Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Started by celestialdemon42 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok but I think you agree with me that it wasnt as powerful as the real Thanos at the time.

It's possible. I can't say for sure because we don't know, but I won't argue against it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Huh Thanos clone was attemtping to mess with all of asgard. Taking out Odin is great if your in for a war with all of asgard is it not? I mean be serious here and give credit where its due.

I give credit to Thanos every chance I get. I give him credit for being able to exploit the situation. However, saying that he pwned Odin because of this and can take over Asgard whenever he wants is ridiculous.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos got someone to do it because it would get done. As long as it works its brilliant.

He got someone else to do it because he couldn't do it himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again brilliance to take advantage of a situation. You must adapt in comics just as you do in real life and the clone adapted easily and seized the day.

I'm not arguing that it was a smart move. I'm arguing that it's not an example of him owning Odin anytime he wants like you are.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
It's possible. I can't say for sure because we don't know, but I won't argue against it.

I give credit to Thanos every chance I get. I give him credit for being able to exploit the situation. However, saying that he pwned Odin because of this and can take over Asgard whenever he wants is ridiculous.

He got someone else to do it because he couldn't do it himself.

I'm not arguing that it was a smart move. I'm arguing that it's not an example of him owning Odin anytime he wants like you are.

We both know he wasnt more powerful than the real one and doesnt have the feats for someone to reach that conclusion.

Oh brother. A clone almost did it. When Thanos puts his mind to it asgard is small potatoes. He gets the ig and takes on the whole universe not lowly asgard. My point is a clone almost took it over, a Thanos experiment almost did it.

All great leaders have other people do their dirty work. You think the should all go about doing every menial task. Nah be realistic.

Again this proves that even a Thanos clone can take on all of asgard with prep and when thats his goal. Good thing he came to asgard to jus help Thor and not take it over.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont have to prove ho wmuc power was in the orb. It wasnt used in the Odin fight. Its an uncommon factor.

So because you don't have to prove it, you don't know how much it helped him against Tyrant. Therefore, you don't know how much it would have helped him against Odin. So it's pointless to try and suggest Thanos was able to do more damage to Tyrant because of it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In that story his condition was explained. I have already refuted this point many times.

Yet you ignore the fact that it's even possible for him to actually be more injured with his clothes still intact, which goes against the whole point you're trying to make.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its the very energy that powers him. Again dont tell me how much you hate this story accept it as its canon.

But it's not the energy he released, which is what Tyrant absorbed. There's a difference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did he reform in the Abraxas storyline?

He wasn't given the time before the revived him. It never stated he would instantly reform. It just said he eventually would.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Same energy where Galactus derives his power from. He shoul dhave known better than to use it on Tyrant.

No, it's not the same energy. If it is, then the Power Cosmic is the same as bse, and Tyrant should have been able to absorb it from the heralds.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So because you don't have to prove it, you don't know how much it helped him against Tyrant. Therefore, you don't know how much it would have helped him against Odin. So it's pointless to try and suggest Thanos was able to do more damage to Tyrant because of it.

Yet you ignore the fact that it's even possible for him to actually be more injured with his clothes still intact, which goes against the whole point you're trying to make.

But it's not the energy he released, which is what Tyrant absorbed. There's a difference.

He wasn't given the time before the revived him. It never stated he would instantly reform. It just said he eventually would.

No, it's not the same energy. If it is, then the Power Cosmic is the same as bse, and Tyrant should have been able to absorb it from the heralds.

Its an uncommon factor. Obviously it was powerful enough for Thanos to use as a weapon. If it was crap Thanos wouldnt have taken it and used it as a weapon. Common sense tells me this much.

Each writer and artist has different interpretations of each and every character. Tyrant destroyed his clothes in less strikes and is less time. His condition wasnt explained so I go on artist renditions.

It was explained in the story. He absorbed his bse. 😐

Ok so in the meantime while he is dead what happens to the heralds since there is no Galactus to draw power from?

Again heralds dont feed on planets to get their energy from that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Thanos created Omega using Galactus' own dna. Trying to compare some other ridiculous statement to this is ridiculous. Its a fact.

Thanos was in the middle of doing something else. Something very important and like I said he had no clue as we know wit what we have read that he knew Drax was capable of this. He just recently changed.

Thanos was deceived but found it by his own means by using Moondragon because he didnt trust him.

Thanos spoke the truth and Galactus was an utter moron imo. Thanos finds out himself usually but Galactus refuses to listen and almost got the universe destroyed by releasing Hunger. Thanos cleaned it up though.

