Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Started by quanchi11242 pages

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Wow. Odin hit him one more time. I'm sure if Tyrant would have gotten in that extra hit Thanos would have been down permanently. And Thanos didn't look worse after Tyrant. Examine.

This is after Odin:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512666

Notice it taking him struggling so much to get up that it takes him 4 panels to completely do it.

This is after Tyrant:

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tyrant107pa.jpg

Notice Thanos is up without any problem, smiling, and still trash talking Tyrant. But sure he's more hurt after this fight.

Wait. Is that those same top tiers you just claimed Tyrant whoops on and can't harm him? Then why should it matter that he fought them beforehand, unless you think they actually weakened him.

Odin one shot both SS and Drax. Tyrant couldn't one shot any of the top tiers he fought.

Never said they weren't as powerful. I said Thanos was blocking the one blast while he was pressing forward.

You still haven't answered my question. If it made that much of a difference, why didn't Tyrant acknowledge it instead of just commenting on Thanos' power?

He didn't. Look at the scans above.

Doesn't matter that she stood no chance. You claimed the orb had to be very powerful to hurt Tyrant. I proved you wrong because Ganymede has hurt him before, and she doesn't stand a chance against Tyrant.

Odin was fine, too. In fact, Odin wasn't even harmed one single time, unlike Tyrant.

One more time is still one more time.

Again Thanos had his clothes completely destroyed in the Tyrant battle but in the Odin one they were only singed. He gets up in both scenarios but in one he leaves but in the other he stays. Hm.

Top tiers can eventually damage Odin and Tyrant if given enough time. To battle more is to expend more energy. Tyrant wasnt as fresh as Odin was is the point.

Again Tyrant beat down the top tiers he faced easily and there were more powerful ones and more of them involved here than against Odin.

Thanos was taking a gungir blast dead on and pressing forward. Doesnt make Odin look at that badass when someone is just wading through his powerful blasts now does it?

Why would Tyrant have to acknowledge it? He wanted the orb and its obvious it contained raw power.

Odin didnt face the orb or Ganymede so this is irrelevant. He also didnt face a prepped Thanos. You seem to ignore these obvious differences.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Just wanted to know that you believe Thanos was going to lose the fight against Thor so he had to resort to tech.

Funny thing is both Thanos and Galactus stated their reasons for using tech. Your refusal to believe what is written and use your own opinion is laughable.

Both used tech to end their opponent. Both wanted to defeat their opponent. One worked easily and one completely backfired. What am I taking out of context?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Show me one statement anywhere that states Galactus thought the battle was harder than he planned. Otherwise, stop speculating what he was thinking when he was saying otherwise.

You're right. Me suggesting that a skyfather-level being like Tyrant wouldn't survive a blast that destroyed 3 star systems and incinerated a Celestial-level being like a Watcher is just outrageous. 🙄

Whether he was starving or not doesn't matter. The fact is the Annihilation blast was FAR more powerful than the blast he hit Tyrant with.

Did I once say Tyrant couldn't beat Quasar or Annihilus? No.

I haven't forgotten, but it didn't power him up nearly as much as you are acting like. He still didn't do sh*t to Galactus with his next "powered up" attack.

Of course that's all Galactus knows how to do is blast, right.

Tyrant did nothing until he used Galactus' own tech against him. Galactus already stated why he used the tech. You throwing in your own opinion isn't going to change what is written, no matter how much you like Tyrant.

Again Galactus believes he would have to exert himself I am sure but in the battle he thought he could easily defeat Tyrant with tech. He couldnt have been more wrong and stupid.

You saying Tyrant is skyfather level is speculation. He was beating on an abstract level being and whipping his ass. I dont know any skyfather that can beat a well fed prepped Galactus.

Again the blast didnt kill Annihilus but you think it will take out Tyrant is laughable. Plus Galactus was starving and this wasnt even close to one of his most powerful attacks.

You are acting as if Tyrant couldnt survive something the quantum bands wielders can.

Galactus powered him up. 😬

While Galactus was actually making him stronger Tyrant was actually doing damage. Galactus resorted to tech to end the threat and was completely countered. Again Galactus resorted to tech it wasnt Tyrant who was scrambling to use tech.

