Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
What the hell are you talking about? The clone was created after his upgrade by Mistress Death but before The End upgrade.

When did I ever say he could upgrade himself to be as powerful as Mistress Death?

That we know for sure, true.

Why would he not know where it is? He himself said he set it after Thor.

I read it. That wasn't the same clone that invaded Asgard. That clone was killed by Thor and the Designate.

You just said the clone could be more powerful than the real Thanos?

Not this clone but I am saying all his clones in general.

I know it wasnt the same clone. That clone to me was wielding some real power. Eternity and Mistress Death were involved. Some real heavy hitters were involved there not just asgardians. Thats my point as to what Thanos clones are capable of when they have nihilistic traits.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Thanos in his earlier conquests prepared himself to wield the heart meaning there arent many characters out there if any that could handle and adapt to the heart as quickly as Thanos did.

So you want to leave out the artifacts. Uhm did you miss the part where Thanos' explosions greatly weakened Galactus along with almost completely destroying Hunger. He might not even need the powerups to take out Galactus but could prep himself to victory with a precise explosion aimed at Galactus.

Omega had one showing. I already pointed out an explosion greatly weakening Galactus. Maybe Omega doesnt have the durabiity of Galactus and maybe he is just more powerful.

Thanos had Galactus beaten. Guess what Galactus wasnt released until Thanos found out himself through his own means that Annihilus was goofy and then Galactus was released.

He didn't prepare himself for the heart, he simply craved universal dominance he never worked on getting the artifacts to amp himself to the heart and again, you said Thanos could easily find ways to amp himself above Galactus, I request again that you show from where you draw that conclusion as mentioned before discounting Artifacts.

Ehh did you miss the Part where Galactus himself says that he is weakened, did you miss the previous part where Galactus survived a supernova unscrathed and teleported out of there?

Did you miss the part where Thanos confirms Omega to be at full power? And highly unlikely that Omega durability show be below Galactus based on what he in theory is a amalgam of however his one showings clearly shows that Omega was far from the Level of which Galactus operates on even when low on energy.

Thanos didn't have Galactus beaten, Tenebrous and Aegis had. Thanos was killed by Drax before he had the chance to release Galactus, hence it falled to Drax to unleash Galactus Thanos was on his way to it, but the reason for why he wanted to release Galactus was the lacking of options, Thanos had two, keep Galactus trapped = 616 and Negative zone goes boom, Release Galactus = unknown consequances, however death would most likely follow, that was Thanos options because Annihilus had managed to be one step ahead of Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He stood on his own and didnt have trouble standing throughout the rest of the comic.

That's because he was recovering the whole time. The point is after Odin's attack he had trouble standing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The shirt to me signifies the artist's intentions here. He showed asgard being easily trashed while Thanos and his clothers for that mater being in better shape than that of asgard.

Clothes don't signify damage. Thanos has been hurt far worse than what Tyrant did to him, and his clothes were fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was stated to be in worse shape though in the comic against Galactus.

Yet his clothes were fine. Hmm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos got up and said no to Odins question. The guy thought he previously beat Thanos but Thanos corrected him.

It took him 4 panels to get up, so it obviously wasn't easy. He didn't struggle at all to get up from Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your speculations arent based on anything and you continually say its bad writing. That isnt a good way to debate. You nitpick everything an din the end say Galactus should have won and complain.

You have yet to prove me wrong, because you can't. Tyrant couldn't absorb bse before this fight. Now all of a sudden he can, and it just so happens Galactus now wields bse, which Tyrant can absorb. What a coincidence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Does Morg absorb planets for his energy source? Does he himself need to feed to survive? Oh thats right thats just Galactus and not his heralds. 😉

Morg possesses the Power Cosmic, which Galactus gave to him. And wasn't it you who said Tyrant could absorb Galactus' energy because he himself wielded the same kind of energy? Should have been no problem to absorb the energy of someone who carries only a tiny fraction of Galen's power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes I was saying that Thanos was upgraded twice by more power. Mistress Death an abstract upgraded him and he himself upgraded himself after he was supreme. How can he replicate either on his own. The only time he created a clone with more power than himself was with Galactus dna.

The only upgrade that happened before he created the clone was the first time Death resurrected him and he gained the IG. The End upgrade happened after his clone invaded Asgard. We are not talking about his clone then being as powerful as he is now. We are talking about Thanos before his End upgrade.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just said the clone could be more powerful than the real Thanos?

