Master Malygos Vs. Lich King

Started by Burning thought24 pages

Originally posted by Utrigita
You go into banished mode where you take much more punishment from magical attacks and cannot attack yourself great idea.

The rest is so unintelligent that it isn't even worth a reply, to even try and place the Lich King above Sargeras in any aspect must simply be the most ..... yes thing I have ever read so far.

Banished mode? going ethereal is not being banished, ethereal means your body will simply be moved through, hell he may do something else we dont know, he may have a shield to refelct said attack or simply teleport, I cant imagine the Lich King walks down the entire icecrown (or up) every time.

If you cannot debate your points then your no greater than Fascist crusader in this part of your post,same to you DarkC. Sargeras was defeated many times and has done no long lasting damage to Azeroth by himself, infact has he done anything? he is a useless planner, ending up in the void thanks to his stupid act of taking Mediv and he gained nothing, his avatar is destroyed, he is defeated, he may have had his days of being a Titan but being a titan is like being a God, infact less so sometimes in Warcraft which is simply a title, if youve seen WoWwiki if you like titles Lich King may be viable for "God" level.

A challenge rating of 26 higher is a joke imo, especialy to the "untouchable" level you seem to try and place Sarg

Originally posted by Burning thought
Banished mode? going ethereal is not being banished, ethereal means your body will simply be moved through, hell he may do something else we dont know, he may have a shield to refelct said attack or simply teleport, I cant imagine the Lich King walks down the entire icecrown (or up) every time.

If you cannot debate your points then your no greater than Fascist crusader in this part of your post,same to you DarkC. Sargeras was defeated many times and has done no long lasting damage to Azeroth by himself, infact has he done anything? he is a useless planner, ending up in the void thanks to his stupid act of taking Mediv and he gained nothing, his avatar is destroyed, he is defeated, he may have had his days of being a Titan but being a titan is like being a God, infact less so sometimes in Warcraft which is simply a title, if youve seen WoWwiki if you like titles Lich King may be viable for "God" level.

A challenge rating of 26 higher is a joke imo, especialy to the "untouchable" level you seem to try and place Sarg

Okay first of Ethereal isn't in warcraft what it is in LOK. In WoW it's a race of beings

http://www.wowwiki.com/Ethereal

Defeated many times? ONE TIME is all the times Sargeras has been defeated in combat and that was plot induced. His plan to take Medivh was brilliant, what he didn't count on was that Medivhs own personality would repel against him. His Avatar was defeated because he wanted it to be defeated. He was removed because it generally isn't a good idea to have such a powerful presence lurking in the shadows that was why he was killed off. But hey why take my words when you can get the writers word on the subject.

3. The phrase "Sargeras ceased to exist" confused many fans. Some think it means he died, while I interpreted it as he ceased to be in Azeroth and remains alive. Could you clear that up?

Knaak: Sargeras ceased to be in the sense of his physical being in the mortal world of Azeroth. He was cast into limbo, so to speak, as Blizzard wanted. Otherwise, he pretty much would have immediately returned to try to destroy Azeroth again. 'Ceased to be' was used specifically for that reason.

http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/176/

a challenge rate of 26 isn't what Sargeras has it's at 73 then add the 7 he gets for being a Eternal it's certainly better then the lich kings laughable 50 you are using as comparison, but hey it only makes the difference between them 30 in CR because the Lich King doesn't get those additionel stats because he ISN't a Eternal.

Originally posted by DarkC
He's comparing Sargeras to the Lich King now? 😆

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Originally posted by DarkC
He's comparing Sargeras to the Lich King now? 😆

Not exactly. What he said was that Sargeras is nothing on Lich King. Which in fact means that Burning Thought just declared Lich King to be among the top 5 most powerful beings in the universe.

I would be intrieged if you can find a quote of me saying he is "nothing" on the Lich King altho the Lich King could easily be in the top 5 most powerful beings int he universe, since he is stated to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe

Originally posted by Burning thought
I would be intrieged if you can find a quote of me saying he is "nothing" on the Lich King altho the Lich King could easily be in the top 5 most powerful beings int he universe, since he is stated to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe

The universe consist of billions of billions of billions creatures. Being "one of the most powerful beings in the universe" could just as well mean that he is in the top 1000. This combined with the fact that he is officially stated to be ONE of the most powerful beings currently on Azeroth. With that being stated, it does not even put him in the top 15 of the most powerful entities in the universe.

Oh and:

Originally posted by Burning thought
is prob nothing to the LK, after all his development i wouldnt be surprised if he could out mind power Sargerus, not to mention LK is peculier entitiy, being spectoral spirit/undead possessing entity.

You just said: Lich King > Sargeras

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Lich King is like a puppy compared to Sargeras.

A puppy? How dare you defile the name Sargeras by overrating the Lich King like that? 😐

You misunderstand me.

Probably. I have not slept well lately 😛

Burning Thought, a question: How reliable would you consider Korialstrasz's words? Do you consider him a smart, reliable character when it come to quotes, thoughts and opinions?