Again just because you think this writing is crap its canon and showed Tyrant could dominate Galactus.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos was more powerful in Tyrant fight, but looked worse after Odin fight. Although Thanos knew Tyrant would kill him, if the battle continued, he still looked worse after Odin fight.
I disagree. He was nowhere near defeat in either one and I look at his clothes as a sign of which did more damage.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And Thanos used far more time on collecting them, then it toke for Galactus which was my point. And Again would Thanos have believed otherwise if there had been tampered with his data too...

Correct but Thanos didn't have to make a star to supernova and then teleport into the middle of it and then open a portal to claim just one of the gems. Thanos worked against the best of the Universe and he had the Gauntlet to place them in, Galactus however believed he constructed a device that gave him a endless supply of Biosphere energy. So where Thanos already had what he needed the Gauntlet, Galactus constructed it.

Ever heard of PIS... No I hadn't maked that statement I said what you believe puts Thanos on Galactus level of Intelligence.

Thanos had to meet some resistance and wasnt just finding them lying around. Of course it was more difficult.

Galactus was an idiot and Thanos had it right when he thought he could create this endless energy. Galactus had his equipment tampered with as well and wouldnt listen to Thanos. Thanos looked a helluva lot smarter than Galactus who looked rather idiotic and easy to fool. It seems all you have to do is tamper with his stuff.

Again Galactus seemed like a total and complete moron when pitted against Tyrant. This is after he had prep against a being he himself created. 😬

Thanos created a being who was said to be more powerful than Galactus just messing around. Thanos intelligence>Galactus. You have nothing.

I disagree here friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Thanos had to meet some resistance and wasnt just finding them lying around. Of course it was more difficult.

Guess who Galactus took the Soul Gem from, and who was with him? Thanos was caught off-guard and un-prepped, even as he was discovering what Galactus was doing.

Thanos has demonstrated a severe propensity for idiocy...unfortunately I can't upload my scans at the moment due to imageshack's bad servers, but you'll know what I"m talking about.

Captain Marvel 33...Thanos is busy using the powers of the cosmic cube on captain marvel and drax, gloating and toying with them. Captain Marvel notices that Thanos, in a huge tactical and idiotic manner, has casually tossed aside the cosmic cube. Captain marvel karate chops the cube, and Death is shown laughing at Thanos' incompetence.

Infinity Gauntlet...Thanos becomes Eternity, and the mindless, tortured Nebula takes the IG from Thanos, in a huge tactical and idiotic blunder.

Galactus had his equipment tampered with as well and wouldnt listen to Thanos. Thanos looked a helluva lot smarter than Galactus who looked rather idiotic and easy to fool. It seems all you have to do is tamper with his stuff.

Actually...it's Thanos' fault that Hunger even wanted to come into the 616 universe to begin with. That's right....everyone's so quick to blame Galactus, but he only gave Hunger the means to enter the reality...it was actually Thanos by collecting the IG that really made Hunger to take notice and direct his efforts toward 616 marvel. Yeah, it's Thanos' fault that Hunger even KNEW about the 616 universe. I'll provide the scans later.

Further, Galactus was essentially looking at data that so far, in all of his 40+ year history, is the ONLY thing that he has desired. I think that's easy for many to overlook, but you have to take it for what it is....above all else, above even his desire to survive-which is the one and only motivator for everything Galactus has done since 1966's FF #48 to last wednesday's Nova #14, aside from the point I'm about to make-is to rid himself of the perpetual hunger and slavery to it.

I don't know but if you've lived for 20+ billion years, and 1 day saw the possibility for the one thing you've desired since the literal dawn of time...I'm not saying it's an excuse, but Thanos has been duped and deceived by FAR less (see above concerning his desire for ultimate power).

Hunger even admitted that the only way to gain entry was to an entity "of considerable power and intellect" in order to breach a dimensional barrier, so Hunger needed someone who could easily perform that feat. Furthermore, Hunger states that he needed an "exceptionally gifted individual, but one that has a deep-seated weakness I could exploit"

So Hunger found the deep-seated weakness in the form of G wanting to rid the universe of his torment.

On a final note..Thanos has been manipulated and tricked by a creature FAR less than Hunger....Annihilus. Annihilus used Thanos for his own means, and only by using Moondragon was Thanos able to figure out what his plans were, and realize the fool that he was for siding with Annihilus.

