Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, it does. She may be able to hurt Odin and may not. Since we don't know, stop throwing that in there. What we do know is she hurt Tyrant, and she's nowhere near as powerful as Thanos.

Because the fact that Thanos would have the gall to steal from him pissed him off. He states as much by stating "No one dares pilfer from me!"

But you don't know, so you can't claim anything. All you know is that it was able to hurt Tyrant, but so was the weaker Ganymede, so the orb doesn't have to be as powerful as you claim.

Again, this is the first time it has been mentioned that Tyrant needed that energy to survive. Galactus didn't create him to need that energy. It would have been counter-productive to his need to have a companion. It wasn't established as Tyrant's power source until this very story, which also happened to be the first and only story where Galactus' power is changed from Power Cosmic to bse, which coincidentally, Tyrant can now absorb. Lazy writing.

Show me scans of the Thanos clone doing just that to Odin.

Because the fact that Thanos used this orb on Tyrant. If it were shit he wouldnt use it as a weapon.

All I know is that the orb and Ganymede have never faced Odin so its moot.

Well Tyrant didnt have that many appearances and his past and his powers were still a bit of a mystery. It isnt lazy writing its brilliant. Galactus still has the power cosmic but his source is that of bse energy. Tyrant has the same source of powers hence he was able to absorb it.

Let me look through the issues on my disc here for a scan.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes, because that wasn't what your statement was about was it?

You clearly said

Please show me, it should be easy to accomplishe this task for Thanos seeing as how his intelligence according to you is higher, though If Thanos as easily as you claim could amp himself above Galactus there had been no reason for Thanos to Create Omega was there?

Wasn't fooled? He tried to right the wrong that Galactus was to be turned into a Bomb, a development that thanos had not seen come.

Thanos when he wants to seeks artifacts and powerups thus amping himself well above Galactus.

Itsa good thing Thanos doesnt crave ultimate power anymore.

Thanos easily made a clone of Galactus who was more powerful than Galactus as stated. Thats pretty impressive.

All Thanos had to do is free Galactus and he himself knew not to fully trust Annihilus as he checked this out for himself. Poor big G was helpless before Thanos because he wanted Galactus prisoner and poor Galactus was taken just like that.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
LMAO, I can't believe quan is actually wanking the powers of the orb as much as it is. Oh and whats with this BS about Thanos amping himself beyond the big g's level...i really wanna see these scans.

Look how easily Odin is taken out here. Poor guy. That Thanos clone is good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We do know Tyrant faced more characters and a prepped Thanos. That we do know.

True, but we do know Odin one-shot SS. Tyrant did not. And again, Thanos' only significant prep was acquiring the orb, which we don't even know how significant since we don't know how much power was in it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because the fact that Thanos used this orb on Tyrant. If it were shit he wouldnt use it as a weapon.

And if it was significant, Tyrant would have said something about it instead of just commenting on how powerful Thanos was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All I know is that the orb and Ganymede have never faced Odin so its moot.

You're the one who keeps bringing Odin into it. I'm just showing you that you are wrong when you said the orb had to be powerful in order to hurt Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well Tyrant didnt have that many appearances and his past and his powers were still a bit of a mystery. It isnt lazy writing its brilliant. Galactus still has the power cosmic but his source is that of bse energy. Tyrant has the same source of powers hence he was able to absorb it.

Galactus' source of power has never been called bse before this, and Tyrant has never been shown to be able to absorb bse before this including their previous encounters. If Galactus was just created a few years ago, then I wouldn't have a problem with this. However, Galactus has been around for over 40 years and not once was his energy referred to as bse nor has it been referred to that since this battle. That's not brilliant. That's lazy. The writer chose to put in a weak plot device to give Tyrant the upper hand instead of coming up with a more believable way that follows continuity.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
True, but we do know Odin one-shot SS. Tyrant did not. And again, Thanos' only significant prep was acquiring the orb, which we don't even know how significant since we don't know how much power was in it.

And if it was significant, Tyrant would have said something about it instead of just commenting on how powerful Thanos was.

You're the one who keeps bringing Odin into it. I'm just showing you that you are wrong when you said the orb had to be powerful in order to hurt Tyrant.