Thanos has incurred Galactus' wrath before and lived to tell the tale. Ig etc. He chose to release Galactus.

Anyone can be deceived but Thanos has always shown himself to be a great manipulator and to exhibit much more intelligence than Galactus has ever shown.

Thanos arranged Galactus' capture through T and A while he didnt arrange Annihilus' defeat through Nova. Pretty simple actually.

And he didn't show anything that would place him at a hungry Galactus level, he was defeated by a 4 heroes that galactus could erase in a instant 😬 Character statements simply isn't enough, especially when the Character shows that it's pretty much hyperbole.

Again a unknown factor, that Thanos didn't take into account, and let me see most important defeat a being enginered to defeat you ore release a being you can always release later... He underestimated Drax importance and abilities as simple as that.

Yes he did found out but had he found out without Moondragon, no he wouldn't, until it was to late to act. Hence Deceived which was my point. One could draw a redline between Thanos in the hunger incident and Moondragon in the Annihilation, difference is that the circumstance was entirely different from each other.

Thanos spoke the truth correct but Thanos showed himself to be utter moron too by being deceived by a creature like Annihilus especially when one look at what Thanos intelligence has accomplished in comparison to Annihilus. And a bit elaboration on the above mentioning Thanos did not lose anything by following Moondragon warnings, Galactus stood at the edge of being free of his hunger for all eternity and a being which had craved universal domince had done nothing but hinter him. Please answer my question this time: What reasons did Galactus have to Trust Thanos?

Which is rather fortunate when one take into account the state of which Thanos was when he tried to hang with Galactus, also as for Character statements and Thanos knowing what he is talking about etc, Thanos himself has stated that his powers are lilliputian, and you mentioning the IG speaks for itself about which powers Thanos has to gets his hands on if he wishes to survive Galactus Wrath. The only realistic option he had...

That's funny because you called Galactus a idiot because Hunger deceived him, but now suddenly all can be deceived.. And there is a great difference between being a skillfull manipulator (which I agree totally that Thanos is) and being intelligent, and again when has Thanos showed intelligence skills that Galactus has never showed... Please I'm interested.

He arranged to Galactus to be released and then Annihilus was weakened for Nova to take him on... One could just as easily argue based on what you previous has said that Thanos should gain the credit for Novas victory over Annihilus as well. Yet he required Tenebrous and Aegis to Capture Galactus and again Thanos toke advantage of that Tenebrous and Aegis was already on there way to have a little chat with Galactus, with ore without Thanos interruption, if Thanos hadn't talked with Tenebrous and Aegis about him having the ideas for Galactus they would most likely have locked Galactus away within the Kyln a fitting punishment for what he did to them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We both know he wasnt more powerful than the real one and doesnt have the feats for someone to reach that conclusion.

Show me proof where it states the clone wasn't as powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh brother. A clone almost did it. When Thanos puts his mind to it asgard is small potatoes. He gets the ig and takes on the whole universe not lowly asgard. My point is a clone almost took it over, a Thanos experiment almost did it.

😆 So are you claiming that Thanos can prep to take over Asgard anytime he wants, but he can't prep to defeat Tyrant?

Originally posted by quanchi112
All great leaders have other people do their dirty work. You think the should all go about doing every menial task. Nah be realistic.

I agree but don't act like he was giving someone a simple task to do that he could do himself, because we both know that's not the case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again this proves that even a Thanos clone can take on all of asgard with prep and when thats his goal. Good thing he came to asgard to jus help Thor and not take it over.

But the clone didn't take out Asgard. He was killed.

So are you suggesting that Thanos could prep to take out Asgard but couldn't prep to beat Tyrant?

Originally posted by Utrigita
And he didn't show anything that would place him at a hungry Galactus level, he was defeated by a 4 heroes that galactus could erase in a instant 😬 Character statements simply isn't enough, especially when the Character shows that it's pretty much hyperbole.

Again a unknown factor, that Thanos didn't take into account, and let me see most important defeat a being enginered to defeat you ore release a being you can always release later... He underestimated Drax importance and abilities as simple as that.

Yes he did found out but had he found out without Moondragon, no he wouldn't, until it was to late to act. Hence Deceived which was my point. One could draw a redline between Thanos in the hunger incident and Moondragon in the Annihilation, difference is that the circumstance was entirely different from each other.

