Master Malygos Vs. Lich King

All the aspects at the same time? You got to be kidding 😐

Malygos can erase Lich King from existance as I was well reminded of yesterday.
Nozdormu can attack from another time like how he blasted Korialstrasz.
Neltharion would overpower him with massive blasts.

Alexstrasza and Ysera would be the ones he would have the most chance against. That is if Ysera does not blast his mind to oblivion.

I state what I did because I do not see how Lich King can shield himself from being erased out of existance.

So you think all those attacks you mentioned will be of use against an Old God? do you think Malygos blast would erase with imunpity an Old God? jesus Malygos must be the most powerful being in Warcraft universe then perhaps, he could just take out the Pantheon with erasing strikes, theyve never been shown to repel against erasing either so damn, poor Pantheon, Old Gods etc etc, the Aspects you seem to think are top of the food chain.

LK would just overpower them with his own powers, completly annhilating them before they can do anything, ive basiclaly just done what you did to the LK only from LK point of view.

Both the Pantheon and the Old Gods have proven themselves highly resistant to ALL attacks. Lich King is a Lich in a human body while they are actual Gods and Titans. Malygos would get his ass wiped by any Old God or any Pantheon. So would Lich King.

If you think Malygos can beat any of them, then you truelly are clueless.

How will Lich King overpower them?

- One aspect he can not see
- One aspect he can not mentally assault and that can take his magic away
- One aspect who is proven far more endurant than all them others
- One aspect whos mental power for all we know is equal to Lich King's
- And Alexstrasza who is not all that shabby herself. She is however probably the one that has the least to offer in a fight like this.

When? when have the Pantheon been shown resistent to all attacks? when did Malygos fight the Pantheon? and the Old Gods too for that matter, did he use a anti excitence breath wave on them? Lich King? who says? Lich King as weve seen is clearly placed in their league since he is one of the most powerful beings the world has ever seen.

If you think Malygos can beat Lich King you are truelly clueless

-okie so one aspect the pantheon member/Old god cannot see
-one aspect Pantheon/old God could not assault and they would have their magic taken from them
-same point
-One Aspect whos mental power for all we know is equel to Pantheon/Old Gods

Lich King = Old God & Pantheon level?

kkthxbai

Originally posted by Burning thought
-okie so one aspect the pantheon member/Old god cannot see
-one aspect Pantheon/old God could not assault and they would have their magic taken from them
-same point
-One Aspect whos mental power for all we know is equel to Pantheon/Old Gods

1. Correct
2. Correct that they would not mentally assault him. They could magically assault him however as their magic might surpass his.
3. The Aspects survived the Demon Soul blast rather well. Can you say for sure that Lich King's blasts > Demon Soul's blasts?
4. Very possible, yes.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
1. Correct
2. Correct that they would not mentally assault him. They could magically assault him however as their magic might surpass his.
3. The Aspects survived the Demon Soul blast rather well. Can you say for sure that Lich King's blasts > Demon Soul's blasts?
4. Very possible, yes.

2. oh well LK magic might surpass his as well then

3. Well going by the Background info on the RPG MoM Lich King is all powerful, the Demon soul blasts are not, so....yes I can

4. then again so is the LK destroying all the aspects

Originally posted by Becci
Lich King = Old God & Pantheon level?

kkthxbai

Blizzard say it, not me, take it up with them kkthxbaibai 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. oh well LK magic might surpass his as well then

3. Well going by the Background info on the RPG MoM Lich King is all powerful, the Demon soul blasts are not, so....yes I can

4. then again so is the LK destroying all the aspects

2. Nothing indicate this
3. The Demon Soul with one single blast incinerated an entire flight, absorbed over thousand souls and sent three aspects flying to the other side of the planet in extreme force and rate. What can Lich King do to match that?

4. On what are you basing this? And if Lich King's mind is on Pantheon level, then Malygos will have no problem shielding against it. Illidan could protect his mind from Sargeras, and it is not even possible to compare Illidan's with Malygos power. That is how much they differ.

In magical power: Illidan < Rhonin < < < Malfurion < < < Korialstrasz < < < < < < < (Do another thousand of those < ) Any aspect < < < < Malygos

Originally posted by Nozdormu
2. Nothing indicate this
3. The Demon Soul with one single blast incinerated an entire flight, absorbed over thousand souls and sent three aspects flying to the other side of the planet in extreme force and rate. What can Lich King do to match that?