Galactus' source of power has never been called bse before this, and Tyrant has never been shown to be able to absorb bse before this including their previous encounters. If Galactus was just created a few years ago, then I wouldn't have a problem with this. However, Galactus has been around for over 40 years and not once was his energy referred to as bse nor has it been referred to that since this battle. That's not brilliant. That's lazy. The writer chose to put in a weak plot device to give Tyrant the upper hand instead of coming up with a more believable way that follows continuity.

Why would Tyrant have to comment on it. It obviously contained energies that Tyrant stored for a purpose.

The orb and ganymede did no significant damage so you bringing it up proves nothing and proves Odin never faced either of these two things.

I know Galactus power was never called this but it didnt alter his history or anything. Its canon accept it.

Again it explains Tyrants powerset and isnt lazy you just seem to have a problem with it because you have some axe to grind with Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Look how easily Odin is taken out here. Poor guy. That Thanos clone is good.

That doesn't show a Thanos clone taking out Odin.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
That doesn't show a Thanos clone taking out Odin.

Prep is the key point and a lowly clone it seems can have Odin easily dealt with by not raising a finger himself.

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All this talk of the condition of people's clothes is reminding me of the days of such great arguments as "left over hand energies" and "swollen eyeknobs".

Originally posted by quanchi112
We do know Thanos took more blasts from odin then Tyrant and his shirt was fine.

But he looked more hurt, so the state of his clothes means nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would Tyrant have to comment on it. It obviously contained energies that Tyrant stored for a purpose.

Tyrant had hundreds of orbs. How much power was stored into one? Because he commented on Thanos' personal power level. Why would he say Thanos was more powerful than the others if he was being significantly augmented by the orb?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb and ganymede did no significant damage so you bringing it up proves nothing and proves Odin never faced either of these two things.

It proves that you are wrong by stating the orb must be very powerful to hurt Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know Galactus power was never called this but it didnt alter his history or anything. Its canon accept it.

Yeah, it did. For that story, it made the Power Cosmic into biospheric energy.

Spider-Man vs. Firelord is canon, too. So is the Black Panther armbar on Surfer. Wolverine being able to pierce Thanos is, too. Do you accept those?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again it explains Tyrants powerset and isnt lazy you just seem to have a problem with it because you have some axe to grind with Tyrant.

I don't have any axe to grind against him. He's actually in my top 6 or 7 cosmic characters, certainly more favorite than Odin. I just hate it when someone tries to make anyone more than they really are.

Again, it wasn't described as part of his power set until this battle. If it were, he could have attacked Galactus during their standoff, absorbed his power, and killed him then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That shows what a Thanos clone can do with prep. He had Odin rendered impotent and powerless to do a thing about it himself.

Prep is the key point and a lowly clone it seems can have Odin easily dealt with by not raising a finger himself.

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Wow. He got someone else to do his work. Good job. It would be like him getting someone to unknowingly drain Tyrant's energy before facing him. Big deal. And I believe Thanos himself described that clone as a high end model, not a lowly clone as you suggested.

Odin Wins.

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Originally posted by celestialdemon
But he looked more hurt, so the state of his clothes means nothing.

Tyrant had hundreds of orbs. How much power was stored into one? Because he commented on Thanos' personal power level. Why would he say Thanos was more powerful than the others if he was being significantly augmented by the orb?

It proves that you are wrong by stating the orb must be very powerful to hurt Tyrant.

Yeah, it did. For that story, it made the Power Cosmic into biospheric energy.

Spider-Man vs. Firelord is canon, too. So is the Black Panther armbar on Surfer. Wolverine being able to pierce Thanos is, too. Do you accept those?

I don't have any axe to grind against him. He's actually in my top 6 or 7 cosmic characters, certainly more favorite than Odin. I just hate it when someone tries to make anyone more than they really are.

Again, it wasn't described as part of his power set until this battle. If it were, he could have attacked Galactus during their standoff, absorbed his power, and killed him then.

Who knows if the orb augmented his power or if it just was a weapon. Either way for Thanos to use this means its impressive becasue he isnt an idiot and wouldnt bring something subpar to use against Tyrant.

It did not alter power cosmic it merely was bse energy.

Faulty comparisons. Tyrant has the power to mess with Galactus while Spiderman doesnt have the power to mess with Firelord.

Thanos could have let Wolvie pirce him for all we know as it demoralized him in the end.

I am just giving you facts here and you seem to be saying the story was stupid. Thats basically your defense.