True, Thanos had the better hand on Galactus through the series. But Thanos literally did nothing but stand by while T&A put the beat-down on Big G...and it was only by coincidence that Thanos ran into T&A...THanos had originally sent the Fallen One to the Kyln to retrieve the Beyonder, of all people, to use against Galactus, but finding the Maker seemingly dead, Fallen One instead ran into T&A by sheer coincidence.

So again, Thanos threatened the universe once more by siding with Annihilus and allowing him to use Galactus for a bomb.

For our discussion, it's important to note that the absolute last canon thing Thanos does in Marvel Comics (at least until he's resurrected) is to try and undo a mistake that HE HIMSELF (i.e., Thanos) was dupped into doing. Thanos was desperately trying to clean up his own mess...you're so quick to call Galactus an idiot when 1. Thanos was the one who attracted Hunger to 616 universe, NOT Galactus. and 2. Thanos was the "idiot" who played along with Annihilus before realizing, yet again, that he would be the cause of the universe's doom. So the last thing Thanos does in Marvel Comics is to try to clean up his own mess by freeing Galactus. He dies before he can do that. As a result, Galactus cleans up Thanos' mess by wiping out everything that Thanos and Annihlus had achieved together with literally one blow.

Again Galactus seemed like a total and complete moron when pitted against Tyrant. This is after he had prep against a being he himself created. 😬

Yeah I grant you that. I can only call that terrible writing on the part of Mike Lackey...his writing is utterly grotesque. Since when do cosmic characters talk like they're a petty criminal?

Thanos created a being who was said to be more powerful than Galactus just messing around.

Stated to be more powerful, perhaps. In terms of on-panel feats, absolutely not in any fashion, and you have to concede to that. It took far less to put down Omega...hell they even used Spider-Man's webbing as part of the plan. You NEVER use something like Peter Parker's synthetic webbing against a COSMIC ENTITY. Explain it whatever you will...Omega was put down very easily. If you want to talk who's the better genetic engineer....

Full Power Tyrant vs. Omega, I'm giving this to Full-Power Tyrant all day.

Thanos intelligence>Galactus. You have nothing.

The same issue of Thanos #3...Thanos observes Galactus using his tech in the sun...Thanos did not know what the energies were being converted into...Thanos was "fascinated" by Galactus' tech....that's pretty self-explanatory right there. G's tech>>>>Thanos' tech...if you think otherwise you'll have to prove with scans.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I disagree here friend.

Guess who Galactus took the Soul Gem from, and who was with him? Thanos was caught off-guard and un-prepped, even as he was discovering what Galactus was doing.

Thanos has demonstrated a severe propensity for idiocy...unfortunately I can't upload my scans at the moment due to imageshack's bad servers, but you'll know what I"m talking about.

Captain Marvel 33...Thanos is busy using the powers of the cosmic cube on captain marvel and drax, gloating and toying with them. Captain Marvel notices that Thanos, in a huge tactical and idiotic manner, has casually tossed aside the cosmic cube. Captain marvel karate chops the cube, and Death is shown laughing at Thanos' incompetence.

Infinity Gauntlet...Thanos becomes Eternity, and the mindless, tortured Nebula takes the IG from Thanos, in a huge tactical and idiotic blunder.

Actually...it's Thanos' fault that Hunger even wanted to come into the 616 universe to begin with. That's right....everyone's so quick to blame Galactus, but he only gave Hunger the means to enter the reality...it was actually Thanos by collecting the IG that really made Hunger to take notice and direct his efforts toward 616 marvel. Yeah, it's Thanos' fault that Hunger even KNEW about the 616 universe. I'll provide the scans later.

Further, Galactus was essentially looking at data that so far, in all of his 40+ year history, is the ONLY thing that he has desired. I think that's easy for many to overlook, but you have to take it for what it is....above all else, above even his desire to survive-which is the one and only motivator for everything Galactus has done since 1966's FF #48 to last wednesday's Nova #14, aside from the point I'm about to make-is to rid himself of the perpetual hunger and slavery to it.

I don't know but if you've lived for 20+ billion years, and 1 day saw the possibility for the one thing you've desired since the literal dawn of time...I'm not saying it's an excuse, but Thanos has been duped and deceived by FAR less (see above concerning his desire for ultimate power).