4. On what are you basing this? And if Lich King's mind is on Pantheon level, then Malygos will have no problem shielding against it. Illidan could protect his mind from Sargeras, and it is not even possible to compare Illidan's with Malygos power. That is how much they differ.

In magical power: Illidan < Rhonin < < < Malfurion < < < Korialstrasz < < < < < < < (Do another thousand of those < ) Any aspect < < < < Malygos

2. Hes got unfathomable power (described power for Sargeras as well funily enough), he also has infnite power and infnite necromancy as said in the RP.

3. weve yet to find out what he is actually going to do with all his power, hes just sitting there for the moment, but we know its beyond by far the Demon soul. I dont agree with it but lets say ALL LK has is frost, Shadow and his mind powers, then logic dictates a massive Shadow blast, mind blast or otherwise will simply overpower them all.

4. His 10k conciousness, and all the other speeches of his power Ive said above, the fact he is on the level of Pantheon/Old God as well, therefore considering his mind is his major asset, logic dictates that this is likey why he is so powerful.

and no I dont think so, he was also enhanced by Kiljaeden i believ AND Sargerus since then not to menstion the skull, what makes you say Malfuron or Rhonin> Illidan,I would put him more on Malfurion equel, especially since keep in mind Rhonin taught Illidan everything he knew (this is before all the powerups) Illidan should definaltey be above Rhonin by now.

but all this irrelvent, why? because Sargerus didnt try and mind control anyone.....shielding his mind so he is not found or shielding his mind from illusion is not the same as mind control....

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. Hes got unfathomable power (described power for Sargeras as well funily enough), he also has infnite power and infnite necromancy as said in the RP.

3. weve yet to find out what he is actually going to do with all his power, hes just sitting there for the moment, but we know its beyond by far the Demon soul. I dont agree with it but lets say ALL LK has is frost, Shadow and his mind powers, then logic dictates a massive Shadow blast, mind blast or otherwise will simply overpower them all.

4. His 10k conciousness, and all the other speeches of his power Ive said above, the fact he is on the level of Pantheon/Old God as well, therefore considering his mind is his major asset, logic dictates that this is likey why he is so powerful.

and no I dont think so, he was also enhanced by Kiljaeden i believ AND Sargerus since then not to menstion the skull, what makes you say Malfuron or Rhonin> Illidan,I would put him more on Malfurion equel, especially since keep in mind Rhonin taught Illidan everything he knew (this is before all the powerups) Illidan should definaltey be above Rhonin by now.

but all this irrelvent, why? because Sargerus didnt try and mind control anyone.....shielding his mind so he is not found or shielding his mind from illusion is not the same as mind control....

2. Can you quote that from the RP, please. If that is true, then he is equal to Kil'Jaeden in power.

3. We know this? How do we know this?

4. His mind 10k fold could just as well mean that he would reach the same level as Ysera. He could obtain what Ysera already has, for all we know.

By now, yes. But we are not talking about the current Illidan. We are talking about the War of the Ancients Illidan, who was below Rhonin in power. How powerful Illidan is now doesnt mean a shit, since he did this back then and not today. Malfurion also > Illidan, which Illidan said himself. Which he say all the time in the War of the Ancients.

He shielded his mind from mind spells. Mind control is a mind spell.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think you and Becci are being narrowminded, LK is far more than any Heroes with the "one of most powerful world has ever seen" quote alone, take it or leave it, if you take it, then Pantheon etc etc are included in "only" if you do not, then ill carry on and ignore this foolery of heroes that Blizzard are using to get players excited for their new game.

It isn’t us that is basing oure entire judgement on a FAQ. The other quote actually holds some weight.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Source and link for what? Can you show me how Felguards rip through canonfodder, what about undead felguards?

You are comparing the Canon Fodder of the Scrouge, Zombies with the canonfodder of the Burning Legion Felguards, I think the logic here should be fairly simple to make out a winner. Again the Natherazim can ressurrect the slayen before the Necromancers can, providing ofcause that the Necromancers hasn’t been thorn apart by the Eredar Warlocks. And I want the information stating that the 250.000 undead is only what is located in the Icecrown, don’t say go back and find it, show it.

