Ultimate Cap vs 616 Spider-Man

Originally posted by Mindset
So you use Spiderman not fighting at 100% to prove DD is better than him?

In the first scans Spiderman was an emotional wreck, which is the only reason DD had a chance, which DD himself states.

The second scans Spiderman's spider sense wasn't working properly, and he wasn't thinking clearly. Also webbing is allowed in this fight so it's a moot point that he used webbing.

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The point of my post wasnt that webbing isnt moot, webbing is spiderman only chance against high top tier fighters, the point of my post was that spiderman got his a** handed to him by someone that is inferior to ult cap. Spiderman didnt land a lick in both scenerios until he resorted to webbing. If you would like for me to post a much clearer fight for you I can post one where he got thrashed by silver samarai or when he got thrashed iron fist, etc.... None of my scans was low showings for spiderman, daredevil was just to much for him during that time. If you want to use that tactic and use that spiderman was clear headed, why did spiderman get stabbed in the chest by a berserk wolverine. Wolverine was focused or thinking right but he could have killed spiderman at any time. HMMMM.

Originally posted by carver9
The point of my post wasnt that webbing isnt moot, webbing is spiderman only chance against high top tier fighters, the point of my post was that spiderman got his a** handed to him by someone that is inferior to ult cap. Spiderman didnt land a lick in both scenerios until he resorted to webbing. If you would like for me to post a much clearer fight for you I can post one where he got thrashed by silver samarai or when he got thrashed iron fist, etc.... None of my scans was low showings for spiderman, daredevil was just to much for him during that time. If you want to use that tactic and use that spiderman was clear headed, why did spiderman get stabbed in the chest by a berserk wolverine. Wolverine was focused or thinking right but he could have killed spiderman at any time. HMMMM.

You are not making any sense, you ignore the main point of my post and focus on the part I talked about the webbing?

Let me make this clear for you, SPIDERMAN WAS HINDERED IN BOTH YOUR EXAMPLES. More times than not Spiderman beats DD, DD may have won one fight were Spiderman was not being affected by someone outside circumstances.

Iron Fist is on par with Cap at least.

Yea, Spiderman got stabbed in the chest by Wolverine in a practice fight when Wolverine got pissed and got serious while Pete was still messing around, real good example. 😐

Btw I forgot to add that Spiderman fought IF evenly.

I was convinced PP would beat the living hell out of Ult. SR until I came into this thread. After reading the debates for several pages I believe Ult. Cap is on par with 616 PP.

Originally posted by carver9
The point of my post wasnt that webbing isnt moot, webbing is spiderman only chance against high top tier fighters, the point of my post was that spiderman got his a** handed to him by someone that is inferior to ult cap. Spiderman didnt land a lick in both scenerios until he resorted to webbing. If you would like for me to post a much clearer fight for you I can post one where he got thrashed by silver samarai or when he got thrashed iron fist, etc.... None of my scans was low showings for spiderman, daredevil was just to much for him during that time. If you want to use that tactic and use that spiderman was clear headed, why did spiderman get stabbed in the chest by a berserk wolverine. Wolverine was focused or thinking right but he could have killed spiderman at any time. HMMMM.

With Spiderman's speed, reflexes agility and spidersense, I don't think webbing is his only chance against skilled MA's. He is fast enough to tag them and with his SS dodge a lot of their blows as well. And with his strength his blows will do all kinfds of damage. I've seen another scan where a mind controlled Spiderman is fighting DD and although DD sees one of Spidey's punches coming (using his radar sense) he is unable to dodge, because of Spidey's greater speed

Originally posted by Mindset
You are not making any sense, you ignore the main point of my post and focus on the part I talked about the webbing?

Let me make this clear for you, SPIDERMAN WAS HINDERED IN BOTH YOUR EXAMPLES. More times than not Spiderman beats DD, DD may have won one fight were Spiderman was not being affected by someone outside circumstances.

Iron Fist is on par with Cap at least.

Yea, Spiderman got stabbed in the chest by Wolverine in a practice fight when Wolverine got pissed and got serious while Pete was still messing around, real good example. 😐

So basically youre telling me that in that practice fight that he had with spiderman, spiderman spider sense didnt work. You do know that spiderman SEEN wolverine coming at him with his claws out, wolverine had his claws out the entire time. Dont you think that spiderman would have known that this was more then a practice section 1st by how wolverine gave him the evil look and then wolverine lunged at him claw 1st ending with spiderman webbing him to the wall.

Yes in the first scan spiderman was in a rage but he was still at full power and daredevil overcame a spiderman that wasnt holding back. I got your point, it was plain and clear but again it was still a bad showing for spiderman but spiderman has had some great showings against daredevil also.