Not more powerful but it's possible for a clone to be very close to his power level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not this clone but I am saying all his clones in general.

I'm not talking about his other clones. We're only talking about the one that invaded Asgard. I know the Thanosi (the gimmick ones) were weak compared to Thanos, besides Omega.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know it wasnt the same clone. That clone to me was wielding some real power. Eternity and Mistress Death were involved. Some real heavy hitters were involved there not just asgardians. Thats my point as to what Thanos clones are capable of when they have nihilistic traits.

So why even bring up that it was just a clone Thanos who prepped against Odin when you yourself admitted that another clone was able to wield some real power?

Originally posted by Utrigita
He didn't prepare himself for the heart, he simply craved universal dominance he never worked on getting the artifacts to amp himself to the heart and again, you said Thanos could easily find ways to amp himself above Galactus, I request again that you show from where you draw that conclusion as mentioned before discounting Artifacts.

Ehh did you miss the Part where Galactus himself says that he is weakened, did you miss the previous part where Galactus survived a supernova unscrathed and teleported out of there?

Did you miss the part where Thanos confirms Omega to be at full power? And highly unlikely that Omega durability show be below Galactus based on what he in theory is a amalgam of however his one showings clearly shows that Omega was far from the Level of which Galactus operates on even when low on energy.

Thanos didn't have Galactus beaten, Tenebrous and Aegis had. Thanos was killed by Drax before he had the chance to release Galactus, hence it falled to Drax to unleash Galactus Thanos was on his way to it, but the reason for why he wanted to release Galactus was the lacking of options, Thanos had two, keep Galactus trapped = 616 and Negative zone goes boom, Release Galactus = unknown consequances, however death would most likely follow, that was Thanos options because Annihilus had managed to be one step ahead of Thanos.

Again Omnega was stated as more powerful than Galactus. Thats what was stated. You can make your case why he wasnt but the point is Thanos created him and was trying to beat him he wouldnt lie. 😬

That explosion greatly weakened Galactus. Thanos could do worse trust me.

Thanos had Galactus captured. He set it up is the point. Big G was clueless. The point is when Thanos wants Galactus taken he gets taken. Its a goof thing Thanos doesnt want him destroyed.

The only reason he was killed was because he tried to save Galactus and release him. If Thanos didnt want him released at that moment he would still be alive.

Thanos could have released him at a later time and actually have beaten down Drax first. This is just how the events happened.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
That's because he was recovering the whole time. The point is after Odin's attack he had trouble standing.

Clothes don't signify damage. Thanos has been hurt far worse than what Tyrant did to him, and his clothes were fine.

Yet his clothes were fine. Hmm.

It took him 4 panels to get up, so it obviously wasn't easy. He didn't struggle at all to get up from Tyrant.

You have yet to prove me wrong, because you can't. Tyrant couldn't absorb bse before this fight. Now all of a sudden he can, and it just so happens Galactus now wields bse, which Tyrant can absorb. What a coincidence.

Morg possesses the Power Cosmic, which Galactus gave to him. And wasn't it you who said Tyrant could absorb Galactus' energy because he himself wielded the same kind of energy? Should have been no problem to absorb the energy of someone who carries only a tiny fraction of Galen's power.

Again Thanos' condition was never mentioned in either and his clothes were an indicator imo.

Again Odin got in more attacks and concentrated blasts that Thanos waded through. But he got up in both fights but his clothes were fine. in the Odin fight.

Tyrants powers were explained in this story. As much as you hate it that doesnt change it from being canon.

Again Morg doesnt feed off of planets bse energy but Galactus does. See the difference.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
The only upgrade that happened before he created the clone was the first time Death resurrected him and he gained the IG. The End upgrade happened after his clone invaded Asgard. We are not talking about his clone then being as powerful as he is now. We are talking about Thanos before his End upgrade.

Not more powerful but it's possible for a clone to be very close to his power level.

I'm not talking about his other clones. We're only talking about the one that invaded Asgard. I know the Thanosi (the gimmick ones) were weak compared to Thanos, besides Omega.

So why even bring up that it was just a clone Thanos who prepped against Odin when you yourself admitted that another clone was able to wield some real power?

Thanos>than any clone except Omega.

