Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You must have forgotten what you said, so I'll refresh your memory. In regards to a comment made about Galactus depowering Tyrant the first time, you said:

I showed you an image that shows you otherwise, but apparently your eyes aren't working too well, so let me crop it for you.

Ur the worst interpeter of scans that KMC has ever seen. 😬

What u posted was a portion of the scan (images of the fight) in which Galactus banishes him to the far edge of space. The middle of the scan clearly showed him linked to the ship with Galactus at the control panel. That was when he got depowered. Not while he was holding him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You wanna actually look at the comic before you comment about it. Tyrant screams in pain when the blast lands and the narrator even states "So awesome is the blast from Galactus that Tyrant momentarily questions this course of action..." He wouldn't have questioned it if it just "bothered" him.

The only thing that bothered him was the concussive force. The blast pushed him thru of the hull of the ship into the void of space. Remember this is a fed Galactus blast (first attack) that still got absorbed and Galan refused to use energy projection again after that point. Sorry but blasts just aren't gonna work and Tyrant is surely not going to die.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

Draining energy using a machine and absorbing energy from a harmful blast are two different things. For example, Havok can absorb energy but he is still harmed by energy attacks. In his fight with Nate Grey, Exodus was absorbing his psionic energy until Nate unleashed too much power for him to absorb. In Tyrant's case, he was harmed by a single attack from Galactus and then was able to absorb it. You can say for certain that he would have been able to absorb an attack like the Annihilation one.

Were talking about Tyrant not Havok or Exodus. Tyrant has been around way longer than them and dosen't have the same vunerabilities as above average mutants. In case u missed it Tyrant absorbed a fed Galactus's power and it wasn't too much for him. It dosen't matter what method of absorbsion is chosen. Reason why is his complete mastery over biospheric energy which he didn't have in the first encounter.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ur the worst interpeter of scans that KMC has ever seen. 😬

What u posted was a portion of the scan (images of the fight) in which Galactus banishes him to the far edge of space. The middle of the scan clearly showed him linked to the ship with Galactus at the control panel. That was when he got depowered. Not while he was holding him.

No that was when he was built, the left side concerns the construction along with the middle section the right section concerns the battle between them.

Originally posted by Sundipped
The only thing that bothered him was the concussive force. The blast pushed him thru of the hull of the ship into the void of space. Remember this is a fed Galactus blast (first attack) that still got absorbed and Galan refused to use energy projection again after that point. Sorry but blasts just aren't gonna work and Tyrant is surely not going to die.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg

So the Aarrrgh is just a way to show irritation coupled with the fact that Tyrant questions if this was a wise idea.

Originally posted by Xplosive
None of the mentioned is far more powerful than FP Tyrant, if any at all is.

Galactus should have smite In-Betweener (and the battle wasn't close the scope of him Vs. FP Tyrant. None of mentioned was.). I don't where the idea he is by far more powerful than FP Tyrant.

If Agamotto would be all-powerful in his realm, he would have won against Galactus easily (it was stalemate). He was hungry against Mephisto.
FP Tyrant would have crushed Mephisto in his own realm.

Going by Thanos words, the greatest energies were released in his battle with FP Tyrant (because energies they output were toward each others and already the consequences were wrecked galaxies. One galaxy=up to one trillion solar systems). And Galactus actually knew he must go physically prepared against FP Tyrant, to be match for him.

Watcher is not a Celestial level and not far more powerful than FP Tyrant, if he is at all.
And would Watchers really beat FP Tyrant just like that.
Probably FP Tyrant would destroy him just as Galactus did.

So all you mentioned, Galactus was actually physically best prepared for FP Tyrant and wasn't holding back. And he knew that, because he knew how powerful is the creation he made. And that creation has in time only grown and was growing more powerful.

None of the mentioned is more powerful than FP Tyrant (especially not by far). You do remember what they used to end Tyrant threat, because Galactus wasn't enough anymore?

Are you even keeping track of this thread? I suggest you read over it. Not once have I said Galactus has beaten people greater than FP Tyrant. We are talking about DEPOWERED Tyrant, which is the one Galactus faced in their last battle. Please try to keep up and stop misinterpreting what I say.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Ur the worst interpeter of scans that KMC has ever seen. 😬

What u posted was a portion of the scan (images of the fight) in which Galactus banishes him to the far edge of space. The middle of the scan clearly showed him linked to the ship with Galactus at the control panel. That was when he got depowered. Not while he was holding him.

Look who's talking. Like Utrigita said, the left side of the scan deals with his creation. You can tell by Thanos' words that are right next to it. The right side deals with the battle. Learn to understand what you are looking at before commenting please.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos got up from being buried in rubble, and he didn't struggle at all to do it. He smiled at Tyrant and said he had done what he said out to do and the victory was his. It took Thanos 4 panels to get from his knees to his feet. To any logical person, that would tell them he was having a hard time getting up, unlike with Tyrant.

Thanos proclaimed he would win against Odin? Big deal. He also said he was disappointed in Tyrant and that he wasn't the challenge he hoped he would be.