Originally posted by carver9
So basically youre telling me that in that practice fight that he had with spiderman, spiderman spider sense didnt work. You do know that spiderman SEEN wolverine coming at him with his claws out, wolverine had his claws out the entire time. Dont you think that spiderman would have known that this was more then a practice section 1st by how wolverine gave him the evil look and then wolverine lunged at him claw 1st ending with spiderman webbing him to the wall.

Yes in the first scan spiderman was in a rage but he was still at full power and daredevil overcame a spiderman that wasnt holding back. I got your point, it was plain and clear but again it was still a bad showing for spiderman but spiderman has had some great showings against daredevil also.

Post the scans where Wolverine stabbed Spiderman. Why would Spiderman expect to be stabbed in the chest by Wolverine when they are both heroes on the same team and are just practicing? Peter punched Wolverine out of a building, so I guess Wolverine is too slow to dodge his punches.

He can be at full power, but if he is not thinking clearly enough to fight smart it wont matter, which is what DD pretty much said. Again how many times did DD beat Spiderman when Spiderman was affected by some outside circumstances?

Originally posted by BUSTER1
With Spiderman's speed, reflexes agility and spidersense, I don't think webbing is his only chance against skilled MA's. He is fast enough to tag them and with his SS dodge a lot of their blows as well. And with his strength his blows will do all kinfds of damage. I've seen another scan where a mind controlled Spiderman is fighting DD and although DD sees one of Spidey's punches coming (using his radar sense) he is unable to dodge, because of Spidey's greater speed

I agree, spiderman could take some wins against dd but the same can also be said for dare devil. By the way that speed, reflexes, and agility, along with the spider sense didnt help him in the past and sure as hell wont help him in the future against top tier martial artist. Especially against people like wolverine and Captain america. Lets put it like this, rhino has crushed peter under his own speed and strength, so I dont think that wolverine, cap, or daredevil wouldnt have a problem tagging him also.

Spiderman spider sense are so overrated on this forum that its ridiculous. Hell people as low as kingpin has worked around it and your saying that martial artist with almost equal speed, reflexes, and agility would have a problem.

Originally posted by Mindset
Post the scans where Wolverine stabbed Spiderman. Why would Spiderman expect to be stabbed in the chest by Wolverine when they are both heroes on the same team and are just practicing? Peter punched Wolverine out of a building, so I guess Wolverine is too slow to dodge his punches.

He can be at full power, but if he is not thinking clearly enough to fight smart it wont matter, which is what DD pretty much said. Again how many times did DD beat Spiderman when Spiderman was affected by some outside circumstances?

Im not the one that say that spiderman cant tag or hit wolverine. I KNOW that spiderman can hit wolverine, by the way wolverine wasnt even expecting spiderman to hit him, it was basically a caught off guard hit and wolverine dont have a spider sense that warns him.

And you answer why spiderman would expect wolverine to stab him, you must forgot the part where wolverine told spiderman that he is going to get him back for embarrassing him in front of mj. You must forgot the part where wolverine turned around at spiderman and gave him the stare of hell. You must forgot the part where spiderman know wolverine is a character that will kill and dont care about hurting his teammates. You must forgot the part where wolverine dove at spiderman claws out and if spiderman just stood there he would have gotten stabbed anyway. You must also forgot that spiderman has a power that remind him of danger and it went off the charts when wolverine was attacking him.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, spiderman could take some wins against dd but the same can also be said for dare devil. By the way that speed, reflexes, and agility, along with the spider sense didnt help him in the past and sure as hell wont help him in the future against top tier martial artist. Especially against people like wolverine and Captain america. Lets put it like this, rhino has crushed peter under his own speed and strength, so I dont think that wolverine, cap, or daredevil wouldnt have a problem tagging him also.

Spiderman spider sense are so overrated on this forum that its ridiculous. Hell people as low as kingpin has worked around it and your saying that martial artist with almost equal speed, reflexes, and agility would have a problem.

I have trouble believing you know what you're talking about. People as low as Kingpin? 🙄

Originally posted by carver9
Im not the one that say that spiderman cant tag or hit wolverine. I KNOW that spiderman can hit wolverine, by the way wolverine wasnt even expecting spiderman to hit him, it was basically a caught off guard hit and wolverine dont have a spider sense that warns him.

And you answer why spiderman would expect wolverine to stab him, you must forgot the part where wolverine told spiderman that he is going to get him back for embarrassing him in front of mj. You must forgot the part where wolverine turned around at spiderman and gave him the stare of hell. You must forgot the part where spiderman know wolverine is a character that will kill and dont care about hurting his teammates. You must forgot the part where wolverine dove at spiderman claws out and if spiderman just stood there he would have gotten stabbed anyway. You must also forgot that spiderman has a power that remind him of danger and it went off the charts when wolverine was attacking him.

