Master Malygos Vs. Lich King

Originally posted by DarkC
Honestly. It’s simply stupid how you attempt to attack every single point I make even if I’m right, because it just simply shows how overobsessed with this debate you are. You’re attempting to flaunt your references to mine for some reason, despite them technically being on the same level of validity.

It’s not an official site, it’s stated quite plainly on the main WoWWiki page that it’s a fan-made site, that is in no way affiliated with Blizzard, therefore you cannot use the site as a proper reference.

If the site has references of its own anyways, why don’t you mention them instead? You make no sense. Wowwiki is not all-powerful – considering that anyone can edit it as they wished, not just Blizzard Employees.

You’re still not explaining how, despite me asking you to numerous times.
You’re still trying to make unfounded declarations in the hope that they will be accepted. They will not. They’re just, as I said before, shit arguments. I don’t know entirely why you keep doing this, maybe you’re off in some faraway land where they believe that repeating a claim over and over again repeatedly is going to make it fact.

“Your argument fails”
“You are irrelevant”
“Your sources fail”
Right, right.

[b]1 - The fact that the dragons do not interfere with threats that mortals can handle.

It’s already been shown in the past that even in their world under attack and in threat from complete destruction the dragons and even the Demigods still have trouble taking action despite being aware of the peril in the world. There was a passage with a conversation between an unknown red dragon and blue dragon, and both of them said to the other that the night elves were foolish, but they would not take action until one of their Aspects commanded so.

Even with the Legion’s assault on Azeroth long underway the dragons did not mobilize until the end of the second book, and the demigods the middle of the final book.

2 – The Burning Legion is technically a greater army at its full strength

Haha, you’re really getting into this, aren’t you?

This is just proving my point before, you’re too far into it that it’s clouding your judgement. It’s just dumb, you just offered some cliché challenge to me like it’s some corny futuristic fight between the bad guy and the good guy.

Then you’re being a terrible hypocrite, as usual.

Read that passage where I replied to your silly trash talking that you needed to teach me how to debate. See that? That’s why you’re an absolutely disgusting excuse for a debater, you violate so many things it’s not even funny all the time, just sad. That’s why there’s so much in that post.

I have backed up most of my points. I have stated examples, quotes (both your posts, and dialogue from the novels, either proves a point), or referred to posts that contained the support or evidence, etc. You, on the other hand…you’ve proven that all you’re useful for right now is simply just trash talking, because it’s what you’re predominantly doing. Actually, right now…it’s just about all you’re doing, truth be told.

You’re not bothering to explain why at all, you’re just making these claims repeatedly.
When I ask for support or an explanation, you simply continue to either abuse my argument itself, or simply continue to make your own unsupported claims. Like I’ve said, claims like these need support. Actual support, not just repeating them time and time again.

“Irrelevant”
“Irrelevant”
“Yeah, how?”
“They’re just irrelevant”

That’s what you keep doing, you simply state your claim again.

One of my earlier arguments addressed this habit of yours, and so far in this first post you’ve successfully proven me correct. It’s a pattern that is so redundant, that you cannot even stray from it even if I’ve told you too and pointed out why your logic or your point is faulty. It’s not that hard to understand why: it lacks support.

No backup, no support = failed argument.

I’ve already reminded you of this several times, and from the looks of it I am probably going to have to continue to as well.

Oh, you’re still hotheaded enough to make fun of my sources, are you?

Care explaining why they are “weak”, and why they are only good for “mockeries”? The authors, when they were writing the books, were guided and endorsed by Chris Metzen himself. Metzen was a big fan of Richard Knaak, even. In the Warcraft Archive, before each part Metzen included a small section on how the book got started.

Laugh at that, if you will. And explain why this time instead of doing what you’ve been doing for the last 4 pages or so.

Care to list some examples, like I did?

overobsessed, thats rich considering your answering all my posts which would mean your just as obsessed, your in this debate as much as I am apart from ofc ive got some good arguments and official info.

Yes, WoWwiki is not offical, who said it was? damn, there must be ghosts in my machine typing in invisible letters since i dont remember saying WoWwiki was official, ill tell you what is, the sources their refrences point to, and their refrences are right next to the information or at the bottom of it if theres a lot of information.

Ive already explained how their irrelvent, Dragon quote is completly irrelevent, the number of the legion? irrelevent AND a wild and irrelvent quote due to it doesnt give a number either, fortatley in the Scourge VS legion thread ive found official numbers. I mean hell as if I bloody care lol, please explain how the size of the legion is relevent to the Lich King, or the Dragons in the debate we had about mortal races, you obviously like strawmanning a lot.

