Originally posted by DarkC
Nozdormu was easy to catch, the Old Gods got to him first before anything else in the first place, that's the entire reason behind the War of the Ancients trilogy, they reached into time and screwed him up and imprisoned him.
Didn't they "just" trap him between different timelines because of his near omnipresence?
Which made it possible for them to act without interferens in creating the rift in time and space.
Originally posted by DarkC
Out of everyone in the Warcraft universe, the being with the strongest ability to mind control is Ysera, and she can barely pull off her tricks on her fellow Aspects.Lich King wouldn't be able to do much of anything; Malygos has been shown to project a big beam that is so purely destructive that it completely erases existence itself and leaves a white streak of nothingness behind.
Learn your lore.
Learn your lore, learn that the current LK has not made any real moves yet, learn that.....show me your lore please that states the limit of the LK, show me what makes you belive he is unabalbe to do anything to Malygos?
LK is simply stated as one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth in one piece of info, and one of the most powerful beings ever in the Warcraft universe, I highly doubt he will be layed low by an aspect of any level, one of them would have already done it by now. Lore is nothing to do with it when your stating things like the level of the LK which is not in lore to the public yet.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Learn your lore, learn that the current LK has not made any real moves yet, learn that.....show me your lore please that states the limit of the LK, show me what makes you belive he is unabalbe to do anything to Malygos?
Has not made any real moves yet, expect for sending an invasion of his Undead army into the Eastern Kingdoms and sending a Necropolis with his Lieutenant in charge, yeah. Seemed to have missed out on that bit.
If he's going to be killable by a 25-man raid he's probably not as hyped up as you believe him to be. Malygos knows more about the workings of magic, and he's MUCH more experienced with it than the Death Knight/Lich despite his power level. Remember, the dragon's an Aspect, he has more than 10,000 years of knowledge of his magical craft. He can counter ANYTHING, unless the magic is written against him (which he must contribute or consent to in the first place anyways).
Originally posted by Burning_thought
LK is simply stated as one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth in one piece of info, and one of the most powerful beings ever in the Warcraft universe, I highly doubt he will be layed low by an aspect of any level, one of them would have already done it by now. Lore is nothing to do with it when your stating things like the level of the LK which is not in lore to the public yet.
The dragons, notoriously lazy on major issues concerning their own world just like the demigods of Azeroth are too, generally don't get majorly involved with things. They sometime disperse agents here and there to keep an eye on things (Korialstrasz, Vaelastrasz and Kalecgos, for example) but the Aspects themselves almost never get personally involved, not unless they're certain their world is under immediate threat of imminent destruction (like the first invasion of the Burning Legion, which is the only time they got majorly involved).
Since Arthas/Ner'Zhul is content to sit on his ass on his Frozen Throne in Northrend for the moment, the Aspects also sit on their asses too and not do a thing about it, trusting to the mortal races to restore order like they always have.
Originally posted by DarkC
Has not made any real moves yet, expect for sending an invasion of his Undead army into the Eastern Kingdoms and sending a Necropolis with his Lieutenant in charge, yeah. Seemed to have missed out on that bit.If he's going to be killable by a 25-man raid he's probably not as hyped up as you believe him to be. Malygos knows more about the workings of magic, and he's MUCH more experienced with it than the Death Knight/Lich despite his power level. Remember, the dragon's an Aspect, he has more than 10,000 years of knowledge of his magical craft. He can counter ANYTHING, unless the magic is written against him (which he must contribute or consent to in the first place anyways).
Funny how you tell me to learn my lore.
The dragons, notoriously lazy on major issues concerning their own world just like the demigods of Azeroth are too, generally don't get majorly involved with things. They sometime disperse agents here and there to keep an eye on things (Korialstrasz, Vaelastrasz and Kalecgos, for example) but the Aspects themselves almost never get personally involved, not unless they're certain their world is under immediate threat of imminent destruction (like the first invasion of the Burning Legion, which is the only time they got majorly involved).
Since Arthas/Ner'Zhul is content to sit on his ass on his Frozen Throne in Northrend for the moment, the Aspects also sit on their asses too and not do a thing about it, trusting to the mortal races to restore order like they always have.
No he has not made any real move, you think their extremely terrible moves? he himself has done nothing but sit, you can hardly state whether he can or cannot do something then tell me I need to read lore when the character i theorised into doing something is not even in lore which makes your comment nothing.
