Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Clothes destroyed...wow. Pretty igsignificant. Like the Galactus blast proves, it doesn't matter what their clothes look like. What matters is the actual condition the character is in, which he was more beat up after the Odin fight. And you keep mentioning Thanos leaving the Tyrant fight while ignoring your favorite advice, which is context.

Not refuting that Tyrant took them down easily, but it took him three blasts to finally put Surfer down. It only took Odin one.

It just means the person he's fighting is durable as hell. Thanos still couldn't even make Odin budge from any of his attacks.

Because when Thanos blasted him, Tyrant commented that he was more powerful than the others he just faced. If his strength was being augmented enough by the orb to allow Thanos to hurt him, Tyrant either would have acknowledged it or wouldn't have commented on Thanos' power alone.

No, it IS revelant, because now you are backtracking. You said the orb Thanos was holding had to be powerful because it hurt Thanos. By this you mean only powerful things can hurt Tyrant. Ganymede is nowhere near as powerful as Thanos, Tyrant, or even SS yet she hurt Tyrant. That's the point.

Thanos is not stupid. He knew going into Asgard meant eventually facing Odin. Hell, they went to Asgard to meet Odin and get his help.

Tyrant faced a Thanos with an orb whose power even he apparently didn't acknowledge. Odin faced Thanos and SS at the same time, and I doubt the orb contained enough power to match the Surfer. The only other prep Thanos had was learning Tyrant's history with Galactus. That's not going to help him in a fight.

Tyrant fought more than just the Surfer. He put him down easily is the point.

Thanos couldnt budge Odin but he didnt have an orb and this was before his upgrade which made him able to blast Galactus a few hundred yards. Thanos also didnt prep to take Odin down.

It doesnt matter whether or not Tyrant commented on the orb it was used to combat Tyrant.

I am not backtracking I am stating the obvious. Ganymede nor the orb ever blasted Odin so we dont know how it would affect him do we?

Thanos isnt stupid but he didnt prep and had little time to think of attacking and defeating Odin. He came there to help Thor not to beat Odin. Context. He came to Tyrant to test his might which he did. he didnt all of a sudden have to Tyrant he came THERE TO FIGHT HIM.

Again we know the orb contained powerful energies and the Surfer was meaningless in both situatuions. he doesnt have the durability to hang here but the orb can help Thanos when he certainly has the durability to last with these two.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, he was wrong and stupid, but that doesn't change the fact that Tyrant couldn't do anything to him. Tyrant only gets the upper hand by reversing Galactus' tech, but since when has Galactus ever needed tech to drain any of his creations?

He wasn't doing sh*t until he reversed Galactus' tech to drain Galactus instead of himself. If Tyrant really is as powerful as you claim, then he should have no problem whipping another abstract level being's ass, right?

Again, the Quantum Bands have shows energy manipulation and absorption far beyond what Tyrant has shown, so it's feasible that that's the reason Annihilus survived it.

Show me another blast from Galactus that has caused more destruction than that one.

Yes, Galactus powered him up but not before Tyrant felt a hell of a lot of pain for it. If a simple blast like that caused Tyrant that much pain, then a blast the magnitude of the Annihilation will cause an insane amount more. Could Tyrant survive that? I don't know. I can't prove that he wouldn't, but you can't prove that he would.

I know it's canon. So are a lot of things that are dismissed as PIS. As I said before, if Tyrant is truly on the level you claim he is, then he should have no problem facing other abstract-level beings, right?

He needed to use his tech against him because none of his other heralds can absorb the biospheric energy he blasts. Thats the reason.

We arent talking about other abstracts we are talking about Galactus. Again he was winning from start to when it was interrupted. He actually became more powerful during the fight while Galactus got a lot weaker.

Saying a weakened Gaalctus blast could hurt Tyrant is beyond desperate. If thats all it took why wouldnt have Galactus used this method. Again he fought a more powerful Galactus and dominated him.

Annihilus survived this blast and looked fine. Tyrant>Annihilus.

All I know is that Tyran can beat Galactus. Other abstract beings dont blast biospheric energy do they? 😛

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But there are other ways to beat a PG user besides using tech. He could have taken the gem from him. After all, Thor took it from Drax.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Them lying around? One was placed on Adam Warlock another on Moondragon I believe along with Pip, and when did Thanos have to blow up a Star to create the conditions for opening a portal to receive one of them gems.

And Galactus had no reason to believe Thanos the slighest, Thanos had done nothing then directly work against Galactus, why should he trust him, when Thanos hadn't given him a single reason to do so? Please read up a bit on Hungers powers and Abilities http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/hungerthanos.htm as mentioned he influenced Galactus from over a reality away, Thanos wasn't in any way affected because as mentioned by Tenebrous Hunger himself didn't need Thanos he needed Galactus.

Hence PIS, Galactus "lost" vital information about a Character to further the plot the to point where Morg intervented.

Taking the chance of extrating DNA and then try and manipulate into creating Omega was a Challenge for Thanos he didn't abandon the experiment of out boredom but rather out of fear and must I remind you what a massive failure Omega was?

However when Galactus created Tyrant he has no problems what so ever in his creation of him and he had nothing he began from scratch. Also when has Reed and Doom been completely speechless from observing Thanos technology level?

Galactus could simply overwhelm them.

Galactus is usually stubborn and doesnt listen to reason. He is brash and doesnt listen even when its beneficial to himself.

Thanos still found out about the Hunger and he defeated him after Galactus released him. Thanos cleaned up his mess and thats the point.

Pis no its canon. Galactus was a downright fool in his fight with Tyrant. He prepared for him as well and shows how unintelligent he can be.

Thanos still created a Galactus clone screwing around. Thats impressive.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus is simply more powerful than all of the characters who possessed the gems. thanos needed to defeat some of them with ingenuity and with tact.

Galactus could simply overwhelm them.

Galactus is usually stubborn and doesnt listen to reason. He is brash and doesnt listen even when its beneficial to himself.

Thanos still found out about the Hunger and he defeated him after Galactus released him. Thanos cleaned up his mess and thats the point.

Pis no its canon. Galactus was a downright fool in his fight with Tyrant. He prepared for him as well and shows how unintelligent he can be.

Thanos still created a Galactus clone screwing around. Thats impressive.

Runner cough cough. That he could easily do, however he didn't he sent his punisher robots to do the job for him, unless in the once incident with the star.

I will ask again what reason did he had to listen to Thanos who had done nothing but work against him through the entire act, listing to Thanos (that had just blasted him through the side of his own ship) that would be a act of stupidity.

He found out because Hunger had no interest in Thanos which is my point.

Hence PIS, PIS is when a character reduces his own powerset to further the plot which Galactus did, the Firelord vs Spiderman is canon too, but it's PIS incident.

Again he didn't create the Clone by screwing around as you claim, he even says that combining his DNA with Galactus was a challenge to him. And Again Thanos had something to work with to create Omega Galactus had nothing, the difference is that Omega is a very limited being, Tyrant when he was at full power wasn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos had his clothes destroyed and his condition wasnt explained in the Odin fight or the Tyrant one so we have to go by artist renditions to decide ourselves. But in the Galactus fight his shields were all up and it was explained on panel. Thanos left the battle against Tyrant but didnt object when Tyrant acted as if hed beat him soon.

As the Galactus blast showed, having torn clothes does not indicate how hurt someone is. I agree that we have to go by the artists' renditions, and the artists' renditions showed Thanos being more worn out in the Odin fight than the Tyrant one.

And you keep failing to comprehend the reason why he left. If he stayed, their battle could have gone on far longer than his fight with Odin would. But Thanos didn't stay because he already accomplished what he wanted and felt he won.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant fought more than just the Surfer. He put him down easily is the point.

But not as easily as Odin put him down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos couldnt budge Odin but he didnt have an orb and this was before his upgrade which made him able to blast Galactus a few hundred yards. Thanos also didnt prep to take Odin down.

It doesnt matter whether or not Tyrant commented on the orb it was used to combat Tyrant.

If Thanos' power was being augmented in any way by the orb, then Tyrant would have commented on it instead of giving Thanos the credit of being that powerful. Also, Thanos was able to budge Tyrant with just his fist, also.

Thanos' upgrade to the level to blast Galactus came after both fights, so why even mention it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not backtracking I am stating the obvious. Ganymede nor the orb ever blasted Odin so we dont know how it would affect him do we?

Yes, you are backtracking. I don't care what either one of them do or don't do to Odin. YOU SAID the orb had to be powerful in order to hurt Tyrant. However, Ganymede, whom is far less powerful than Tyrant or Thanos, was able to harm him. So if someone as weak as her can, then you're wrong in saying the orb has to be very powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos isnt stupid but he didnt prep and had little time to think of attacking and defeating Odin. He came there to help Thor not to beat Odin. Context. He came to Tyrant to test his might which he did. he didnt all of a sudden have to Tyrant he came THERE TO FIGHT HIM.

So now you'll admit that he was there to help Thor, which is the reason why he didn't leave the fight against Odin. 😉

It's not like Odin just appeared and starting attacking him. Thanos was the one who initiated the conflict. He could have just as easily let Warlock, SS, or Strange talk to Odin, but he chose to fight him instead. Plus, he already went through some cannon fodder, so it's not like he wasn't expecting a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again we know the orb contained powerful energies and the Surfer was meaningless in both situatuions. he doesnt have the durability to hang here but the orb can help Thanos when he certainly has the durability to last with these two.

So you're saying the combined power of Thanos and the orb is greater than Thanos and the Surfer? Meaning the orb contained more power than Surfer possesses?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus was fighting his greatest creation not just some makeshift herald. 😬

And he was also able to depower his greatest creation when it was at the height of it's power, too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He needed to use his tech against him because none of his other heralds can absorb the biospheric energy he blasts. Thats the reason.

I know it's commented here, but since when has Galactus' energy EVER been said to be biospheric energy either before or after this incident? He's wielded the Power Cosmic since the beginning of time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We arent talking about other abstracts we are talking about Galactus. Again he was winning from start to when it was interrupted. He actually became more powerful during the fight while Galactus got a lot weaker.

He wasn't winning from the start. He was doing absolutely nothing until he reversed Galactus' tech.

Ok. So let's make a thread and put Tyrant up against another abstract-level being. If Tyrant didn't need a plot device against Galactus, and is powerful enough to beat him on his own, then he shouldn't have much more trouble against others.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying a weakened Gaalctus blast could hurt Tyrant is beyond desperate. If thats all it took why wouldnt have Galactus used this method. Again he fought a more powerful Galactus and dominated him.

Whether Galactus was weakened or not doesn't matter as much as how powerful the blast itself was. The blast in Annihilation was far greater than the blast against Tyrant regardless of the condition Galactus was in.

Galactus didn't use it because he's never been as angry as he was for being imprisioned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Annihilus survived this blast and looked fine. Tyrant>Annihilus.

Never once said he wasn't, but you apparently like to skip over comments.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All I know is that Tyran can beat Galactus. Other abstract beings dont blast biospheric energy do they? 😛

In other words, Tyrant is nowhere near the level you claim he is. He only beat Galactus through a plot device.

And since when has Galactus ever blasted biospheric energy either before or after this incident?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Drax and Thor with the power gem were two completely different characters. Drax didnt even understand it at all and was extremely stupid. The watch,Strange,and the Surfer couldnt take it that easily so it wasnt that easy of a thing to accomplish. This much is obvious.

Thor was insane. He knew what the Power Gem was, but he knew how to use it about as much as Drax did. Thanos, unlike the Watch, was able to hold his own against Thor, so he would have had a much better chance of taking the gem than they did.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Runner cough cough. That he could easily do, however he didn't he sent his punisher robots to do the job for him, unless in the once incident with the star.

I will ask again what reason did he had to listen to Thanos who had done nothing but work against him through the entire act, listing to Thanos (that had just blasted him through the side of his own ship) that would be a act of stupidity.

He found out because Hunger had no interest in Thanos which is my point.

Hence PIS, PIS is when a character reduces his own powerset to further the plot which Galactus did, the Firelord vs Spiderman is canon too, but it's PIS incident.

Again he didn't create the Clone by screwing around as you claim, he even says that combining his DNA with Galactus was a challenge to him. And Again Thanos had something to work with to create Omega Galactus had nothing, the difference is that Omega is a very limited being, Tyrant when he was at full power wasn't.

Thanos defeated the Runner through craftiness.

The hunger didnt have an interest in Thanos but that still didnt stop Thanos from learning about it, trying to stop it, and then stopping it.

It isnt pis its canon and is nowhere near as bad as Spiderman and Firelord. it was explained in the comic. You just dont like the result.

It was a project he abandoned. he was screwing around and abandoned it. Omega was still allegedly twice as powerful as Galactus.