How much did the orb help him? Can you answer me that? Did it double his power? Triple? You have no idea. Not even Tyrant acknowledged the orb as being part of Thanos' power. He only commented on Thanos himself. I'll take his word over yours anyday.

Thanos took him on very briefly and left very quickly. He took his orb and left. Again Tyrant did more imo in less time. You cant say Odin just say Odin did more damage and leave out Odin fought him a lot longer. I strongly disagree he was even in worse shape here either but you keep ignoring the length of the battle.

Tyrant said he would correct this situation and Thanos didnt disagree once Tyrant started throwing around power.

The orb was loaded with cosmic power and was taken. It was obviously quite powerful to be used against one such as Tyrant.

The orb was used as a weapon and you cannot argue that fact.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So take the tech out of the battle and what could Tyrant have possibly hoped to do to beat Galactus?

He would only keep powering Tyrant up with each blast.

Again dont punish Tyrant because Galactus used the tech first.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The blast from a starving Galactus was powerful enough to incinerate a Watcher. As for Annihilus surviving, I'm sure the quantum bands he was wearing had nothing to do with it.

Tyrant and Galactus together destroyed galaxies in their first battle, and that was Tyrant at his most powerful. The most recent version of Tyrant was nowhere near that level.

Annihilus with the bands still isnt even close to Tyrant. 😬

Again Galactus was well fed and if he could have easily defeated Tyrant he would have. Tyrant fought a more powerful Galactus and was dominating him and you speculate again and again.

Originally posted by Sundipped
The only thing that bothered him was the concussive force. The blast pushed him thru of the hull of the ship into the void of space. Remember this is a fed Galactus blast (first attack) that still got absorbed and Galan refused to use energy projection again after that point. Sorry but blasts just aren't gonna work and Tyrant is surely not going to die.

Please show proof that it was only the concussive force that "bothered" him, because the last time I checked screaming "Aarrgh" meant pain, not irritation.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Were talking about Tyrant not Havok or Exodus. Tyrant has been around way longer than them and dosen't have the same vunerabilities as above average mutants. In case u missed it Tyrant absorbed a fed Galactus's power and it wasn't too much for him. It dosen't matter what method of absorbsion is chosen. Reason why is his complete mastery over biospheric energy which he didn't have in the first encounter.

I know Havok and Exodus aren't Tyrant. My point is beings who absorb energy can still be affected or overloaded by it. With the exception of Thanos w/HOTI, there hasn't been a showing of anyone having infinite absorption powers.

Yes, method of absorption does matter, which is why one way hurt him and another didn't. Plus, Tyrant himself said he used Galactus' own machine to drain Galactus instead of the other way around. Could he have absorbed that much at once without using the machine? We don't know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No no no.

He would only keep powering Tyrant up with each blast.

Again dont punish Tyrant because Galactus used the tech first.

So, you're claiming Tyrant is on Galactus' level, but you won't say if Tyrant could beat him without tech or beat other Galactus level beings.

Originally posted by Xplosive
None of the mentioned is far more powerful than FP Tyrant, if any at all is.

Galactus should have smite In-Betweener (and the battle wasn't close the scope of him Vs. FP Tyrant. None of mentioned was.). I don't where the idea he is by far more powerful than FP Tyrant.

If Agamotto would be all-powerful in his realm, he would have won against Galactus easily (it was stalemate). He was hungry against Mephisto.
FP Tyrant would have crushed Mephisto in his own realm.

Going by Thanos words, the greatest energies were released in his battle with FP Tyrant (because energies they output were toward each others and already the consequences were wrecked galaxies. One galaxy=up to one trillion solar systems). And Galactus actually knew he must go physically prepared against FP Tyrant, to be match for him.

Watcher is not a Celestial level and not far more powerful than FP Tyrant, if he is at all.
And would Watchers really beat FP Tyrant just like that.
Probably FP Tyrant would destroy him just as Galactus did.

So all you mentioned, Galactus was actually physically best prepared for FP Tyrant and wasn't holding back. And he knew that, because he knew how powerful is the creation he made. And that creation has in time only grown and was growing more powerful.

None of the mentioned is more powerful than FP Tyrant (especially not by far). You do remember what they used to end Tyrant threat, because Galactus wasn't enough anymore?

Everything SS has, is because of Galactus.

Galactus is smarter than Thanos. Galactus is so far beyond Thanos in any department.

Thanos is greater than Galactus in guile,manipulation,deception,intelligence,and accomplishments.

Here are some scans showing Thanos telling an ignorant Galactus not to do something and here is Galactus being stubborn as always and screwing up.

Now provide scans where Galactus shows up Thanos or else concede.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So, you're claiming Tyrant is on Galactus' level, but you won't say if Tyrant could beat him without tech or beat other Galactus level beings.

Originally posted by Utrigita
all have it.

Showing of speed.
http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlgs56uy8.jpg

define smarter more cunning, intelligent ore what?