That quote about the Nathrezim says "experiments" which means they have not been using it for 10k years, furthermore it doesnt say anything about Necromancy, it just says experiments with the undead, also where does it say they have been using it all this time? [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Burning thought
They have had no direct reason for using it, but they easily can as they demonstrated in the War of the Ancient trilogy, It was basically the Natherazim that invented Necromancy as it’s known, they used it during the war of the Ancient, it doesn’t say they have been using it all the time I have no idea what happened before the war of the Ancient but from that point and forward Necromancy have been a part of the Natherazims arsenal and the Eredars too most likely.

[QUOTE=10638257]Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]1. no i said he could mind control, so therefore Malygos is fair game until you provide how Malygos' defence will hold up.

I have already mentioned why his defenses would hold up, magical placed barriers, which it’s you that is going to proof that the Lich King can break through, may I add good luck.

Originally posted by Burning thought
2. He did take over frost trolls, they were not undead, and he controls them.

The Frost Trolls cannot errect magical barriers to protect there minds, since they suprestecious as they are stay far away from magic, furthermore the Ice Trolls where banished to Northeren because they lacked the same intelligence as the Trolls that fought the Race that would later become the Nerubians the Nerubians that again shows that his abilities to mind control is limited.

Originally posted by Burning thought
3. Clouding mind so it cannot be read=Stopping Mind control? hmmm...no...and done what? taken over what? i just told you perhaps range, or PIS...

The barriers still serve the same purpose Mindreading requires that you enter the mind Mind Control requires that you enter the mind. I can see how easily you jumped over the rest, Krasus errected Mental Barriers, Deathwing broke through them and mind controlled him, however it required a great deal of effort from Deathwing to keep Krasus enslaved, and Krasus is very very far below Deathwing. And as mentioned Range doesn’t seem to be a problem since his thoughts could reach Kel’Thuzad in Dalaran.

Originally posted by Burning thought
4. No my part of this is ive proven he can control minds, the negative is that he cannot control minds of humans which is your idea, which is your turn to prove the postiive "humans/dragons" more resistent. I can say he mind controlled trolls instantly, same as before, if you can prove how resistent dragons are and how long they could survive the mind onslaught please show me.

Yes he easily enslaved the Ice Trolls, however he also showed that his mental capacity is limited, hence the Nerubians, Has the Lich King ever controlled the mind of a Human that wasn’t a undead, please show me. I have already proven that a Dragon is more resistant because it can errect barriers to protect it’s mind. Krasus was broken down fairly quickly by Deathwing on the other hand they wasn’t fully raised either, Illidans however who was fully erected wasn’t broken down. I don’t speculate on how long it would take...

Originally posted by Burning thought
5. No, ive proven he can mind control, thats my part, the resistence of the dragons mind is yours to prove, not mine, their yours to prove for, ime not providng proof for your points. And yes hes proven he can use his vast world observing conciousnes and telepathy, but hes not proven he can mind control otherwise A: he wouldnt talk to kelth, he would take him over and B: I like how you ignored my thing about the beasts all throughout the world

Which has already been done BT. Again and again and again. He can operate on a world basis with Telepathy, providing it’s undead he is working with, he can control them nothing indicats that because the can mindcontrol a Ice Troll he should be capable of Mind Controlling A Dragon else he would most likely already have Enslaved Malygos... I like how you continue to ignore the Dragon showed resistance.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So w8 a min, you think the whole 2006 set of Tales of mystery RPG books are useless then? their not official Blizzard books players should use for their RPG because its speculative, i think youve gotten confused, you dont understand what Tales of Mystery are and your taking the fact their "said" to be written by Branzz Bronzebeard too far to heart.

That’s not what I’m saying am I no I don’t disagree with what Blizzard official have said is canon that’s your job, the comments made by Brann Bronzebeard which concerns the speculation of the Lich Kings abilities is debatable, like any other fictionel Character krasus for instance you know the guy that stated that the Burning Legions force was filled the entire horizon and it was only a dent, what is stated around the beings Background Combat abilities and so on is reliable, I have never read the Book myself but from what I have understood it contains parts that is citated by Brann Bronzebeard that is not the writer that the fictionel character, please not rup the two things together, Brann is no different in that situation then Thanos acting as Narrator in a comic Book but he is obviously not the real Narrator and thus holds a level of doubt concerning his statement.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What? you just said 2006 RPG is not canon so your saying your old ones are? ime sorry but thats ridiculous and so is the stubborn view you have about the fact Blizzard just want their newer RPG books to be apprently written to hepl the players fictionla characters.