Hunger even admitted that the only way to gain entry was to an entity "of considerable power and intellect" in order to breach a dimensional barrier, so Hunger needed someone who could easily perform that feat. Furthermore, Hunger states that he needed an "exceptionally gifted individual, but one that has a deep-seated weakness I could exploit"

So Hunger found the deep-seated weakness in the form of G wanting to rid the universe of his torment.

On a final note..Thanos has been manipulated and tricked by a creature FAR less than Hunger....Annihilus. Annihilus used Thanos for his own means, and only by using Moondragon was Thanos able to figure out what his plans were, and realize the fool that he was for siding with Annihilus.

True, Thanos had the better hand on Galactus through the series. But Thanos literally did nothing but stand by while T&A put the beat-down on Big G...and it was only by coincidence that Thanos ran into T&A...THanos had originally sent the Fallen One to the Kyln to retrieve the Beyonder, of all people, to use against Galactus, but finding the Maker seemingly dead, Fallen One instead ran into T&A by sheer coincidence.

So again, Thanos threatened the universe once more by siding with Annihilus and allowing him to use Galactus for a bomb.

For our discussion, it's important to note that the absolute last canon thing Thanos does in Marvel Comics (at least until he's resurrected) is to try and undo a mistake that HE HIMSELF (i.e., Thanos) was dupped into doing. Thanos was desperately trying to clean up his own mess...you're so quick to call Galactus an idiot when 1. Thanos was the one who attracted Hunger to 616 universe, NOT Galactus. and 2. Thanos was the "idiot" who played along with Annihilus before realizing, yet again, that he would be the cause of the universe's doom. So the last thing Thanos does in Marvel Comics is to try to clean up his own mess by freeing Galactus. He dies before he can do that. As a result, Galactus cleans up Thanos' mess by wiping out everything that Thanos and Annihlus had achieved together with literally one blow.

Yeah I grant you that. I can only call that terrible writing on the part of Mike Lackey...his writing is utterly grotesque. Since when do cosmic characters talk like they're a petty criminal?

Stated to be more powerful, perhaps. In terms of on-panel feats, absolutely not in any fashion, and you have to concede to that. It took far less to put down Omega...hell they even used Spider-Man's webbing as part of the plan. You NEVER use something like Peter Parker's synthetic webbing against a COSMIC ENTITY. Explain it whatever you will...Omega was put down very easily. If you want to talk who's the better genetic engineer....

Full Power Tyrant vs. Omega, I'm giving this to Full-Power Tyrant all day.

The same issue of Thanos #3...Thanos observes Galactus using his tech in the sun...Thanos did not know what the energies were being converted into...Thanos was "fascinated" by Galactus' tech....that's pretty self-explanatory right there. G's tech>>>>Thanos' tech...if you think otherwise you'll have to prove with scans.

The villain has to lose sooner or later. Thanos has been shown in the past so subconsciously allow himself to be defeated.

It doesnt matter if Thanos started the process. The point is Galactus allowed him entry and the Hunger thanked him for it. This was after he refused to listen to Thanos because he is a moron. Thanos defeated what Galactus set loose anyways and badly injured Galactus from this. Thanos cleaned up the situation not Galactus.

Thanos was deceived by Annihilus but wa sonly playing along as he was bored. Once he figured it out he took immediate action to stop him. Thanos himself found out through Moondragon because he never fully trusted Annihilus.

Should I go about naming times in which the Thing and the ff 4 have defeated Galactus to prove he is idiotic. Thanos when he wants to becomes a universal threat while Galactus just is a slave to his own hunger and powerless to do anything about it. Thats sad.

Galactus cleaned up his mess because Thanos wasnt wanting him to be held prisoner anymore. If Thanos was still against freeing him he would have never turned his back to Drax trying to free him in the first place.

Galactus is more powerful than Thanos and thats the only reason he could do what he did. He showed no intelligence in defeating Annihilus only raw power.

😐

Again Omega was stated as more powerful than Galactus on panel. Whether he is or isnt doesnt matter. He created a Galactus clone on his own.

Now while Galactus created Tyrant thats awesome but he was also idiotic in their second encounter and showed how unintelligent he can be against the very same being he himself created. 😬

Again Thanos had Galactus captured and had him rigged up leaving him alive barely. Thanos wanted Galactus prisoner and it happened.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The villain has to lose sooner or later. Thanos has been shown in the past so subconsciously allow himself to be defeated.