Malygos is also attackable by a 25 man raid, go figuire......seems you dont know a great deal on warcraft, and ofc, Malygos is before LK so going by your logic, he is even weaker.
Regardless of Magic, the LK may not use magic to destroy the dragon if they fought.
Its not that funny, you need to read thorugh and realise the current LK has not made major battle if any at all by himself. Only then will you realise that saying I need to read lore because of it is nonsense.
Exactley ,Demi gods of Azeroth like the Lich King are seeminly lazy which is prob why hes done nothing yet, however he is the number one threat of Azeroth at this moment, and with that in mind, the dragons should indeed if they are capable at all should do something about it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No he has not made any real move, you think their extremely terrible moves? he himself has done nothing but sit, you can hardly state whether he can or cannot do something then tell me I need to read lore when the character i theorised into doing something is not even in lore which makes your comment nothing.
Me, on the other hand, I'm basing my arguments upon things that HAVE been shown in the lore or novels or games, for that matter.
Judging by you calling me out on lore-specifics, I'm not even sure why you're bringing it up here if it's contradicting your own argument utterly.
Go figure.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Malygos is also attackable by a 25 man raid, go figuire......seems you dont know a great deal on warcraft, and ofc, Malygos is before LK so going by your logic, he is even weaker.
Since when was Malygos attackable? To the best of my knowledge he himself, nor any of the other aspects, has even made an APPEARANCE in World of Warcraft.
Are you sure you're not being mistaken by Azuregos? Kalecgos, maybe?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Regardless of Magic, the LK may not use magic to destroy the dragon if they fought.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Exactley ,Demi gods of Azeroth like the Lich King are seeminly lazy which is prob why hes done nothing yet, however he is the number one threat of Azeroth at this moment, and with that in mind, the dragons should indeed if they are capable at all should do something about it.
The dragons do respect the mortal races and for the most part leave them to restore order when needed. The second time that the Burning Legion came, with the Scourge added in, the mortal races managed to band together and drive off the threat as one without the aid of dragons. Not to mention Ahn'Qiraj.
No wonder the Aspects just sit and go "We'll just let them do all the work, they're doing a pretty good job so far."
Originally posted by DarkC
Exactly, you're theorising moves that you THINK he can do, that he HASN'T been shown to do. Ever.Me, on the other hand, I'm basing my arguments upon things that HAVE been shown in the lore or novels or games, for that matter.
Judging by you calling me out on lore-specifics, I'm not even sure why you're bringing it up here if it's contradicting your own argument utterly.
Go figure.
When the hell was the last time you played WoW?
Since when was Malygos attackable? To the best of my knowledge he himself, nor any of the other aspects, has even made an APPEARANCE in World of Warcraft.
Are you sure you're not being mistaken by Azuregos? Kalecgos, maybe?
Mind attacks are not going to work either.
Yeah, he's the #1 POTENTIAL threat to Azeroth at the moment. He hasn't actually done anything yet, that's why everyone is sitting on their asses still. There is a difference.
The dragons do respect the mortal races and for the most part leave them to restore order when needed. The second time that the Burning Legion came, with the Scourge added in, the mortal races managed to band together and drive off the threat as one without the aid of dragons. Not to mention Ahn'Qiraj.
No wonder the Aspects just sit and go "We'll just let them do all the work, they're doing a pretty good job so far."
Thats because thats the only possible outcome, you can only theorise moves from a being who is only theory, which is why as i said before, this thread fails just like any other LK thread including the ones ive made.
Which has not been shown from the LK.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Malygos#Wrath_of_the_Lich_King
Tigole recently confirmed at the gaming convention in Leipzig that level 80 raid players will be able to face Malygos in his inner sanctum, the Nexus. This would make him the first Aspect to appear in World of Warcraft, and also the first to be fought by players.[3] Because killing an Aspect may have unforseen consequences, it is unclear whether or not Malygos will be killable, or simply defeatable.
also its funny how you mention him not being in it, yet then you realise he is in the Nexas instance lol, classic...
