Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloThat's not a fact it's an opinion. An opinion I and most of the general populace may share, but still an opinion no less.
I can think that someone pooping in my mouth is not degrading all I want, it still doesn't change the fact that it is.
It is however factually unsanitary and dangerous, and may result in harm to an individual. It also probably legally violates human rights.
Porn if properly, safely and legitimately produced doesn't technically harm anyone.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex NihiloI get what you are saying. I feel bad for people degrading themselves to the point that they are just a mindless tools in an office environment for their bosses to reap the benefits.
It's not a "holier-than-thou" thing. I feel bad for people who degrade themselves to the point of being a piece of meat that some guy masturbates to.
I was watching Pornocopia last night, it's a HBO series about the porn industry. A porn star named Violet Blue, said "I like my job. It beats testing soil for the government, which I actually went to school for, I was an enviromentalist." She also said that she orgasms on set about 60% of the time.
Also learned that the female stars generally choose who they get to **** or not, it's really a feminist industry, they're the stars, they call the shots many a time.
The average porn stars career is 18 months, they get in it to make some quick cash. Some pay their way through college by ****ing. Contract stars, make an average of 50-70k a year, but they only work 4-5 day a month.
Originally posted by chithappens
That is a holier than thou thing. Their standards are not yours. Get over it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's not a fact it's an opinion. An opinion I and most of the general populace may share, but still an opinion no less.
(Heh, scat porn.)
Originally posted by Bardock42
I get what you are saying. I feel bad for people degrading themselves to the point that they are just a mindless tools in an office environment for their bosses to reap the benefits.
Originally posted by Robtard
I was watching Pornocopia last night, it's a HBO series about the porn industry. A porn star named Violet Blue, said "I like my job. It beats testing soil for the government, which I actually went to school for, I was an enviromentalist." She also said that she orgasms on set about 60% of the time.Also learned that the female stars generally choose who they get to **** or not, it's really a feminist industry, they're the stars, they call the shots many a time.
The average porn stars career is 18 months, they get in it to make some quick cash. Some pay their way through college by ****ing. Contract stars, make an average of 50-70k a year, but they only work 4-5 day a month.
lmao, go tell that to a feminist and see if you get away with your head still attached to your spine. 😆 a really feminist industry my ass, now im positive your delusional.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^or perhaps, studying sociology and such as a subject, i do know bit about feminist movements and persepctives and percentages and sub gruops and can make an easy assumption about what they would think on the subject based on their perspectives on other issues.
You've shown no such expertise. You're simply saying things without backing it up.
Feminists speak for feminists, you speak for your own random "well maybe" kinda thinking, and nothing more.
From "A Feminist Defense of Pornography"
Wendy McElroyDo the specific accusations hurled at pornography stand up under examination?
Pornography is degrading to women.
Degrading is a subjective term. I find commercials in which women become orgasmic over soapsuds to be tremendously degrading. The bottom line is that every woman has the right to define what is degrading and liberating for herself.The assumed degradation is often linked to the "objectification" of women: that is, porn converts them into sexual objects. What does this mean? If taken literally, it means nothing because objects don't have sexuality; only beings do. But to say that porn portrays women as "sexual beings" makes for poor rhetoric. Usually, the term sex objects means showing women as body parts, reducing them to physical objects. What is wrong with this? Women are as much their bodies as they are their minds or souls. No one gets upset if you present women as "brains" or as spiritual beings. If I concentrated on a woman's sense of humor to the exclusion of her other characteristics, is this degrading? Why is it degrading to focus on her sexuality?
Pornography leads to violence against women.
A cause-and-effect relationship is drawn between men viewing pornography and men attacking women, especially in the form of rape. But studies and experts disagree as to whether any relationship exists between pornography and violence, between images and behavior. Even the pro-censorship Meese Commission Report admitted that the data connecting pornography to violence was unreliable.Other studies, such as the one prepared by feminist Thelma McCormick in 1983 for the Metropolitan Toronto Task Force on Violence Against Women, find no pattern to connect porn and sex crimes. Incredibly, the Task Force suppressed the study and reassigned the project to a pro-censorship male, who returned the "correct" results. His study was published.
What of real-world feedback? In Japan, where pornography depicting graphic and brutal violence is widely available, rape is much lower per capita than in the United States, where violence in porn is severely restricted.
Pornography is violence because women are coerced into pornography.