1. this is your best argument? well fair enough I agree 100%, problem is, Mortals cannot handle the LK. And you just pointed it out, if the aspects command, who are the guardians so it makes sense.

2. well this has its own thread now so w/e well debate it there.

so these are your main arguments? I laugh

Too far? it proves no point apart from your overactive imaginaton like a lot of your points are, so no, this helps my points...and ill clear this up for you, I didnt mean any of that, i meant this is the only thread we need to settle this, thrown your arguments in and Ill shatter your pathetic excuses for points and i hope those two above are not the entirety of them....

Thats not a reason to damage anyones debating ,what is, is irrelvent points, constant hostility, you gobbing out your filth to try and impress yourself and trying to convince yourself of how your a better debater is more pathetic still......

truth be told? thats two lies, false statements then saying their the truth, you got a birds nest on your nose pinocchio? lol.....

truth be told, youve got far more trash talk, all your posts are trash talk, unfortatley to make this claim I would need to be able to quote all your posts for evidence and KMC boxes cannot handle that

Your sources are weak because regardless who has written the book, taking random quotes from it doesnt help you at all, ive already listed too many example, as i said above its not possible to quote ALL your posts.

Originally posted by Burning thought
overobsessed, thats rich considering your answering all my posts which would mean your just as obsessed, your in this debate as much

You're far worse than me because you trash talk much more than I do. I've shown you why you were taking it so seriously, you completely misunderstood something I've said earlier out of your zealousness and simply launched straight into attacking it without bothering to read it in its context.

Originally posted by Burning thought
as I am apart from ofc ive got some good arguments and official info.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes, WoWwiki is not offical, who said it was? damn, there must be ghosts in my machine typing in invisible letters since i dont remember saying WoWwiki was official

Originally posted by Burning thought
ill tell you what is, the sources their refrences point to, and their refrences are right next to the information or at the bottom of it if theres a lot of information.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive already explained how their irrelvent, Dragon quote is completly irrelevent, the number of the legion? irrelevent AND a wild and irrelvent quote due to it doesnt give a number either

Originally posted by Burning thought
fortatley in the Scourge VS legion thread ive found official numbers.

And last time I checked, a million was greater than 250,000.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I mean hell as if I bloody care lol, please explain how the size of the legion is relevent to the Lich King, or the Dragons in the debate we had about [b]mortal races, you obviously like strawmanning a lot.[/b]

I'm not even sure why you had to ask in the first place, because it seems you already acknowledged to this fact earlier.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. this is your best argument? well fair enough I agree 100%, problem is, Mortals cannot handle the LK.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And you just pointed it out, if the aspects command, who are the guardians so it makes sense.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Too far? it proves no point apart from your overactive imaginaton like a lot of your points are, so no, this helps my points...and ill clear this up for you, I didnt mean any of that, i meant this is the only thread we need to settle this, thrown your arguments in and Ill shatter your pathetic excuses for points and i hope those two above are not the entirety of them....

Other than useless trash talk, I really don't see any other point in this post.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not a reason to damage anyones debating ,what is, is irrelvent points

Originally posted by Burning thought
constant hostility

Heck. Actually, take a very good look BELOW at the post that I replied to, as well. You're not in a position to call anyone else out for it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
you gobbing out your filth to try and impress yourself and trying to convince yourself of how your a better debater is more pathetic still......

truth be told? thats two lies, false statements then saying their the truth, you got a birds nest on your nose pinocchio? lol.....

Is that all?

Originally posted by Burning thought
truth be told, youve got far more trash talk, all your posts are trash talk, unfortatley to make this claim I would need to be able to quote all your posts for evidence and KMC boxes cannot handle that

Oh? Go ahead and quote them then.

Considering you considered being called a "hypocrite" bashing, and that your earlier "pidgeon feces" comment wasn't (which, Ushgarak seems to disagree with your view here), and attempted to pass them off as joking,

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your sources are weak because regardless who has written the book, taking random quotes from it doesnt help you at all

See, this is what I'm talking about. You simply just claim, nothing else.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ive already listed too many example

Originally posted by DarkC
Um, because I answer all your posts means I am much into this debate as you are? Where on Earth did this logic come from?