No, I just forgot that you were retarded.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, spiderman could take some wins against dd but the same can also be said for dare devil. By the way that speed, reflexes, and agility, along with the spider sense didnt help him in the past and sure as hell wont help him in the future against top tier martial artist. Especially against people like wolverine and Captain america. Lets put it like this, rhino has crushed peter under his own speed and strength, so I dont think that wolverine, cap, or daredevil wouldnt have a problem tagging him also.

Spiderman spider sense are so overrated on this forum that its ridiculous. Hell people as low as kingpin has worked around it and your saying that martial artist with almost equal speed, reflexes, and agility would have a problem.

The SS isn't overated-it has genarally been shown in comics to guide Spiderman to help avoid danger. It even guides him when he's webswinging to ensure that he doesn't web onto unsecure anchor points. This is something Marvel themselves have created not something posters on KMC have made up.

Originally posted by Mindset
I have trouble believing you know what you're talking about. People as low as Kingpin? 🙄

So I guess king pin havent defeated spiderman.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, I just forgot that you were retarded.

I can be that but what I posted was the truth.

Originally posted by carver9
So I guess king pin havent defeated spiderman.

No, he has, the point I was making is that Kingpin is not a pushover.

You should actually know what the Kingpin is capable of before making him out as some low class fighter. 🙄

Even though when Peter actually became serious with Kingpin he completely humiliated him.

Originally posted by carver9
I can be that but what I posted was the truth.

No it's not, you don't even know about Wolverine. Your evidence was that Wolverine gave him the "stare of hell" so Peter should have expected to get stabbed in the chest. You also think Wolverine has not qualms about killing fellow heroes and his team mates. I don't see how or why I should take you seriously.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he has, the point I was making is that Kingpin is not a pushover.

You should actually know what the Kingpin is capable of before making him out as some low class fighter. 🙄

Even though when Peter actually became serious with Kingpin he completely humiliated him.

Thats one good showing for peter against king pin and I give him his props for that. Just like wolverine had a good showing against omega red and lady deathstrike. Wolverine without his powers fought both lady deathstrike and omega red and did quite good BUT he ended up fighting omega red with the aid of colossus and got thrashed. Hell wolverine was partnered up with the entire xmen and still almost got killed facing omega red with the aid of his teammates. Everyone has a good showing against there enemies but that showing shouldnt contradict all of the other showings that has been happening in the past.

Unless youre telling me that spiderman LET kingpin beat him all of those times.

Originally posted by Mindset
No it's not, you don't even know about Wolverine. Your evidence was that Wolverine gave him the "stare of hell" so Peter should have expected to get stabbed in the chest. You also think Wolverine has not qualms about killing fellow heroes and his team mates. I don't see how or why I should take you seriously.

So wolverine dont have a problem hurting his teammates. Why did wolverine stab beast in the chest before they were both sent to that prison (forgot the name of the prison). Why have cyclops on numerous of occasions felt the edge of wolverines blade and on numerous of occasions almost got killed by wolverine. Why did wolverine attack rogue but his claws ended up bouncing off of her due to her invulnerability. Why have wolverine on numerous of occasions almost kill professor due to some rule that professor made and wolverine didnt agree with. Why did wolverine attack and could have killed colossus if his claws would have worked on him, during the time colossus mind was taken over. I can keep going. Wolverine is one of my favorite characters. I know all there is to know about him. I dont think that there are many on the forum that know much more then I do about the character. If wolverine have to or if wolverine does owe a debt he will kill or hurt his partner in a rage. Thats just him and during marvel knight #13, spiderman fell victim to that rage.

Originally posted by Mindset
No it's not, you don't even know about Wolverine. Your evidence was that Wolverine gave him the "stare of hell" so Peter should have expected to get stabbed in the chest. You also think Wolverine has not qualms about killing fellow heroes and his team mates. I don't see how or why I should take you seriously.

By the way, I hope this helps.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossustakingWolverinedown

Originally posted by Mindset
No it's not, you don't even know about Wolverine. Your evidence was that Wolverine gave him the "stare of hell" so Peter should have expected to get stabbed in the chest. You also think Wolverine has not qualms about killing fellow heroes and his team mates. I don't see how or why I should take you seriously.

are you there.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats one good showing for peter against king pin and I give him his props for that. Just like wolverine had a good showing against omega red and lady deathstrike. Wolverine without his powers fought both lady deathstrike and omega red and did quite good BUT he ended up fighting omega red with the aid of colossus and got thrashed. Hell wolverine was partnered up with the entire xmen and still almost got killed facing omega red with the aid of his teammates. Everyone has a good showing against there enemies but that showing shouldnt contradict all of the other showings that has been happening in the past.

Unless youre telling me that spiderman LET kingpin beat him all of those times.

In a sense he did let Kingin beat him, because he held back, you seriously believe Kingpin would have won all those times to an unrestrained Spiderman?

But again, you do not know how good of a fighter Kingpin is, I suggest you look at his respect thrtead.