You are speculating.

I know we are talking about the clone that treated Odin like a weakling.

Because it proves that any clone who is less than Thanos with prep can easily take out Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes how much sense does it make if Thanos get give himself the power Death gave him or a clone without something like Galactus dna. It doesnt make sense at all.

Why? His upgrade is now part of his personal power. If he can take dna from a being who isn't even a true humanoid, then it shouldn't be a problem to make a clone of himself that's close to him in power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos>than any clone except Omega.

You are speculating.

Omega was the only clone stated to be more powerful. He also was more powerful than the gimmick clones since he easily destroyed them. He never faced the clone he sent to Asgard, so we don't know how powerful it was. It's also speculating to say the clone was far weaker than Thanos, since no one knows for sure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know we are talking about the clone that treated Odin like a weakling.

The clone didn't do anything except convince Tarakis to poison an already weakened Odin to incapacitate him. Not impressive.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because it proves that any clone who is less than Thanos with prep can easily take out Odin.

No, it doesn't prove ANY clone could do it. If that were the case, then there was no point in Thanos creating a more powerful model than the one that faced Kazar.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Odin got in more attacks.

Again Thanos' condition was never mentioned in either and his clothes were an indicator imo.

Again Odin got in more attacks and concentrated blasts that Thanos waded through. But he got up in both fights but his clothes were fine. in the Odin fight.

Odin did more damage to Thanos than Tyrant as indicated by Thanos struggling to get up against Odin and not Tyrant. He was even smiling at the end of the Tyrant fight. You've always claimed that Tyrant did more damage to Thanos than Odin did in their respective fights, and if all you have as evidence is the condition of his clothes, then you have nothing at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrants powers were explained in this story. As much as you hate it that doesnt change it from being canon.

And only this story. He didn't have the ability to absorb bse before this, and it wasn't explained how he learned it. What brilliant writing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Morg doesnt feed off of planets bse energy but Galactus does. See the difference.

But the energy Morg releases is also Power Cosmic, which is the same as Galactus and Tyrant absorbed that. Same thing with the Silver Surfer attacking him. Nowhere is it stated Tyrant was absorbing his energy. It's the same energy as Galactus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He could amp himself with artifacts. he just cant draw power out of the air.

Again Omnega was stated as more powerful than Galactus. Thats what was stated. You can make your case why he wasnt but the point is Thanos created him and was trying to beat him he wouldnt lie. 😬

That explosion greatly weakened Galactus. Thanos could do worse trust me.

Thanos had Galactus captured. He set it up is the point. Big G was clueless. The point is when Thanos wants Galactus taken he gets taken. Its a goof thing Thanos doesnt want him destroyed.

The only reason he was killed was because he tried to save Galactus and release him. If Thanos didnt want him released at that moment he would still be alive.

Thanos could have released him at a later time and actually have beaten down Drax first. This is just how the events happened.

Nice to hear that because that was the impression that you where giving in your previous statements.

So now we say Character statements > Showings ore what? Thanos himself already clearly stated that Omega was at full power when it was encountered, on what basis do Galactus normally operate on in comics, that would be hungry. So a Fullpowered Omega (devoured three planets) 2 times a hungry Galactus 😬

Galactus was already greatly weakened, The confrontation with Thanos had depleted Vital energies, yes in a comic book scenario in a Versus battle absolutely not, Again Galactus just "forgot" that he could teleport.

Again not correct Tenebrous and Aegis captured Galactus, Thanos was working on capturing Galactus, but he had no influence on what Tenebrous and Aegis was about to do, he simply saw the opportunity to make them do the work he himself could not. The point isn't a very solid ore concrete one for that matter, Because Thanos didn't order around Tenebrous and Aegis and when Thanos wanted the stop Galactus he failed miserably. And it's a good thing for Thanos that Galactus doesn't want him dead because then he would already be dead.

Hardly since the 616 and Negative zone would have been blown to atoms.

But that wasn't what he was about to now was it? NO he was going to realise Galactus because the only other option he had were once he didn't want to use.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Why? His upgrade is now part of his personal power. If he can take dna from a being who isn't even a true humanoid, then it shouldn't be a problem to make a clone of himself that's close to him in power.

