Ultimate Cap vs 616 Spider-Man

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im reading Ultimates issue 13 (good stuff by the way). Cap has basically got gripped up by Ult Hulk and he wasn't able to do anything about it. Ult Hulk then proceeds to kick the crap out of Herr Keilser (whatever his names is) a guy who Cap couldn't beat even with Nick Fury's help.

Did Dumb say something like Herr Keliser went toe-to-toe with Ult Hulk, because all I can see is Keisler getting the crap beaten out of him. This indicates that when Ult Cap fought Hulk he was weaker.

Nick fury helped him. But U.Cap also had help from a Jet ramming into Herr Kleiser and exploding on him.

I've pretty much shown that U.Cap is no match for U.Hulk here.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
U.Cap is yelling squelling like a girl at the end of that scan. And thats supposed to prove he wins..........LOL

These U.Cap fans crack me up.

The rest of that fight. Notice U.Thor has to save U.Cap. "shruggs"
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p161ts.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Ultimate%20Captain%20America/5-vstheHulk5.jpg
Here's there rematch notice U.Cap gets treated like a insignificant fly.
http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p214tz.jpg

And the U.Cap can go toe to toe with U.Hulk myth has ended.

Even with U.Cap's fight with U.Thor no wear did it show U.Cap being in the same class or implying he can go toe to toe with him. They even said they need to save U.Cap in that one. And mostly U.Cap had to play it safe and use a flame thrower IIRC.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did I say that Kingpin has beaten Spiderman loads of times?
Does it hurt to embarass yourself on a post-by-post basis? Because it's starting to hurt just watching you spout off stuff like 616 Cap one-shots Korvac, or Ult. Abom never really hits Ult. Cap or that Ult. Wasp flashing Ult. Hulk sucks all of Ult. Hulk's strength away. Bejeezus. Reality check please. You act as if Ult. Cap used to beat you up in school or something. Calm down, kid.

LOL At least I admitted to my mistake of him one shotting Korvak.

Korvak actually admitted Cap hurt him which is still a impressive feat in itself, despite the circumstances.

I see you embarrassed yourself claiming U.Cap one shotted U.Juggs without it even being shown and with circumstantial gas being arount to boot. LOL

And again you lie about my posts no were did I say U.Abom didn't hit U.Cap it just doesn't appear to be a solid hit as his fists don't even look to be touching U.Cap's face.

Wasp there calmed him down from rage of just physical fighting anger. Which makes sense since Shield noticed with aid/prep U.Cap put U.Hulk down ever so briefly.

And yet someone with superior strength and power U.Thor couldn't KO him for good, its not that hard to grasp.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im reading Ultimates issue 13 (good stuff by the way). Cap has basically got gripped up by Ult Hulk and he wasn't able to do anything about it. Ult Hulk then proceeds to kick the crap out of Herr Keilser (whatever his names is) a guy who Cap couldn't beat even with Nick Fury's help.

Did Dumb say something like Herr Keliser went toe-to-toe with Ult Hulk, because all I can see is Keisler getting the crap beaten out of him. This indicates that when Ult Cap fought Hulk he was weaker.

Yeah man HK got his head ripped the **** off and beaten to a pulp.....thats going toe-to-toe with Ult Hulk. 👆

Considering Heir Klieser just had half his face torn off and been hit by a jet .... i would assume he'd be weakened?

Considering U. Thor couldn't take down U. Hulk and Cap could however briefly would make it seem that Hulk IS NOT calmer as he goes Toe to Toe with Thor seconds after he throw U. Cap

Originally posted by darth fury
Considering Heir Klieser just had half his face torn off and been hit by a jet .... i would assume he'd be weakened?

Well not really, it seems he regnerates and is back to normal. If he was weakened its not by much. After the explosion HK states that Ult Cap was more of a challenge in the past, don't know if he was saying that to piss him off but if HK was weakened Ult Cap should have been able to beat him without any help.

