Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here is the difference. It didnt seem to hard for a Thanos knockoff to totally take Odin out of the equation with prep.

Tyrant has never been shown to be easily defeated or drained of his power ever. while Odin was simply poisoned and had to rely on his son.

When I said lowly clone I didnt mean low model I meant he didnt stack up to the real Thanos at all.

Imagine what the real Thanos could do if he set his eyes on asgard. 😛

The real Thanos could easily defeat Tyrant if that was his goal, also. But that was never his intention during their first confrontation.

You also neglect to mention that Odin at the time was already weakened before Takaris started poisoning him in the first place. The clone Thanos' plot never involved a full powered Odin.

If you really want to use this incident, it was also revealed that Thanos admitted he lost to Odin during their battle. 😉

Originally posted by Utrigita
And Galactus got what he wanted just as easy, Thanos even says so himself that what Galactus wants comes to be. Lets not forget that it was his manipulation of the previous powerups like the CCU and the IG that allowed Thanos to handle the energy that the Heart Contained.

Again discluding the artifacts then what powerups can be gain that will put him above Galactus level.

It's a good thing that Galactus doesn't either 😬 you point is?

After having devoured three planets, and Omega showings are far lower then Galactus, Omega was killed by a planetary explosion and he was at full power, Galactus was weakened and survived a planetary colition at point blank range. Obvious Omega wasn't two times Galactus.

However he was tricked, and he knew it. Thanos got Galactus handed on a silver plate he hardly did anything other then work together with Tenebrous and Aegis which did all the Job and was going to attack Galactus regardless of what Thanos wanted, that he stumbled apon them was more incident then planned.

So you want to leave out the artifacts. Uhm did you miss the part where Thanos' explosions greatly weakened Galactus along with almost completely destroying Hunger. He might not even need the powerups to take out Galactus but could prep himself to victory with a precise explosion aimed at Galactus.

Omega had one showing. I already pointed out an explosion greatly weakening Galactus. Maybe Omega doesnt have the durabiity of Galactus and maybe he is just more powerful.

Thanos had Galactus beaten. Guess what Galactus wasnt released until Thanos found out himself through his own means that Annihilus was goofy and then Galactus was released.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
His extra blast was the first one that had no effect on Thanos, so big deal. Thanos struggled to get up at the end of the Odin fight. He didn't against the Tyrant one.

Thanos didn't know how much energy was in the orb. Why do you think he was running his tests on it at the end of the series? So if you don't know how much power it has it in, stop calling it impressive. You are just speculating.

It altered the idea that Galactus' energy could be absorbed by another being. If the writer would have left it as Power Cosmic, then he would have no excuse for the other heralds to not be able to absorb Galactus' energy also. So, he decided to come up with some other name for it and give Tyrant the ability to absorb it. Lazy.

Tyrant never had the ability to drain Galactus' energy in the billions of years he's been around until this story.

The mere fact that someone as weak as Wolverine was able to pierce Thanos at all is what I'm getting at.

You're giving your own interpretation of the results, stating that because Tyrant had a plot device to get the upper hand on Galactus he is suddenly more powerful than Odin.

Why should it matter if Tyrant has the ability to absorb Galactus' energy at will and grow stronger because of it?

Yep, Tyrant was able to exploit a plot device.

Did Thanos take any of Tyrant's blasts as if they were nothing?

Galactus always absorbed bse energy and like it or not this writer did not alter anything.

Tyrant faced Galactus once and we dont know exactly how the first battle went.

Thanos lowered himself in this story to give the heroes a chance. Wolverine had no affect and he demoralized heroes with different means of killing them off.

Odin in his powerset doesnt gather his own power from bse and doesnt have the ability to complete mastery over tech as Tyrant has.

It is just their powersets cd.

He was powered by his blasts he just cant steal it from Galactus at will.

I suggest reading their battle again.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The real Thanos could easily defeat Tyrant if that was his goal, also. But that was never his intention during their first confrontation.

You also neglect to mention that Odin at the time was already weakened before Takaris started poisoning him in the first place. The clone Thanos' plot never involved a full powered Odin.