It doesnt matter if Thanos started the process. The point is Galactus allowed him entry and the Hunger thanked him for it. This was after he refused to listen to Thanos because he is a moron. Thanos defeated what Galactus set loose anyways and badly injured Galactus from this. Thanos cleaned up the situation not Galactus.

Thanos was deceived by Annihilus but wa sonly playing along as he was bored. Once he figured it out he took immediate action to stop him. Thanos himself found out through Moondragon because he never fully trusted Annihilus.

Should I go about naming times in which the Thing and the ff 4 have defeated Galactus to prove he is idiotic. Thanos when he wants to becomes a universal threat while Galactus just is a slave to his own hunger and powerless to do anything about it. Thats sad.

Galactus is more powerful than Thanos and thats the only reason he could do what he did. He showed no intelligence in defeating Annihilus only raw power.

😐

Again Omega was stated as more powerful than Galactus on panel. Whether he is or isnt doesnt matter. He created a Galactus clone on his own.

Now while Galactus created Tyrant thats awesome but he was also idiotic in their second encounter and showed how unintelligent he can be against the very same being he himself created. 😬

Again Thanos had Galactus captured and had him rigged up leaving him alive barely. Thanos wanted Galactus prisoner and it happened.

Thanos did nothing to capture Galactus...it's exactly along the lines of what you said about Galactus defeating Annihilus...raw power (Tenebrous and Aegis, who already had cause to move against Galactus, so they would have moved against him anyway regardless of what THanos did).

Well the fact that the villain has to lose sooner or later does not ignore the fact that Thanos is completely inept when it comes to supreme power...it's just as canon, and has been repeated, as the regrettable Omega incident. The fact is that when Thanos starts playing in the realm of abstract beings...he's a complete idiot. This has happened twice....it's happened by people literally taking away a small cube or a glove with 6 colored jewels from his hand because he carelessly left them. I find it hard pressed that anyone would allow that to happen after attaining supposed "God-hood".

Thanos playing along with Annihilus....what happens when a kid plays with a shotgun because he's bored? Does that mean the kid is stupid for playing with the gun? Or just bored? Or BOTH? That in itself is incompetence...he played along with Annihilus and Thanos got burned. For all his prep and planning, he still needed Moondragon, and he still failed to take into account Drax, whom he taunted and goaded before Annihliation began by sending Drax Moondragon's ear. So Thanos knew Drax would be a factor....but failed to take Drax into account. That's indesputable.

Summary: he played along with Annihilus, he strategically underestimated his foe, he had to use an external agent once more (thanos has a habit of using Moondragon to do things he himself cannot) he discovered what was going on, and he took immediate action to undo what he himself had done. It's not undo what Annihilus did...it's undo what THANOS himself did...which was to use Galactus' own tech to rig up Galactus directly to Annihilus' machines.

Thanos rigging up Galactus with Galactus' own tech to Annihilus' machines is exactly the same thing as Galactus using the Infinity Gems to allow Hunger entry. They're the same exact thing. Only Thanos failed to take into consideration a litany of external factors (DRAX) and Thanos nearly cost the universe its existence due to his ARROGANCE ("I was merely curious to see what would unfold"😉, which makes no difference from Galactus nearly costing the universe its existence against Hunger.

Again, had Thanos not been involved, had Thanos not been manipulated by Annihilus...it's arguable that Galactus would have ended the entire affair himself.

Galactus cleaned up his mess because Thanos wasnt wanting him to be held prisoner anymore. If Thanos was still against freeing him he would have never turned his back to Drax trying to free him in the first place.

You mean, Thanos didn't want to admit that he'd been taken advantage of and off guard by Annihilus, and Thanos did not want to take part in the destruction of the universe by Annihilus.

If Thanos was still against freeing Galactus, then that automatically means he concedes to Annihlus' plans, meaning that having realized the truth by using Moondragon, instead of acting to counter it (free Galactus) he goes along with the plan like "one of Annihilus' lackeys" as Moondragon actually called Thanos. So, had no choice but to clean up a mess he himself created....it's not a matter of him not "wanting Galactus to be held prisoner" it's a matter of realizing that he'd been out-maneuvred by Annihilus, and taking desperate steps to counter-move. He failed, because an external factor he didn't consider (DRAX) stopped him.