You're far worse than me because you trash talk much more than I do. I've shown you why you were taking it so seriously, you completely misunderstood something I've said earlier out of your zealousness and simply launched straight into attacking it without bothering to read it in its context.

So you say.

And you continuously use it as your support, do you not?

And the thing is, why do you not point it out to the 'official' source if they're just going to reference it anyways? Unlike you, I'm not going to bash or doubt an official source of lore if it's not presented under my nose.

You're ranting again.

The million you referred to earlier was an estimate of the Legion's invading numbers, not their total numbers.

And last time I checked, a million was greater than 250,000.

Because the dragons have fought the Legion directly during the first invasion, that was where Becci, Nozdormu, and I base our sources of information off of.

I'm not even sure why you had to ask in the first place, because it seems you already acknowledged to this fact earlier.

The WotLK trailor quote from Becci seems to disagree with you here.

They're the guardians, but they will not step in to do something if they feel that the job is being handled already. Your point?

I've already thrown in two, and you haven't shattered them.

Other than useless trash talk, I really don't see any other point in this post.

Explain how they are...

Take a very good look at the post above that I replied to.

Heck. Actually, take a very good look BELOW at the post that I replied to, as well. You're not in a position to call anyone else out for it.

Trash talk.

Is that all?

Far more? Haha, look at your posts above! How can you call anyone else out for trash talking, period?

Oh? Go ahead and quote them then.

Considering you considered being called a "hypocrite" bashing, and that your earlier "pidgeon feces" comment wasn't (which, Ushgarak seems to disagree with your view here), and attempted to pass them off as joking,

Yeah, HOW?

See, this is what I'm talking about. You simply just claim, nothing else.

Yes you have, so?

So you say......your trash talk more than me

in this post you constantly go on about this rubbish throughout all your posts, infact no wonder youve only got two points yet you post about 5 long posts in a row...lol, youve got nothing but trash talk, infact this point you make about my trash talking seems a bit of a rant.

I use WoWwiki because it has refrences

Ive not ranted once at all lol, ive joked once and now you think this is ranting? I think you need to leanr what a rant is, I outlined all your fallacies in a row.

No its not, it says the legion consists of a million screaming demons, let me show you again, it should help you out if i go through things over and over:

Sargeras gathered his vast Burning Legion (not attack force or invasion, the legion itself) and made his way towards the unsuspecting world of Azeroth. The Legion was comprised of a million screaming demons, all ripped from the far corners of the universe

Entire legion=1 million (lol at the beginning ofc, unless you can prove not a single one died during the war?) the single area around icecrown, one centralised point= quarter of that.....since the scourge are active throughout the whole of Northrend, most of the world including Stratholme and in some areas in Kalimdor (Razorfen for instance) the place is teaming with undead, i wouldnt be surprised if the Scourge ounumberd the legion.

Their irrelvent, ive already told you how havnt I? how hard is it to understand, go down with your ship captain......

ill do it again, I have a lot of time to waste repeating things over and over...Dragons VS legion=irrelvent, I dont have any need to know about them, thats one irrelvent point, like most of your quotes. Also as i said, ive agreed with point 1.....yet its your opinion that LK is able ot be handled by mortals which is unfounded.

second point, was completly irrelvent to this debate, the legion is not fighting LK, Malygos is and as ive shown already in the other thread, their hardly even a match when they outnumbered the scourge, due to this recent official information from Blizzard, theres only a million Legion BEFORE they attacked Azeroth.

Whats funny, is that you are blind the hostility free and fairly friendly debate I have with utrigos at the same time as debating hostiltiy with you, this alone is undebatable evidence you are the cause of the hostility. This is to ignore the hundreds of rude and unessary comments like "wild theories" "trash talk" and profanity i belive.

No, you never answered the point,hows the birds in their nest?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Entire legion=1 million (lol at the beginning ofc, unless you can prove not a single one died during the war?)

- So you do not think they have increased in number since the war?
- And you think that their losses in the war was even noticeable? A few thousands at top invaded Azeroth.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So you say......your trash talk more than me

Originally posted by Burning thought
in this post you constantly go on about this rubbish throughout all your posts

Originally posted by Burning thought
infact no wonder youve only got two points yet you post about 5 long posts in a row

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol, youve got nothing but trash talk, infact this point you make about my trash talking seems a bit of a rant.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I use WoWwiki because it has refrences

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive not ranted once at all lol, ive joked once

Originally posted by Burning thought
and now you think this is ranting? I think you need to leanr what a rant is, I outlined all your fallacies in a row.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No its not, it says the legion consists of a million screaming demons, let me show you again, it should help you out if i go through things over and over:
Entire legion=1 million (lol at the beginning ofc
unless you can prove not a single one died during the war?)