Even after HK got shot in the head and almost split in two it still didn't seem to weaken him.

Even if he was weakened, the fact that Ult Cap needed Ult Hulks help shows that Ult Hulk must have been weakened when Ult Cap fought him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well not really, it seems he regnerates and is back to normal. If he was weakened its not by much. After the explosion HK states that Ult Cap was more of a challenge in the past, don't know if he was saying that to piss him off but if HK was weakened Ult Cap should have been able to beat him without any help.

Even after HK got shot in the head and almost split in two it still didn't seem to weaken him.

Even if he was weakened, the fact that Ult Cap needed Ult Hulks help shows that Ult Hulk must have been weakened when Ult Cap fought him.

How does it show he was weakened earlier ....?
it just shows he can't beat HK by himself, he sure as hell couldn't beat the Hulk by himself all i was stating earlier is his durability and skill being he was one of the only few to be able to floor the hulk however momentarilty.

Thor, Giant Man couldn't put the Hulk down and their Strength level Greatly surpasses Cap which shows Ult. Cap's skill is what allows him to compete with the higher Tier Super Soldiers.

Originally posted by darth fury
Hoe does it show he was weakened earlier ....?
it just shows he can't beat HK by himself, he sure as hell couldn't beat the Hulk by himself all i was stating earlier is his durability and skill being he was one of the only few to be able to floor the hulk however momentarilty.

Thor, Giant Man couldn't put the Hulk down and their Strength level Greatly surpasses Cap which shows Ult. Cap's skill is what allows him to compete with the higher Tier Super Soldiers.

Oh well ok, its just that somebody was making a big deal about when Ult Cap fought Ult Hulk the first time. Yeah it was impressive but he was obvoulsy weakened by the damage he took before.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh well ok, its just that somebody was making a big deal about when Ult Cap fought Ult Hulk the first time. Yeah it was impressive but he was obvoulsy weakened by the damage he took before.

I don't think he was considering he managed to take out Thor and Iron man right after the damage before Cap was done.

The point im trying to make though is that if U. Cap manage to hold his own for a while against a strenth level 100 Hulk, then Spider-man's strength won't give him that much trouble. U. Cap durability is alse VERY impressive that much you must admit. He has been hit by class 100 hulk, Giant man, Class 100 Abomination, Poisened with 1000x the level needed to kill a man and held off multiple shield Soldiers, take punches from HK, etc...

Whereas if we take a recent example, 616's spider-man's durability doesn't seem to be as great being taken out during Civil war by C class villains, needed the Punisher to rescue him. Obviously he was taken by surprise and had just leapt out a building etc.. but his durability in comparison doesn't seem to be as good.

Originally posted by darth fury

Thor, Giant Man couldn't put the Hulk down and their Strength level Greatly surpasses Cap which shows Ult. Cap's skill is what allows him to compete with the higher Tier Super Soldiers.

Yeah and circumstances.

Before I go any further I will apologise to OneDumbGo for saying "Kingpin beat Spiderman many times" as it was Carver9 who said this.
Anyway I reckon Spidrman wins 7/10 as he has a big advantage in speed, agility and, if this is pre '1 more day',strength as well.

Actually U.Thor did take down U.Hulk briefly as well and even gave a bit of a talk on about how he broke his ribs and such.

ultimate spidey is stronger than ult cap , fury says cap can bench a toyota , and he was doing 500lbs bicpe curls but spidey has litterally thrown cars

Ult cap is class 2 , ult spidey is like class 5 like original 616 spidey when he was young and just got powers

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Before I go any further I will apologise to OneDumbGo for saying "Kingpin beat Spiderman many times" as it was Carver9 who said this.
Anyway I reckon Spidrman wins 7/10 as he has a big advantage in speed, agility and, if this is pre '1 more day',strength as well.

Not a big advantage, if at all any advantages besides strength and yep it was me that said that king pin thrash pete in the past, which he did.