Thanos spoke the truth correct but Thanos showed himself to be utter moron too by being deceived by a creature like Annihilus especially when one look at what Thanos intelligence has accomplished in comparison to Annihilus. And a bit elaboration on the above mentioning Thanos did not lose anything by following Moondragon warnings, Galactus stood at the edge of being free of his hunger for all eternity and a being which had craved universal domince had done nothing but hinter him. Please answer my question this time: What reasons did Galactus have to Trust Thanos?

Which is rather fortunate when one take into account the state of which Thanos was when he tried to hang with Galactus, also as for Character statements and Thanos knowing what he is talking about etc, Thanos himself has stated that his powers are lilliputian, and you mentioning the IG speaks for itself about which powers Thanos has to gets his hands on if he wishes to survive Galactus Wrath. The only realistic option he had...

That's funny because you called Galactus a idiot because Hunger deceived him, but now suddenly all can be deceived.. And there is a great difference between being a skillfull manipulator (which I agree totally that Thanos is) and being intelligent, and again when has Thanos showed intelligence skills that Galactus has never showed... Please I'm interested.

He arranged to Galactus to be released and then Annihilus was weakened for Nova to take him on... One could just as easily argue based on what you previous has said that Thanos should gain the credit for Novas victory over Annihilus as well. Yet he required Tenebrous and Aegis to Capture Galactus and again Thanos toke advantage of that Tenebrous and Aegis was already on there way to have a little chat with Galactus, with ore without Thanos interruption, if Thanos hadn't talked with Tenebrous and Aegis about him having the ideas for Galactus they would most likely have locked Galactus away within the Kyln a fitting punishment for what he did to them.

Thanos created the character. His creator said this. he creates clones and knows what they are capable of. He knew these bunch were nihilistic and knew which ones contained which power and what not. Its a fact.

Galactus was defeated by the ff4 before and punched by the Thing. 😂 Its funny how you fail to realize this force had an armada along with Strane,Genis'vell,Warlock and the soul gem. They were packing some heat. They separated Omega from his ship and then defeated him. Omega wasnt that bright you see just powerful.

Drax's abilities changed after thirty some years. How would Thanos know about these significant changes as he had his back turned and just met up with him? Should he have sensed it?

Thanos found out because he didnt trust Annihilus and the event never happened like it did when the Hunger came through. The event had to happen for Galactus to get a clue.

Annihilus didnt win and didnt achieve his goal. Thanos could have fixed it. It was fixed anyways. He found it out to and didnt disagree with Moondragon.

Thanos isnt as powerful as Galactus everyone knows this but if he wants to dwarf Galactus' power and if thats his goal he accomplishes it. Thank goodness he doesnt crave ultimate power anymore.

Here is the difference friend. Thanos was deceived but found out by himself. He figured Annihilus wasnt one to be trusted so used Moondragon to read his mind. Galactus was told by Thanos what was going to happen if he used it to eliminate his hunger. He did it anyways. The event had to happen. For Thanos he took steps himself. Galactus was a dope and even when someone else being Thanos was telling him what would happen he ignored him and released Hunger. What an idiot.

Again Thanos used what was available to him at the time. He used T and A to accomplish his goals. If they werent there he would have found another way.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Show me proof where it states the clone wasn't as powerful.

😆 So are you claiming that Thanos can prep to take over Asgard anytime he wants, but he can't prep to defeat Tyrant?

I agree but don't act like he was giving someone a simple task to do that he could do himself, because we both know that's not the case.

But the clone didn't take out Asgard. He was killed.

So are you suggesting that Thanos could prep to take out Asgard but couldn't prep to beat Tyrant?

Feats and common sense. He created low models and higher ones but it was never stated he could make them more powerful than himself unless he had Galactus dna. Feats are also in Thanos' favor.

I am claiming a Thanos clone can almost take over asgard with prep. The real Thanos wouldnt waste his time it seems. If he amped himself up he could easily defeat Tyrant as well. He wanted to prove himself by challenging Tyrant. He picked Tyrant because he is so damn powerful.

The clone didnt take out asgard Thor saved the day but Odin couldnt have because he was on the sidelines.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its an uncommon factor. Obviously it was powerful enough for Thanos to use as a weapon. If it was crap Thanos wouldnt have taken it and used it as a weapon. Common sense tells me this much.

He took it because he thought it was the orb that stored Tyrant's power. He was only partially correct, because Tyrant had lots more orbs like it. So, obviously the orb didn't contain as much energy as Thanos thought it did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Each writer and artist has different interpretations of each and every character. Tyrant destroyed his clothes in less strikes and is less time. His condition wasnt explained so I go on artist renditions.

