Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not a plot device. He has powers over tech and is powered up by bse energy.

Yes, a plot device. Tyrant being powered up by bse isn't mentioned anytime until this fight happens. He didn't have the ability before, and it's not explained how he acquired it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again if two fighters are fighting and one is getting more powerful while the other is affected just a little bit then the one who is getting more powerful is winning up until that point.

No, he's not. He's winning when he actually starting hurting the other fighter. Until then, he's not doing anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant has the power to hurt and defeat Galactus. Hence Galactus backing down and giving him Morg. He isnt someone Galactus scoffs at.

True. Tyrant wasn't at that time. However, when the battle actually happened, Tyrant's attacks were ineffective against Galactus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its downright incorrect to assume a starving Galactus would send out a more powerful blast then when he is well fed.

It's not incorrect if the well fed Galactus isn't putting everything he has into the blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok but it is bse energy. Its where Galactus gets his power from isnt it?

Just because it was never mentioned before and since it was in this story so it stands.

As stated only during this story line. Never before or after. You're right, it does still stand. That's why it's a plot device.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant maybe cant defeat any other abstract although we havent seen him try but I know he is less powerful than Galactus but enough to defeat Galactus and give him a helluva time. He was dominating Galactus on panel.

He was only "dominating" him because he reversed Galactus' tech against him. Before that, he wasn't doing anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus is different than other abstracts and they dont become as weak as G has been on occasions. They also dont battle it out as much on panel as Galactus does.

True, which is why it's ignorant to put Tyrant on a certain power level based on his performance against Galactus.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But it was a lot harder for him to get up in the Odin fight. And like you pointed out, that was after Odin's first blast did nothing to Thanos. Take that blast out, and it's even.

True.

Did her staff ever produce any energy at all?

Odin was fine after his battle, also. Well prepped Thanos was a Thanos with an orb. That's not a lot of prep.

He only hit Thanos one more time, and like I said above, if we take out the initial blast that did make him budge like you said, then it's even.

If it's such common sense, why can't you prove how powerful it is?

So the orb possesses more power than SS?

Then why even mention him formulating alliances as prep against Tyrant when all they were was canon fodder?

My point is the staff and her people just want to destroy Tyrant. They didnt and Thanos said they were nothing basically to Tyrant.

Thanos still with prep is greater than unprepped is my point. He had a weapon which he didnt have against Odin. Two huge differences also coupled with the fact Odin hit him more times.

I never said it produces more power than the Surfer but in Thanos' hands its more dangerous than the Surfer aiding him as he can be easily crushed by Odin or Tyrant.

They were all cannon fodder but they still did something. Its not like a top tier cant eventually weaken someone of their magnitude if they sit there and let them blast him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It also shows that some of Odin's blasts were inferior to Tyrant's blasts.

Yet Thanos was more worn out after the Odin battle than the Tyrant one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is the staff and her people just want to destroy Tyrant. They didnt and Thanos said they were nothing basically to Tyrant.

And yet you still can't prove any energy coming from the staff or the staff exploiting any kind of special weakness from Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos still with prep is greater than unprepped is my point. He had a weapon which he didnt have against Odin. Two huge differences also coupled with the fact Odin hit him more times.

It was prep that did absolutely nothing for him except acquire the orb. And you still haven't proven how powerful the orb was so how much it helped him out is speculation at best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it produces more power than the Surfer but in Thanos' hands its more dangerous than the Surfer aiding him as he can be easily crushed by Odin or Tyrant.

You said the combined blast of Thanos and the orb would have affected Odin, when the combined blast of Thanos and Surfer did nothing. Thanos' power level didn't change from Odin to Tyrant. The only thing that changed was Surfer and the orb. So if Thanos and Surfer failed to hurt Odin but Thanos and the orb can, then it stands to reason that the orb possesses more power than SS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were all cannon fodder but they still did something. Its not like a top tier cant eventually weaken someone of their magnitude if they sit there and let them blast him.

Did they do anything to weaken Tyrant at all? Did he look even the least bit phased by their attack?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yet Thanos was more worn out after the Odin battle than the Tyrant one.

And yet you still can't prove any energy coming from the staff or the staff exploiting any kind of special weakness from Tyrant.

