Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok, I apologize. I thought you meant FP Tyrant. Yes, those you mentioned are, should be beyond DP Tyrant.

Accepted.

Originally posted by Xplosive
This thread won't solve anything between Odin Vs. DP Tyrant. Someone has own opinion, someone has different, and it will stay that way.

I agree. Being that Tyrant doesn't have enough showings against powerful people, there's no way we can ascertain how he compares to someone who has decades of feats. In my opinion, I think Odin is more powerful, and if Marvel shows me I'm wrong in the future, I have no problem with that. My issue is when people try to claim that Tyrant is definitively more powerful than Odin instead of just ackowledging it's their opinion.

Originally posted by Xplosive
But he was taking Galactus blast under his own power and was becoming more powerful, so he was already becoming more than when he was only DP Tyrant (Tyrant that faced those six).

And as a result of his powerup from Galactus' blast, he uses it to scratch Galan's finger. So how significant was the powerup?

Originally posted by Xplosive
We know how powerful Galactus is, so I can't see Odin putting DP Tyrant down.

This is the difference. This statement clearly shows it is your opinion, and I respect that. I don't agree, but I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, because there is no definitive proof favoring one side or the other.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok, I apologize. I thought you meant FP Tyrant. Yes, those you mentioned are, should be beyond DP Tyrant.

This thread won't solve anything between Odin Vs. DP Tyrant. Someone has own opinion, someone has different, and it will stay that way.

But he was taking Galactus blast under his own power and was becoming more powerful, so he was already becoming more than when he was only DP Tyrant (Tyrant that faced those six). We know how powerful Galactus is, so I can't see Odin putting DP Tyrant down.

You just don't get it.

You really don't need a proof, it's obvious.

Everything SS has, super speed, energy manipulation, everything comes from a fraction of Galactus power.

Thanos is more cunning, devious, but Galactus is a more intelligent being.

Again Thanos is more intelligent. Galactus is much older but tha doesnt mean he is more intelligent. In stories they both have been in Thanos seems to be more knowledgeable than galactus and he also had the ig and the heart.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're putting too much stock into the length of the battle. Ultimately, what it boils down to is Odin struck Thanos 6 times and Tyrant 4, including the explosion they were both involved in. Not a lot of difference there.

My argument is based on Thanos actually looking more hurt against Odin than Tyrant and Thanos' inability to even budge Odin while he harmed Tyrant with every blow he landed.

Thanos made that comment after the explosion they both made. Thanos was still talking trash to Tyrant right before it happened, so even though Thanos didn't disagree with him, he obviously wasn't very impressed with Tyrant's power.

Which is your speculation since you can't tell me exactly how powerful it was.

Not arguing against that. But how much did it help Thanos both you and I don't know, so don't say "it was obviously quite powerful."

Thanos attacked Tyrant with a weapon but when he attacked Odin he didnt have the orb. Huge difference friend.

Thanos asked him to prove it which Tyrant did. Very simple. Thanos withstood him and for him that was enough but Thanos didnt say he could beat him after this.

The orb was used to hurt Tyrant which to me means its very powerful considering he whips his ass with top tiers and can beat on Galactus and make him back down and give in to his demands.

To hurt Tyrant means it is a powerful weapon.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So then Thanos was desperate and had to use his tech against Thor w/PG right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
it has been proven but not by you. I accept it as I have seen it.

Like I said, I didn't need to prove it, because it's obvious and logical and I can't understand how you just couldn't see that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos is more intelligent. Galactus is much older but tha doesnt mean he is more intelligent. In stories they both have been in Thanos seems to be more knowledgeable than galactus and he also had the ig and the heart.

Also Adam had IG. Thanos haivn HOTI wasn't because of his intelliengce.

Thanos to be more knowledgeable than Galactus? No way.
Galactus is also more intelligent.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're right. Once he was ready to fight him, he himself realized how ridiculous the confrontation was because Tyrant wasn't doing anything to him.

Annihilus has the cosmic rod, which is an energy manipulator. He also possessed the Quantum Bands, which have been used to channel the power of a Watcher before. That's more impressive than any energy absorption feat Tyrant has done on his own.

And if Tyrant could have easily dominated Galactus, he would have done so instead of taking a painful blast from him and having to use Galactus' own tech against him.

