OneDumbG0
Find Your Own Fire
If you're talking about the mind-f'ed Iron Man and the Cap who is rolling with the blows feat, then you really are reaching even further. You can't roll with a blow when you're getting double-fist pounded into the ground by a class 100+. And yet again, you still dodge the obvious question... "Is 616 Spidey vastly superior to Ult. Cap physically?" All you have to do is show me strength, durability and stamina feats that clearly and utterly surpass Ult. Cap's. And I will concede that 616 Spidey would handily beat Ult. Cap. That's it! That's all! I've asked for this, what.... 8 times in this thread?! You guys earn yourself a B+ in dodging. That's for utter persistency, whether or not it is laced with ignorance. If the dodging wasn't so obvious to everyone else reading this thread, you might get a A-.
The fact is, you guys have tried undermining the Ult. Hulk fight, the weight room scene, the Ult. Spiderman wrestling scene, the Ult. Goblin fight, the Ult. Juggernaut feat, the tree feat, the Ult. Abom feat, etc. And while you make points that are arguable, they are strained. So strained: "Oh Ult. Wasp sucked all the strength away from Ult. Hulk, even though he's ripping through a reinforced tank," "Oh, Ult. Cap works out with small weights, even though he articulates the reason why he's there and a regular neighborhood gym would never be equipped with heavier weight," "Oh, Ult. Spiderman wasn't really wrestling despite the clear depiction of them struggling, straining and kicking up turf against each other," "Oh, Ult. Juggernaut shouldn't be knocked out, SHIELD agents must have subdued him another way, completely ignoring the fact that Ult. Cap sends him flying through a wall anyway," "Oh, that tree doesn't look to weigh more than a ton even though it's completely crushing a military truck and it's width is wider than 3 men," "Oh, Ult. Abom never really hit Ult. Cap, even though that's exactly what's on-panel, he must have been going easy on him." All these feats are more easily explained as they are illustrated for what they are.
Past these ridiculous excuses you guys offer, you guys haven't even touched the the Herr Kleiser fight, the 600 ft drop feat, the tetradotoxin feat, the kicking the crap out of SHIELD supersoldiers feat while poisoned, or the wrestling away from Chinese supersoldiers feat. You can't come up with a single feat scan that shows 616 Spidey to be clearly superior than ANY of Ult. Cap's. You show comparable scans and that's it. You keep trying to dodge and say, oh well, 616 Cap has comparable scans... but 616 Cap really doesn't have comparable scans and even if he does, THAT IS COMPLETELY BESIDES THE POINT. You guys have failed on every level to show that 616 Spidey is clearly and vastly superior to Ult. Cap, physically speaking. 616. Spidey is neither vastly superior in strength, not vastly superior in stamina, nor vastly superior in durability (ESPECIALLY durability).
If he is not clearly physically superior, then they rival each other physically. And when you add in a vastly superior tactical mind, arguably better fighting skills and a play-dirty-for-keeps attitude for Ult. Cap, then it starts looking bad for 616 Spidey, despite his webs. It's that simple. You want to rebut this argument, then show me scans where 616 Spidey is clearly vastly his physical superior. 616 Spidey. 616 Spidey. 616 Spidey. I'll say it one more time to get it through to you guys, 616 Spidey.
On the last point, Ult. Thor got beat by a Ult. Hulk who was further enraged. One thing that is able to knock him out the first time, would be insufficient the next, if his anger pumped up his strength. If you reread Ultimates #5, you would know that Ult. Hulk kept getting stronger and stronger the more he became agitated. I mean... they say that on-panel. You're not ignorant. You know as god damn well as I do that Ult. Hulk's strength and power fluctuates massively between panels:
