Ultimate Cap vs 616 Spider-Man

Originally posted by darth fury
He can't go toe to toe..... but he can hold his own for a time. Hulk threw Ult Cap thats it. he picked him up and threw him.....

ult. cap would beat 616 spiderman, if 616 spiderman get beaten by 616 cap as most people seem to think being that ult. Cap fight dirty uses guns is stronger, faster and more durable with the only advantage to 616 cap is his fighting skill then IMO ult cap > 616 spiderman

He only held his own with a U.Hulk who was hurt bad from Iroman to the point that U.Hulk was puking his guts out. Then with a last ditch attack he's sent out of a very high building to crash on the ground.

The Wasp calms him down. Which lowers his power extremely.

Than a tank falls on him from the sky to boot.

Then U.Cap holds his own for a bit........LOL. Thats with the help of others major circumstances, so thats not even hold his own since there are others......................period.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He only held his own with a U.Hulk who was hurt bad from Iroman to the point that U.Hulk was puking his guts out. Then with a last ditch attack he's sent out of a very high building to crash on the ground.

The Wasp calms him down. Which lowers his power extremely.

Than a tank falls on him from the sky to boot.

Then U.Cap holds his own for a bit........LOL. Thats with the help of others major circumstances, so thats not even hold his own since there are others......................period.

He is alone for a period and he obviously is THAT hurt considering he pummels Thor seconds later.... Throwing up makes him weaker now?

Hulk says the attack just makes him hornier......
LOL

Wasp doesn't calm him down .... she strips for him to try and make him follow her

Originally posted by darth fury
He can't go toe to toe..... but he can hold his own for a time. Hulk threw Ult Cap thats it. he picked him up and threw him.....

ult. cap would beat 616 spiderman, if 616 spiderman get beaten by 616 cap as most people seem to think being that ult. Cap fight dirty uses guns is stronger, faster and more durable with the only advantage to 616 cap is his fighting skill then IMO ult cap > 616 spiderman

Also faster?

Again what proof. Cap has played in energy beams and even true bullet time as in get ahead of bullets. To even ran close to 60 mph.

Again you say things without actually knowing what your talking about. Plus Cap has the advantage on 616 Spiderman due to skill not stats.

In this fight 616 Spiderman stats are superior in every way against U.Cap. Despite U.Cap being a bit stronger then 616 Cap. Because of his lower skills, I don't see him defeating 616 Spiderman.

Originally posted by darth fury
He is alone for a period and he obviously is THAT hurt considering he pummels Thor seconds later.... Throwing up makes him weaker now?

Hulk says the attack just makes him hornier......
LOL

Wasp doesn't calm him down .... she strips for him to try and make him follow her

Which makes him stop being angry. Yes he's is alone so now you pretend the other events didn't occur? No but they did occur.

Throwing up and stunned for Ironman do to a last ditch attack show's he was affected. LOL

Originally posted by Daredevil1
U.Cap is yelling squelling like a girl at the end of that scan. And thats supposed to prove he wins..........LOL

These U.Cap fans crack me up.

The rest of that fight. Notice U.Thor has to save U.Cap. "shruggs"
http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p161ts.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Ultimate%20Captain%20America/5-vstheHulk5.jpg
Here's there rematch notice U.Cap gets treated like a insignificant fly.
http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ult05p214tz.jpg

And the U.Cap can go toe to toe with U.Hulk myth has ended.

Yeah U.Cap can definitely hold his own against U.Hulk LOL the scans above clearly show this.LOL

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also faster?

Again what proof. Cap has played in energy beams and even true bullet time as in get ahead of bullets. To even ran close to 60 mph.

Again you say things without actually knowing what your talking about. Plus Cap has the advantage on 616 Spiderman due to skill not stats.

In this fight 616 Spiderman stats are superior in every way against U.Cap. Despite U.Cap being a bit stronger then 616 Cap. Because of his lower skills, I don't see him defeating 616 Spiderman.

OK. on a side note who do you think would win between Ult. Cap and 616 Cap?

I see him defeating 616 spiderman because he holds various advantages that 616 cap doesn't and he'll fight dirty and erm Cap can run as fast as a bullet? I'd like to see some proof not saying i don't believe you but i haven't seen it.
considering a bullets speed ranges from 180-1220 m/s ...... which would make cap's acceleration MUCH faster than 60 MPH which if true is very damn impressive.

Originally posted by darth fury
OK. on a side note who do you think would win between Ult. Cap and 616 Cap?