Originally posted by Burning thought
the single area around icecrown, one centralised point= quarter of that.....since the scourge are active throughout the whole of Northrend,

Originally posted by Burning thought
most of the world including Stratholme

Originally posted by Burning thought
and in some areas in Kalimdor (Razorfen for instance) the place is teaming with undead

Originally posted by Burning thought
i wouldnt be surprised if the Scourge ounumberd the legion.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Their irrelvent, ive already told you how havnt I? how hard is it to understand, go down with your ship captain......

Originally posted by Burning thought
ill do it again, I have a lot of time to waste repeating things over and over...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Dragons VS legion=irrelvent, I dont have any need to know about them, thats one irrelvent point, like most of your quotes.

I also brought it up because you were arguing about how the Aspects were guardians and should be doing their job by going to go handle the Lich King.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Also as i said, ive agreed with point 1.....yet its your opinion that LK is able ot be handled by mortals which is unfounded.

Originally posted by Burning thought
they outnumbered the scourge, due to this recent official information from Blizzard, theres only a million Legion BEFORE they attacked Azeroth.

Even if they lost enough to be halved, they still outnumber the Scourge two to one.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Whats funny, is that you are blind the hostility free and fairly friendly debate I have with utrigos at the same time as debating hostiltiy with you, this alone is undebatable evidence you are the cause of the hostility.

Where is your proof? You rarely have any, just claims.

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is to ignore the hundreds of rude and unessary comments like "wild theories" "trash talk" and profanity i belive.

I don't even know why you're taking the words "wild theories" so seriously when you even admitted to doing so earlier, claiming that it was your only necessary option in a debate such as this. Remember? And you are trash talking still, you're doing it right now in fact. Look at your post above where I've outlined them.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, you never answered the point,hows the birds in their nest?

Originally posted by Becci
- So you do not think they have increased in number since the war?
- And you think that their losses in the war was even noticeable? A few thousands at top invaded Azeroth.

how exactley? their not doing anything, their not taking other worlds to replenish their forces, theyve got hardly anything to supply, which is prob why they fail as a legion when a real foe presses them

where are you getting these numbers ,from the way i see it, a few tens of thousands are more likely, it was a full scale invasion and even Sarg was trying to get through,

Originally posted by DarkC
Considering that the tens of thousands of Kalimdor soldiers killed many a demon only to have Krasus attest to them making a small dent in their forces, then the Scourge are still outnumbered. Your point?

The main embodiment of the army (250,000) is around Icecrown glacier, with a few scatterings of forces throughout northrend. They're not entirely active, otherwise there would be no civilised life left on Northrend at all.

Because I'm sure "most of the world" consists of Tirisfal, The Dead Scar, and Eastern/Western Plaguelands.

Razorfen Kraul is the only place of Scourge activity on Kalimdor as I recall, what other areas are there?

You're dismissing it again without addressing it at all; like I said I mentioned the dragons vs the Burning Legion because it had some insight as to the individual abilities of the dragons, both including aspects (such as Malygos) and their respective flights (the blues).

I also brought it up because you were arguing about how the Aspects were guardians and should be doing their job by going to go handle the Lich King.

By mortals with help, yes.

And a million is still a lot, even when decimated by their prior invasions. Also, they seem to like to multiply extremely fast (felhounds can multiply near instantaneously if they're able to feed well), and considering that the first Sundering took the lives of a huge number of demons that was, according to Krasus, insignificant of the total number, that would still put the number close to about a million anyways.

Even if they lost enough to be halved, they still outnumber the Scourge two to one.

The hostility according to you has been going on for a while, I have shown you unquestionable evidence and backing of a moderator that you are the source of the hostility, not I.

Ill simply answer whats important, I debate civilally with civil people as ive shown, your not one however, and so ill simply answer what is civil and part of the debate, which will further show how little you actually input. Ime interesting in debating on this forum, if i wanted to manage children id go to a nursery.

Its in the WoWwiki itself, I quote the information, then the refrence is next to the information.

Scourge outnumbered ,we dont know the full force of the scourge, so far weve got 4 to one ratio if we just use the Glaciar alone, and assume the demons are about a million strong still.....

