kiljaeden no, because he has shown slipups seveal times before, he also doesnt have half the statements about him that LK has, Kiljaeden doesnt have the conciousness of LK either. Also Kiljaeden is not one of the most powerful beings, he cannot stand side by side with Sargerus, Old Gods or the Pantheon.
How do you know? Kil'jaeden avoid combat. He is said to have unimaginable, unlimited, absolute power and he is considered one of the smartest being in existance.
Going by your logic, he is Lich King level and the two of them are the most powerful beings in existance. At least if we focus on words alone. Which we seem to be doing.
Originally posted by Becci
How do you know? Kil'jaeden avoid combat. He is said to have unimaginable, unlimited, absolute power and he is considered one of the smartest being in existance.Going by your logic, he is Lich King level and the two of them are the most powerful beings in existance. At least if we focus on words alone. Which we seem to be doing.
Can you show me this please, Kiljaeden with unlmited, absolute power, regardless of being one of the smartest , he is no LK in intellect nor conciousness and so he could not think of things on a level LK can. Perhaps this is why he is so much more powerful than Kiljaeden. Also using Logic, Kiljaeden would have taken Azeroth by now if he was omnipotent, or if he could use it.,
what? words is all we have lol, lets just use our magical imaginations then.....
Agreed.
Oh yes place the entire Burning Legion against the entire Scrouge army and it's easily outnumbered. And so will the Legions forces both sides can perform Necromancy remember? So would hundreds of infernals crashing down apon the Scrouge, a walking engine of destruction that when it's destroyed leaves no corpse left to animate ore control. I have already proved that the Natherazim posesses Necromancy, what do you take the Dreadlords for, dumb vampires running around forgetting a entire school of magic?
The eredar were a race of supremely talented magic-wielders
Eredar were supreme sorcerers at the dawn of the universe
I have supported my views on the Eredar support your analogy that the average Liches are anything against the average Eredar. He was taking his time to perform that spell, it was quiet obvious it however toke him less then a Second to reroute the entire control of the Scrouge to the Dreadlords.
A Dragon Created by the Burning Legion
Firewrack Dragonhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Firewrack_Dragon note that it's a blessing there are few remaining, And I doubt it's regular Fire more likely Fel energy ore something along those lines but hard to draw a conclusion since there is no picture ore more indept describtion however looking at the other constructions Fel Energy is the most likely source.
Creations of the Burning Legion, these dragons are elite warriors of the Burning Legion. Composed of smoldering timbers and burnt flesh, it is a blessing that very few remain on Azeroth.
Most likely it isn't PIS but simply a mean to show that the Book is wrong however the Book is just as much Canon as the Games are, so which is lying? Perhaps neither I have no idea. Again where it directly mentioned that they where Immune ore that he simply couldn't control them? And I ask again because you are evading the question yet again. When has the Lich King Mentally commanded a Human Being?
unlimited psionic doesn't mean everything as already shown, the Nerubians yet again a good point, I want you YOU = BT to show Me = Utrigita that the Lich King can force his way through a Magical errected mental barrier, if you cannot provide the Proof drop the point.
I have asked you to show that the Lich King can break a mind barrier, I ask you to do so again. This isn't ABC Logic. Because Deathwing can it doesn't mean that the Lich King can, because mentioned yet again he has never done it nore showed the abilities to do so.
What does it say what the thing about Malygos http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/dungeons/nexus.xml
and
The following afternoon during the WoW Lore Panel, Chris Metzen elaborated more on the now hostile Blues. Tyrygosa - having taken the Nether Dragons under her wing - has brought the ethereal dragons to Northrend. The exposure to their physiology has helped cure Malygos and the Blue Aspect's sanity is returning to him. Malygos, with clearer eyes, takes note of the large number of mortal spellcasters running around Azeroth, recklessly using arcane magic, and worries they may bring the Burning Legion to Azeroth in force again, as the Highborne once did (one of his last few memories before going mad). Thus he proceeds to declare war on all magic users. Dalaran travels to Northrend to combat the Blue Flight, and the Red Dragonflight - keeping Alexstrasza's promise to Rhonin after the events of Day of the Dragon - has stepped up to defend the mortals from their cousins' crusade against spellcasters.http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos
Proved, and it's your speculation but both views have just been hammered into the ground, if I go by the Site which is Lore btw Malygos is more afraid of the Legion then the Scrouge since he chooses to focus on them, ore going by your logic and the Lich King in control it's actually him that is fearing the Burning Legions return.
It sure doesn't mention any other powers except in the combat section but that's not a reliable source of information from you, and if you can find any single proof in that Bio that he has anything besides Necromancy and Mental Powers please be my guest. Which of my points BT is Moot?