Thanos was manipulated by Annihlus, and failed to properly account for external factors.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Thanos did nothing to capture Galactus...it's exactly along the lines of what you said about Galactus defeating Annihilus...raw power (Tenebrous and Aegis, who already had cause to move against Galactus, so they would have moved against him anyway regardless of what THanos did).

Well the fact that the villain has to lose sooner or later does not ignore the fact that Thanos is completely inept when it comes to supreme power...it's just as canon, and has been repeated, as the regrettable Omega incident. The fact is that when Thanos starts playing in the realm of abstract beings...he's a complete idiot. This has happened twice....it's happened by people literally taking away a small cube or a glove with 6 colored jewels from his hand because he carelessly left them. I find it hard pressed that anyone would allow that to happen after attaining supposed "God-hood".

Thanos playing along with Annihilus....what happens when a kid plays with a shotgun because he's bored? Does that mean the kid is stupid for playing with the gun? Or just bored? Or BOTH? That in itself is incompetence...he played along with Annihilus and Thanos got burned. For all his prep and planning, he still needed Moondragon, and he still failed to take into account Drax, whom he taunted and goaded before Annihliation began by sending Drax Moondragon's ear. So Thanos knew Drax would be a factor....but failed to take Drax into account. That's indesputable.

Summary: he played along with Annihilus, he strategically underestimated his foe, he had to use an external agent once more (thanos has a habit of using Moondragon to do things he himself cannot) he discovered what was going on, and he took immediate action to undo what he himself had done. It's not undo what Annihilus did...it's undo what THANOS himself did...which was to use Galactus' own tech to rig up Galactus directly to Annihilus' machines.

Thanos rigging up Galactus with Galactus' own tech to Annihilus' machines is exactly the same thing as Galactus using the Infinity Gems to allow Hunger entry. They're the same exact thing. Only Thanos failed to take into consideration a litany of external factors (DRAX) and Thanos nearly cost the universe its existence due to his ARROGANCE ("I was merely curious to see what would unfold"😉, which makes no difference from Galactus nearly costing the universe its existence against Hunger.

Again, had Thanos not been involved, had Thanos not been manipulated by Annihilus...it's arguable that Galactus would have ended the entire affair himself.

You mean, Thanos didn't want to admit that he'd been taken advantage of and off guard by Annihilus, and Thanos did not want to take part in the destruction of the universe by Annihilus.

If Thanos was still against freeing Galactus, then that automatically means he concedes to Annihlus' plans, meaning that having realized the truth by using Moondragon, instead of acting to counter it (free Galactus) he goes along with the plan like "one of Annihilus' lackeys" as Moondragon actually called Thanos. So, had no choice but to clean up a mess he himself created....it's not a matter of him not "wanting Galactus to be held prisoner" it's a matter of realizing that he'd been out-maneuvred by Annihilus, and taking desperate steps to counter-move. He failed, because an external factor he didn't consider (DRAX) stopped him.

Thanos was manipulated by Annihlus, and failed to properly account for external factors.

Well in the end Thanos didnt lose when he had true supreme power. The ig never was supreme but when he did actually have supreme power he cursbtomped the entire marvel u.

To say he is a complete idiot is ignorant to say the least. He barely was defeated by Captain Marvel and he faced a shitload of opposition, in the ig saga he defeated the abstracts easily which includes Galactus who was nothing compared to him.

Thanos arranged for Galactus ot be captured. He doesnt have the raw power himself and instead sent word to two beings who did. Galactus was easily beaten.

Again Thanos used his brain and had Galactus taken. He could have killed Galactus if he wanted to.

Thanos found infinite power wanting after the ig saga and thats why he didnt try to obtain it again. He was done that road once and found it didnt fulfill him.

How do you compare Thanos allying himself with Annihilus to a child playing with a gun. Thanos doesnt have a childlike intelligence. He also allied himself with Annihilus because of Mistress deaths favor for him. He never fully trusted him and when he found out himself using Moondragon he then set in motion to release Galactus which completely destroyed his plans. His plans revolved around Galactus as a bomb.

Again Thanos sent Moondragon to stall him but she couldnt and Drax's new powers took Thanos out. Thats it. He had powers previously unseen by Thanos.