Prove theres only a few scatterings around Northrend, that sounds highly ridiculous, illogical and infact no thats also illogicial, the story behind the viking tribe says the LK uses them as a source of undead since they battle for him to raise them again as its an honour.

Theres large chunks like those you listed where undead are found, simple as that, so many places where the undead lurk, infact theres undead throughout most of the game, whether it be in most of the northern eastern kingdom, tainted scar etc etc, basically theres undead in many places across the world and among them, the scourge walk in more than just the Glaciar is the main point and in many places.

Show me wqith a quote in bold me dismissing it without answering, as i said, its irrelvent that the dragon minions did to the legion, its nothing to do with this battle anyway. Its a big strawman.

Yes and how is that quote relevent to their behavior? its simply an attack which i was uninterested in, the debate was about the actual feasability of them joining against LK.

Well it says mortals, nothing states mortals could handle LK, let alone his whole army. Make a thread ifyou wish with Scourge VS Azeroth mortals and ill debate it there if you want.

What are the felhounds eating? their out in the void now are they not? their clawring at Azeroths protective shield and they cannot enter, where could they possbly be eating? especialyl after this huge number of demons loss, perhaps Krasus doesnt know that the legion is only 1 million and he is speuclating on how many they lost in comparison to the entire force.

I am not interested in the view of a mod, he can clearly see just as well as I that you started it, with the very fact Ime at the same time debating nicely with Utrigos, so obviously, you are the problem, simple.

Originally posted by Burning thought
how exactley? their not doing anything, their not taking other worlds to replenish their forces, theyve got hardly anything to supply, which is prob why they fail as a legion when a real foe presses them

where are you getting these numbers ,from the way i see it, a few tens of thousands are more likely, it was a full scale invasion and even Sarg was trying to get through,

- They create their own soldiers, perhaps? They reproduce? They can do this, you know. You also need to keep in mind that there is an active Kil'Jaeden still. You know ... the recruiter?

- WotA, maybe? What exactly are you basing your "tens of thousands" on? That's right. You have not read the books. You have no solid base. A full scale attack? You prove over and over again that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sargeras tried to enter, YES. Full scale attack? No. That would have annhiliated Azeroth completely.

Originally posted by Becci
- They create their own soldiers, perhaps? They reproduce? They can do this, you know. You also need to keep in mind that there is an active Kil'Jaeden still. You know ... the recruiter?

- WotA, maybe? What exactly are you basing your "tens of thousands" on? That's right. You have not read the books. You have no solid base. A full scale attack? You prove over and over again that you have no idea what you are talking about. Sargeras tried to enter, YES. Full scale attack? No. That would have annhiliated Azeroth completely.

-what do you mean create them? as ive said to Dark C and you before, their an army, not a breeding station, you cant just assume their running about breeding up there, hell ive not seen a female fel eradar yet or pitlord. Well show me where it says Kiljaeden is recruiting and not planning on taking over Azeroth....

-no youve got no fact or evidence at all, me not reading the books obviously means nothing, your constantly falling back on that, then assuming yourself and saying the books are a basis, show me the quotes that gives you the numbers from the book, page number and the book name please

Originally posted by Burning thought
me not reading the books obviously means nothing

You should know that not having read the books, (if you are as good a debater as you claim to be), that you have no right to say "no, you've got no fact or evidence at all".. The truth is that you do not have any evidence, and since your sources does not state anything like that specific you accuse others for not having evidence either..

You do this all the time.. You havent read the book, but you keep telling those that have read them that they are wrong..

Originally posted by Nozdormu
That's wrong.. Not having read the book leave you in a position where you have to use indirect sources and briefings to base your opinions.. It also leave you in the position where you really lack the means to say againt those that actually have read the books..

You should know that not having read the books, (if you are as good a debater as you claim to be), that you have no right to say "no, you've got no fact or evidence at all".. The truth is that you do not have any evidence, and since your sources does not state anything like that specific you accuse others for not having evidence either..

You do this all the time.. You havent read the book, but you keep telling those that have read them that they are wrong..