Originally posted by Utrigita
Agreed.Oh yes place the entire Burning Legion against the entire Scrouge army and it's easily outnumbered. And so will the Legions forces both sides can perform Necromancy remember? So would hundreds of infernals crashing down apon the Scrouge, a walking engine of destruction that when it's destroyed leaves no corpse left to animate ore control. I have already proved that the Natherazim posesses Necromancy, what do you take the Dreadlords for, dumb vampires running around forgetting a entire school of magic?
from wowwiki furtherdown
I have supported my views on the Eredar support your analogy that the average Liches are anything against the average Eredar. He was taking his time to perform that spell, it was quiet obvious it however toke him less then a Second to reroute the entire control of the Scrouge to the Dreadlords.
A Dragon Created by the Burning Legion http://www.wowwiki.com/Firewrack_Dragon note that it's a blessing there are few remaining, And I doubt it's regular Fire more likely Fel energy ore something along those lines but hard to draw a conclusion since there is no picture ore more indept describtion however looking at the other constructions Fel Energy is the most likely source.
Most likely it isn't PIS but simply a mean to show that the Book is wrong however the Book is just as much Canon as the Games are, so which is lying? Perhaps neither I have no idea. Again where it directly mentioned that they where Immune ore that he simply couldn't control them? And I ask again because you are evading the question yet again. When has the Lich King Mentally commanded a Human Being?
unlimited psionic doesn't mean everything as already shown, the Nerubians yet again a good point, I want you YOU = BT to show Me = Utrigita that the Lich King can force his way through a Magical errected mental barrier, if you cannot provide the Proof drop the point.
I have asked you to show that the Lich King can break a mind barrier, I ask you to do so again. This isn't ABC Logic. Because Deathwing can it doesn't mean that the Lich King can, because mentioned yet again he has never done it nore showed the abilities to do so.
What does it say what the thing about Malygos http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/dungeons/nexus.xml
and
http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos
Proved, and it's your speculation but both views have just been hammered into the ground, if I go by the Site which is Lore btw Malygos is more afraid of the Legion then the Scrouge since he chooses to focus on them, ore going by your logic and the Lich King in control it's actually him that is fearing the Burning Legions return.
It sure doesn't mention any other powers except in the combat section but that's not a reliable source of information from you, and if you can find any single proof in that Bio that he has anything besides Necromancy and Mental Powers please be my guest. Which of my points BT is Moot?
Not for long as the legion start falling, the legion will rise up, so the approximate 3-400k of the Scourge will add up and add up until eventually theres around a million scourge and the Burning legion are slowly being devoured. Its infernal fire and your sending against the scourge? jokes.....the scourge use so much ice infernals will be the last thing on the scourges mind ,also can you prove theres hundresds of infernals? otherwise ill just say thousands of frostwyrms come destroying them all. I take the dreadlords for exactley as they are shown, the quote says they experimented, nothing says they carried on the experiments or still have the powers, nothing says they practiced it, the likelyness from your own quotes is that their weak with it and they never use it hardly since according to you theyve shown it once, besides their power will be taken away by Destroyers just like the Eredar will be.
A lich is a powerful undead sorceror, possessing tremendous magical power
Can you show me where it says he took the control of the scourge from the LK? you saying the entire Scourge were somehow controlled by Dreadlords now? ridiculous, the lileiness is that by then the LK was still contrlling them otherwise they would turn to goo or not do anytthing, their minds are his.
They seem pathetic, little more than defeating a normal dragon whelp, let alone an adult Frost wyrm...their timbers or tar, their like dragon material golems.
No one is lieing, your the one assuming her, assuming he cannot take over the humans, both books are correct, Nerbuians are immune, and LK is unlmited in Psionic power, its just PIS or a lack of interest in using his psionic power, OR its the fact thats not current Lich King and the unlmited psionic power is current. Ime not evading any question, he does not command human beings directly, can you show me where it states he cannot?
Their a useless point, because their immune:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Nerubian
, Ner'zhul found that the evil Nerubians were immune not only to the undead plague, but to his telepathic domination as well.
ive already given you the proof, he has unlimtied psionic power, he would just shatter the barrier since their not invulerable either, show me=Burning thought, where you get any inclination to say the Barreir would stop lich King of unlmited Psyche especialyl after youve shown one of such limited mind power break one.
Fair enough you can have that point, Malygos is not being controlled.
The points that are moot are the ones where you keep trying to say the LK has no more than Psionic or Necro powers, you cannot prove that and that piece of information doesnt help you either, it just says he is limitless in those, then it goes on to say he is "all powerful"