No I didn’t, I said what Brann Bronzebeard has said/is citated for saying holds a level of doubt, the RPG’s would hold the same level as doubt if it where Malfurion that had written them all because he isn’t allknowing, you still disagreed , Stubborn me? It’s not me that continue to shout about a FAQ being canon, constantly denying official canon and try to hammer them down because they are simply “old”.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I didnt say unfatohmable alone, waht puts him among the Higher guys is the "one of the most powerful ever seen in the world" quote and LK is already stated to be omnipotent in the RPG book

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]Yes it does, except that the quote says [quote] And thus one of the most powerful entities on azeroth was born

Really Omnipotent? Where point it out I have taken the liberty of quoting the entire biography in here. Because again a Omnipotent wouldn’t have been largely inactive for the last three years

TheLich King Challenge Rating: 50Treasure: Frostmourne, plate of the damned, helm

of domination, gauntlets of might, cloak
Lord of the Undead Scourge of resistance +5

Medium Undead (Independent)
Hit Dice: 42d12 (504hp)
Initiative: +13
speed: 60 ft. (12 squares)
Armor Class: 49 (+7Dex, +9natural, +13armor, +8

deflection), touch 27, flat-Footed 40

Base AWGapple: +13/+24

Attack Frostmourne+41melee (ld10+21/17-
20andwound),orspell+35meleetouch,
or +33ranged touch

Full Attack: Frostmourne+41/+41/+36/+31melee
(ld10+21/17-20 and wound), or spell
+35melee touch, or +33ranged touch

SpaceIReach: 5 Ft. / 5 ft.
Special Attacks: Elemental mastery, undead mastery, re-
buke living, harm touch, aura of despair,
mind blast, Frightful presence (DC 39),
spell-like abilities, spells
Special Qualities: Darkvision 120 ft., +1 attack versus hu-
mans, spontaneous casting (inflict
woundsspells), evil touch, immunity to
cold, fire, and transmutation, resistance
to acid 20 and electricity 20, DR 15/
bludgeoning, fast healing 5,animatemin-
ions, detect undeadloutsiders, rebuke
undead/outsiders, spell resistance 32,
telepathy 100ft., undead traits

saves: Fort +38,Ref +40,Will +50

Abilities: Str 32, Dex 28, Con -, Int 30, Wis 32,
Cha 27
Skills: Climb+19,Concentration +29,Craft (al-
chemy) +37,Diplomacy +22,Heal +15,
Hide +13,Intimidate+18,Jump +19,
Knowledge (arcana) +22,Knowledge
(history) +20,Knowledge (military tac-
tics) +20,Knowledge (the planes) +25,
Knowledge (religion) +27,Knowledge
(undead) +30,Listen +17,Move Silently
+13,Ride+29,Search+14,Sense Motive
+15,Spellcraft +48,Spot +17,Survival
+11,Swim +17
Feats: Bash, Battle Cry, Brew Potion, Combat
Casting, Craft Magic Arms and Armor,
Craft Wondrous Item, Devoted Leader-
ship, Dodge, Exotic Weapon Proficiency
(bastard sword), lmproved Initiative,
Leadership, Lightning Reflexes, Maxi-
mize Spell, Mounted Combat, Power At-
tack, Quick Spell, Scribe Scroll, Silent
Spell, Spell Focus (necromancy), Spell
Penetration,StillSpell, Trample, Weapon
Focus (bastard sword, battleaxe,
warhammer), Weapon Specialization

(warhammer)

Environment: Any land or underground

Organization: Unique

Alignment: Chaotic evil

Advancement: -

Level Adjustment: -

The armored figure moves with a dark grace and
confidence. Fiery blue eyes glare out from the depths of a
heavy black iron helm. Tufts of long white hair stream out
from beneath the helm as well. The armoredfigure wears
a royal blue cloak trimmed with white fur and carries a
massive runeblade etched with glowing sigils of unholy
frost. His crooked grin implies untold power and endless
hatred for the living.

