Ultimate Cap vs 616 Spider-Man

Originally posted by ankur29
you'll actually find a a car weights 1(hatchbacK) - 2 tons(saloons) , 2 tosn is an unusual heavy car , really heavy SUVs are about 3 tons and hummers /arry H2's are 4 tons tops

ult spidey is able to lift about 5 tons now (as 616 spidey was able to when he first received his powers and became class 10 upon raching adulthood as will ult spidey ) and ult cap is able to lift 2 tons tops ......

but ult cap if better/as good a fighter as 616 cap will win

I dunno man 616 Cap can lift 2 tons.....

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dunno man 616 Cap can lift 2 tons.....

really , thats more than blade can(1 ton) and is greatly superhuman , i thought cap coudl press lift 800lbs , and bench 500kg?

Originally posted by ankur29
really , thats more than blade can(1 ton) and is greatly superhuman , i thought cap coudl press lift 800lbs , and bench 500kg?

Handbooks are crap. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Handbooks are crap. 😬

well based on handbooks ult cap can lift 2 tons and ult spidey should do a good 5 tons ......so we can scale that up proptionally by comics book feat standards , still ult spidey still stronger than ult cap

Originally posted by ankur29
well based on handbooks ult cap can lift 2 tons and ult spidey should do a good 5 tons ......so we can scale that up proptionally by comics book feat standards , still ult spidey still stronger than ult cap

LOL that probably means ULT Cap can lift 5 tons.

ultimate cap 7/10

No way.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No way.

Oh, I missed a point

ultimate cap 8/10

Corrected.

Oh its you...thought you were somebody else for a moment.

To be honest this thread is going no where, our opinions aren't going to change, if they fight 10 times then i'll call it 5/5

We have to look at the big picture...

Spiderman takes this because .. double cheese , pepperonni, green peppers and a garlic herb dip.

And because Wood Pigeons mate for life.

/Thread!

Originally posted by Daredevil1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=10648636

LOL this link actually helps worsen your case especially with Wasp calming him down.

So they acknowledge he seems to get stronger. That mean they noticed he was at a weaker level with U.Cap. And he got much stronger with his fight with U.Thor.

The more we talk about U.Cap feat with U.Hulk the lesser impressive it becomes.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also here something I noticed in this thread.

All the U.Cap supporter are using Spiderman encounter with his street giving him problems therefore U.Cap wins.

LOL and here's that logic down the toilet U.Cap vs Hawkowl

Again this shows as stated in the scans he had a small-edge on a regular human Hawk-owl who was giving him loads of problems.

And you still haven't shown a single god damn scan that shows Spidey to be greatly superior to Ult. Cap's scans. It must make you so annoyed that I've asked it for half a dozen pages going and you can't produce. And you still haven't touched half of Ult. Cap's feats because you know you can't.

Originally posted by ankur29
well based on handbooks ult cap can lift 2 tons and ult spidey should do a good 5 tons ......so we can scale that up proptionally by comics book feat standards , still ult spidey still stronger than ult cap

Oh and thanks, Darth Fury, for pointing out with your scans, that Herr Kleiser was actually throwing military trucks at Ult. Hulk and not smashing a jeep onto him as I originally remembered. You'd think these guys would get the point from all these scans and feats that Spiderman's strength level is really not a problem for Ult. Cap to deal with? But you're right, no such luck.

Ult. Cap 6/10. On-panel feats speak volumes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh and thanks, Darth Fury, for pointing out with your scans, that Herr Kleiser was actually throwing military trucks at Ult. Hulk and not smashing a jeep onto him as I originally remembered. You'd think these guys would get the point from all these scans and feats that Spiderman's strength level is really not a problem for Ult. Cap to deal with? But you're right, no such luck.

Ult. Cap 6/10. On-panel feats speak volumes.

He was throwing military trucks? For starters didnt he throw just one at Ult Hulk. Apparently this is what one of them weighs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M35A2

The M35 family of trucks is a long-lived vehicle initially deployed by the United States Army, and subsequently utilized by many nations around the world. A truck in the 2 1/2 ton weight class,

Looks like you got nothing again. *shrug*

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You have got your logic so backwards, it pains me to read your posts. Of course he was stronger later on in the battle you numbnuts. I was the one who point it out! Which, of course, comitantly means he was weaker earlier on in the battle. But guess what? Ult. Hulk was STILL strong enough to tear through a reinforced tank RIGHT at the moment Ult. Cap takes it to him with his punches and kicks. So no matter what loopy logic you use to argue that Ult. Hulk had "his strength sucked away by Ult. Wasp," he's STILL strong enough to rip apart a tank.
So we have the Ult. version of Batman taking on Ult. Cap. And Ult. Cap is actually winning the battle without his shield. Hmmm. You want to use low feats? No problem. Spidey has had worse performances against street levelers than Ult. Cap has. Bottom-line. He also has had worse performances against human opponents with no super strength or durability. Tombstone, BEFORE he got his powers, beats on 616 Spidey in Spectacular Spiderman #142. Daredevil has knocked out a bloodlusted symbiote Spidey. Punisher has famously embarassed 616 Spidey as well. And Red Skull straight up embarassed Spidey BEFORE he received 616 Cap's cloned body. It's funny how every new point you try to bring up... you just keep digging your position into a further hole.