It was prep that did absolutely nothing for him except acquire the orb. And you still haven't proven how powerful the orb was so how much it helped him out is speculation at best.

You said the combined blast of Thanos and the orb would have affected Odin, when the combined blast of Thanos and Surfer did nothing. Thanos' power level didn't change from Odin to Tyrant. The only thing that changed was Surfer and the orb. So if Thanos and Surfer failed to hurt Odin but Thanos and the orb can, then it stands to reason that the orb possesses more power than SS.

Did they do anything to weaken Tyrant at all? Did he look even the least bit phased by their attack?

Again Ganymede never struck Odin or even met him. Again Ganymede didnt defeat Tyrant but did in fact affect him but this is her sole purpose and she was the last one left. Their whole sisterhood failed.

Thanos sized up his opponent also. You still have to agree Thanos prepped is better than unprepped. The orb wasnt used against Odin so gauging its power proves nothing and is only speculation.

Thanos and the orb didnt even almost defeat Tyrant. I am saying it would affect odin but imo it wouldnt defeat him. Thanos would benefit more from this orb than from the Surfer.

I dont think they did any significant damage. But you keep going on and on that Ganymede hurt him. So you saying this now confuses me. Which is it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We can agree to disagree on which fight Thanos was more damaged. We arent getting anywhere on that one.

Apparently not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Ganymede never struck Odin or even met him. Again Ganymede didnt defeat Tyrant but did in fact affect him but this is her sole purpose and she was the last one left. Their whole sisterhood failed.

It doesn't matter if it was her sole purpose. The point is she didn't exploit any special weakness of Tyrant's and didn't use any special attack. She hurt him, plain and simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos sized up his opponent also. You still have to agree Thanos prepped is better than unprepped. The orb wasnt used against Odin so gauging its power proves nothing and is only speculation.

Just like you're speculating what the orb would actually do to Odin. It may harm him, and it may do nothing at all. You don't know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos and the orb didnt even almost defeat Tyrant. I am saying it would affect odin but imo it wouldnt defeat him. Thanos would benefit more from this orb than from the Surfer.

You don't know if it would affect him. You're speculating, and you know it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think they did any significant damage. But you keep going on and on that Ganymede hurt him. So you saying this now confuses me. Which is it?

I said he didn't look worn out. So their attacks didn't have any lasting effects, but he was still hurt by Ganymede. If he can be hurt by someone as weak as her, then that puts doubt on your belief that the orb is very powerful.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Apparently not.

It doesn't matter if it was her sole purpose. The point is she didn't exploit any special weakness of Tyrant's and didn't use any special attack. She hurt him, plain and simple.

Just like you're speculating what the orb would actually do to Odin. It may harm him, and it may do nothing at all. You don't know.

You don't know if it would affect him. You're speculating, and you know it.

I said he didn't look worn out. So their attacks didn't have any lasting effects, but he was still hurt by Ganymede. If he can be hurt by someone as weak as her, then that puts doubt on your belief that the orb is very powerful.

exactly the orb wasnt used against Odin but was against Tyrant. I guess thanos felt he needed a weapon against Tyrant but not one against Odin. Does that tell you something. 😛

I am speculating as you are. The orb and the other characters were against Tyrant not Odin.

We dont know how powerful she is when compared to odin and if she could cause minimal damage to Odin because they have never met. Again Tyrant easily defeated more characters and then did imo more damage to Thanos who was prepped and brought a weapon against him.

You have to only use the common factors in these battles when comparing Tyrant to Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Her lifes purpose is to defeat Tyrant to which she has done squat. She didnt effect him at all really and again she never struck Odin.

Which means nothing since it doesn't matter if she hurt Odin or not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
exactly the orb wasnt used against Odin but was against Tyrant. I guess thanos felt he needed a weapon against Tyrant but not one against Odin. Does that tell you something. 😛

It tells me his wanted to steal the orb, which he himself stated. He wanted to take it from Tyrant. He didn't want anything from Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am speculating as you are. The orb and the other characters were against Tyrant not Odin.