Because he is part of the initiual fighting in a realm that is open from the beginning of the game, Dalaren are fighting Malygos and his servants early in the ROTLK
The Nexus will be a dungeon in Northrend upon the release of World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King. On the Games Convention Tigole confirmed that there will be two 5 man dungeons and a Raid where you encounter Malygos.[1] To enter the instance before level 77 players must first do a quest line for a Red Dragon who then flies you to the entrance. [2] There will be two five man instances, The Nexus (Ice Caverns) for level 71-73 players and The Oculus (Magic Rings) which will be for level 80 players. An unamed raid wing featuring Malygos as the final boss will also be present.
from here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Nexus#Wrath_of_the_Lich_King
if you dont like WoWwiki, the very Wowwiki artcile shows you official site info, ime sure i dont have to personally Link you to the official site.....its not hard to find
Originally posted by Burning_thought
also its funny how you mention him not being in it, yet then you realise he is in the Nexas instance lol, classic...
Even if Arthas IS technically the endgame boss, it has no real standing in his power among other bosses in WoW.
Lore-wise, C'Thun should be able to school Arthas. Old God > Merged Entity.
Lore-wise, Kalecgos would get his ass kicked by Nafarian. Eldest son of Deathwing > Young progeny of Malygos.
Lore-wise, Kel'Thuzad should be able to own Bloodboil. Senior Lich > Crazed fel orc.
See what I mean?
Originally posted by Burning thought
......seems you dont know a great deal on warcraft
That made my day 😆
You have not even read the books, Burning Thought. You are in no position to say DarkC does not know lore when all you do is base your opinions on WoWWiki and briefings that you just happpen to stumble over on the internet.
Have you even read one single page of an official Warcraft book? You must have, because only then can you start debating the power the aspects.
I do not know how many times this has to be said, but I will say it again to clear things up for you: WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS A DISGRACE TO LORE AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN IN AS AN OFFICIAL SOURCE OF CHARACTER POWER!
You for crying out loud defeat Dar'Khan at level 20. DAR'KHAN! The guy who mindcontroled Korialstrasz and defeated several blue dragons by himself.
Kael'Thas is a 5-man party. Lady Vashj, Illidan, Archimonde, Zul'Jin and many more are 25-man raids. The shade of Aran is 10-man raid. Ragnaros, C'Thun, Kel'Thuzad, Nefarion, Sapphiron, Thunderaan, Vek'Nilash, Tyrande are 40-man raid Pre-TBC.
WoW is not a valid proof of power. Just because you fight Malygos before you fight Lich King does not make him weaker. You for crying out loud get the assistance of ALEXSTRASZA in the fight against Malygos 😐
Originally posted by DarkC
Funny how you don't seem to realize that I was referring to in-game content already OUT and RELEASED, which is what you were referring to earlier.Even if Arthas IS technically the endgame boss, it has no real standing in his power among other bosses in WoW.
Lore-wise, C'Thun should be able to school Arthas. Old God > Merged Entity.
Lore-wise, Kalecgos would get his ass kicked by Nafarian. Eldest son of Deathwing > Young progeny of Malygos.
Lore-wise, Kel'Thuzad should be able to own Bloodboil. Senior Lich > Crazed fel orc.See what I mean?
I was creating an opponent to your point about lvl 25 against the LK, who is not in the game either 🙄
In WoW the end game boss is the hardest boss, and not only that but he is going to be the final patch boss apprently, like Kiljaeden is prob the final patch boss in TBC
And no, C'Thun is a crippled old God avatar, normal Arthas defeats that thing that "could" and "looks" like an old God of C'thuns standard in TFH.
but as ive said before, WoW logic is useless in these debates but i dont remember bringing it into the debate either
Originally posted by Becci
That made my day 😆You have not even read the books, Burning Thought. You are in no position to say DarkC does not know lore when all you do is base your opinions on WoWWiki and briefings that you just happpen to stumble over on the internet.
Have you even read one single page of an official Warcraft book? You must have, because only then can you start debating the power the aspects.
I do not know how many times this has to be said, but I will say it again to clear things up for you: [b]WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS A DISGRACE TO LORE!
You for crying out loud defeat Dar'Khan at level 20. DAR'KHAN! The guy who mindcontroled Korialstrasz and defeated several blue dragons by himself. [/B]
no i base my opinion on the official site, the lore you speak of, the books are extensions of events already clearly stated, there is no in-depth Lich King lore and for your information i do indeed have and have read several books, one of them although the name escapes me is about the guardians and Aegewyn and another was perhaps the tides of Darkness, but ive not read those you have read, just like you have not seen the old lore it seems.
unforatley for you however, you throw together a few assumptions still so obviously the lore is not as useful to you in this debate as you would belive.
