Master Malygos Vs. Lich King

Originally posted by Burning thought
Malygos may be the master of magic on Azeroth, but ive seen no proof to state he is better at it in ever level, especially considering characters like Illidan have had many off-world powerups. Illidan may be a better mind protector than Malygos is, and protecting your mind or trciking another is not the same as being completly taken over.

I almost always talk out side gameplay mechanics, thats why undead>Humans in a real battle, you can chop them to bits or try and theyll still carry on not getting fatigued, not requiring nourishment to excist etc etc

your the one saying LK has shadow powers, which would include soul drain, is there an official sourece that states only warlocks can drain souls? I doubt there is, you dont have to be a Lich to use frost for example, mages can do that, or a fire elemental to shoot fireballs, LK has dark power, its likely he has soul devouring. Illidan is no warlock although he gained power from the skull of Guldan that merely made him a Demon entity, i dont remember it saying he actually gained warlock powers from it.

No, i cannot, like the whole of this theoretical debate, this is also theoretical, imo this thread itself fails terribly for the fact LK no matter how people whine about it has no real showings of power, especially at this period, he has simply shown masterminded genius, foresight and mental power, but I doubt that is the only powers he has at his current stage.

You are still protecting it from mind probing ore direct trying to posesses, like DarkC stated, the wards and shields that can be placed inside ones mind is raised magical, and not really seeing again how, since the wards and shields is magical and Illidan was during the war of the ancient far below Malygos when it comes to dealing with the matter of the Arcane. Also what actually supports that the Lich King can enter a mind easily can force it to do his bidding, if he could Arthas would had come to the Icecrown long ago, he would have made the Dreadlords his puppets, yet he didn't he only enslaved icetrolls (which are below there bretheren when it comes to intelligence) and other beasts.

Except that the Zombies are the canonfodder of the Scrouge I think that speaks quiet clearly for there abilities in combat. as a Hole sure Undead>Humans zombies however...

Well since It's a warlock spell I would highly suppose so it's fel Magic which is the difference between Frost fire wind etc which are elemental. Gul'dan was the most powerful none eredar warlock that has never existed, and Illidan gained his knowlegde and memories else the transformation wouldn't have happened if he had gained nothing from the encounter...

haha got you 😉 And agreed not much is known about except what can be concluded from the already known lore and gameplay concerning him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Then hes going to need the most powerful mind protection in the history of warcraft, personally, i think he would fail.

Because the Lich King is directly ripping into Malygos' head with the intent to destroy it

So did a simple being like Malfurion, with his mind under assault by a being far superior to him, Archimonde. He survived. Rhonin did as well. Both were simply rendered unconscious.

You're talking about a mind assault on one of the most powerful dragons there ever was, the complete and uncontested master of magic, against someone technically supposed to be equal to him in power. There is no way in hell that the Lich King is going to pull that mind assault off, and any consideration that he would manage to do something is just folly.

Originally posted by DarkC
So did a simple being like Malfurion, with his mind under assault by a being far superior to him, Archimonde. He survived. Rhonin did as well. Both were simply rendered unconscious.

You're talking about a mind assault on one of the most powerful dragons there ever was, the complete and uncontested master of magic, against someone technically supposed to be equal to him in power. There is no way in hell that the Lich King is going to pull that mind assault off, and any consideration that he would manage to do something is just folly.

I would like to believe that Malygos is the most powerful dragon there is. Neltharion with the Demon Soul obviously exceed, but that is not natural 😛

I would not bother trying to convince Burning Thought about it, since he obviously think Illidan is stronger than Malygos in magic and that Lich King is mentally stronger than Sargeras.

Nah, Deathwing's probably the strongest out of the dragons one to one, he was singled out and corrupted by the Old Gods.

To me there is a difference between being powerful and being dangerous. Neltharion would be more dangerous, but Malygos definately have more power 🙂

How exactly is Neltharion more "dangerous" then?