I am not saying that Galactus doesnt have awesome power at his disposal and awesome tech. Thanos works for his projects and tech while it seems like Galactus doesnt.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
As the Galactus blast showed, having torn clothes does not indicate how hurt someone is. I agree that we have to go by the artists' renditions, and the artists' renditions showed Thanos being more worn out in the Odin fight than the Tyrant one.

And you keep failing to comprehend the reason why he left. If he stayed, their battle could have gone on far longer than his fight with Odin would. But Thanos didn't stay because he already accomplished what he wanted and felt he won.

But not as easily as Odin put him down.

If Thanos' power was being augmented in any way by the orb, then Tyrant would have commented on it instead of giving Thanos the credit of being that powerful. Also, Thanos was able to budge Tyrant with just his fist, also.

Thanos' upgrade to the level to blast Galactus came after both fights, so why even mention it?

Yes, you are backtracking. I don't care what either one of them do or don't do to Odin. YOU SAID the orb had to be powerful in order to hurt Tyrant. However, Ganymede, whom is far less powerful than Tyrant or Thanos, was able to harm him. So if someone as weak as her can, then you're wrong in saying the orb has to be very powerful.

So now you'll admit that he was there to help Thor, which is the reason why he didn't leave the fight against Odin. 😉

It's not like Odin just appeared and starting attacking him. Thanos was the one who initiated the conflict. He could have just as easily let Warlock, SS, or Strange talk to Odin, but he chose to fight him instead. Plus, he already went through some cannon fodder, so it's not like he wasn't expecting a fight.

So you're saying the combined power of Thanos and the orb is greater than Thanos and the Surfer? Meaning the orb contained more power than Surfer possesses?

Thanos felt he proved to himself that he has withstood Tyrant and that he accomplished his task but he didnt object when Tyrant said he could beat him after Thanos asked him to prove it.

Thanos was charging right through Odin blasts while he wasnt simply going right through the middle of Tyrants. Odins first blast didnt affect Thanos in the slightest. He didnt budge.

You dont know if Tyrant would have commented on it you are simply speculating. Ganyemedes entire sisterhood lives to defeat Tyrant. So we didnt have any beings whose sole existence fighting Odin is his eradication. There was no significant damage done and Tyrant also faced more opposition than just Thanos and the Surfer as well.

The orb was powerful so telling me you dont think its all that is irrelevant. All speculation either way. It has never been used against Odin.

Yes I think Thanos and th orb could do better here than Surfer and Thanos. Surfer cant survive too long while Thanos can.

Again Thanos actually formulated alliances and a plan of attack on Tyrant. He wasnt sitting around thinking of challenging Odin it just happend. He wasnt even in the front line until the needed him.

He was but had thanos done anything to gain the trust of Galactus no he hadn't.

And by having a gem at his disposal else the result is painfully obvious.

It had no interest in Thanos because it 1. Knew that only Galactus could take care of the technology 2. That Galactus own personal power was more then enough to deal with Thanos should be become a threat, and yet again Thanos data was not tampered with.

I don't like when a Result it written that overlooks facts about a Character correct, I don't like when A Character "forget" vital information about a foe, I don't like when a Character's energy can suddenly be changed into Biosphere energy, I don't like when a Character uses his technology to accomplishe a Task when he has shown that all the Technology he has created is only a reflection of himself, I doesn't like when a Moment Later Tyrant is powerless to disassemble the UN but Galactus could have done it had his powerlevels been higher, I don't like it when Galactus forgets that he could immobilize Morg with a gesture, should I continue to state why the comic was PIS imo?

Because it was to dangerous for him. After having consumed three planets but hey...

Which speaks for Galactus intelligence being higher then Thanos own.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
And he was also able to depower his greatest creation when it was at the height of it's power, too.

I know it's commented here, but since when has Galactus' energy EVER been said to be biospheric energy either before or after this incident? He's wielded the Power Cosmic since the beginning of time.

He wasn't winning from the start. He was doing absolutely nothing until he reversed Galactus' tech.

Ok. So let's make a thread and put Tyrant up against another abstract-level being. If Tyrant didn't need a plot device against Galactus, and is powerful enough to beat him on his own, then he shouldn't have much more trouble against others.

Whether Galactus was weakened or not doesn't matter as much as how powerful the blast itself was. The blast in Annihilation was far greater than the blast against Tyrant regardless of the condition Galactus was in.