I know they weren't used against Odin. Yes, we are both speculating. The difference is I'm not using my speculation as evidence to prove Tyrant is superior to Odin like you are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know how powerful she is when compared to odin and if she could cause minimal damage to Odin because they have never met. Again Tyrant easily defeated more characters and then did imo more damage to Thanos who was prepped and brought a weapon against him.

She may be able to hurt Odin and she may not be. I don't care. I'm only concerned about her, the orb, and your comment about the orb being very powerful. What she can and can't do to Odin doesn't mean anything. You claimed the orb had to be powerful to hurt Tyrant. Someone as weak as Ganymede hurt Tyrant. That means the orb really don't have to be that powerful to hurt Tyrant. Simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have to only use the common factors in these battles when comparing Tyrant to Odin.

I agree, but Tyrant hasn't been shown on panel enough to take an accurate gauge of his true power level. All we know is he's above Thanos-level but below abstract-level. Based on what we've seen, it's safe to assume he's around skyfather-level.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Which means nothing since it doesn't matter if she hurt Odin or not.

It tells me his wanted to steal the orb, which he himself stated. He wanted to take it from Tyrant. He didn't want anything from Odin.

I know they weren't used against Odin. Yes, we are both speculating. The difference is I'm not using my speculation as evidence to prove Tyrant is superior to Odin like you are.

She may be able to hurt Odin and she may not be. I don't care. I'm only concerned about her, the orb, and your comment about the orb being very powerful. What she can and can't do to Odin doesn't mean anything. You claimed the orb had to be powerful to hurt Tyrant. Someone as weak as Ganymede hurt Tyrant. That means the orb really don't have to be that powerful to hurt Tyrant. Simple.

I agree, but Tyrant hasn't been shown on panel enough to take an accurate gauge of his true power level. All we know is he's above Thanos-level but below abstract-level. Based on what we've seen, it's safe to assume he's around skyfather-level.

It also tells me he used the orb as a weapon as it stored energies. Thanos wouldnt want a an unimpressive piece of crap.

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Tyrant is superior to Odin. His highest feat is against Galactus while Odin couldnt survive against someone this powerful.

Again Ganymede and the orb really didnt affect Ganymede that much and both of these factors never came into contact with Odin. So please cease and desist this speculating. Simple.

Tyrant is above skyfather level. Not by a lot but he is above it. Otherwise name a skyfather that could take on Galactus. Do you think Odin could take him on?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos intelligence is higher than Galactus because each and every time they have been together Thanos has shown himself to be much more intelligent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm she didnt affect Tyrant really at all. She never faced Odin so we dont know how she would affect Odin.

No, really she did. His scream of pain confirmed that. Again, I don't care how much she would affect Odin, because it's not about him. It's about Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It also tells me he used the orb as a weapon as it stored energies. Thanos wouldnt want a an unimpressive piece of crap.

😬

Yet after he escaped with the orb, it's never mentioned again. What did he gain from it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant is superior to Odin. His highest feat is against Galactus while Odin couldnt survive against someone this powerful.

Your opinion. We just went over the fact that Tyrant only got the upper hand on Galactus because of his ability to reverse Galactus' tech and absorb bse. These plot devices doesn't prove he is Odin's superior, unless you want to say Sue Storm is Tyrant's superior.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Ganymede and the orb really didnt affect Ganymede that much and both of these factors never came into contact with Odin. So please cease and desist this speculating. Simple.

I'm not speculating anything. What I'm saying, which you apparently can't comprehend, is that Ganymede hurt Tyrant, therefore disproving what you claimed, without an ounce of proof, that the orb must be powerful because it can hurt Tyrant. Don't care about what either one can do to Odin...again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant is above skyfather level. Not by a lot but he is above it. Otherwise name a skyfather that could take on Galactus. Do you think Odin could take him on?

You have yet to prove he is. If Odin (or Thanos) had the same ability to absorb bse and reverse Galactus' tech, he would have done the exact same thing. What Tyrant did is also a plot device. If he were truly as powerful as you claimed, he would stand a chance against others at Galactus' level. Both of us know he doesn't.

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Tyrant stomps the hell out of Odin.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

lol Galactus shut him up fast.

Odin FTW

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos knew he didnt have the power to stop him. He tried to reason with him but Galactus is an arrogant fool sometimes.