Description
Kil’jaeden, one of the lords of the Burning Legion,
first created the Lich King to wreak havoc and terror
across Azeroth. To this end, the orc Ner’zhul was
transformed into a wraith-like being of unlimited
psionic and necromantic power. Though his spirit was
trapped inside the Frozen Throne of Icecrown, Ner’zhul
sent out a plague of undeath that nearly scoured
humanity from the world.
Mighty as he was, Ner’zhul searched for a pawn that
could free his spirit from the Frozen Throne and act as
a host body for his unbridled power. By mastermind-
ing the downfall of shining Lordaeron, Ner’zhul
succeeded in corrupting the kingdom’s arrogant young
prince, Arthas Menethil. Ultimately, Arthas was lured
to the Frozen Throne and used the cursed runeblade
Frostmourne to shatter it forever. Ner’zhul’s vile spirit
took possession of the evil prince’s body. Now they
exist as a singular all-powerful entity: the Lich King.

Combat
The Lich King leads off with a mind blast and
quickened sound burst, then another mind blast and a
quickened telekinesis literally to throw his enemies
into disarray. While they struggle with the effects of
these attacks, the Lich King summons various forms of
undead to send at them. Once the undeadseparate the
group sufficiently, the Lich King unloads all manner
of violent frost-based spells. Anyone left standing
must contend with the Lich King himself as he wields
Frostmourne into melee combat.
Elemental Mastery (Su): The Lich King rebukes
and controls elementals the same as a 20th-level evil
cleric rebukes or commands undead (see the PHB).
He may also bolster elementals he controls in the
same way that an evil cleric bolsters undead (see the
PHB). The Lich King may attempt to control
elementals 11times per day.

UndeadMastery (Su):At will-anzmtedead,create
undead, and create greater undead spells cast as a 42nd-
levelcleric. Inaddition, he casts these spells as quickened
spellsratherthantheirnormalcastingtimes.Hecanstil1
only cast one quickened spell per round.

Rebuke Living (Su): The Lich King may channel
negative energy to rebuke (awe) creatures of non-evil
alignment as a 20th-level cleric rebukes undead (see the
PHB).TheLichKingmakestheequivalentofaturncheck.
Living creatures of the appropriate level are rebuked and
must cower asif inawe (attack rolls against that creature are
at a +2 bonus). The effect last 10 rounds.

Ham Touch (Sp): Each day, the Lich King caninflict

upto80pintofnegativeenergydamagebymakingamelee

touch attack (+35 attack modifier). The Lich King doesn't
have to use allthenegative energy damage at once. He can
use some and save some for a later attack. Undead are
instead cured an equal amount.

Aura of Despair (Su): The Lich King radiates a
malign aura that causes enemies within 10feet of him
to suffer a -2 morale penalty on all saving throws.

Mind Blast (Su): At will, as a standard

action, the Lich King canunleash a

massive pionic attack in a cone 60

feet long. Anyone aught inthis

conemustsucceedata~~39

Will Save or suffer 2d8

pointsofC&ma&m-

Spell-LkeAbilities:Atwill-cmse fear,deathknell,death
ward,deshu~tion,manadran, slay liting, smndbst (quick-
ened), telekinesis (quickened), teleport without error (selfand
gearonly),wailofthe hhee. These abilities are psionic in
origin, but are otherwise as the spells cast by a 42nd-level
sorcerer (save Dc18+spell level). The Lich King canstill
only use one quickened spell per round.

Spells: As a 14th-level healer, with access to the
shaman spell list, and as a 20th-level wizard.

TypkalDwineSpeUsPrepared (6/8/8/8/6/6/5/4/2; save Dc
21+ spell level): umt magic (x2), mending (x2),
magic (x2); lsth, wse water, ditine favor, doom,
entropicslueld, obxzningmist (x2), stasis trap*; 2nd--aupq,
frostarmor*,holdperson (x2), ksserdeathcoil" (x2), si&,
soundburst;3rcC-besmcurse,blindmsl-, bloodlust",
deathcoil*, deeper darkness,&pel magic, en+ng roots*,
setpent ward"; 4th4tinatim1, divine power, greater death
coil*,pison,sending(x2);5th+lmg1c(silent,still), ice
stom (xz), obsbngmist (quickened), ri&teous rmght, h~e
seeing, u*; 6th-cham lighhg, cone of cold, harm,
stoneskin,wordofred; 7th-&pelmagic(quickened) (x2),
emthquake,re-; 8&+nam&fieH, aura.