If you really want to use this incident, it was also revealed that Thanos admitted he lost to Odin during their battle. 😉

Put up a scan where the Thanos clone says Thanos lost. Because you know this is a clone right.

Again the poisoning took out Odin easily. The guy couldnt even defend asgard. A clone got the better of him with prep. Even Thanos clones with prep>Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin's first blast had no effect from what it appeared but that doesnt mean that it didnt affect him at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odins first blast didnt affect Thanos in the slightest. He didnt budge.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways just to suit your own argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Thanos take any of Tyrant's blasts as if they were nothing?

Was Odin anywhere near as pissed off as Tyrant was when they fought?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus always absorbed bse energy and like it or not this writer did not alter anything.

Yes, he did. Galactus always absorbed the energy from a planet but not once was it ever stated the kind of energy Galactus wields is bse. It's ALWAYS been referred to as the Power Cosmic. For this story, that was changed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant faced Galactus once and we dont know exactly how the first battle went.

But we do know Tyrant wasn't absorbing his energy or else it would have been a stomp according to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos lowered himself in this story to give the heroes a chance. Wolverine had no affect and he demoralized heroes with different means of killing them off.

The mere fact that Wolverine was even able to pierce Thanos was PIS, even if Thanos was standing there doing nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin in his powerset doesnt gather his own power from bse and doesnt have the ability to complete mastery over tech as Tyrant has.

And until this one story, Tyrant was never said to get his own power from bse either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is just their powersets cd.

It wasn't until this story and this story only.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was powered by his blasts he just cant steal it from Galactus at will.

I suggest reading their battle again.

So why didn't Tyrant just instigate the confrontation and have Galactus blast him so he could get stronger?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Thanos' clone rendered Odin impotent. Thats how easy it was.

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Again the poisoning took out Odin easily. The guy couldnt even defend asgard. A clone got the better of him with prep. Even Thanos clones with prep>Odin.

thanks...haven't had my daily chuckle...... 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Thanos' clone rendered Odin impotent. Thats how easy it was.

Put up a scan where the Thanos clone says Thanos lost. Because you know this is a clone right.

Again the poisoning took out Odin easily. The guy couldnt even defend asgard. A clone got the better of him with prep. Even Thanos clones with prep>Odin.

And he did that to an Odin that was already weakened and had to take the potion in the first place. If he wasn't weakened, then Thanos would have had to find another way, which we don't know if he could have done.

I'll have to pull up the scan, but the quote is "You defeated me. Once. How fitting it was I who stripped you of your most precious possession.” And it doesn't matter that it was the clone who said this. The real Thanos is the one who faced Odin, and the clone had all of Thanos' memories, so the clone knew Thanos lost.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Which is it? You can't have it both ways just to suit your own argument.

Was Odin anywhere near as pissed off as Tyrant was when they fought?

Yes, he did. Galactus always absorbed the energy from a planet but not once was it ever stated the kind of energy Galactus wields is bse. It's ALWAYS been referred to as the Power Cosmic. For this story, that was changed.

But we do know Tyrant wasn't absorbing his energy or else it would have been a stomp according to you.

The mere fact that Wolverine was even able to pierce Thanos was PIS, even if Thanos was standing there doing nothing.

And until this one story, Tyrant was never said to get his own power from bse either.

It wasn't until this story and this story only.

So why didn't Tyrant just instigate the confrontation and have Galactus blast him so he could get stronger?

So now your argument says Odin was in a good mood while Tyrant wasnt. 😂

Noting was changed. It was referred to bse because thats what it was. He still has the power cosmic so really what has changed?

Wolvie pierce a Thanos who demoralized the heroes. Thanos was playing with them.

Because he wasnt ready yet for this confrontation. He cant beat Galactus that easily and both of them wanted this to happen at a later time. But Tyrant took his herald. If it was so easy for Galactus to punk him why didnt he beat him and take Morg right then and there.