Galactus didn't use it because he's never been as angry as he was for being imprisioned.

Never once said he wasn't, but you apparently like to skip over comments.

In other words, Tyrant is nowhere near the level you claim he is. He only beat Galactus through a plot device.

And since when has Galactus ever blasted biospheric energy either before or after this incident?

Correction he was doing something while Galactus wasnt doing anything other than empowering him further.

Tyrant wont be powered up by abstracts blasts. They dont feed on bse energy like Galactus does. They both have the same power source while the same cant be said of any other abstract.

Speculation. It was a concentrated blast and wasnt meant to do collateral damage like in annihilation. From what we know Galactus well fed>>starving any day of the week.

Galactus could be always blasting bse energy. Just because it isnt ecplained why would it be anything other than.

Tyrant has the tools to beat Galactus and thats what I am arguing so quit trying to change the subject.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He was but had thanos done anything to gain the trust of Galactus no he hadn't.

And by having a gem at his disposal else the result is painfully obvious.

It had no interest in Thanos because it 1. Knew that only Galactus could take care of the technology 2. That Galactus own personal power was more then enough to deal with Thanos should be become a threat, and yet again Thanos data was not tampered with.

I don't like when a Result it written that overlooks facts about a Character correct, I don't like when A Character "forget" vital information about a foe, I don't like when a Character's energy can suddenly be changed into Biosphere energy, I don't like when a Character uses his technology to accomplishe a Task when he has shown that all the Technology he has created is only a reflection of himself, I doesn't like when a Moment Later Tyrant is powerless to disassemble the UN but Galactus could have done it had his powerlevels been higher, I don't like it when Galactus forgets that he could immobilize Morg with a gesture, should I continue to state why the comic was PIS imo?

Because it was to dangerous for him. After having consumed three planets but hey...

Which speaks for Galactus intelligence being higher then Thanos own.

Your personal distaste for the Tyrant Galactus fiasco is noted but doesnt matter. Its canon and Galactus screwed up beyond belief.

The hunger outsmarted Galactus not Thanos. It should have paid closer attention to Thanos because he defeated the Hunger.

Again Thanos intelligence is higher than Galactus because each and every time they have been together Thanos has shown himself to be much more intelligent.

Galactus also could have been so weak he couldnt have beaten Morg with a mere gesture also.

He did when his entire plan was based on stopping Galactus, Thanos was just as arrogant believing himself to be capable of stopping Galactus from accomplishing his goal.

The Firelord against Spiderman is canon too, however that is regarded as PIS because of Firelord forgetting a great many abilities so did Galactus care to outline the difference?

Thanos was no threat towards Hunger's plans, he knew that Galactus had the means to deal with him, which he also showed on two occasions.

So we take the what two times they have been together and removes all there other showings and statments of there tech and Intelligence?

Galactus during his battle with the Avengers, FF and SS showed that he had enough power to easily immobilize Surfer and could have killed him, and that is probably the lowest point we have ever seen Galactus operate on, because he hadn't absorbed any planets only the inhabitants which gives him no energy in comparison with a Planet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think the artist showed Thanos more worn down in the Odin fight. Odin also got more blasts in and that has to be factored in.

Thanos got up from the Tyrant fight without any problem. It took him 4 panels to get up in the Odin fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos felt he proved to himself that he has withstood Tyrant and that he accomplished his task but he didnt object when Tyrant said he could beat him after Thanos asked him to prove it.

That's right. I'm not doubting Tyrant would eventually put Thanos down. I'm saying Thanos didn't leave the battle because he was scared of Tyrant like you've been saying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was charging right through Odin blasts while he wasnt simply going right through the middle of Tyrants. Odins first blast didnt affect Thanos in the slightest. He didnt budge.

But his next one blew Thanos back. So it's obvious Odin wasn't trying very hard at first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You dont know if Tyrant would have commented on it you are simply speculating. Ganyemedes entire sisterhood lives to defeat Tyrant. So we didnt have any beings whose sole existence fighting Odin is his eradication. There was no significant damage done and Tyrant also faced more opposition than just Thanos and the Surfer as well.

I'm not speculating nearly as much as you are on the power of the orb. My speculation is based on a being who is obsessed with power not commenting on the power level of the weapon that hurt him (according to you).

The amount of damage doesn't matter. The point is he was hurt by an attack from her, so the orb doesn't have to be as powerful as you believe it is to hurt Tyrant.