Saying they are the same exact thing is erroneous at best. Thanos never fully trusted Annihilus and found out himself while Galactus refused to heed Thanos warning and then released Hunger. See Thanos was aware before the Galactus bomb went off while Galactus was only aware after he released the Hunger being. Thanos became aware before the event happened while Galactus became aware after the event happened.

Correction if Thanos had chosen not to intervene simply because he was bored then maybe Galactus wouldnt have been taken captive.

Again all that needed to take place to throw off Annihilus' plans was to release galactus which happened. Thanos would have done so if the external factor hadnt been involved. So it woul dhave been easy as pie for Thanos to prevent universal genocide.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One more time is still one more time.

Again Thanos had his clothes completely destroyed in the Tyrant battle but in the Odin one they were only singed. He gets up in both scenarios but in one he leaves but in the other he stays. Hm.

Clothes destroyed...wow. Pretty igsignificant. Like the Galactus blast proves, it doesn't matter what their clothes look like. What matters is the actual condition the character is in, which he was more beat up after the Odin fight. And you keep mentioning Thanos leaving the Tyrant fight while ignoring your favorite advice, which is context.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Top tiers can eventually damage Odin and Tyrant if given enough time. To battle more is to expend more energy. Tyrant wasnt as fresh as Odin was is the point.

Tyrant expended more energy because he couldn't put the top tiers down in a single blast the way Odin did to Drax and Surfer. However, if he is at Galactus' level the way you claim, top tiers wouldn't require much energy at all to deal with.

[QUOTE=10653214]Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Again Tyrant beat down the top tiers he faced easily and there were more powerful ones and more of them involved here than against Odin.

Not refuting that Tyrant took them down easily, but it took him three blasts to finally put Surfer down. It only took Odin one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was taking a gungir blast dead on and pressing forward. Doesnt make Odin look at that badass when someone is just wading through his powerful blasts now does it?

It just means the person he's fighting is durable as hell. Thanos still couldn't even make Odin budge from any of his attacks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would Tyrant have to acknowledge it? He wanted the orb and its obvious it contained raw power.

Because when Thanos blasted him, Tyrant commented that he was more powerful than the others he just faced. If his strength was being augmented enough by the orb to allow Thanos to hurt him, Tyrant either would have acknowledged it or wouldn't have commented on Thanos' power alone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin didnt face the orb or Ganymede so this is irrelevant. He also didnt face a prepped Thanos. You seem to ignore these obvious differences.

No, it IS revelant, because now you are backtracking. You said the orb Thanos was holding had to be powerful because it hurt Thanos. By this you mean only powerful things can hurt Tyrant. Ganymede is nowhere near as powerful as Thanos, Tyrant, or even SS yet she hurt Tyrant. That's the point.

Thanos is not stupid. He knew going into Asgard meant eventually facing Odin. Hell, they went to Asgard to meet Odin and get his help.

Tyrant faced a Thanos with an orb whose power even he apparently didn't acknowledge. Odin faced Thanos and SS at the same time, and I doubt the orb contained enough power to match the Surfer. The only other prep Thanos had was learning Tyrant's history with Galactus. That's not going to help him in a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both used tech to end their opponent. Both wanted to defeat their opponent. One worked easily and one completely backfired. What am I taking out of context?

The fact that Thanos used tech because he was bored with the fight, and Galactus used it because he said the battle was ridiculous. It's clearly stated in both comics.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The fact that Thanos used tech because he was bored with the fight, and Galactus used it because he said the battle was ridiculous. It's clearly stated in both comics.
Yes and Thanos' worked easily. While Galactus backfired. See the obvious differences.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Galactus believes he would have to exert himself I am sure but in the battle he thought he could easily defeat Tyrant with tech. He couldnt have been more wrong and stupid.

Yes, he was wrong and stupid, but that doesn't change the fact that Tyrant couldn't do anything to him. Tyrant only gets the upper hand by reversing Galactus' tech, but since when has Galactus ever needed tech to drain any of his creations?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You saying Tyrant is skyfather level is speculation. He was beating on an abstract level being and whipping his ass. I dont know any skyfather that can beat a well fed prepped Galactus.

He wasn't doing sh*t until he reversed Galactus' tech to drain Galactus instead of himself. If Tyrant really is as powerful as you claim, then he should have no problem whipping another abstract level being's ass, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again the blast didnt kill Annihilus but you think it will take out Tyrant is laughable. Plus Galactus was starving and this wasnt even close to one of his most powerful attacks.