Typical Arcane Spells Prepared (5/Sl8/7/7/7/7/6/6/6;
saveDC20 + spell level): O-daze (x2), disrupt undead* *,
light (~2);lst+larm, chill touch, endure elements, hold
portal, magicmissile (x3), ray of enfeeblement**; 2nd-
c~@ple**,detect thoughts, frost amor**, resist elements,
seeinvisibility,spectralhand** (x2), unholyfrenzy*; 3rd-
fly, frost nova*, protection from elements, nondetection,
slow (x2), vampiric touch**; 4th--dimensional anchor,
enervation**, ice storm,greaterdeath coil", detect scrying,
dimensiondoor (x2), scrying; 5th-carrion swam", cause
fear (quickened)**, cone of cold, dominate person, hold
nwnster, prying eyes, true strike (quickened); 6th-circle
of death**, disintegrate, forceful hnd,freezlngsphere,gem/
quest, legend lore, true seeing; 7th-finger of death**,
forcecage, greater scrying, limited wish, phne shift (x2);
8th-dimension door (quickened), greater dispel magic
(silent, still), hod wiltin?*, ice storm (quickened),
mass charm, waU ofice (quickened); 9th-energydrain**
(x2), soul bind, telepmt (quickened), wish (x2).

Evil Touch (Ex): The Lich King casts all spells
with the evil descriptor at +1caster level.

Animate Minions (Su):The Lich King's ability to
control undead is far greater than a normal lich's due
to his supreme mastery of undeath. He can control
2,100 HD worth of undead creatures. If he exceeds
this amount, any excess undead become uncontrolled,
but may not attack or impede him or his minions.

Detect Undead/Outsiders (Su):The Lich King con-
tinually detec tsundead asthoughunder the effects of adetect
undead spell. He detects outsiders in the same way.

Rebuke Undead/Outsiders (Su): The Lich King

has the ability to command/rebuke undead and

outsiders as a 30th-level cleric (see the PHB).

Originally posted by Burning thought
LK is already stated to be omnipotent in the RPG book

Keep dreaming... Seriously.. Because that RPG book is absolutely not canon.. Yes, Lich King is powerful.. No, Lich King is not omnipotent..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
2. Can you quote that from the RP, please. If that is true, then he is equal to Kil'Jaeden in power.

3. We know this? How do we know this?

4. His mind 10k fold could just as well mean that he would reach the same level as Ysera. He could obtain what Ysera already has, for all we know.

By now, yes. But we are not talking about the current Illidan. We are talking about the War of the Ancients Illidan, who was below Rhonin in power. How powerful Illidan is now doesnt mean a shit, since he did this back then and not today. Malfurion also > Illidan, which Illidan said himself. Which he say all the time in the War of the Ancients.

He shielded his mind from mind spells. Mind control is a mind spell.

2. Utrigos has just done it for me, ill grab the parts that are important:

Kil’jaeden, one of the lords of the Burning Legion,
first created the Lich King to wreak havoc and terror
across Azeroth. To this end, the orc Ner’zhul was
transformed into a wraith-like being of unlimited
psionic and necromantic power. Though his spirit was
trapped inside the Frozen Throne of Icecrown, Ner’zhul
sent out a plague of undeath that nearly scoured
humanity from the world.
Mighty as he was, Ner’zhul searched for a pawn that
could free his spirit from the Frozen Throne and act as
a host body for his unbridled power. By mastermind-
ing the downfall of shining Lordaeron, Ner’zhul
succeeded in corrupting the kingdom’s arrogant young
prince, Arthas Menethil. Ultimately, Arthas was lured
to the Frozen Throne and used the cursed runeblade
Frostmourne to shatter it forever. Ner’zhul’s vile spirit
took possession of the evil prince’s body. Now they
exist as a singular all-powerful entity: the Lich King.

imo that is beyond Kiljaeden, since Kiljaeden is not infnite in the mind, LK can use his infnite power in both his 10k times conciousness in every level higher than a being of the same grade of power.

3. Ive already said, show me where the demon soul is infnite in power?

4. We could say the same about LK in every respect, Ysera has never been stated to have 10k concoiusness, if she had that level it would be mentioned just like the LK, that 10k is importnat to the LK.

Can you show me the spell or quote from your book what it says exactley please, Mind control is completly diffrent to some illusion or someone searching your mind, its forceful takeover.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Keep dreaming... Seriously.. Because that RPG book is absolutely not canon.. Yes, Lich King is powerful.. No, Lich King is not omnipotent..