So what if her entire sisterhood lives to defeat Tyrant? She didn't do any special attack that only her people know or exploit Tyrant's weakness. She hit him in the back of the head with her staff. That's it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was powerful so telling me you dont think its all that is irrelevant. All speculation either way. It has never been used against Odin.

And you're speculating that it's powerful since you can't even tell me how much power it had in it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes I think Thanos and th orb could do better here than Surfer and Thanos. Surfer cant survive too long while Thanos can.

A combined blast from Thanos and SS didn't do anything to Odin. A blast from Thanos w/orb hurt Tyrant. So how long SS can last doesn't mean anything. One combined blast hurt it's opponent. The other didn't. Saying Thanos w/orb would hurt Odin is saying that the orb has more power in it than SS possesses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos actually formulated alliances and a plan of attack on Tyrant. He wasnt sitting around thinking of challenging Odin it just happend. He wasnt even in the front line until the needed him.

Yeah, his plan of attack was for the people he gathered to get slaughtered by Tyrant while he did his own thing. Great plan of attack.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He did when his entire plan was based on stopping Galactus, Thanos was just as arrogant believing himself to be capable of stopping Galactus from accomplishing his goal.

The Firelord against Spiderman is canon too, however that is regarded as PIS because of Firelord forgetting a great many abilities so did Galactus care to outline the difference?

Thanos was no threat towards Hunger's plans, he knew that Galactus had the means to deal with him, which he also showed on two occasions.

So we take the what two times they have been together and removes all there other showings and statments of there tech and Intelligence?

Galactus during his battle with the Avengers, FF and SS showed that he had enough power to easily immobilize Surfer and could have killed him, and that is probably the lowest point we have ever seen Galactus operate on, because he hadn't absorbed any planets only the inhabitants which gives him no energy in comparison with a Planet.

If Galactus could have beaten him on his own why didnt he? Thanos was more that a threat to the Hunger he did ya know defeat him.

Again even with Firelord forgetting his abilities he is way above Spiderman. Galactus isnt way above Tyrant as per the comic. Galactus prepared himself and was well fed and still was getting worked even when he used his own tech on him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos got up from the Tyrant fight without any problem. It took him 4 panels to get up in the Odin fight.

That's right. I'm not doubting Tyrant would eventually put Thanos down. I'm saying Thanos didn't leave the battle because he was scared of Tyrant like you've been saying.

But his next one blew Thanos back. So it's obvious Odin wasn't trying very hard at first.

I'm not speculating nearly as much as you are on the power of the orb. My speculation is based on a being who is obsessed with power not commenting on the power level of the weapon that hurt him (according to you).

The amount of damage doesn't matter. The point is he was hurt by an attack from her, so the orb doesn't have to be as powerful as you believe it is to hurt Tyrant.

So what if her entire sisterhood lives to defeat Tyrant? She didn't do any special attack that only her people know or exploit Tyrant's weakness. She hit him in the back of the head with her staff. That's it.

And you're speculating that it's powerful since you can't even tell me how much power it had in it.

A combined blast from Thanos and SS didn't do anything to Odin. A blast from Thanos w/orb hurt Tyrant. So how long SS can last doesn't mean anything. One combined blast hurt it's opponent. The other didn't. Saying Thanos w/orb would hurt Odin is saying that the orb has more power in it than SS possesses.

Yeah, his plan of attack was for the people he gathered to get slaughtered by Tyrant while he did his own thing. Great plan of attack.

He wasnt scared of Tyrant but he knew he would lose to him. He knew Tyrant could kill him if he stayed and tried to finish. He already withstood the assault and in his mind didnt need to prove anything else to himself.

We dont know what kind of energies her staff possessed. Her whole existence was to destroy Tyrant.

Tyrant was fine after the battle and he took on a well prepped Thanos with a weapon and hit Thanos less than Odin did.

If the orb was used against Tyrant how could it not be powerful? Really?

Common sense really.

Again Thanos uses the orb and it wont be taken out easily as the Surfer would be. Thats the point.

His plan involved Thanos challenging him one on one. He sent the others to their slaughter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus beat him the first time yes but the second battle was in favor of Tyrant.

When it took a plot device for him to have the advantage in the fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Correction he was doing something while Galactus wasnt doing anything other than empowering him further.