Originally posted by Becci
The universe consist of billions of billions of billions creatures. Being "one of the most powerful beings in the universe" could just as well mean that he is in the top 1000. This combined with the fact that he is officially stated to be ONE of the most powerful beings currently on Azeroth. With that being stated, it does not even put him in the top 15 of the most powerful entities in the universe.

Oh and:

You just said: Lich King > Sargeras

Not really, being one of the most powerful would mean he is among the main characters and among the most powerful, I dont think the billions of creatures are A: anything in power to be mentioned since they never posed a threat to the legion after all the planets the legion has come across, yet Azeroth has smoked two of its leaders , and no he is officialy stated to be among the most powerful in the warcraft universe.

No i didnt, i said his mind powers may>Sargerus

Originally posted by Becci
Burning Thought, a question: How reliable would you consider Korialstrasz's words? Do you consider him a smart, reliable character when it come to quotes, thoughts and opinions?

All character quotes are a little crooked but it depends a lot of things, the standing of the character, you would have to tell me the relationship with this character and the one its talking about, its overall intellectual idea on the thing in question, its circumstances at the time of saying it etc etc and prob a lot of other things like its behavior. He is a dragon so he is likely wise but it depends on subject and all these things.

And no Dark C, because the crack in that is that the LK is not a fool who gets smacked out of a guy he tries to possess and gets basically spat out into the void like a chump....LK is the guy whos basically conquering Azeroth....who failed at that? oh yeh, Kiljaeden, Sargerus, everyone else....LK has influeance almsot everwhere.

Are you really ignorant enough to claim that Lich King is in the same league as: Old Gods, Elune, Pantheon?

Originally posted by Burning thought
And no Dark C, because the crack in that is that the LK is not a fool who gets smacked out of a guy he tries to possess and gets basically spat out into the void like a chump....LK is the guy whos basically conquering Azeroth....who failed at that? oh yeh, Kiljaeden, Sargerus, everyone else....LK has influeance almsot everwhere.

Lich King has not failed yet because he has barely started. He had the advantage of starting on the inside, while Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde and Sargeras have had to work their way in there. He was handed Azeroth on a silver plate.

It took Archimonde days to lay waste to almost the entire planet. Lich King has been there for roughly fourty years and has only succeeded in getting himself a body and an army and still Azeroth stands.

Mannoroth almost laid waste to Azeroth in a few weeks (I think). Kil'Jaeden would conquer Azeroth within a month if he would succeed his entry. Lich King... again... has been there for roughly fourty years and is still just considered a minor problem compared to other issues.

In the War of the Ancients book, Korialstrasz quiver in fear that Deathwing might have returned. He is not even bothered by the threat known as Lich King. The undead troops are pathetic. We have seen a weakened blue dragon in human form take out hundreds in seconds. The same blue dragon that had problems with ONE demon.

Please do not tell me that you are stupid enough to think that the Burning Legion's defeat is not PIS. The only reason Lich King is still alive is because of the barrier that protect Azeroth. Ironicly enough is the barrier that is supposed to protect Azeroth from danger also protecting the villain inside the planet.

Had the barrier not been there, Azeroth would have been in ruins the second it was discovered by Sargeras. Had the barrier not been there, Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden would be able to come and go as they wanted. They would be able to launch a full-scale attack. Had the barrier not been there, Sargeras would have lived and he would with his pinky finger have slaughtered Lich King and everyone else that came in his way.

Originally posted by Becci
Are you really ignorant enough to claim that Lich King is in the same league as: Old Gods, Elune, Pantheon?

Lich King has not failed yet because he has barely started. He had the advantage of starting on the inside, while Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde and Sargeras have had to work their way in there. He was handed Azeroth on a silver plate.

It took Archimonde days to lay waste to almost the entire planet. Lich King has been there for roughly fourty years and has only succeeded in getting himself a body and an army and still Azeroth stands.

Mannoroth almost laid waste to Azeroth in a few weeks (I think). Kil'Jaeden would conquer Azeroth within a month if he would succeed his entry. Lich King... again... has been there for roughly fourty years and is still just considered a minor problem compared to other issues.

In the War of the Ancients book, Korialstrasz quiver in fear that Deathwing might have returned. He is not even bothered by the threat known as Lich King. The undead troops are pathetic. We have seen a weakened blue dragon in human form take out hundreds in seconds. The same blue dragon that had problems with ONE demon.

Please do not tell me that you are stupid enough to think that the Burning Legion's defeat is not PIS. The only reason Lich King is still alive is because of the barrier that protect Azeroth. Ironicly enough is the barrier that is supposed to protect Azeroth from danger also protecting the villain inside the planet.

Had the barrier not been there, Azeroth would have been in ruins the second it was discovered by Sargeras. Had the barrier not been there, Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden would be able to come and go as they wanted. They would be able to launch a full-scale attack. Had the barrier not been there, Sargeras would have lived and he would with his pinky finger have slaughtered Lich King and everyone else that came in his way.