Because Thanos data hadn't been tampered with else he would have been as completely lost as Galactus was. Galactus was kinda there? He was the one taking Doctor Strange who was all he needed to accomplishe his task, later Doctor Strange summons the rest, though if I recall correctly not on Galactus request.

I havent seen all use it.

Ah Galactus does have incredible speed. I didnt not ever see this. What comic is this from?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Are you even keeping track of this thread? I suggest you read over it. Not once have I said Galactus has beaten people greater than FP Tyrant. We are talking about DEPOWERED Tyrant, which is the one Galactus faced in their last battle. Please try to keep up and stop misinterpreting what I say.

Ok, I apologize. I thought you meant FP Tyrant. Yes, those you mentioned are, should be beyond DP Tyrant.

This thread won't solve anything between Odin Vs. DP Tyrant. Someone has own opinion, someone has different, and it will stay that way.

But he was taking Galactus blast under his own power and was becoming more powerful, so he was already becoming more than when he was only DP Tyrant (Tyrant that faced those six). We know how powerful Galactus is, so I can't see Odin putting DP Tyrant down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes he granted Surfer his powers but that doesnt mean he has superspeed. Provide a scan of him using it once otherwise quit speculating.

You just don't get it.

You really don't need a proof, it's obvious.

Everything SS has, super speed, energy manipulation, everything comes from a fraction of Galactus power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is always one step ahead of Galactus and anyone who thinks Galactus is more intelligent than Thanos is wrong and cant back that claim up at all.

Thanos is more cunning, devious, but Galactus is a more intelligent being.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So your whole argument is based on a longer battle with Odin and the fact he didnt get up right away. Thats it. Thats what you base your whole argument around?

Thanos took him on very briefly and left very quickly. He took his orb and left. Again Tyrant did more imo in less time. You cant say Odin just say Odin did more damage and leave out Odin fought him a lot longer. I strongly disagree he was even in worse shape here either but you keep ignoring the length of the battle.

You're putting too much stock into the length of the battle. Ultimately, what it boils down to is Odin struck Thanos 6 times and Tyrant 4, including the explosion they were both involved in. Not a lot of difference there.

My argument is based on Thanos actually looking more hurt against Odin than Tyrant and Thanos' inability to even budge Odin while he harmed Tyrant with every blow he landed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant said he would correct this situation and Thanos didnt disagree once Tyrant started throwing around power.

Thanos made that comment after the explosion they both made. Thanos was still talking trash to Tyrant right before it happened, so even though Thanos didn't disagree with him, he obviously wasn't very impressed with Tyrant's power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was loaded with cosmic power and was taken. It was obviously quite powerful to be used against one such as Tyrant.

Which is your speculation since you can't tell me exactly how powerful it was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was used as a weapon and you cannot argue that fact.

Not arguing against that. But how much did it help Thanos both you and I don't know, so don't say "it was obviously quite powerful."

Originally posted by quanchi112
No no no.

He would only keep powering Tyrant up with each blast.

Again dont punish Tyrant because Galactus used the tech first.

So then Thanos was desperate and had to use his tech against Thor w/PG right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus avoided a direct battle with Tyrant when he first met him because of the collateral damage and it not being worth it at the time.

You're right. Once he was ready to fight him, he himself realized how ridiculous the confrontation was because Tyrant wasn't doing anything to him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Annihilus with the bands still isnt even close to Tyrant. 😬

Annihilus has the cosmic rod, which is an energy manipulator. He also possessed the Quantum Bands, which have been used to channel the power of a Watcher before. That's more impressive than any energy absorption feat Tyrant has done on his own.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Galactus was well fed and if he could have easily defeated Tyrant he would have. Tyrant fought a more powerful Galactus and was dominating him and you speculate again and again.

And if Tyrant could have easily dominated Galactus, he would have done so instead of taking a painful blast from him and having to use Galactus' own tech against him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant is near his level while you cant prove Galactus can beat him without tech. Galactus was only further empowering Tyrant before his used the tech. Again Tyrant didnt resort to tech Galactus foolishly did.

You're right. All I have is the most powerful version of Tyrant losing to Galactus without tech. Show me a single incident of Tyrant being Galactus WITHOUT tech. That's right, you can't.

And you still won't say if you think Tyrant could stalemate people on Galactus' level like the IB, Agamotto, or a Celestial.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is always one step ahead of Galactus and anyone who thinks Galactus is more intelligent than Thanos is wrong and cant back that claim up at all.

I havent seen all use it.

Ah Galactus does have incredible speed. I didnt not ever see this. What comic is this from?

Really? The only time I cna think of that he has been one step ahead of Galactus was during the hunger incident, and even though he knew what Galactus was going to do Thanos still failed in stopping Galactus from gaining any of the gems. Based on what is Thanos more intelligent?

Which one lacks it? All can Open wormholes and move at light Speed.

One of many which shows Galactus speed I could have posted that one where his ships travels a through the universe in a instant coupled with Galactus saying that all his tech is just to save him the energy required to get from a to b.