Ult. Cap 7/10
Good fight though

Originally posted by ankur29
ultimate spidey is stronger than ult cap , fury says cap can bench a toyota , and he was doing 500lbs bicpe curls but spidey has litterally thrown cars

Ult cap is class 2 , ult spidey is like class 5 like original 616 spidey when he was young and just got powers

Strength isnt always the key. Spiderman is stronger then wolverine but I think wolverine would curb stomp him.

Originally posted by carver9
Not a big advantage, if at all any advantages besides strength and yep it was me that said that king pin thrash pete in the past, which he did.

Ult. Cap 7/10
Good fight though

Have you got scans of Kingpin 'thrashing' Spiderman??

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Have you got scans of Kingpin 'thrashing' Spiderman??

Go to the king pin respect thread, its plenty of thrashings on there.

Originally posted by carver9
Go to the king pin respect thread, its plenty of thrashings on there.

I've seen it in most of those scans the 2 look evenly matched, and in none of them does Kingpin KO Spidey with his bare hands

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I've seen it in most of those scans the 2 look evenly matched, and in none of them does Kingpin KO Spidey with his bare hands

Always remember this when debating anything that involves king pin and cap...........Cap>>king pin in almost every aspect.

Originally posted by carver9
Always remember this when debating anything that involves king pin and cap...........Cap>>king pin in almost every aspect.

I agree Cap>>Kingpin. But those scans, from the KP respect thread, are from early stories, where Kingpin was practically superhuman. KP, in one of those scans is shown overpowering Captain America. He is no longer written that formidable. If Spiderman fought him at Spideys Classic power levels, now, Spidey would be shown to curbstomp him. For the purpose of this thread Spidey is at post-Other levels and we saw how Kingpin got destroyed when they fought recently.
Ultimate Cap may be physically superior to KP but it doesn't mean he beats Spidey

Originally posted by darth fury
I don't think he was considering he managed to take out Thor and Iron man right after the damage before Cap was done.

As I said at that point he got stronger.

Originally posted by darth fury

The point im trying to make though is that if U. Cap manage to hold his own for a while against a strenth level 100 Hulk, then Spider-man's strength won't give him that much trouble. U. Cap durability is alse VERY impressive that much you must admit. He has been hit by class 100 hulk, Giant man, Class 100 Abomination, Poisened with 1000x the level needed to kill a man and held off multiple shield Soldiers, take punches from HK, etc...

None of that matters because none of those guys are any where near as fast as an upgraded Spiderman. Spiderman is strong enough to hurt him with his punches and he can even webb him up and beat him.

Originally posted by darth fury

Whereas if we take a recent example, 616's spider-man's durability doesn't seem to be as great being taken out during Civil war by C class villains, needed the Punisher to rescue him. Obviously he was taken by surprise and had just leapt out a building etc.. but his durability in comparison doesn't seem to be as good.

I think he was drugged up as well. You're just using one example. Anyway see above for the reasons why Spiderman wins.

Originally posted by ankur29
ultimate spidey is stronger than ult cap , fury says cap can bench a toyota , and he was doing 500lbs bicpe curls but spidey has litterally thrown cars

Ult cap is class 2 , ult spidey is like class 5 like original 616 spidey when he was young and just got powers

I think an average car is 3 tons.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
in one of those scans is shown overpowering Captain America.

Erm think KP pulled a carpet from underneath him. 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think an average car is 3 tons.
😬

you'll actually find a a car weights 1(hatchbacK) - 2 tons(saloons) , 2 tosn is an unusual heavy car , really heavy SUVs are about 3 tons and hummers /arry H2's are 4 tons tops

ult spidey is able to lift about 5 tons now (as 616 spidey was able to when he first received his powers and became class 10 upon raching adulthood as will ult spidey ) and ult cap is able to lift 2 tons tops ......

but ult cap if better/as good a fighter as 616 cap will win