I see him defeating 616 spiderman because he holds various advantages that 616 cap doesn't and he'll fight dirty and erm Cap can run as fast as a bullet? I'd like to see some proof not saying i don't believe you but i haven't seen it.
considering a bullets speed ranges from 180-1220 m/s ...... which would make cap's acceleration MUCH faster than 60 MPH which if true is very damn impressive.

And I don't see him defeating 616 spiderman as he isn't as fast as or as agile as 616 Cap. Eh him fighting dirty doesn't mean much considering most of Spidey's villain do the dirty bit. So its not really much of a point.

Cap didn't really run as he leaped in front of the bullets. No matter as thats more a high end feat for him anyhow. Which isn't the standard his regular feats are more as him playing in bullets and dodging bullets even at close range. Or playing in energy beans in zero gravity.

But if you want a scan you'll have to wait as I'll post it later on.

As for your question I see 616 Cap defeating U.Cap.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Even better-but I had to make my point against OneDumbG0, as he was coming out with all these claims about Spiderman being beaten loads of times by Kingpin h2h, then coming up with 2 scans showing them fighting as equals (Spiderman having his arm in a sling in one scan)

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah U.Cap can definitely hold his own against U.Hulk LOL the scans above clearly show this.LOL

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did I say that Kingpin has beaten Spiderman loads of times?
Does it hurt to embarass yourself on a post-by-post basis? Because it's starting to hurt just watching you spout off stuff like 616 Cap one-shots Korvac, or Ult. Abom never really hits Ult. Cap or that Ult. Wasp flashing Ult. Hulk sucks all of Ult. Hulk's strength away. Bejeezus. Reality check please. You act as if Ult. Cap used to beat you up in school or something. Calm down, kid.

Shut up and respond to our post. You still haven't proven that Ult Cap wins. You are just focusing on side issues because you haven't proven a damn thing.

So Ult Abom hit Ult Cap with full force? Thats your opinion guess what, it proves nothing but the reason why it proves nothing has already been explained.

So Daredevil1 said he one-shotted Korvac? Don't remember him saying it, but guess what Spiderman still wins.

Hell D1 never said that Wasp sucked Hulks strength away, the simple point being made is that Ult Hulk took one hell of a battering before hand so that obvously helped Ult Cap. I mean you know Tony Starks rammed Ult Hulk into grand central station at full speed?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Shut up and respond to our post. You still haven't proven that Ult Cap wins. You are just focusing on side issues because you haven't proven a damn thing.

So Ult Abom hit Ult Cap with full force? Thats your opinion guess what, it proves nothing but the reason why it proves nothing has already been explained.

So Daredevil1 said he one-shotted Korvac? Don't remember him saying it, but guess what Spiderman still wins.

Ult. Cap has a greater tactical mind and arguably better fighting skills. While he doesn't have the experience or intimate knowledge that 616 Cap does, Ult. Cap's physicality helps even the odds greatly. Considering he can take a pounding from the likes of Ult. Hulk, Herr Kleiser and Ult. Abomination and take out foes like Herr Klesier and Ult. Juggernaut with straight up H2H, I really don't understand where this incredulity comes from. And I am equally baffled by where this intense hatred for Ult. Cap comes from.

What are you, French?

I mean seriously, if you want to convince me that 616 Spiderman is vastly superior to Ult. Cap, then try it again, show me some 616 Spidey feats that are vastly superior to those on-panel Ult. Cap feats below:

1) Taking a full-blown double-fist piledriver into the ground from a class 100 like Ult. Abomination and getting up immediately thereafter. No rolling with the blow.

2) Diving straight into water from 600 feet and being completely unharmed (which is essentially concrete at that height, so you can show him falling onto concrete headfirst without being harmed as proof too).

3) Taking half a pint of tetrodotoxin (.0008 grams injected kills an ordinary man, which means he took more than a million times over the lethal dose) and still fighting and struggling against super soldiers.

4) One-shotting a class 100 like Ult. Juggernaut with a single blow. No prior fighting, no outside interference. Just a single blow.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What post? I already responded to your posts and lost all faith in your reasoning ability when you actually tried to argue that Ult. Abom never really hit Ult. Cap. There is no side issue here, you guys act as if 616 Spiderman is vastly superior to Ult. Cap in all physical respects. I gave you dozens of chances to prove this and nobody has. Ult. Cap's physical stats rival 616 Spidey's.