But no it doesnt because ive got RPG's, Official site information and WoWwiki which has refrences jsut as good as yours, refrences just lik you have to do for the moment while you cannot scan or show me anything, at least i can show you something.

yeh thats cute, if ime a debater as good as i claim to be, i should be given quotes from books, with refrences, page number and book name even if i cannot read it myself at the moment, i may get the book later, but for now, i need evidence/proof, since you cannot actualy show me then Ime being a nice generous person and allowing you to give references like WoWwiki. The ONLY evidence i do not have is the Trilogy books and perhaps some others, book are not the only evidence, and I do in a way have those books as refernces from WoWwiki if i choose to use it, I also have many other official sources which are just as or MORE official than the books such as sites, saying I have no evidence when nearly everything I have is from an offical evidence base either from the games or the offical lore/sites does not mean anything, outline where i have no proof if you belive it so like ive done with your side of the debate below.

They are massively wrong in points they cannot show or explain, ive seen the extent of some reading, Dark C for example claims the horde adn alliacne are 12,000000 strong.......what he doesnt realise until i pull the rug out from under him is that that number includes the entire religion base and all those who belive in it and the entire racial numbers of the old, the young etc etc, then the fatc that 800k of that number is the church of the ohly lights religion base, where the horde itself is allowed to be apart of. That kind of thing shows quite clearly i need to see the information myself, in a quote with refrences or a scan otherwise i would be a bad debater to just accept it for the reasons above. Same with Becci, she claims a lot of facts but after a small discusison she admits their not facts, just her opinions, I can base opinions of what ive read as well, but if i cannot back it up with quotes/facts in a debate where guys are now demanding such ill not be getting anywhere. People who have read the books can easily be wrong, especialyl since so far the books have obviously been of little use, i have several irrelvent quotes, ive had statements without quotes, it seems the books dont say what you want them to say at all, otherwise you could give me a brilliant long quote, page number, bold the quotes main sectiosn that answer the point and then it could be debated OR i would have to concede the point if the book is such an inffliable brillaint source of information that imedialtey brings to bear the fact the person reading it, is indeed correct on all their points without question.

I can show you scans.. What do you want to see? Just give me a page number..

Would you like me to show you the page that state how a significant portion of the legion invasion force was wiped out, and that was estimated to a few hundred?

I would like to see the basis of your argument, what is your argument exacltey?

yes htat would be nice, a significant portion of the legion invasion force is a few hundred? fair enough let me see this, that owuld be better proof than what ive seen so far from your side.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I would like to see the basis of your argument, what is your argument exacltey?

yes htat would be nice, a significant portion of the legion invasion force is a few hundred? fair enough let me see this, that owuld be better proof than what ive seen so far from your side.

Page 438

"The tiny disk flared so bright that every behemoth save the Earth Warden had to turn their eyes from it. Neltharion ignored the burning sensation in his orbs, so captivated was he.
The Dragon Soul struck.
Its attack came as a flash of the purest golden light, purer than the sun and stars, purer than the moon. It swept down across the demon horde and utterly vaporized the Burning Legion wherever it touched"

Page 439

"Archimonde found himself a commander without anyone to command"

This was what I could find on short notice.. I'll get you the numbers later..

Their very small and will be incredibly difficult to read, ill try zooming in and hopefully htey will not be too blurred, while your getitng more info later, can you find the proof for the Doom guards speed please a large quotation from a book would be nice.

I wrote the important parts down, since it is difficult to read..

As for the doom guard speed, where can I find it? That's not the kind of stuff I memorize..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Ill simply answer whats important, I debate civilally with civil people as ive shown, your not one however, and so ill simply answer what is civil and part of the debate, which will further show how little you actually input. Ime interesting in debating on this forum, if i wanted to manage children id go to a nursery.

You first of all accused me of it, then when I showed you evidence that you were wrong, you make an attempt to cover it up claiming that your hostility was in retaliation to mine. However, according to a moderator (no matter how hard you try, you simply cannot evade this one) you were the instigator in the first place. Do you want me to quote you what he said or even provide you a screenshot to let you know that I’m not faking here?

Not only that, now you’re taking a completely different route and attempting to imply that you’re being civil here, and ironically tossing a rather derogatory remark in right after. Talk about hypocrisy.

Seriously, quit while you’re behind. What on Earth do you think you are trying to pull here?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its in the WoWwiki itself, I quote the information, then the refrence is next to the information.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Scourge outnumbered ,we dont know the full force of the scourge, so far weve got 4 to one ratio if we just use the Glaciar alone, and assume the demons are about a million strong still.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Prove theres only a few scatterings around Northrend

Originally posted by Burning thought
that sounds highly ridiculous, illogical and infact no thats also illogicial,

…what?