Oh rly? what makes you say that, me and Utrgios both agree the RPG books are canon, its even pointed out their good in lore and Utrigos keeps on trying to push upon me

I think you should just stop underestimating the Lich King, just because hes not some giant fancy devil esque figuire like Kiljaeden or has titans like destroyer of worlds "yet" like Sarg.

Your really building yourself up for a disappointment..

psionic and necromantic power

Unless Arthas covered the other fronts required for omnipotence, all Lich King is would be:

All-powerful in the arts of necromancy and psionic abilities.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It isn’t us that is basing oure entire judgement on a FAQ. The other quote actually holds some weight.

You are comparing the Canon Fodder of the Scrouge, Zombies with the canonfodder of the Burning Legion Felguards, I think the logic here should be fairly simple to make out a winner. Again the Natherazim can ressurrect the slayen before the Necromancers can, providing ofcause that the Necromancers hasn’t been thorn apart by the Eredar Warlocks. And I want the information stating that the 250.000 undead is only what is located in the Icecrown, don’t say go back and find it, show it.

That quote about the Nathrezim says "experiments" which means they have not been using it for 10k years, furthermore it doesnt say anything about Necromancy, it just says experiments with the undead, also where does it say they have been using it all this time?

I have already mentioned why his defenses would hold up, magical placed barriers, which it’s you that is going to proof that the Lich King can break through, may I add good luck.

The Frost Trolls cannot errect magical barriers to protect there minds, since they suprestecious as they are stay far away from magic, furthermore the Ice Trolls where banished to Northeren because they lacked the same intelligence as the Trolls that fought the Race that would later become the Nerubians the Nerubians that again shows that his abilities to mind control is limited.

The barriers still serve the same purpose Mindreading requires that you enter the mind Mind Control requires that you enter the mind. I can see how easily you jumped over the rest, Krasus errected Mental Barriers, Deathwing broke through them and mind controlled him, however it required a great deal of effort from Deathwing to keep Krasus enslaved, and Krasus is very very far below Deathwing. And as mentioned Range doesn’t seem to be a problem since his thoughts could reach Kel’Thuzad in Dalaran.

Yes he easily enslaved the Ice Trolls, however he also showed that his mental capacity is limited, hence the Nerubians, Has the Lich King ever controlled the mind of a Human that wasn’t a undead, please show me. I have already proven that a Dragon is more resistant because it can errect barriers to protect it’s mind. Krasus was broken down fairly quickly by Deathwing on the other hand they wasn’t fully raised either, Illidans however who was fully erected wasn’t broken down. I don’t speculate on how long it would take...

Which has already been done BT. Again and again and again. He can operate on a world basis with Telepathy, providing it’s undead he is working with, he can control them nothing indicats that because the can mindcontrol a Ice Troll he should be capable of Mind Controlling A Dragon else he would most likely already have Enslaved Malygos... I like how you continue to ignore the Dragon showed resistance.

That’s not what I’m saying am I no I don’t disagree with what Blizzard official have said is canon that’s your job, the comments made by Brann Bronzebeard which concerns the speculation of the Lich Kings abilities is debatable, like any other fictionel Character krasus for instance you know the guy that stated that the Burning Legions force was filled the entire horizon and it was only a dent, what is stated around the beings Background Combat abilities and so on is reliable, I have never read the Book myself but from what I have understood it contains parts that is citated by Brann Bronzebeard that is not the writer that the fictionel character, please not rup the two things together, Brann is no different in that situation then Thanos acting as Narrator in a comic Book but he is obviously not the real Narrator and thus holds a level of doubt concerning his statement.

No I didn’t, I said what Brann Bronzebeard has said/is citated for saying holds a level of doubt, the RPG’s would hold the same level as doubt if it where Malfurion that had written them all because he isn’t allknowing, you still disagreed , Stubborn me? It’s not me that continue to shout about a FAQ being canon, constantly denying official canon and try to hammer them down because they are simply “old”.

Really Omnipotent? Where point it out I have taken the liberty of quoting the entire biography in here. Because again a Omnipotent wouldn’t have been largely inactive for the last three years

But its not all based on an FAQ which if it was isnt so bad anyway, ive got a lot of info, all that background stuff in the RPG, ive got the quote Riten has shown, ive got this FAQ...ive got plenty of stuff.