And you still haven't shown a single god damn scan that shows Spidey to be greatly superior to Ult. Cap's scans. It must make you so annoyed that I've asked it for half a dozen pages going and you can't produce. And you still haven't touched half of Ult. Cap's feats because you know you can't.
What handbook are you talking about? The 2005 Handbook on the Ultimate universe places him at Strength Level Four and never limits his max strength to 2 tons. It is the only entry that I know of for his character. But I've always hated handbooks also, so I've never bothered to use that crap. Just to let you know:

In the 1st fight against 'human' Tombstone, Lonnie inexplicably got the jump on Pete but even after beating him with a piece of scaffolding, Tombstone quickly finds himself very. VERY badly outmatched. Spidey effortlessly beath Lonnie to a pulp.
When Daredevil knocked out a bloodlusted 'symbiote' Spiderman, Spidey was in a highly upset state, swinging wild. Daredevil himself stated that if Spiderman wasn't careless with anger he (DD) would be finished. And that wasn't the symbiote he was wearing (the symbiote never enhanced Spiderman's abilities in 616 continuity) but a cloth version of the symbiote costume
As for the other examples, they're low showings. Spiderman has been around 46 years (real time) so he will have low showing from time to time. Utl.Cap has been around about 5 minutes in comparison

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He was throwing military trucks? For starters didnt he throw just one at Ult Hulk. Apparently this is what one of them weighs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M35A2

The M35 family of trucks is a long-lived vehicle initially deployed by the United States Army, and subsequently utilized by many nations around the world. A truck in the[B] 2 1/2 ton weight class,

Looks like you got nothing again. *shrug* [/B]

And on this topic, throwing 7-8 tons at someone means you can probably max lift a lot more. I mean... if I can max lift 180 lbs... do you really think I can throw it at someone? You have worked out with weights before right? I can max lift 180 lbs. But I can't even throw a 20 lbs dumbell very far with both of my hands. I might be able to throw a 10 lbs weight. So you're talking... what? Maybe a 1:20 ratio between your ability to throw something that far and your max lifting ability? Let's just vastly diminish that and argue 1:10 to compensate for scale economics. So for Herr Kleiser, it'd be 7 tons throwing : 70 tons max lifting. Makes sense to me that he is that strong, considering he can survive being impaled by a crashing fighter jet, fights with Ult. Hulk, etc.

Remember that Spiderman scan of throwing a jeep? A Jeep Grand Cherokee is what... 2 tons? Taking a 1:10 ratio to account for scale economics, that puts him at 2 tons throwing : 20 tons lifting. Now I know he can lift 25 tons. I'm just illustrating a point.

And even past that, we don't even know if that's Herr Kleiser's limit. Who knows how far he could throw the damn thing. Remember how you guys jump all over me about how Ult. Hulk was taking a beating and was "supposedly weaker?" Yeah well... Herr Kleiser had already took one hell of a beating when he managed that throw. So when he was fighting Ult. Cap, he must have been stronger by your standards, right?

I mean... look here too. He completely wrecks and sends this reinforced steel door flying with his two bare hands from a standing position like it's nothing. He's pretty strong man, he is definitely not a mere 4-5 tonner:

Originally posted by BUSTER1
In the 1st fight against 'human' Tombstone, Lonnie inexplicably got the jump on Pete but even after beating him with a piece of scaffolding, Tombstone quickly finds himself very. VERY badly outmatched. Spidey effortlessly beath Lonnie to a pulp.
When Daredevil knocked out a bloodlusted 'symbiote' Spiderman, Spidey was in a highly upset state, swinging wild. Daredevil himself stated that if Spiderman wasn't careless with anger he (DD) would be finished. And that wasn't the symbiote he was wearing (the symbiote never enhanced Spiderman's abilities in 616 continuity) but a cloth version of the symbiote costume
As for the other examples, they're low showings. Spiderman has been around 46 years (real time) so he will have low showing from time to time. Utl.Cap has been around about 5 minutes in comparison

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your characterizations are fair and logical. Ult. Cap has one "low showing" in the 6 years he's existed. Spiderman has about half a dozen in his 46 years (trust me, mine is NOT an exhaustive list, that was off the top of my head). If you want to talk about a proper ratio of low showings, then by all means. They're pretty even in that respect. But considering that Ult. Hawkowl is the Ult. analogue of Batman, and Ult. Cap is trying to recruit him, and he doesn't have his shield and he actually is beating Ult. Hawkowl... I just really don't understand how you guys are holding it against Ult. Cap. Especially when the level of foes he has consistently been put up against is much stronger and more durable than 616 Spidey.

good post

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your characterizations are fair and logical. Ult. Cap has one "low showing" in the 6 years he's existed. Spiderman has about half a dozen in his 46 years (trust me, mine is NOT an exhaustive list, that was off the top of my head). If you want to talk about a proper ratio of low showings, then by all means. They're pretty even in that respect. But considering that Ult. Hawkowl is the Ult. analogue of Batman, and Ult. Cap is trying to recruit him, and he doesn't have his shield and he actually is beating Ult. Hawkowl... I just really don't understand how you guys are holding it against Ult. Cap. Especially when the level of foes he has consistently been put up against is much stronger and more durable than 616 Spidey.

So lets forget about Spidey vs Firelord-only his low showings matter

So lets forget about Ult. Cap vs Ult. Juggernaut-only his low showings matter.

What are we even talking about? I didn't bring up the subject of low showings. Daredevil1 brought up low showings for Ult. Cap. And then I countered that 616 Spidey has got them himself. I never postulated using low showings as a basis in this thread whatsoever until people started using them against Ult. Cap. Are you confusing me with someone else again? 😬