Originally posted by Burning thought
the story behind the viking tribe says the LK uses them as a source of undead since they battle for him to raise them again as its an honour.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres large chunks like those you listed where undead are found, simple as that, so many places where the undead lurk, infact theres undead throughout most of the game, whether it be in most of the northern eastern kingdom, tainted scar etc etc, basically theres undead in many places across the world

List to me points of Scourge activity other than:
-Northrend
-Tirisfal
-The Plaguelands
-Silverpine
-The Dead Scar
-Razorfen Downs

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me wqith a quote in bold me dismissing it without answering

“Dragons VS legion=irrelvent, I dont have any need to know about them, thats one irrelvent poin”
“your sourcies are weak, theres nothing to make of them except mockeries...”
“Backing out? yes, out of your irrelevent point that means nothing, one of your precious book quotes that you are falling back on that are irrelevent.”
“Spam laughing? i dont spam anything, you spam "HAHA" like some little kid mashing the keys.”

And the most ridiculous one:

“I am mostly, if you notice a lot of my posts dont include some of your points or dont address them, but ive got to point them out for the sake of it”

Um…considering that post and what you said just now….what?

Yet your latest example: Look at your post below.

Originally posted by Burning thought
as i said, its irrelvent that the dragon minions did to the legion, its nothing to do with this battle anyway. Its a big strawman.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes and how is that quote relevent to their behavior? its simply an attack which i was uninterested in

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well it says mortals, nothing states mortals could handle LK, let alone his whole army. Make a thread ifyou wish with Scourge VS Azeroth mortals and ill debate it there if you want.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What are the felhounds eating? their out in the void now are they not? their clawring at Azeroths protective shield and they cannot enter, where could they possbly be eating? especialyl after this huge number of demons loss

Are you sure?

Originally posted by Burning thought
perhaps Krasus doesnt know that the legion is only 1 million and he is speuclating on how many they lost in comparison to the entire force.

After Rhonin told him that the Night elves were gathering more reinforcements after a few days, saying: “I hear as many as five hundred.”
Krasus: “The Legion can draw such a number through in but a few hours, possibly less.”

Originally posted by Burning thought
I am not interested in the view of a mod, he can clearly see just as well as I that you started it, with the very fact Ime at the same time debating nicely with Utrigos, so obviously, you are the problem, simple.

Shall I show you proof?

Originally posted by Nozdormu
As for the doom guard speed, where can I find it? That's not the kind of stuff I memorize..

The first quotations were when Brox, Malfurion, and Krasus were setting out to find the Demon Soul and steal it from Deathwing.

The second was when Krasus and Malfurion were flying on younger Korialstrasz’s back, and they were fighting doomguard.

I've only just started reading 3rd book.. I'll probably get there soon enough.. However, if they are attacking them while Korialstrasz is flying, they are fast.. Korialstrasz was in the first book claimed to fly several miles per wingbeat..

Originally posted by DarkC
You even said it yourself earlier, the main part of the Scourge forces were clustered around Icecrown glacier. It’s because Arthas/NZ is actually building/creating them there. Suggesting that the force and undead population density around Northrend in general are in proportion to those on Icecrown is delusional.

Well, if they completely dominated the entire continent then I’d rather think that the sentient races still living there would have been nonexistent by now, don’t you think? The Taunka? The Tuskarr?

Did you just call me illogical twice?

…what?

What Viking tribe?

You can babble about it all you want, but you see, I want proof.

List to me points of Scourge activity other than:
-Northrend
-Tirisfal
-The Plaguelands
-Silverpine
-The Dead Scar
-Razorfen Downs

“Dragons VS legion=irrelvent, I dont have any need to know about them, thats one irrelvent poin”
“your sourcies are weak, theres nothing to make of them except mockeries...”
“Backing out? yes, out of your irrelevent point that means nothing, one of your precious book quotes that you are falling back on that are irrelevent.”
“Spam laughing? i dont spam anything, you spam "HAHA" like some little kid mashing the keys.”

And the most ridiculous one:

“I am mostly, if you notice a lot of my posts dont include some of your points or dont address them, but ive got to point them out for the sake of it”

Um…considering that post and what you said just now….what?

Yes it does, because it shows to some extent what Malygos can do and to what extent the dragons will interfere in mortal matters.

The quote about Malygo’s attack you mean?

No, otherwise he would have challenged Gods and Aspects.

They’re out in the void?

Are you sure?

How predictable, you’re simply attempting to mask something that you cannot. The fact is, you can’t dispute with a moderator on what is bashing or what is not.

