In Warcraft it is. Projecting your mind is as magical as projecting fire, which is magical. Almost the entire world in Warcraft is based on magic. The skies and the water is magic. I don't nominate Malygos for the most powerful being on Azeroth without a reason.
Mental projection is magic. Mind control, mind blast, mind flay, mind blockade and all those abilities have always been considered magical. The reason Ysera had problem breaching Neltharion's mind was because of his high magical resistance.
As i said, ime not convinced until i see something official, as i said the mind just cannot be magical, projecting it cannot be either, controlling someones mind cannot be magic, a fireball, something that you use your energy/mana/magicka for can be magic, but the LK doesnt use energy to control undead or has never been stated to do so, no one in Warcraft afaik have actually said they will use mana/magicka to control a mind or send telekinetic projectiles.
It sounds daft and without logic to think the mind of all things or projection of it can be magic imo, ill simply w8 until proof of such can be found, if there is no proof then i will not see Mind powers as magic.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Vision
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Blast
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Control
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Soothe
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Flay
http://www.wowwiki.com/Gnomish_Mind_Control_Cap
http://www.wowwiki.com/Presence_of_Mind
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Quickening_Gem
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Mastery
http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcane_Mind
http://www.wowwiki.com/Focused_Mind_%28Priest%29
I can bring up more. All are referred to as magical. I can also bring it up from an official site, rather than WoWWiki if you want.
Originally posted by Becci
No, Lich King has never been stated to be more powerful than Kil'Jaeden. All he did was break out of Kil'Jaedens enslavement, but that has been done before in similar scenarios without having to be more powerful. Grom and Sylvanas to mention two.
Originally posted by DarkC
It was mentioned that Ner'Zhul "finally surpassed" Kil'Jaeden in power in the Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos game guide lore section.
Where did it say that? Because I just now read it trough and found nothing of such. What Lich King has done, was surpass the limitations that Kil'Jaeden thought he had set. He surpassed the power level Kil'Jaeden granted him and he grew powerful enough to break out of Kil'Jaedens grasp.
He has never been stated, in any official fictional or lore work- been stated to surpass Kil'Jaedens power.
Originally posted by Becci
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Vision
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Blast
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Control
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Soothe
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Flay
http://www.wowwiki.com/Gnomish_Mind_Control_Cap
http://www.wowwiki.com/Presence_of_Mind
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Quickening_Gem
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_Mastery
http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcane_Mind
http://www.wowwiki.com/Focused_Mind_%28Priest%29I can bring up more. All are referred to as magical. I can also bring it up from an official site, rather than WoWWiki if you want.
These are all World of Warcraft abilities with already attributed resitances, the mind powers are centered around shadow resistences so characters can resist, theres nothing about lore in there, your using WoW gameplay elements to back up your argument.
Also for some reason what Dark C says rings a bell, its prob Old lore thats been retconned however
Originally posted by Burning thought
These are all World of Warcraft abilities with already attributed resitances, the mind powers are centered around shadow resistences so characters can resist, theres nothing about lore in there, your using WoW gameplay elements to back up your argument.Also for some reason what Dark C says rings a bell, its prob Old lore thats been retconned however
It is not simply a gameplay "element". Mind projectiles are magical projectiles, but I will not bother trying to convince you about it anymore. It does not matter anyway, since Malygos will win before Lich King can deliver any damage.
If it rings a bell, please tell me where it is written, because it has not been mentioned once in anything I have ever read and I have read it all. That is the kind of thing I would remember.
well you can belive Malygos will win and ill belive LK will crush him into the dirt
As i said its prob been retconned from the Old lore, before your time which you seem to say never excisted so obviously you have not read it either that or Dark C has read something recently that i have forgotten as proof, if he has and can find it again i would appreciate it very much if he Pmed me the link or linked me to it in here myself.
with a superior force of magic, or simply use his mind to make Malygos deactivate it himself, or just Gib malygos into pieces the way Archimonde did to the dragon by clecnhing his hand. There are likely many many things LK could do, he may have some form of dispel, he may simply use curses, they can be put on a target during a shield, teh shield only stops damage but the curses may drain Malygos of power, weaken him to the strength and speed of a gnome and more.
Then maybe you didnt read it when it was released ,maybe the particulour information were talking about you did not read at the time it was there, either way you have not obviously read it or if you did, youve forgotten it. Thats the only explanation.
Superior force of magic? Are you listening to yourself. Sargeras himself barely had a portion of Norgannons magic. You expect Kil'Jaeden to have blessed Lich King to pantheon level? 😐
I have forgotten what exactly? Please tell me what it said. Because I am holding the game right here, reading it. Both an old version and a new one. I lost my first edition, so I recently bought myself a new one. I have read it, Burning Thought. You will have to tell me where exactly I am supposed to read.
He blessed him with enough to control all magic. That is all I have to know.
No, Malygos is not Pantheon level. He likely as close as it gets and definately the closest being there is to Pantheon level. Malygos is more magical than Kil'Jaeden. If you say Lich King so superiorly surpass Malygos, he pretty much near Pantheon level. It takes more than necromancy, frost and shadow magic to get near Pantheon level.
I do not think that is something you have ever read. Nor do I think it is something DarkC has ever read. I even have the collectors edition, so if you have any clue where I should read, please let me know.
well exactley, so you cannot compare Malygos or the level of power he gained immediatley to Pantheon level, since Maygos gained only a portion.
Ime not sure about that, I would say Kiljaeden is closer, and since i belive Lich King>Kiljaeden i would say LK is closer as well. Variety of magic as youve said before yourself is not always the way, a few extremely high quality powers beat quantity although i sitll do not concede to LK having definaltey just those schools of magic, and even if it is true, you can do an enormous amount with Frost, Shadow and Necromancy, LK may summon legions of Adult blue dragons and Dragon Liches to his aid through Necromancy, Necromancy can also include cripple to make Malygos useless, Shadow magic includes so many powers, even those that rip your soul from you.
Well Dark C says he has read it and it rings a bell with me so its likely to excist. I think it may have been the old lore on the WoW site before it was updated unless its in the Frozen throne manual.
I have:
RoC: Limited Edition Game Manual.
RoC: Original Game Manual
RoC: Game Strategy Guide
If it is not in one of those, let me know which one so I can order it, because I want them all. I have looked at Amazon, Ginza and CDON, but those three are the only RoC writings I can find.
Please tell me what I am supposed to search for.
If I understand you correctly BT then are you under the impression that Malygos haven't been expanding his power for more then 15.000 years? Which isn't correct.
You most certainly can however nearly all magic when boiled down to it's bone is arcane in origin, and I see no reason why Malygos wouldn't have the ability since a member of his dragon flight was shown using it, ONCE that was all a bit like Cenarius can control Arcane magic but hates using it because of it's corrupting energies. Well sure cast cripple on a Dragon that can cast dispel, great.
About what DarkC read I cannot comment on it since I have never read the book that is being mentioned.