Omega was the only clone stated to be more powerful. He also was more powerful than the gimmick clones since he easily destroyed them. He never faced the clone he sent to Asgard, so we don't know how powerful it was. It's also speculating to say the clone was far weaker than Thanos, since no one knows for sure.

The clone didn't do anything except convince Tarakis to poison an already weakened Odin to incapacitate him. Not impressive.

No, it doesn't prove ANY clone could do it. If that were the case, then there was no point in Thanos creating a more powerful model than the one that faced Kazar.

Common sense tells us that Thanos wouldnt make an experimental clone more powerful than himself and I dont see how he could anyways with just his tech and no outside things like Galactus dna.

The clone took out Odin easily. Its impressive how easily Odin was dealt with.

It didnt matter how powerful this clone was with Odin concerned as he didnt have to even do a thing to take him out. Now to deal with Asgard and Thor yes but Odin was impotent and couldnt stop a fly it seems. 😂

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Odin did more damage to Thanos than Tyrant as indicated by Thanos struggling to get up against Odin and not Tyrant. He was even smiling at the end of the Tyrant fight. You've always claimed that Tyrant did more damage to Thanos than Odin did in their respective fights, and if all you have as evidence is the condition of his clothes, then you have nothing at all.

And only this story. He didn't have the ability to absorb bse before this, and it wasn't explained how he learned it. What brilliant writing.

But the energy Morg releases is also Power Cosmic, which is the same as Galactus and Tyrant absorbed that. Same thing with the Silver Surfer attacking him. Nowhere is it stated Tyrant was absorbing his energy. It's the same energy as Galactus.

Odin got in more blasts and actually blasted him far longer as well. Thanos smiled because he was leaving and got we he came there for.

Again his powers were explained. Quit hating on it. Its canon.

Again Galactus needs to feed in order to survive. None of his heralds do. There lies the difference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes but not as powerful or more powerful unless he uses something like Galactus dna.

Common sense tells us that Thanos wouldnt make an experimental clone more powerful than himself and I dont see how he could anyways with just his tech and no outside things like Galactus dna.

You're probably right, but it's not a stretch for Thanos to want to make a clone as close to his power level as possible in order to conduct his tests.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The clone took out Odin easily. Its impressive how easily Odin was dealt with.

The clone didn't do anything to the weakened Odin no matter how bad you wish he did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It didnt matter how powerful this clone was with Odin concerned as he didnt have to even do a thing to take him out. Now to deal with Asgard and Thor yes but Odin was impotent and couldnt stop a fly it seems. 😂

Because the clone didn't do anything to Odin at all. He got someone else to do it for him, because he didn't stand a chance against Odin himself.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nice to hear that because that was the impression that you where giving in your previous statements.

So now we say Character statements > Showings ore what? Thanos himself already clearly stated that Omega was at full power when it was encountered, on what basis do Galactus normally operate on in comics, that would be hungry. So a Fullpowered Omega (devoured three planets) 2 times a hungry Galactus 😬

Galactus was already greatly weakened, The confrontation with Thanos had depleted Vital energies, yes in a comic book scenario in a Versus battle absolutely not, Again Galactus just "forgot" that he could teleport.

Again not correct Tenebrous and Aegis captured Galactus, Thanos was working on capturing Galactus, but he had no influence on what Tenebrous and Aegis was about to do, he simply saw the opportunity to make them do the work he himself could not. The point isn't a very solid ore concrete one for that matter, Because Thanos didn't order around Tenebrous and Aegis and when Thanos wanted the stop Galactus he failed miserably. And it's a good thing for Thanos that Galactus doesn't want him dead because then he would already be dead.

Hardly since the 616 and Negative zone would have been blown to atoms.

But that wasn't what he was about to now was it? NO he was going to realise Galactus because the only other option he had were once he didn't want to use.

Its canon. Just because Galactus didnt teleport it means nothing. I could very easily say when Thanos was killed by Drax he forgot he could kill Drax and then release Galactus immediately afterwards. There was no countdown to oblivion. What happened is what happened we cant sat he could have done this or this. Nope it happened and its canon.

Again Thanos wanted Galactus captured and it was done. Thanos wanted him to be released and it happened. Galactus couldnt do a thing to stop Thanos and had to rely on others to get released.

Thanos wanted him released and never fully trusted Annihilus.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're probably right, but it's not a stretch for Thanos to want to make a clone as close to his power level as possible in order to conduct his tests.