Again it isnt that easy to kill Galactus and Tyrant wanted to make sure he was ready to take him on at a later date.

They both were Tyrant was just the better man that day. 😉

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Wow. He got someone else to do his work. Good job. It would be like him getting someone to unknowingly drain Tyrant's energy before facing him. Big deal. And I believe Thanos himself described that clone as a high end model, not a lowly clone as you suggested.

Tyrant has never been shown to be easily defeated or drained of his power ever. while Odin was simply poisoned and had to rely on his son.

When I said lowly clone I didnt mean low model I meant he didnt stack up to the real Thanos at all.

Imagine what the real Thanos could do if he set his eyes on asgard. 😛

He'd get beat, just like the last time he fought Odin.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He'd get beat, just like the last time he fought Odin.

With prep Thanos destroys the old man.

haven't had a good giggle today .....new i would when i see some of the comments made on these forums.. 😆 😆

always interesting.... 😱

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos when he wants something gets it. He easily obtained the gems,easily acquired the cosmic cube,and obtained the heart and adapted quite easily to this newfound might.

Thanos when he wants to seeks artifacts and powerups thus amping himself well above Galactus.

Itsa good thing Thanos doesnt crave ultimate power anymore.

Thanos easily made a clone of Galactus who was more powerful than Galactus as stated. Thats pretty impressive.

All Thanos had to do is free Galactus and he himself knew not to fully trust Annihilus as he checked this out for himself. Poor big G was helpless before Thanos because he wanted Galactus prisoner and poor Galactus was taken just like that.

And Galactus got what he wanted just as easy, Thanos even says so himself that what Galactus wants comes to be. Lets not forget that it was his manipulation of the previous powerups like the CCU and the IG that allowed Thanos to handle the energy that the Heart Contained.

Again discluding the artifacts then what powerups can be gain that will put him above Galactus level.

It's a good thing that Galactus doesn't either 😬 you point is?

After having devoured three planets, and Omega showings are far lower then Galactus, Omega was killed by a planetary explosion and he was at full power, Galactus was weakened and survived a planetary colition at point blank range. Obvious Omega wasn't two times Galactus.

However he was tricked, and he knew it. Thanos got Galactus handed on a silver plate he hardly did anything other then work together with Tenebrous and Aegis which did all the Job and was going to attack Galactus regardless of what Thanos wanted, that he stumbled apon them was more incident then planned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah if Thanos wanted to he could definitely beat Odin. With prep the guy gets the gems or makes Omega or clone wars asgard.

With prep Thanos destroys the old man.

So you're saying that Thanos wanted to lose their fight?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt look more hurt. Not at all and Odin also blasted him more. You seem to overlook that fact.

His extra blast was the first one that had no effect on Thanos, so big deal. Thanos struggled to get up at the end of the Odin fight. He didn't against the Tyrant one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who knows if the orb augmented his power or if it just was a weapon. Either way for Thanos to use this means its impressive becasue he isnt an idiot and wouldnt bring something subpar to use against Tyrant.

Thanos didn't know how much energy was in the orb. Why do you think he was running his tests on it at the end of the series? So if you don't know how much power it has it in, stop calling it impressive. You are just speculating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It did not alter power cosmic it merely was bse energy.

It altered the idea that Galactus' energy could be absorbed by another being. If the writer would have left it as Power Cosmic, then he would have no excuse for the other heralds to not be able to absorb Galactus' energy also. So, he decided to come up with some other name for it and give Tyrant the ability to absorb it. Lazy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Faulty comparisons. Tyrant has the power to mess with Galactus while Spiderman doesnt have the power to mess with Firelord.

Tyrant never had the ability to drain Galactus' energy in the billions of years he's been around until this story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos could have let Wolvie pirce him for all we know as it demoralized him in the end.

The mere fact that someone as weak as Wolverine was able to pierce Thanos at all is what I'm getting at.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am just giving you facts here and you seem to be saying the story was stupid. Thats basically your defense.

You're giving your own interpretation of the results, stating that because Tyrant had a plot device to get the upper hand on Galactus he is suddenly more powerful than Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again it isnt that easy to kill Galactus and Tyrant wanted to make sure he was ready to take him on at a later date.

Why should it matter if Tyrant has the ability to absorb Galactus' energy at will and grow stronger because of it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
They both were Tyrant was just the better man that day. 😉

Yep, Tyrant was able to exploit a plot device.