Dont know about Elune, she would puncture a hole in probably anyone if she really tried, then again, who knows, I will not make that wild assumption until she is seen doing something, but i would certainly not say LK is above her.

Barely started? hes been there long enough to take out most of Azeroth, the whole world is almost in his grasp, he has an army that could easily march and take out the world, whats he waiting for? something special more likely, he probably sees the future events like chess pieces. Lich Kings major goal is not just to smash up Azeroth like the legion does want to, otherwise he would have already really won, single handedly (well with millions of undead but their basically all him) he has taken down human kingdoms, destroyed races, to think he has only just started is probably true, he doesnt need all the time Sarg and the legion would need, his plans are more fool proof and he has few fools anyway unlike the legion. No correction, Lich King handed the LEGION Azeroth on a silver plate after he had knocked it about....then they slipped and ended up knocking the plate over like a dufus and are now scratching like cats at the way in probably thinking the planet full of 2 inch tall pigmies they destroyed last time was a lot easier than Azeroth lol.

Lich King is not trying to destroy the whole of Azeroth, he is interested in ruling it, and hes not really made any real moves yet, hes just sending scourge scout parties here and there, and the places he has a major foothold in like the plaguelands he still has.....hes simply not throwing his weight yet.

Now see show me official information he is only a minor issue, he is the number one issue, the legion now are like scraps poking at a wall hoping characters like Kael will help them out, LK has his armies, ime pretty sure he is more than a minor issue, I would of thought even the fool without any idea of warcraft at all or had even seen the game before in their life could make that out just for the fact he has his own expansion pack.

Show me where he was not bothered. Whats funny is, are you talking about zombies this dragon is beating on? or the adult undead dragons the LK has already beaten and crushed and called up? lol

right i see, the Burning legion is PIS, ah well, if LK ever loses then for the whole might of the world against him its all PIS, he should just one hit the pantheon perhaps, then it wouldnt be PIS lol.....and not really, according to what? nothing is stopping the Lich King and whos going to stop him? Kiljaeden the other fool like most of these demons who gets thwarted in his major plans, the LK thwarted Killy once, he will do it again and again if the red hot chilli pepper could actually get into azeroth and not calling out for aid of mortals like a dog.

nice fanfiction but first Sargerus with his pinky? not really, the likelyness is that elune would just boot him out and then slap Archimonde and Kiljaeden across the atmosphere and out into the void. The barrier is irrelevent apart from the fact ofc the legion would need its whole might to do anything to Azeroth, the fools need their full power, obviously their number 2 Eredar was worthless, their main soldiers are power hungry fools while the LK calculates, then knocks all their plans down like Dominos. I think the Legion is lucky the barrier is up, otherwise the LK may actually be interested in knocking Kiljaeden into the ground for what hes done to him, which strangely enough gave him the incredible power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
nothing is stopping the Lich King and whos going to stop him?

Well 25 Heroes at level 80.

And all in Warcraft that has a higher rating in Challenge then him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well 25 Heroes at level 80.

And all in Warcraft that has a higher rating in Challenge then him.

Not necesserily, otherwise Malygos gets done in by the same, oh and Kiljaeden gets thwarted as well.

Wut lol?

There is a difference between defeatable and killable, where Kil'Jaeden is defeatable, (they most likely need him for another expansion later on) ore killable which I certainly hope the Lich King will be.

Well I though that when you used the Challenge Rate to Place the Lich King over Sargeras then I could use the Challenge Rating to but that isn't the case ore what?

My challenge stays the same.

I used the challenge rating to show he is on the same level basically in challenge apprently as Killy and that Sargerus for all his hot air is not so far away when you also comapre LK to elune who is at 92. Whats your hate with the LK? you want him to die in warcraft lol? "sigh" prob because you dont want him to thrash down your love of Kiljaeden later on. If he falls he will prob be by a NPC along with the characters, Elune or something.

but if you read the post (I can only hope you did "shrug"😉 you would find i said:

Originally posted by Burning thought
most sources no matter how low in feasability like the RP book usually say LK is higher in challenge etc to Archimonde and not far from Killy..

if you want to use low feasability as your main argument then you can all you like.

What Challenge BT?

You used the Challenge rate to try and justify the Lich King being on a higher level then Sargeras

A challenge rating of 26 higher is a joke imo, especialy to the "untouchable" level you seem to try and place Sarg

So don't come here with the Challenge Rate crying about how it work against you, because it was you that began using it.

What are you talking about. Elune holds the highest CR (92) in the RPG, Your Lich King holds a CR at 50 Archimonde holds one at 50 and Kil'Jaeden one at 59 then one ofcause most remember that Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde, Sargeras and Elune are Eternal and therefore gets a +7 to there challenge rate. Furthermore again Sargeras holds a CR at 73.

The Lich King are so far away from them in CR that he will need a ladder to get there.