The clone didn't do anything to the weakened Odin no matter how bad you wish he did.

Because the clone didn't do anything to Odin at all. He got someone else to do it for him, because he didn't stand a chance against Odin himself.

He didnt have to. The beuty in it all was that he was powerless and had to depend on Thor.

Hey its still brilliant. My point is Thanos can take out Odin when he wants to. A clone did it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Round and round we go.

Odin got in more blasts and actually blasted him far longer as well. Thanos smiled because he was leaving and got we he came there for.

He didn't smile when he defied Odin. And even if Tyrant got his extra blast in to equal Odin's number, you have to assume it would have done enough damage to drop Thanos and make him struggle to get up. We don't know if it would have.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again his powers were explained. Quit hating on it. Its canon.

They were explained only in this comic. They weren't explained during the Cosmic Powers series when Thanos was studying his whole damn history, nor was it even hinted at when Galactus and Tyrant had their standoff.

There are a lot of things that are canon but are obvious PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Galactus needs to feed in order to survive. None of his heralds do. There lies the difference.

Tyrant wasn't able to absorb the energy Galactus had stored inside of him. He had to wait until Galactus unleashed it in the form of the Power Cosmic. The heralds possess the same Power Cosmic but in a weaker form. Tyrant should have been able to absorb them also.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes but you know Thanos>any clone in terms of intelligence,feats,yada,yada.

Probably so but how much so is the question. We don't know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt have to. The beuty in it all was that he was powerless and had to depend on Thor.

He was powerless because of what Tarakis did, not the clone. And he was already weak before Tarakis gave him the poison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hey its still brilliant. My point is Thanos can take out Odin when he wants to. A clone did it.

You have absolutely zero proof that he can. A clone enlisting the aid of a third party to take out a weakened Odin isn't even close to cutting it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
He didn't smile when he defied Odin. And even if Tyrant got his extra blast in to equal Odin's number, you have to assume it would have done enough damage to drop Thanos and make him struggle to get up. We don't know if it would have.

They were explained only in this comic. They weren't explained during the Cosmic Powers series when Thanos was studying his whole damn history, nor was it even hinted at when Galactus and Tyrant had their standoff.

There are a lot of things that are canon but are obvious PIS.

Tyrant wasn't able to absorb the energy Galactus had stored inside of him. He had to wait until Galactus unleashed it in the form of the Power Cosmic. The heralds possess the same Power Cosmic but in a weaker form. Tyrant should have been able to absorb them also.

Ok Thanos took more Odin blasts and actually ran right through a gungir blast that was concentrated on him. Imagine if Tyrant was blasting him and Thanos was running right through it. Do you seem my point? Longer blasts and more blasts.

Ok so what. Its canon and accept it. Quit giving me reasons why you hate it and why it should have been already explained.

Tyrants powerset doesnt count as pis.

Again his heralds dont feed on bse energy. But Galactus does and thats what he absorbed.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Probably so but how much so is the question. We don't know.

He was powerless because of what Tarakis did, not the clone. And he was already weak before Tarakis gave him the poison.

You have absolutely zero proof that he can. A clone enlisting the aid of a third party to take out a weakened Odin isn't even close to cutting it.

Thanos had it set up.

Yes it proves when a clone wants asgard that Odin can be easily taken out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt come there to defy Odin he came there to get his son help.

True.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok Thanos took more Odin blasts and actually ran right through a gungir blast that was concentrated on him. Imagine if Tyrant was blasting him and Thanos was running right through it. Do you seem my point? Longer blasts and more blasts.

So if you are willing to make so many excuses for Thanos being more hurt than Tyrant, how can you possibly use the end result of each battle as proof that Tyrant is more powerful than Odin?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok so what. Its canon and accept it. Quit giving me reasons why you hate it and why it should have been already explained.

I've accepted it, but I'm in no way going to use it as proof that Tyrant is even close to Galactus in level or as proof that he can beat Odin because of it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrants powerset doesnt count as pis.

It does if it was created specifically for this battle and only to allow him to absorb Galactus' energy, which was mysteriously changed from Power Cosmic to bse energy for this story also.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again his heralds dont feed on bse energy. But Galactus does and thats what he absorbed.

He absorbed the energy Galactus released, which is the same kind of energy all the heralds possess.