Also clear things up for me? you dont read my posts otherwise you would not see that I state that myself many times....please read my posts otherwise your just throwing down assumptions.
I bought myself all the Warcraft books today 😄 It was such a long time since I read them so I have forgotten most stuff. Once I am done with the book, my knowledge will be renewed 😛
One thing I was just reminded about the Aspects (Which is the reason I am writing all this in this thread to begin with) is that Krasus is thousands of times less powerful than an aspect. He is stated to be in actual magical power dwarfed thousands fold when compared to Nozdormu in actual magic.
Nozdormu's magic is barely anything compared to Malygos magical level. This gives you an idea of how powerful Malygos actually is. If Illidan can create a mental barrier to shield himself from Sargeras and Illidan's powers is barely existant compared to Krasus powers, and Krasus compared to Nozdormu is an even larger gap than Illidan and Krasus (By far), and Malygos is Nozdormu superior in actual magic- you should have at least a minor idea of what level of power Malygos mental barrier would be at.
Because he says so himself in the warcraft trilogy perhaps... Perhaps because magic isn't and have never been Nozmordu's area of interest... Illidan stopped Sargeras from knowing his true intentions, ergo stopping Sargeras from entering his Mind. The Mind the Lich King would have to enter too, which is protected by numerous magical barriers. He can break them down sure but it takes time, and imo it's time he doesn't have.
I find it hard to belive he says directly "Ime nothing compared to Malygos' magic", its belivable he is beaten in magic obviously, but still.
"shrug" i just dont think it will take half as long as you belive, hes just such a powerful mind projecter and I doubt Malygos will be able to do any real damage to LK, i highly doubt he is a pushover in endurance.
No he just said in the sundering I believe (but not sure could have been the day of the dragon) that Malygos command of magic is beyond his own ore something along that line, I will admit that I cannot produce a quote from the books simply because I don't own them personally I have borrowed them all from the Library and read them a couple of times so...
In comparison to Sargeras, the Lich king is and excuse my language a piece of shit in all aspects. DarkC have already mentioned what kind of Blast Malygos can produce, and I don't quiet see the Lich King as being very quick.
who knows what the Lich King has, nobody, for all we know he can go ethereal using shadow powers, he may do something completly unexpected.
And how do you know that? Sargerus just because hes a Titan? he is not as powerful as people often try and overhype him to be, he can destroy worlds but not with one hit of his hand like some entities in fiction, Eredar with praramount spells can slowly destroy worlds as well, but weve seen them go down and most sources no matter how low in feasability like the RP book usually say LK is higher in challenge etc to Archimonde and not far from Killy.
Sargerus power imo in mind attacks is prob nothing to the LK, after all his development i wouldnt be surprised if he could out mind power Sargerus, not to mention LK is peculier entitiy, being spectoral spirit/undead possessing entity.
Originally posted by Burning thought
who knows what the Lich King has, nobody, for all we know he can go ethereal using shadow powers, he may do something completly unexpected.And how do you know that? Sargerus just because hes a Titan? he is not as powerful as people often try and overhype him to be, he can destroy worlds but not with one hit of his hand like some entities in fiction, Eredar with praramount spells can slowly destroy worlds as well, but weve seen them go down and most sources no matter how low in feasability like the RP book usually say LK is higher in challenge etc to Archimonde and not far from Killy.
Sargerus power imo in mind attacks is prob nothing to the LK, after all his development i wouldnt be surprised if he could out mind power Sargerus, not to mention LK is peculier entitiy, being spectoral spirit/undead possessing entity.
You go into banished mode where you take much more punishment from magical attacks and cannot attack physically yourself great idea.
The rest is so unintelligent that it isn't even worth a reply, to even try and place the Lich King above Sargeras in any aspect must simply be the most ..... yes thing I have ever read so far.
Except one thing if you use Challenge rate then please please look at the Lich King at challenge rate 50 and Sargeras at 73 secondly the Lich King isn't a Eternal which means that you can forget about adding a challenge rate at +7 to him, and it only serves to make the gap between Sargeras and the Lich King bigger to please use the RPG as a foundemant on which to built that theory.