He did strike down the other flights quite handily. He held his own in the battle better than any of the other aspects would in direct combat. Malygos is the aspect of magic and his width and strength in magic is highly unchallenged by all other aspects.

My point is that even though you are the most powerful does not mean you are the greatest threat.

Interestingly enough, Krasus in the third WotA novel acknowledged Deathwing as being the most powerful Aspect anyways.

Null point.

If Malygos was the most powerful, the Old Gods would have corrupted him instead. Why would they have entrusted the crafting of the Demon Soul to Neltharion then?

Because Neltharion had better chances at pulling it off.

How?

Several reasons.

- The Black Flight is physically superior. By being as highly resistant to damage as they are and as physically strong can they resista ttacks that no other dragon would.

- The Black Flight is more agressive. Fury and power has a far higher efficiency if they are agressive, which has been seen at multiple occasions troughout Warcraft. Fury and agression is a mighty weapon.

- Neltharion personally was probably one of the dragon that was easiest to corrupt to begin with. Malygos is resistant to magic, Alexstasza is very noble at mind and soul, Nozdormu is not the easiest one to catch to begin with and Ysera.. well.. lets face it.. Ysera is not the one dragon of the five you would pick.

Nozdormu was easy to catch, the Old Gods got to him first before anything else in the first place, that's the entire reason behind the War of the Ancients trilogy, they reached into time and screwed him up and imprisoned him.

I wouldn't say that Neltharion is the easiest to corrupt, he was the wisest out of all the dragons before he got messed in the head. Remember, he's supposed to keep order in the land, and beings with a slow and easily influenced mind don't do well in that department.

How is the Black Dragonflight more "aggressive" as a trait? How are they more physically resilient than the other dragons, when Korialstrasz held his own against Deathwing in claws and teeth combat? They were only more aggressive towards everything after their corruption.

Originally posted by Becci
I would like to believe that Malygos is the most powerful dragon there is. Neltharion with the Demon Soul obviously exceed, but that is not natural 😛

I would not bother trying to convince Burning Thought about it, since he obviously think Illidan is stronger than Malygos in magic and that Lich King is mentally stronger than Sargeras.

He may be greater in mind power than Malygos, mind power does not equel magic imo

mentally stronger than Sargeras? ime not too knowledgable on whether or not Sargerus has used mind powers to control beings before, I know he has corrupted and possessed but no mind powers to my mind.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He may be greater in mind power than Malygos, mind power does not equel magic imo

mentally stronger than Sargeras? ime not too knowledgable on whether or not Sargerus has used mind powers to control beings before, I know he has corrupted and possessed but no mind powers to my mind.

And yes he has tried to use enticing mind powers on before, on Malfurion. Malfurion managed to resist it with a bit of difficulty.

But this does still say nothing for those who are completly taking your mind, defence against seduction is not the same as defence against complete take over imo.

enticing is not the same as compeltly taking over a mind, and LK entices many...only he succeeds every time to my knowledge...Arthas in a way but his soul was forfeit but Kelthuzard was enticed, he may have had a lot of interest in dark studies but it takes a lot of enticing to do what he wanted Kelth to do, look at Kelth now, once a great Dalaran Wizard, now a Lich of the undead who speaks of the LK like a God.

It's just one step further. Besides, we're talking a TITAN trying to mind control a mortal here, not one of similar power.

Like I said earlier, no way in hell that the Lich King will pull that one off.

"shrug" ill say as i said earlier ,LK blasts Malygos into pieces or overides Malygos' mind before he can even think of attempting to cast a spell and nothing says an Aspect is of similiar power to the Lich King

Out of everyone in the Warcraft universe, the being with the strongest ability to mind control is Ysera, and she can barely pull off her tricks on her fellow Aspects.

Lich King wouldn't be able to do much of anything; Malygos has been shown to project a big beam that is so purely destructive that it completely erases existence itself and leaves a white streak of nothingness behind.

Learn your lore.