Originally posted by lannfear
thanks...haven't had my daily chuckle...... 😆

Originally posted by celestialdemon
And he did that to an Odin that was already weakened and had to take the potion in the first place. If he wasn't weakened, then Thanos would have had to find another way, which we don't know if he could have done.

I'll have to pull up the scan, but the quote is "You defeated me. Once. How fitting it was I who stripped you of your most precious possession.” And it doesn't matter that it was the clone who said this. The real Thanos is the one who faced Odin, and the clone had all of Thanos' memories, so the clone knew Thanos lost.

Can you prove this clone had all of Thanos' memories.

I saw the fight and when did Thanos lose? Thanos was losing but hadnt lost yet. Read the fight again.

- Thanos' clone had one-sided prep.
- He claimed that Odin had beaten him in their earlier encounter
- Do you know what a clone is dumbshitchi?

Originally posted by llagrok
- Thanos' clone had one-sided prep.
- He claimed that Odin had beaten him in their earlier encounter
- Do you know what a clone is dumbshitchi?

Odin was beating him but I saw the battle and he didnt lose. You dont ask someone to yield if they lost.

Do all clones have Thanos past memories or do certain ones have them?

Did Omega have all past memories?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Thanos clone through prep found a way to have Odin foolishly drink poison.

Can you prove this clone had all of Thanos' memories.

I saw the fight and when did Thanos lose? Thanos was losing but hadnt lost yet. Read the fight again.

He knew about the fight, and he knew Thanos had lost or at least Thanos felt he had lost. How else did he know about it? He sure as hell wasn't watching it.

And it was a weakened Odin. It wouldn't have worked against a normal Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
From the way it was drawn it affected him very little if at all. Thats still one more blast. Its obvious the more Odin blasted Thanos the more it affected him.

It's also obvious that Thanos had no problem getting up from Tyrant's attack and was smiling afterwards. He was doing neither after Odin. One blast wouldn't do that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So now your argument says Odin was in a good mood while Tyrant wasnt. 😂

Did I say Odin was in a good mood? No. Odin was talking to Thanos normally. Tyrant was screaming at him and looked upset.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Noting was changed. It was referred to bse because thats what it was. He still has the power cosmic so really what has changed?

Why was it only referred to bse in this story and this story only? Why wasn't it called that in the 40 other years of Galactus' existence?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wolvie pierce a Thanos who demoralized the heroes. Thanos was playing with them.

It doesn't matter what their morale was. The mere fact that Wolverine could pierce Thanos was PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he wasnt ready yet for this confrontation. He cant beat Galactus that easily and both of them wanted this to happen at a later time. But Tyrant took his herald. If it was so easy for Galactus to punk him why didnt he beat him and take Morg right then and there.

Why wasn't he ready? What did he have to do? Get stronger? Galactus would make him stronger from his blasts then proceed to own him, remember.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
He knew about the fight, and he knew Thanos had lost or at least Thanos felt he had lost. How else did he know about it? He sure as hell wasn't watching it.

And it was a weakened Odin. It wouldn't have worked against a normal Odin.

Put up the scan,

The point is with prep a Thanos clone can easily defeat or render Odin impotent. Thanos doesnt run around having characters poisoned. Whatever the situation calls for Thanos will do.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
It's also obvious that Thanos had no problem getting up from Tyrant's attack and was smiling afterwards. He was doing neither after Odin. One blast wouldn't do that.

Did I say Odin was in a good mood? No. Odin was talking to Thanos normally. Tyrant was screaming at him and looked upset.

Why was it only referred to bse in this story and this story only? Why wasn't it called that in the 40 other years of Galactus' existence?

It doesn't matter what their morale was. The mere fact that Wolverine could pierce Thanos was PIS.

Why wasn't he ready? What did he have to do? Get stronger? Galactus would make him stronger from his blasts then proceed to own him, remember.

Oh so Tyrant was angrier than Odin. That is your reasoning. Anger levels, he isn the Hulk. 😬

This was the first on panel battle we saw between Tyrant and Galactus in its entirety. It was explained so quit being a baby about it and accept it.