To even compare Annihilus to Tyrant is ignorant at best. It shows the lengths you will go to in this debate. Annihilus had his jaw ripped out by Nova. He was defeated by Nova while Tyrant biched Surfer and many other top tiers at once. Surfer is greater than Nova himself yet Nova killed Annihilus.

Again Tyrant was beating him from the start.

He was absorbing his energy and didnt once resort to tech. Galactus used tech so this was his tactic which Tyrant easily reversed.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Like I said, I didn't need to prove it, because it's obvious and logical and I can't understand how you just couldn't see that.

Also Adam had IG. Thanos haivn HOTI wasn't because of his intelliengce.

Thanos to be more knowledgeable than Galactus? No way.
Galactus is also more intelligent.

Adam also learned a lot through his experience with the ig.

Again I saw the scan and know that Galactus is capable of such speed.

Thanos has had access to more knowledge than Galactus when he had the ig and the heart and has also looked smarter in stories concerning the two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin still struck him more times. Thanos was also charging right through his blasts. He didnt just battle Odin either but had to beat some asgardian ass beforehand.

How is that any different than Thanos going through Tyrant's drones plus Morg to get to Tyrant?

As for the number of strikes that landed, Odin landed 5, the first of which wasn't even close to full power. Tyrant landed 4, and Thanos looked fine. One more hit wouldn't have made too much of a difference.

The only blast Thanos "charged" through was the second Gungnir blast, which Thanos had to defend himself from while walking through. Thanos never even attempted blocking any of Tyrant's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos attacked Tyrant with a weapon but when he attacked Odin he didnt have the orb. Huge difference friend.

If it were that huge of a difference, why didn't Tyrant comment on the orb's power instead of just Thanos'?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos asked him to prove it which Tyrant did. Very simple. Thanos withstood him and for him that was enough but Thanos didnt say he could beat him after this.

After that comment, the only thing that happened was the explosion caused by BOTH of them during their "game of mercy". How is that proving anything?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was used to hurt Tyrant which to me means its very powerful considering he whips his ass with top tiers and can beat on Galactus and make him back down and give in to his demands.

To hurt Tyrant means it is a powerful weapon.

It hurt Tyrant? Wow! The orb must have had the power of Ganymede in it then.

Thanos whips on top tiers also, but he's been hurt by weaker.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are saying Galactus words tha this confrontation was ridiculous even though he fed himself and was prepared for this battle. It also doesnt back up what was happening. He was powering Tyrant up. He was making him more powerful. What arent you getting here?

Galactus prepared himself for the fight because he thought it was going to be difficult. Once in the fight, he called it ridiculous because Tyrant wasn't causing him any harm at all. Regardless of what he did beforehand, the battle wasn't nearly as difficult as he was expecting.

Originally posted by quanchi112
To even compare Annihilus to Tyrant is ignorant at best. It shows the lengths you will go to in this debate. Annihilus had his jaw ripped out by Nova. He was defeated by Nova while Tyrant biched Surfer and many other top tiers at once. Surfer is greater than Nova himself yet Nova killed Annihilus.

I'm well aware of what Annihilus is capable of and what happened to him. My point is Annihilus had the Quantum Bands on, which are very powerful energy absorbers and manipulators. Show me anything Tyrant has done ON HIS OWN that surpass the energy absorption of the Bands.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Tyrant was beating him from the start.

When? When he screamed in pain from Galactus' blast or when he delivered the mighty paper cut to Galan's finger?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was absorbing his energy and didnt once resort to tech. Galactus used tech so this was his tactic which Tyrant easily reversed.

He absorbed one blast, and it energized Tyrant so much that he scratched Galactus' finger. Such power! A few more dozen attacks like that and Galactus might have actually felt it.

Again, it wasn't until after Tyrant reversed Galactus' own machine that he became any kind of threat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason Thanos used tech is because he couldnt physically beat Thor here. Its obvious.

No, not just physically. He couldn't beat Thor any way without using tech.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos is more intelligent. Galactus is much older but tha doesnt mean he is more intelligent. In stories they both have been in Thanos seems to be more knowledgeable than galactus and he also had the ig and the heart.

Based on what?

No who cares about him having constructed Taa II...

The story where there have been a direct interaction between the two Galactus was under the Influence of Hunger and had tampered with Galactus Data.