So you're claiming that 2 of Tyrant's blasts were more powerful than what Odin did in the entire fight? 😆

If it's open to interpretation of the writer and artist, why are you comparing the condition of their clothing in two different battles when they were written by two different writers and two different artists?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was explained in the story. He absorbed his bse. 😐

And only this story. He never had the ability before this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok so in the meantime while he is dead what happens to the heralds since there is no Galactus to draw power from?

Don't know. If he can reform himself, then he obviously still exists in some manner.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again heralds dont feed on planets to get their energy from that.

But they emit the same energy that Galactus does. Galactus doesn't emit bse. He emits Power Cosmic.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
He took it because he thought it was the orb that stored Tyrant's power. He was only partially correct, because Tyrant had lots more orbs like it. So, obviously the orb didn't contain as much energy as Thanos thought it did.

So you're claiming that 2 of Tyrant's blasts were more powerful than what Odin did in the entire fight? 😆

If it's open to interpretation of the writer and artist, why are you comparing the condition of their clothing in two different battles when they were written by two different writers and two different artists?

And only this story. He never had the ability before this.

Don't know. If he can reform himself, then he obviously still exists in some manner.

But they emit the same energy that Galactus does. Galactus doesn't emit bse. He emits Power Cosmic.

You think Thanos believed it was all of Tyrant's power in this one orb. 😂

Tyrant had Thanos looking worse. Both artist renditions wit the clothes sums it up to me. His condition wasnt explained in either story. One artist had his clothes destroyed while the other had them singed. See the difference?

Ok this is the Tyrant Galactus fight so what other story should it have been on since we havent seen a fight on panel happen in the present time.

Speculation. So you think you cant totally destroy Galactus? Are you serious? What allows Abraxas entry into the universe?

Again he emits bse as he did in this story. Its canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats and common sense. He created low models and higher ones but it was never stated he could make them more powerful than himself unless he had Galactus dna. Feats are also in Thanos' favor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am claiming a Thanos clone can almost take over asgard with prep. The real Thanos wouldnt waste his time it seems. If he amped himself up he could easily defeat Tyrant as well. He wanted to prove himself by challenging Tyrant. He picked Tyrant because he is so damn powerful.

So if you admit that Thanos could easily defeat Tyrant with prep as well, what's the point of even bringing up Thanos beating Odin with prep?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The clone didnt take out asgard Thor saved the day but Odin couldnt have because he was on the sidelines.

Odin couldn't because Tarakis poisoned him when he was already weakened. Plus, he had help in taking on Asgard. He didn't do it alone.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So if you admit that Thanos could easily defeat Tyrant with prep as well, what's the point of even bringing up Thanos beating Odin with prep?

Odin couldn't because Tarakis poisoned him when he was already weakened. Plus, he had help in taking on Asgard. He didn't do it alone.

I said Thanos would have to amp himself. He wouldnt and couldnt just easily take him out some some poison like some clone did. 😉

Thanos rallied some powerful characters to take on Tyrant as well and didnt do it alone. 😛

Originally posted by quanchi112
You think Thanos believed it was all of Tyrant's power in this one orb. 😂

Does Thanos give any indication that he is aware of the other orbs?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant had Thanos looking worse. Both artist renditions wit the clothes sums it up to me. His condition wasnt explained in either story. One artist had his clothes destroyed while the other had them singed. See the difference?

I see the difference, but one artist had him struggling him to get up while the other didn't. See that difference? That shows Thanos was more injured in the Odin fight than in the Tyrant one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok this is the Tyrant Galactus fight so what other story should it have been on since we havent seen a fight on panel happen in the present time.

Maybe in the first fight when Galactus first depowered him. If Tyrant could absorb his energy when he was depowered, then a full powered Tyrant who could absorb his energy would have destroyed Galactus no problem. Or how about in their standoff? Tyrant never once used his ability to absorb Galactus' power as a threat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. So you think you cant totally destroy Galactus? Are you serious? What allows Abraxas entry into the universe?

Don't take it up with me. Take it up with the writers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again he emits bse as he did in this story. Its canon.