If Galactus could have beaten him on his own why didnt he? Thanos was more that a threat to the Hunger he did ya know defeat him.

Again even with Firelord forgetting his abilities he is way above Spiderman. Galactus isnt way above Tyrant as per the comic. Galactus prepared himself and was well fed and still was getting worked even when he used his own tech on him.

And yet he tried throught the entire act whose is the arrogant fool? The person believing he is working to the best of the universe ore the person that is so far below the first person in powerclass ressource etc that he needs a ladder to reach him and still tries to stop him, which of those two is the arrogant fool?

Galactus easily beat Thanos on panel as showed. He wasn't a threat to the summoning of Hunger which was what Hunger concerned himself with.

No Galactus just happened to forget a hole lot of his abilities too in that comic...

Originally posted by Utrigita
And yet he tried throught the entire act whose is the arrogant fool? The person believing he is working to the best of the universe ore the person that is so far below the first person in powerclass ressource etc that he needs a ladder to reach him and still tries to stop him, which of those two is the arrogant fool?

Galactus easily beat Thanos on panel as showed. He wasn't a threat to the summoning of Hunger which was what Hunger concerned himself with.

No Galactus just happened to forget a hole lot of his abilities too in that comic...

hah, well you know how starlin likes to pimp Thanos...and he's def got that right, since all that stuff happened in starlin's own book.

things happen on-panel that we may disagree with, but it happens to everybody...

....the Thani-copter comes to mind hahaha

Originally posted by Tenebrous
hah, well you know how starlin likes to pimp Thanos...and he's def got that right, since all that stuff happened in starlin's own book.

things happen on-panel that we may disagree with, but it happens to everybody...

....the Thani-copter comes to mind hahaha

As always Tenebrous I can only 👆

Did you get my PM with the scans from Guy btw?

Originally posted by Tenebrous

Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, really she did. His scream of pain confirmed that. Again, I don't care how much she would affect Odin, because it's not about him. It's about Tyrant.

Yet after he escaped with the orb, it's never mentioned again. What did he gain from it?

Your opinion. We just went over the fact that Tyrant only got the upper hand on Galactus because of his ability to reverse Galactus' tech and absorb bse. These plot devices doesn't prove he is Odin's superior, unless you want to say Sue Storm is Tyrant's superior.

I'm not speculating anything. What I'm saying, which you apparently can't comprehend, is that Ganymede hurt Tyrant, therefore disproving what you claimed, without an ounce of proof, that the orb must be powerful because it can hurt Tyrant. Don't care about what either one can do to Odin...again.

You have yet to prove he is. If Odin (or Thanos) had the same ability to absorb bse and reverse Galactus' tech, he would have done the exact same thing. What Tyrant did is also a plot device. If he were truly as powerful as you claimed, he would stand a chance against others at Galactus' level. Both of us know he doesn't.

We dont know exactly what Thanos gained from the orb. Maybe knowledge,maybe power,maybe both. Its all speculation.

Yes we went over why Tyrant is superior to Odin. His power source is the same as Galactus' which isnt a plot device its their power source. Is the odinforce a plot device then and all power sources? Is Henshaw using a plot device everytime he takes over tech or is it a part of his powerset?

No. Neither Ganymede nor the orb hurt Odin and even came into contact with Odin. If he easily strugged off either youd have a point but again its an uncommon factor you are tying to use to illustrate your point.

Tyrant was only using his power source which happened to be the same as Galactus' which no duh he created him. Tyrant also has control over tech and is a part of his powerset not some plot device.

Originally posted by Alucard25
lol Galactus shut him up fast.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And yet he tried throught the entire act whose is the arrogant fool? The person believing he is working to the best of the universe ore the person that is so far below the first person in powerclass ressource etc that he needs a ladder to reach him and still tries to stop him, which of those two is the arrogant fool?

Galactus easily beat Thanos on panel as showed. He wasn't a threat to the summoning of Hunger which was what Hunger concerned himself with.

No Galactus just happened to forget a hole lot of his abilities too in that comic...

So you admit Galactus can be a downright fool and even be as stupid as to forget his very abilities and you dare compare him to Thanos.