So Because Thanos wants more then Galactus he automaticly is above him? We all saw how easily Galactus collected the Infinite Gems, but he didn't assemple them to gain supremacy over the Universe ore anything he did it for the best of the Universe yes it went to hell but he still gathered the Infinite gems far quicker then Thanos did.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
How is that any different than Thanos going through Tyrant's drones plus Morg to get to Tyrant?

As for the number of strikes that landed, Odin landed 5, the first of which wasn't even close to full power. Tyrant landed 4, and Thanos looked fine. One more hit wouldn't have made too much of a difference.

The only blast Thanos "charged" through was the second Gungnir blast, which Thanos had to defend himself from while walking through. Thanos never even attempted blocking any of Tyrant's.

If it were that huge of a difference, why didn't Tyrant comment on the orb's power instead of just Thanos'?

After that comment, the only thing that happened was the explosion caused by BOTH of them during their "game of mercy". How is that proving anything?

It hurt Tyrant? Wow! The orb must have had the power of Ganymede in it then.

Thanos whips on top tiers also, but he's been hurt by weaker.

Tyrant had been fighting off multiple top tiers before his battle with Thanos. Odin fought just the Surfer and Thanos. 😛

Thanos charged through Odins blasts telling me they werent as powerful when compared to Tyrants for him to charge right through.

The orb made a difference otherwise Thanos wouldnt have held on to it in his battle with Tyrant.

After the explosion Thanos looked worse off than his longer battle against Odin.

So what if Ganymede hurt him Thanos explained she no chance against him. The guy was fine after this battle and he took on more than Odin did.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Galactus prepared himself for the fight because he thought it was going to be difficult. Once in the fight, he called it ridiculous because Tyrant wasn't causing him any harm at all. Regardless of what he did beforehand, the battle wasn't nearly as difficult as he was expecting.

I'm well aware of what Annihilus is capable of and what happened to him. My point is Annihilus had the Quantum Bands on, which are very powerful energy absorbers and manipulators. Show me anything Tyrant has done ON HIS OWN that surpass the energy absorption of the Bands.

When? When he screamed in pain from Galactus' blast or when he delivered the mighty paper cut to Galan's finger?

He absorbed one blast, and it energized Tyrant so much that he scratched Galactus' finger. Such power! A few more dozen attacks like that and Galactus might have actually felt it.

Again, it wasn't until after Tyrant reversed Galactus' own machine that he became any kind of threat.

Again I dont have to show you anything. Tyrant took on a more powerful Galactus while Annihilus survived a starving Galactus blast. You even suggesting this would beat Tyrant is laughable.

Tyrant would smoke Quasar or Annihilus wit the bands easily and could survive more punishment as well. 😉

He was also powered up by his blast. You keep forgetting that even though it hurt it actually empowered him. 😂

A few more dozen attacks like that and Tyrant would have been supepowered with bse energy.

Again Tyrant dominated Galactus and reversed both of his major attacks. Galactus resorted to tech not Tyrant. 😬

Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, not just physically. He couldn't beat Thor any way without using tech.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Based on what?

No who cares about him having constructed Taa II...

The story where there have been a direct interaction between the two Galactus was under the Influence of Hunger and had tampered with Galactus Data.

So Because Thanos wants more then Galactus he automaticly is above him? We all saw how easily Galactus collected the Infinite Gems, but he didn't assemple them to gain supremacy over the Universe ore anything he did it for the best of the Universe yes it went to hell but he still gathered the Infinite gems far quicker then Thanos did.

Galactus didnt also have to go through elders of the universe. And again when Thanos got the gems it worked while Galactus was an idiot.

Another thing hurting Galactus intelligence is his second battle with Tyrant. He was clueless about his biospheric energy powering up Tyrant and that he was a master over tech. He created Tyrant yet he was clueless and you have the audacity to say he is in the same league with Thanos in terms of intelligence. 😐

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Odin hit him ore times and Thanos looked worse off against Tyrant.

Wow. Odin hit him one more time. I'm sure if Tyrant would have gotten in that extra hit Thanos would have been down permanently. And Thanos didn't look worse after Tyrant. Examine.

This is after Odin:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4512666

Notice it taking him struggling so much to get up that it takes him 4 panels to completely do it.

This is after Tyrant:

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tyrant107pa.jpg

Notice Thanos is up without any problem, smiling, and still trash talking Tyrant. But sure he's more hurt after this fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant had been fighting off multiple top tiers before his battle with Thanos. Odin fought just the Surfer and Thanos. 😛

Wait. Is that those same top tiers you just claimed Tyrant whoops on and can't harm him? Then why should it matter that he fought them beforehand, unless you think they actually weakened him.