So if his Power Cosmic is bse, then so is the heralds Power Cosmic, since it is part of Galactus' power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said Thanos would have to amp himself. He wouldnt and couldnt just easily take him out some some poison like some clone did. 😉

And he didn't easily take Odin out with poison. He had someone else do it to a weakened Odin since he couldn't do it himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos rallied some powerful characters to take on Tyrant as well and didnt do it alone. 😛

And none of those characters were as powerful as Mangog.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Does Thanos give any indication that he is aware of the other orbs?

I see the difference, but one artist had him struggling him to get up while the other didn't. See that difference? That shows Thanos was more injured in the Odin fight than in the Tyrant one.

Maybe in the first fight when Galactus first depowered him. If Tyrant could absorb his energy when he was depowered, then a full powered Tyrant who could absorb his energy would have destroyed Galactus no problem. Or how about in their standoff? Tyrant never once used his ability to absorb Galactus' power as a threat.

Don't take it up with me. Take it up with the writers.

So if his Power Cosmic is bse, then so is the heralds Power Cosmic, since it is part of Galactus' power.

Does Thanos ever say he thinks all of Tyrants power is in the orb?

No it doesnt. If he failed to get up i see your point but he did get up.

We dont know if Tyrants abilities changed or what exactly happened in the first fight. We know what happened in the second fight.

Again its canon so lets quit arguing why you think it sucks.

His heralds dont absorb planets but Galactus does tha is the difference. We keep going in circles.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
And he didn't easily take Odin out with poison. He had someone else do it to a weakened Odin since he couldn't do it himself.

And none of those characters were as powerful as Mangog.

Point is Odin was taken out.

This clone wasnt as powerful as the real Thanos. Mangog didnt do a thing to take out Odin. Thor beat him but he also beat the Thanos clone so if Thor wasnt there asgard would have been the clones to do with as he wished.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Does Thanos ever say he thinks all of Tyrants power is in the orb?

Does he ever state why he even wants the orb?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No it doesnt. If he failed to get up i see your point but he did get up.

And he struggled to do it, which means he had a harder time getting up. He had an easier time breaking through the ground to stand up against Tyrant than he did just standing up against Odin. Plus, the Thanos clone with Thanos' memory of the fight admitted Odin beat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know if Tyrants abilities changed or what exactly happened in the first fight. We know what happened in the second fight.

We know that Galactus' blasts did damage to Tyrant, and we know Tyrant was depowered with Galactus' eye blasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again its canon so lets quit arguing why you think it sucks.

So is Black Panther putting SS in an armbar he can't get out of. It doesn't mean it isn't PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His heralds dont absorb planets but Galactus does tha is the difference. We keep going in circles.

Yes, we do because you want to pick and choose when it's called bse and when it's not. You want to claim that bse and the Power Cosmic are the same when it comes to Galactus, but you don't want to claim they are the same when it comes to their heralds. You can't have it both ways just because it doesn't fit into your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is Odin was taken out.

How he was taken out makes a difference since you are trying to claim it was the clone Thanos that did it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This clone wasnt as powerful as the real Thanos. Mangog didnt do a thing to take out Odin. Thor beat him but he also beat the Thanos clone so if Thor wasnt there asgard would have been the clones to do with as he wished.

Thanos didn't do a thing to take out Odin, either. It was Tarakis that did it to a weakened Odin. The only reason Thanos was able to do what he did to the rest of Asgard was because he had Mangog's help.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos created the character. His creator said this. he creates clones and knows what they are capable of. He knew these bunch were nihilistic and knew which ones contained which power and what not. Its a fact.

Galactus was defeated by the ff4 before and punched by the Thing. 😂 Its funny how you fail to realize this force had an armada along with Strane,Genis'vell,Warlock and the soul gem. They were packing some heat. They separated Omega from his ship and then defeated him. Omega wasnt that bright you see just powerful.

Drax's abilities changed after thirty some years. How would Thanos know about these significant changes as he had his back turned and just met up with him? Should he have sensed it?

Thanos found out because he didnt trust Annihilus and the event never happened like it did when the Hunger came through. The event had to happen for Galactus to get a clue.

Annihilus didnt win and didnt achieve his goal. Thanos could have fixed it. It was fixed anyways. He found it out to and didnt disagree with Moondragon.

Thanos isnt as powerful as Galactus everyone knows this but if he wants to dwarf Galactus' power and if thats his goal he accomplishes it. Thank goodness he doesnt crave ultimate power anymore.

Here is the difference friend. Thanos was deceived but found out by himself. He figured Annihilus wasnt one to be trusted so used Moondragon to read his mind. Galactus was told by Thanos what was going to happen if he used it to eliminate his hunger. He did it anyways. The event had to happen. For Thanos he took steps himself. Galactus was a dope and even when someone else being Thanos was telling him what would happen he ignored him and released Hunger. What an idiot.