You are acting as if Tyrant couldnt survive something the quantum bands wielders can.

Again, the Quantum Bands have shows energy manipulation and absorption far beyond what Tyrant has shown, so it's feasible that that's the reason Annihilus survived it.

Show me another blast from Galactus that has caused more destruction than that one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus powered him up. 😬

While Galactus was actually making him stronger Tyrant was actually doing damage. Galactus resorted to tech to end the threat and was completely countered. Again Galactus resorted to tech it wasnt Tyrant who was scrambling to use tech.

Yes, Galactus powered him up but not before Tyrant felt a hell of a lot of pain for it. If a simple blast like that caused Tyrant that much pain, then a blast the magnitude of the Annihilation will cause an insane amount more. Could Tyrant survive that? I don't know. I can't prove that he wouldn't, but you can't prove that he would.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again just because you think this writing is crap its canon and showed Tyrant could dominate Galactus.

I know it's canon. So are a lot of things that are dismissed as PIS. As I said before, if Tyrant is truly on the level you claim he is, then he should have no problem facing other abstract-level beings, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes and Thanos' worked easily. While Galactus backfired. See the obvious differences.

The point is neither one of them used it out of your supposed desperation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had to meet some resistance and wasnt just finding them lying around. Of course it was more difficult.

Galactus was an idiot and Thanos had it right when he thought he could create this endless energy. Galactus had his equipment tampered with as well and wouldnt listen to Thanos. Thanos looked a helluva lot smarter than Galactus who looked rather idiotic and easy to fool. It seems all you have to do is tamper with his stuff.

Again Galactus seemed like a total and complete moron when pitted against Tyrant. This is after he had prep against a being he himself created. 😬

Thanos created a being who was said to be more powerful than Galactus just messing around. Thanos intelligence>Galactus. You have nothing.

Them lying around? One was placed on Adam Warlock another on Moondragon I believe along with Pip, and when did Thanos have to blow up a Star to create the conditions for opening a portal to receive one of them gems.

And Galactus had no reason to believe Thanos the slighest, Thanos had done nothing then directly work against Galactus, why should he trust him, when Thanos hadn't given him a single reason to do so? Please read up a bit on Hungers powers and Abilities http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/hungerthanos.htm as mentioned he influenced Galactus from over a reality away, Thanos wasn't in any way affected because as mentioned by Tenebrous Hunger himself didn't need Thanos he needed Galactus.

Hence PIS, Galactus "lost" vital information about a Character to further the plot the to point where Morg intervented.

Taking the chance of extrating DNA and then try and manipulate into creating Omega was a Challenge for Thanos he didn't abandon the experiment of out boredom but rather out of fear and must I remind you what a massive failure Omega was?

However when Galactus created Tyrant he has no problems what so ever in his creation of him and he had nothing he began from scratch. Also when has Reed and Doom been completely speechless from observing Thanos technology level?

The really funny part was when Galactus was somehow unable to teleport away from the planetary explosion xD

Originally posted by llagrok
The really funny part was when Galactus was somehow unable to teleport away from the planetary explosion xD

Or how Galactus is really a white bald man.....yeah...how he stared at the approaching planets in disbelief...the man dines on planets regularly-it's like two slices of pizza slowly approaching a hungry fat dude, and instead of eating the pizza, he let's them hit him in the face, and he falls down hurt.

.....well it is Starlin's book, with his character, written and drawn by him.

Originally posted by llagrok
The really funny part was when Galactus was somehow unable to teleport away from the planetary explosion xD

The more funny part is that he was hurt from the planetary collisions when he placed himself in the middle of a exploding star with no visible aftereffects.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The point is neither one of them used it out of your supposed desperation.
Thanos couldnt beat him otherwise so he used it. Thor was tapping into the power gem so he couldnt have been physically beaten, while Galactus resorted to tech to end Tyrant which it completely backfired.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos couldnt beat him otherwise so he used it. Thor was tapping into the power gem so he couldnt have been physically beaten, while Galactus resorted to tech to end Tyrant which it completely backfired.

But there are other ways to beat a PG user besides using tech. He could have taken the gem from him. After all, Thor took it from Drax.