Odin one shot both SS and Drax. Tyrant couldn't one shot any of the top tiers he fought.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos charged through Odins blasts telling me they werent as powerful when compared to Tyrants for him to charge right through.

Never said they weren't as powerful. I said Thanos was blocking the one blast while he was pressing forward.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb made a difference otherwise Thanos wouldnt have held on to it in his battle with Tyrant.

You still haven't answered my question. If it made that much of a difference, why didn't Tyrant acknowledge it instead of just commenting on Thanos' power?

Originally posted by quanchi112
After the explosion Thanos looked worse off than his longer battle against Odin.

He didn't. Look at the scans above.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what if Ganymede hurt him Thanos explained she no chance against him. The guy was fine after this battle and he took on more than Odin did.

Doesn't matter that she stood no chance. You claimed the orb had to be very powerful to hurt Tyrant. I proved you wrong because Ganymede has hurt him before, and she doesn't stand a chance against Tyrant.

Odin was fine, too. In fact, Odin wasn't even harmed one single time, unlike Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
On the contrary it was a lot harder than even he ha dplanned for because he was getting dominated.

Show me one statement anywhere that states Galactus thought the battle was harder than he planned. Otherwise, stop speculating what he was thinking when he was saying otherwise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again I dont have to show you anything. Tyrant took on a more powerful Galactus while Annihilus survived a starving Galactus blast. You even suggesting this would beat Tyrant is laughable.

You're right. Me suggesting that a skyfather-level being like Tyrant wouldn't survive a blast that destroyed 3 star systems and incinerated a Celestial-level being like a Watcher is just outrageous. 🙄

Whether he was starving or not doesn't matter. The fact is the Annihilation blast was FAR more powerful than the blast he hit Tyrant with.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant would smoke Quasar or Annihilus wit the bands easily and could survive more punishment as well. 😉

Did I once say Tyrant couldn't beat Quasar or Annihilus? No.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was also powered up by his blast. You keep forgetting that even though it hurt it actually empowered him. 😂

I haven't forgotten, but it didn't power him up nearly as much as you are acting like. He still didn't do sh*t to Galactus with his next "powered up" attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A few more dozen attacks like that and Tyrant would have been supepowered with bse energy.

Of course that's all Galactus knows how to do is blast, right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Tyrant dominated Galactus and reversed both of his major attacks. Galactus resorted to tech not Tyrant. 😬

Tyrant did nothing until he used Galactus' own tech against him. Galactus already stated why he used the tech. You throwing in your own opinion isn't going to change what is written, no matter how much you like Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same could be said of Galactus here. He used tech because he felt he had to. Except when Thanos uses tech it works and when Galactus uses tech it hurts him. 😬

Just wanted to know that you believe Thanos was going to lose the fight against Thor so he had to resort to tech.

Funny thing is both Thanos and Galactus stated their reasons for using tech. Your refusal to believe what is written and use your own opinion is laughable.

Thanos was more powerful in Tyrant fight, but looked worse after Odin fight. Although Thanos knew Tyrant would kill him, if the battle continued, he still looked worse after Odin fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had the gems first and Galactus gathered them completely having no clue as to the Hunger using him to gain access to this reality.

Galactus didnt also have to go through elders of the universe. And again when Thanos got the gems it worked while Galactus was an idiot.

Another thing hurting Galactus intelligence is his second battle with Tyrant. He was clueless about his biospheric energy powering up Tyrant and that he was a master over tech. He created Tyrant yet he was clueless and you have the audacity to say he is in the same league with Thanos in terms of intelligence. 😐

And Thanos used far more time on collecting them, then it toke for Galactus which was my point. And Again would Thanos have believed otherwise if there had been tampered with his data too...

Correct but Thanos didn't have to make a star to supernova and then teleport into the middle of it and then open a portal to claim just one of the gems. Thanos worked against the best of the Universe and he had the Gauntlet to place them in, Galactus however believed he constructed a device that gave him a endless supply of Biosphere energy. So where Thanos already had what he needed the Gauntlet, Galactus constructed it.

Ever heard of PIS... No I hadn't maked that statement I said what you believe puts Thanos on Galactus level of Intelligence.