Again Thanos used what was available to him at the time. He used T and A to accomplish his goals. If they werent there he would have found another way.

It's a fact that the other clones can justify there powers that Omega cannot when compared to what Galactus has shown, even though Omega has just had one showing the Writer could still have given him the feats that would place it beyond Galactus yet he failed in showing that level of power I will happily do the math yet again 1 hungry Galactus << Fullpowered Omega (eated three planets).

Galactus has been defeated by the FF thanks to plot devices and I really expected better then pulling out the thing punch what about the spiderman web? As for the armade it arrived later, and please don't tell me that you serious think that Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Adam Warlock, Spiderman and Thanos would survive against a hungry Galactus, much less injure him. Also The armada triggered the explosion on the planet Galactus survived while weakened survived a direct collision between two Planets packed with Bombs, even the simplest math here places Galactus durability far above Omega, Omega worked to get past one of Thanos forcefields, Galactus blasted his way through all Thanos forcefields. Even that one showing in that comic places Galactus far above Omega. He wasn't to bright agree but a amalgam between Thanos and Galactus should be far from stupid, which he was.

He sendt Moondragons ear to Drax, Thanos simply failed to accept Drax as a threat, furthermore he should have sensed Someone breaking through his forcefield...

Yet he required Moondragon and yet again Moondragons taunting and Thanos reaction clearly showed that, what Annihilus was planning was far beyond what Thanos had taking into account concerning Annihilus. Again different circumstances Hunger: Galactus working to rid himself of his hunger Thanos works against him. Annihilation: Thanos tries to release Galactus but has no direct enemy except Drax that he didn't take into account, hence his statement about planning for every possible outcome seems a bit hollow.

Correct, he didn't archive his Goal of destroying the universe (which we to some degree can thank Thanos for) his defeat however we can thank Nova for, Thanos could have fixed it but failed in doing it, because he got careless and arrogant not seeing Drax as a threat, which was a mistake which he paid the ultimate price for. Because he had nothing to lose by trusting her, Galactus had all to lose by trusting Thanos see the difference?

If he wants, like drawing them out of thin air like you stated earlier he couldn't, Thanos only hope of surpassing Galactus is getting his hand on a Artifacts and Artifacts in the 616 that surpasses Galactus isn't laying on the doorstep. Thanks goodness Galactus doesn't Either, seeing how easily he gathered the gems.

He didn't find out by himself, he found out because Moondragon was useable to him, else he would have had no clue about it. And Thanos figured out Annihilus wasn't to be trusted just like Galactus didn't trust Thanos, on that guidelines you are laying out here you have no reason to call Galactus a Idiot, and again very different situations, Galactus stood to ride himself of his hunger that had plauged him for eons, Thanos didn't trust a allied, but had no idea of Annihilus intentions.

He was going to fetch the Maker because he thought she could accomplishe the goal for him because he knew that he couldn't accomplishe it himself, and again Tenebrous and Aegis was seeking Galactus out regardless of Thanos plans, Thanos gained a advantage by that but the credit for that defeat shouldn't go to Thanos since he didn't plan ore did anything else simply but simply receive Galactus.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Does he ever state why he even wants the orb?

And he struggled to do it, which means he had a harder time getting up. He had an easier time breaking through the ground to stand up against Tyrant than he did just standing up against Odin. Plus, the Thanos clone with Thanos' memory of the fight admitted Odin beat him.

We know that Galactus' blasts did damage to Tyrant, and we know Tyrant was depowered with Galactus' eye blasts.

So is Black Panther putting SS in an armbar he can't get out of. It doesn't mean it isn't PIS.

Yes, we do because you want to pick and choose when it's called bse and when it's not. You want to claim that bse and the Power Cosmic are the same when it comes to Galactus, but you don't want to claim they are the same when it comes to their heralds. You can't have it both ways just because it doesn't fit into your opinion.

The point is Thanos never thought it contained all his power.

Again Odin blasted him more times while I disagree that he was more damaged in the Odin fight.

I saw the fight and admitted Odin was winning but he didnt win so why would I take a clones words over what I saw myself on panel.

We dont know if Tyrant's powers had changed since their first fight.

Black Panther and the Firelord incident are pis while the Tyrant story isnt. It explained his powers in this very story while these other two stories were indeed horrible writing.