Ult. Cap has a greater tactical mind and arguably better fighting skills. While he doesn't have the experience or intimate knowledge that 616 Cap does, Ult. Cap's physicality helps even the odds greatly. Considering he can take a pounding from the likes of Ult. Hulk, Herr Kleiser and Ult. Abomination and take out foes like Herr Klesier and Ult. Juggernaut with straight up H2H, I really don't understand where this incredulity comes from. And I am equally baffled by where this intense hatred for Ult. Cap comes from.

What are you, French?

*sigh* I'll respond to your post tomorrow. Look even if Cap took a full force punch from Ult Abom it don't prove a god damn thing. If you were paying attention you would know the reason why. Maybe I will go into detail how your reasoning is completely faulty tomorrow. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I mean seriously, if you want to convince me that 616 Spiderman is vastly superior to Ult. Cap, then try it again, show me some 616 Spidey feats that are vastly superior to those on-panel Ult. Cap feats below:

1) Taking a full-blown double-fist piledriver into the ground from a class 100 like Ult. Abomination and getting up immediately thereafter. No rolling with the blow.

2) Diving straight into water from 600 feet and being completely unharmed (which is essentially concrete at that height, so you can show him falling onto concrete headfirst without being harmed as proof too).

3) Taking half a pint of tetrodotoxin (.0008 grams injected kills an ordinary man, which means he took more than a million times over the lethal dose) and still fighting and struggling against super soldiers.

4) One-shotting a class 100 like Ult. Juggernaut with a single blow. No prior fighting, no outside interference. Just a single blow.

All that can be easily rebutted and probably has already I mean I already told you a human has survived a massive fall into water from comparable height but its like you have selective amnesia.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*Hell D1 never said that Wasp sucked Hulks strength away, the simple point being made is that Ult Hulk took one hell of a battering before hand so that obvously helped Ult Cap. I mean you know Tony Starks rammed Ult Hulk into grand central station at full speed?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The Wasp calms him down. Which lowers his power extremely.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* I'll respond to your post tomorrow. Look even if Cap took a full force punch from Ult Abom it don't prove a god damn thing. If you were paying attention you would know the reason why. Maybe I will go into detail how your reasoning is completely faulty tomorrow. 😬

All that can be easily rebutted and probably has already I mean I already told you a human has survived a massive fall into water from comparable height but its like you have selective amnesia.

Rebut what? It's on-panel. Just show me 616 Spidey scans that are vastly superior. Jesus, is it really that hard to do that?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't make this sh1t up.

What so Hulk doesnt get weaker when he gets calm?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

You go do that, Frenchie. Don't bother with my reasoning. Just post 616 Spidey scans are vastly superior to the Ult. Cap scans I presented. Go for it. I can only ask so many times.

Rebut what? It's on-panel. Just show me 616 Spidey scans that are vastly superior. Jesus, is it really that hard to do that?

Bloody hell there are 616 Caps scans that are comparable to that. Hasn't somebody posted scans of Cap taking a full force punch from a class80 Iron Man?

Spider-Man takes the majority here. I can't see Ult. Cap beating 616 SM or putting up a really great fight without the the vast knowledge that 616 Cap has on Spidey's abilities.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What so Hulk doesnt get weaker when he gets calm?

2) "What so Hulk doesnt get stronger when he gets angry?"

Why am I saying this? Because Ult. Cap drops a tank on his head after Ult. Wasp distracts him and he's pretty pissed at that point. Pissed enough to have the strength to rip through the tank like it's paper.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Bloody hell there are 616 Caps scans that are comparable to that. Hasn't somebody posted scans of Cap taking a full force punch from a class80 Iron Man?

It's easy: "Show me scans of 616 Spidey that are vastly superior to Ult. Cap's on-panel feats." I'll keep asking, you all can keep dodging.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Spider-Man takes the majority here. I can't see Ult. Cap beating 616 SM or putting up a really great fight without the the vast knowledge that 616 Cap has on Spidey's abilities.

Nonetheless, Ult. Cap's physical stats rival 616 Spidey's. Unlike 616 Cap, he can keep up with 616 Spidey in terms of strength and durability. Which is amply supported by his fights with Ult. Hulk, Herr Kleiser, Ult. Juggernaut, Ult. Abomination, etc. He also still possesses a vastly superior tactical mind and arguably has better fighting skills. That and he fights dirty with standard equipment that 616 Cap wouldn't use. Grenades and such.