Ok thats your opinion but again Thanos was playing with them. Wolvie hasnt pierced him since then so maybe its pis or maybe Thanos allowed him to to turn his bones into rubber. We wont know.

Tyrant wanted to make sure he was ready. He punked Galactus easily and took his herald. Then when they fought he dominated Galactus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But we both saw the fight. Thanos was losing but hadnt lost.

Put up the scan,

The point is with prep a Thanos clone can easily defeat or render Odin impotent. Thanos doesnt run around having characters poisoned. Whatever the situation calls for Thanos will do.

Thanos clone got someone else to poison a weakened Odin for him. That's a hell of a lot different than him doing the prep himself against a normal Odin.

We also saw the Tyrant fight, yet you are so quick to point out that Thanos admitted Tyrant would kill him, yet you don't want to believe it when Thanos admitted Odin beat him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos clone got someone else to poison a weakened Odin for him. That's a hell of a lot different than him doing the prep himself against a normal Odin.

We also saw the Tyrant fight, yet you are so quick to point out that Thanos admitted Tyrant would kill him, yet you don't want to believe it when Thanos admitted Odin beat him.

Again thanos didnt object to Tyrant saying he would remedy the situation. But this Thanos clone overrides the battle I saw myself on panel.

Wheres your scan anyways?

I put up the scan you asked for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was obvious Thanos stood and didnt even budge from Odins first blast. He didnt stand there and take any of Tyrant's blast that easily at all. Odin blasted him one more time as well.

So you believe with Thanos' durability that one more blast from Tyrant would have made Thanos go from getting up no problem and smiling to being on all fours sucking wind and struggling to get up?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh so Tyrant was angrier than Odin. That is your reasoning. Anger levels, he isn the Hulk. 😬

Stop acting stupid. It's obvious to anyone that if a character is angrier, they are going to try harder than they would if they weren't angry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This was the first on panel battle we saw between Tyrant and Galactus in its entirety. It was explained so quit being a baby about it and accept it.

In the first fight, Tyrant obviously didn't absorb Galactus' blasts or else Galactus wouldn't be alive, right? And yet in the billions of years since Tyrant has been around, not once has he thought to just allow Galactus to blast him so he could absorb his energy and kill him. Instead, he chose to gather energy the long way. Pretty smart thinking there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok thats your opinion but again Thanos was playing with them. Wolvie hasnt pierced him since then so maybe its pis or maybe Thanos allowed him to to turn his bones into rubber. We wont know.

Oh, so you'll admit something like this is PIS when it only happened in this story alone but not in the Galactus/Tyrant fight? Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with Tyrant being your second favorite character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant wanted to make sure he was ready. He punked Galactus easily and took his herald. Then when they fought he dominated Galactus.

Why would he have to make sure he was ready? Galactus' blasts power him up. He would ALWAYS be ready with an ability like that.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So you believe with Thanos' durability that one more blast from Tyrant would have made Thanos go from getting up no problem and smiling to being on all fours sucking wind and struggling to get up?

Stop acting stupid. It's obvious to anyone that if a character is angrier, they are going to try harder than they would if they weren't angry.

In the first fight, Tyrant obviously didn't absorb Galactus' blasts or else Galactus wouldn't be alive, right? And yet in the billions of years since Tyrant has been around, not once has he thought to just allow Galactus to blast him so he could absorb his energy and kill him. Instead, he chose to gather energy the long way. Pretty smart thinking there.

Oh, so you'll admit something like this is PIS when it only happened in this story alone but not in the Galactus/Tyrant fight? Hmm, I wonder if it has something to do with Tyrant being your second favorite character.

Why would he have to make sure he was ready? Galactus' blasts power him up. He would ALWAYS be ready with an ability like that.

I am not acting stupid. You are grasping and now your argument centers around Tyrant being more serious and more angry than Odin. Speculation.

Who knows exactly what happened in the first fight. I know what happened in the second one.

I never said it was pis or not with Thanos. You seem to cry pis when you dont like something especially when it concerns Tyrant's power set.

To make sure he was ready for an all out battle. Galactus can do more than just blast. 😉