In icecrown there are the most obviously, that much is true, but the whole army of the scourge has set foot in both the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor.

Why would they be nonexcistent?

I called your several points illogical

The Vrykul :

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/dungeons/utgarde.xml

http://www.wowwiki.com/Vrykul

You just listed me all the places....thats a bit stupid isnt it lol....list me sources then listing them yourself...why do i need more? my point is proven and you agree with me, the Scourge are found throughout the world, the Glaciar simply holds the main Northrend groups.

I just told you like before how irrelvent they are. The breathing fire of flights is nothing to Malygos battle....he doesnt evne breath fire, he breathes something diffrent.

Youve quoted not Malygos attacking, but random dragons who breathe fire...which to me was irrelvent in the end anyway.

What? lol, he does, he plans on taking over all life, including the dragons and the TITANS themselves:

[quote]The Lich King possesses untold power and an endless hatred for the living. The dwarven explorer, Brann Bronzebeard, has speculated that it is only a matter of time before the Lich King seeks to destroy or dominate all sapient life on Azeroth - not just the Alliance and Horde, but also the dragons and perhaps the titans themselves. [/quote

Brann bronzebeards speculation>>>>>yours

So thats the entire felhound army of the Burning legion, dont be ridiculous?

Just look at all the debates with utrigos, thats my proof....mine>>yours ime afraid ,but as interested as you are in striking up hostiltiy, ime not interested in such childish persuits, i come here to debate, so may i end the hostility you started myself, ime not replying to any queer hostility and this is my final word on this matter.

Originally posted by Burning thought
In icecrown there are the most obviously, that much is true, but the whole army of the scourge has set foot in both the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor.

According to you, all they’ve done is send in a “scout” force. You believe that they’ve not sent any “major” forces to either. Why are you contradicting yourself now.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Why would they be nonexcistent?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I called your several points illogical

Originally posted by Burning thought
The Vrykul :

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/dungeons/utgarde.xml
http://www.wowwiki.com/Vrykul

Originally posted by Burning thought
You just listed me all the places....thats a bit stupid isnt it lol....list me sources then listing them yourself...why do i need more? my point is proven and you agree with me, the Scourge are found throughout the world, the Glaciar simply holds the main Northrend groups.

No, they’re not; they’re found in Lordaeron and Quel’Thelas, and a single small instance in Kalimdor.
Two regions in close proximity of another, and a dungeon…I’m sure that constitutes as “throughout the entire world.”

Originally posted by Burning thought
I just told you like before how irrelvent they are. The breathing fire of flights is nothing to Malygos battle....he doesnt evne breath fire, he breathes something different. Youve quoted not Malygos attacking, but random dragons who breathe fire...which to me was irrelvent in the end anyway.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What? lol, he does, he plans on taking over all life, including the dragons and the [b]TITANS themselves:

The Lich King possesses untold power and an endless hatred for the living. The dwarven explorer, Brann Bronzebeard, has speculated that it is only a matter of time before the Lich King seeks to destroy or dominate all sapient life on Azeroth - not just the Alliance and Horde, but also the dragons and perhaps the titans themselves.

Brann bronzebeards speculation>>>>>yours[/b]

However….
“has speculated that it is only a matter of time before the Lich King seeks to destroy or dominate all sapient life on Azeroth”
“What? lol, he does, he plans on taking over all life, including the dragons and the TITANS themselves:”

Quite often in the World of Warcraft…..plans don’t always work out. Past and present.

And also, as I have said he challenged mortals, not Gods. Simply because he wants to take Gods on isn’t the same as actually challenging them to fight.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So thats the entire felhound army of the Burning legion, dont be ridiculous?

There was a cutscene in Warcraft III: RoC that showed a veritable carpet swarm of felhounds rushing over the land, under a burning red sky. It was when someone was describing the Legion to another, I cannot recall the exact campaign or who was narrating. It looked remarkably like a zergling rush.

Felhounds are not to be underestimated, a pack of them killed Ursoc (maybe Ursol, it was one of the bear twins) in but a few scant moments.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Just look at all the debates with utrigos, thats my proof....

Originally posted by Burning thought
mine>>yours ime afraid ,but as interested as you are in striking up hostiltiy, ime not interested in such childish persuits,

Good job, man. Good job.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i come here to debate, so may i end the hostility you started myself, ime not replying to any queer hostility and this is my final word on this matter.

Apparently not only Ushgarak agrees, but General Kaliero does as well.