So as much as you take away the handicap of intimate fighting knowledge. Ult. Cap's physicality evens it back up. And when you have a foe whose fighting skills are comparable and probably better... AND a clearly superior tactical mind... AND comparable physical stats... you'll probably end up losing in a close fight. That's my thinking. Therefore:

Ult. Cap 6/10. Just about. I could live with a 5/10 split too.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I mean seriously, if you want to convince me that 616 Spiderman is vastly superior to Ult. Cap, then try it again, show me some 616 Spidey feats that are vastly superior to those on-panel Ult. Cap feats below:

1) Taking a full-blown double-fist piledriver into the ground from a class 100 like Ult. Abomination and getting up immediately thereafter. No rolling with the blow.

4) One-shotting a class 100 like Ult. Juggernaut with a single blow. No prior fighting, no outside interference. Just a single blow.

I'm not countering your post right now, but I do have a couple things to say.

I really like Ult. Cap. I think he's pretty badass and hardcore. His willpower alone is fantastic and lets him hang with people that he shouldn't.

However, I think it's pretty safe to say that Ult. Abom wasn't hitting him anywhere near full-force. My reasoning? Because it appeared to be pretty well-established between the members of the Liberators that Captain America would be left for Colonel Abdul al-Rahman to fight. Abom was merely softening him up and setting up the stage for the fight between the two super soldiers.

But hey, that's my interpretation. I don't want to tell you how to interpret it. Just saying that it seems VERY likely that this was the case.

Also. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that Ult. Cap one-shot Ult. Juggernaut. He kicked him through a wall. End of story. He probably fell outside the building or something. Cap apparently thought it best to take him out of the fight quickly. So he did. We don't know what happned to Juggy. While he is nowhere near the level of his 616 counterpart, he's still extremely powerful. It would be utterly ridiculous for anyone to think that Cap actually KOed him with that kick.

And that's all I've got to say about that.

Yeah. Ult. Abom looks like he's going easy on Ult. Cap here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=10341029

[/sarcasm] I get what you're saying and it's possible he kinda just gave him "a half-force blow." But that's really reaching and not very likely. Why? Fact is, we've seen Ult. Cap get pounded on by foes like Ult. Hulk and Herr Kleiser already. We've seen him fight through SHIELD supersoldiers while poisoned to an unbelievable degree. It's very much more likely that Ult. Abomination hit him hard, because in order to soften him up for Abdul, he'd have to hit him hard. And considering Ult. Abomination's stance and the obvious illustration and his own words, "This is gonna hurt." Yeah...

I know you've read Ult. X-Men. You're a big fan of Ult. Colossus. Ult. Juggernaut took on Ult. Colossus and knocked him out in their first encounter. Since when does Ult. Juggernaut get put out of commission from falling out of a building? And if he doesn't get knocked out from falling out of a building... then what happens? Regular ole SHIELD agents come in nonchalantly and handcuff him? I mean, even when you guys ignore the fact that Ult. Cap's kick makes Ult. Juggernaut go flying horizontally through a wall (which is impressive on its own)... you reaaalllllyyyy have to stretch to think that Ult. Juggernaut was either: 1) knocked out from a subsequent fall; or 2) regular SHIELD agents subdue him off-panel. It's an obvious illustration and depiction, Ult. Cap takes out Ult. Juggernaut. Apply Ockham's Razor guys. If it's easier to explain things one way without having to strain, then that's probably the right interpretation. What's so incredibly ridiculous about him taking out a foe like Ult. Juggernaut? He's gone H2H with Ult. Hulk and knocked him out briefly. He took on Herr Kleiser and put him down for a spell. He held up trees that were crushing military trucks. He kicks the utter crap out of SHIELD supersoldiers WHILE poisoned to the Nth degree. He escapes the grip of Chinese supersoldiers who friggin toppled the Statue of Liberty. What's so ridiculous? I mean just look at it:

Originally posted by darth fury
He can't go toe to toe..... but he can hold his own for a time. Hulk threw Ult Cap thats it. he picked him up and threw him.....

ult. cap would beat 616 spiderman, if 616 spiderman get beaten by 616 cap as most people seem to think being that ult. Cap fight dirty uses guns is stronger, faster and more durable with the only advantage to 616 cap is his fighting skill then IMO ult cap > 616 spiderman

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Totally agree, ultimate cap would thrash 616 spiderman. By the way good scans and that proved a lot to me. He took down and fought top tiers and giant man is a top tier even though people hate to admit it.