Tyrant was doing something that wasn't doing anything to Galactus. If one person is attacking and the other person isn't being affected, the person attacking isn't winning the fight. Sorry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant wont be powered up by abstracts blasts. They dont feed on bse energy like Galactus does. They both have the same power source while the same cant be said of any other abstract.

Exactly right, which is why Tyrant is nowhere near their level nor is he near Galactus' level. He would eventually reach that level after absorbing enough energy, but he doesn't start off anywhere near that level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. It was a concentrated blast and wasnt meant to do collateral damage like in annihilation. From what we know Galactus well fed>>starving any day of the week.

It's speculation that a blast powerful enough to destroy a star system is weaker than a blast that hit Tyrant with no collateral damage around it at all? 😕

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus could be always blasting bse energy. Just because it isnt ecplained why would it be anything other than.

Probably because in the 40+ years Galactus has been around, this is the only time it was ever referred to as that. His power wasn't even referred to as bse in their previous encounters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant has the tools to beat Galactus and thats what I am arguing so quit trying to change the subject.

No, you're arguing about how powerful Tyrant is and using his performance against Galactus as proof, disregarding that he had a plot device against him. If Tyrant is as powerful as you claim, then he should be able to handle others around Galactus' level. You and I both know he can't, so he's not as powerful as you want him to be.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
When it took a plot device for him to have the advantage in the fight.

Tyrant was doing something that wasn't doing anything to Galactus. If one person is attacking and the other person isn't being affected, the person attacking isn't winning the fight. Sorry.

Exactly right, which is why Tyrant is nowhere near their level nor is he near Galactus' level. He would eventually reach that level after absorbing enough energy, but he doesn't start off anywhere near that level.

It's speculation that a blast powerful enough to destroy a star system is weaker than a blast that hit Tyrant with no collateral damage around it at all? 😕

Probably because in the 40+ years Galactus has been around, this is the only time it was ever referred to as that. His power wasn't even referred to as bse in their previous encounters.

No, you're arguing about how powerful Tyrant is and using his performance against Galactus as proof, disregarding that he had a plot device against him. If Tyrant is as powerful as you claim, then he should be able to handle others around Galactus' level. You and I both know he can't, so he's not as powerful as you want him to be.

Again if two fighters are fighting and one is getting more powerful while the other is affected just a little bit then the one who is getting more powerful is winning up until that point.

Tyrant has the power to hurt and defeat Galactus. Hence Galactus backing down and giving him Morg. He isnt someone Galactus scoffs at.

Its downright incorrect to assume a starving Galactus would send out a more powerful blast then when he is well fed.

Ok but it is bse energy. Its where Galactus gets his power from isnt it?

Just because it was never mentioned before and since it was in this story so it stands.

Tyrant maybe cant defeat any other abstract although we havent seen him try but I know he is less powerful than Galactus but enough to defeat Galactus and give him a helluva time. He was dominating Galactus on panel.

Galactus is different than other abstracts and they dont become as weak as G has been on occasions. They also dont battle it out as much on panel as Galactus does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos gto up in both fights. He was also blasted less by Tyrant and his shirt was destroyed.

But it was a lot harder for him to get up in the Odin fight. And like you pointed out, that was after Odin's first blast did nothing to Thanos. Take that blast out, and it's even.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasnt scared of Tyrant but he knew he would lose to him. He knew Tyrant could kill him if he stayed and tried to finish. He already withstood the assault and in his mind didnt need to prove anything else to himself.

True.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know what kind of energies her staff possessed. Her whole existence was to destroy Tyrant.

Did her staff ever produce any energy at all?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant was fine after the battle and he took on a well prepped Thanos with a weapon and hit Thanos less than Odin did.

Odin was fine after his battle, also. Well prepped Thanos was a Thanos with an orb. That's not a lot of prep.

He only hit Thanos one more time, and like I said above, if we take out the initial blast that did make him budge like you said, then it's even.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If the orb was used against Tyrant how could it not be powerful? Really?

Common sense really.

If it's such common sense, why can't you prove how powerful it is?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos uses the orb and it wont be taken out easily as the Surfer would be. Thats the point.

So the orb possesses more power than SS?

Originally posted by quanchi112
His plan involved Thanos challenging him one on one. He sent the others to their slaughter.

Then why even mention him formulating alliances as prep against Tyrant when all they were was canon fodder?