Not one of the dozens of women depicted in pornographic materials with whom I spoke reported being coerced. Not one knew of a woman who had been. Nevertheless, I do not dismiss reports of violence: every industry has its abuses. And anyone who uses force or threats to make a woman perform should be charged with kidnapping, assault, and/or rape. Any such pictures or films should be confiscated and burned because no one has the right to benefit from the proceeds of a crime.Pornography is violence because women who pose for porn are so traumatized by patriarchy they cannot give real consent.
Although women in pornography appear to be willing, anti-porn feminists know that no psychologically healthy woman would agree to the degradation of pornography. Therefore, if agreement seems to be present, it is because the women have "fallen in love with their own oppression" and must be rescued from themselves. A common characteristic of the porn actresses I have interviewed is a love of exhibitionism. Yet if such a woman declares her enjoyment in flaunting her body, anti-porn feminists claim she is not merely a unique human being who reacts from a different background or personality. She is psychologically damaged and no longer responsible for her actions. In essence, this is a denial of a woman's right to choose anything outside the narrow corridor of choices offered by political/sexual correctness. The right to choose hinges on the right to make a "wrong" choice, just as freedom of religion entails the right to be an atheist. After all, no one will prevent a woman from doing what he thinks she should do.
And at the end of the day, it's the individual women in porn who are the decision makers over whether they are being degraded, coerced and/or subjected to violence.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^totally your own oppinion and totally not true.
Then please present whatever makes you an expert at speaking for other people that you've not met. I'm very curious.
And you say it's my own opinion - it's not. You've actually not shown yourself to be an expert. You can't just say that you are and then act like it's just an opinion when someone call you on it. Present credentials or quit attempting to present yourself as an authority.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, go tell that to a feminist and see if you get away with your head still attached to your spine. 😆 a really feminist industry my ass, now im positive your delusional.
I didn't say it as my opinion, I was expressing the opinion of women in the industry per the documnetary/as I've heard/read, I am not a porn star nor a woman myself.
On the other hand, as several people have pointing out, you make claims and blanket statements without supplying a shred of proof. Yet you know, despite the proof/links people have posted to show that you're simply biased and full of shit.
sigh, in socilogy, most social phenomenon are seen through perspective {e.g. marxist, functionalist, capitalist, post modern, etc etc} and feminism as a major one of these, infact its there in practically every overall study. now among the main factions of feminists
radical feminist : wud rip your throat out for even suggesting that porn is pro women
marxist feminists: will also chew you a new one{although not on the level of radicals} for suggesting it, pointing towards the financial situation of women and how most of the profit gained in pornos never makes it to the women actors involved but go to the director/producer who are MOSTLY male
feminist marxists : would be a little more empathetic as its atleast a way for women to earn money but would have sever reservations
black feminists: would again rip you apart pointing towards pornography being a significant factor in keeping black women down
liberal feminists: would again have reservations, albeit not so many {due to the circles they travel in } and might actually be proud of women standing up and taking charge of their life but would again criticise the patriarchal practices present in porn and it basically catering to men
those, are far as i know are the major feminist groups. and most and overall, they would be anti porn, calling it a patriarchal industry catering to men and objectiying and degrading women. let me know of any other SIGNIFICANT groups if you find em.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, in socilogy, most social phenomenon are seen through perspective {e.g. marxist, functionalist, capitalist, post modern, etc etc} and feminism as a major one of these, infact its there in practically every overall study. now among the main factions of feministsradical feminist : wud rip your throat out for even suggesting that porn is pro women
marxist feminists: will also chew you a new one{although not on the level of radicals} for suggesting it, pointing towards the financial situation of women and how most of the profit gained in pornos never makes it to the women actors involved but go to the director/producer who are MOSTLY male
feminist marxists : would be a little more empathetic as its atleast a way for women to earn money but would have sever reservations
black feminists: would again rip you apart pointing towards pornography being a significant factor in keeping black women down
liberal feminists: would again have reservations, albeit not so many {due to the circles they travel in } and might actually be proud of women standing up and taking charge of their life but would again criticise the patriarchal practices present in porn and it basically catering to menthose, are far as i know are the major feminist groups. and most and overall, they would be anti porn, calling it a patriarchal industry catering to men and objectiying and degrading women. let me know of any other SIGNIFICANT groups if you find em.
Do you use any definitions that aren't made up on the spot?