Zombies are not the only canonfodder, Skeletons are also, undead in general, an undead Felguard would be canonfodder, only be more powerful than a normal Felguard "shrug". THats terrible logic, Nethrezim do it faster? even if they are better, that doesnt mean their faster unless you can prove this. Eredar warlocks? sure if their not crawling across the floor thanks to "cripple" from necromancers.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Icecrown

the glacier teems with undead creatures. More creatures inhabit this one region than the rest of the continent (Its roughly estimated to have a population of 250,000 beings).

So you dont even know? you said they have had more experiance, more than the LK perhaps? who has 10k concious and infnite power over Necromancy....as I said, them having Necromancy doesnt mean anything that they are more proficient in its use, theres hardly any areas where they have used it and either way LK and his minions are just as proficient, as I think i said earlier ,weak DK arthas raises adult blue dragon, theres no much more you can do with Necromancy in this battle.

Ill do as i said before, how can you possibly know these barriers would defeat the most powerful mind attack Malygos will ever likely feel the blunt of in not only this but any confrontation? Hes got unlmited psionic power, unlimited would knock down any barrier Malygos has.

Neither could Malygos is from the range LK had taken the Frost trolls he took Maylgos before the thing ever knew what hit him. If your foe is completly immune to MC then your stumped.

Mind control your not just entering the mind and mind reading is more like listening to the thoughts, its still a very diffrent level of power, one is subtley looking at your thoughts, the other is smashing and taking over your mind ,its like saying a shield that has survived gun shots can survive world busting. Range of control and range of conciousness are two diffrent things, he cannot obviously and forcefully MC at long range. Deathwing is very far below LK in all, especially the mind and you showing me that Deathwing can break mind barriers whos me all I need.

No the Nerubians was no mental capacity limitation, they were immune. Youve shown me these fields "can" be broken, therefore LK using his full power would utterly annhilate Malygos AND his fields.

Not really, he doesnt have to have already contrlled Malygos, maybe he can but doesnt need to? hell does Malygos die? maybe LK has already seen this if he does and will resurrect him as another super Frostwyrm, eithe way LK isnt doing anything yet for all his power, so we cant say "he would have done" like Dark C says, its irrelvent if someone could have done something yet, especially since were talking about current events. besides this could also be PIS, LK could easily be able to do it, yet he doesnt because Blizzard want Malygos to be a seperate raid boss. (then again perhaps Maylgos as we find out really is alreayd under LK control and that part of the story is not revealed)

The only Brann Bronzebeard quote ime using from the book is the number of undead, ive already got the RPG's you like using, the FAQ and official lore to rank Lich Kings power by.

Yes but you need to realise Thanos is not an avatar for the writer to hide behind, TOAA is, Brann Bronzebeard is simply narrating it as the preview which I hope you looked at states clearly, the books are also the RPG just lke the old ones you like looking at, its going to be canon lore especialyl if its a book that states on that preview for lovers of lore AND its by the main RP and lore writers.

its you who insists simply an avatar being used to make the experiance of the books more interesting for lore lovers is useless for lore due to it being fictional avatar.

Can someone show me where thats actually from, the official place, ive seen Ritens one many times and that one a couple of times in peoples posts, please show me hte official area.

Ive bolded it for both of you.

Originally posted by Nozdormu
Unless Arthas covered the other fronts required for omnipotence, all Lich King is would be:

All-powerful in the arts of necromancy and psionic abilities.

Maybe he did and the physical form combined with LK own power increases LK so highly, its known that Arthas and LK coming together has made an all out incredibly powerful being.

Your the one adding that, the LK ha already been stated as unlmited in those respects, then later said to be "all powerful" himself, if he is all powerful then he is omnipotent, its the RPG saying it , not me....which according to Utrigos (and i agree) the RPG books are canon and good sources of lore

The same RPG book says that he is a being that has psionic and necromancy abilities..

The RPG also says that Sargeras is more powerful.. Lich King is 50, right? Sargeras is 70.. How can Sargeras be more powerful than an omnipotent being?

Originally posted by Nozdormu
The same RPG book says that he is a being that has psionic and necromancy abilities..

The RPG also says that Sargeras is more powerful.. Lich King is 50, right? Sargeras is 70.. How can Sargeras be more powerful than an omnipotent being?

The challenge rating is not lore however, its gameplay, same with all the statistics, the only parts that are lore are the backgrounds and the describing information, the numbers and figuires are not lore, therefore are not canon.