Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
How he was taken out makes a difference since you are trying to claim it was the clone Thanos that did it.

Thanos didn't do a thing to take out Odin, either. It was Tarakis that did it to a weakened Odin. The only reason Thanos was able to do what he did to the rest of Asgard was because he had Mangog's help.

Yes the Thanos clone used Mangog and others to accomplish his goals. The real Thanos has used the controller,etc. to carry out his tasks before.

Odin at his best , years gone by...ftw.... ✅

'depowered' Tyrant ftw against most recent Odin.... 😱

Originally posted by Utrigita
It's a fact that the other clones can justify there powers that Omega cannot when compared to what Galactus has shown, even though Omega has just had one showing the Writer could still have given him the feats that would place it beyond Galactus yet he failed in showing that level of power I will happily do the math yet again 1 hungry Galactus << Fullpowered Omega (eated three planets).

Galactus has been defeated by the FF thanks to plot devices and I really expected better then pulling out the thing punch what about the spiderman web? As for the armade it arrived later, and please don't tell me that you serious think that Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Adam Warlock, Spiderman and Thanos would survive against a hungry Galactus, much less injure him. Also The armada triggered the explosion on the planet Galactus survived while weakened survived a direct collision between two Planets packed with Bombs, even the simplest math here places Galactus durability far above Omega, Omega worked to get past one of Thanos forcefields, Galactus blasted his way through all Thanos forcefields. Even that one showing in that comic places Galactus far above Omega. He wasn't to bright agree but a amalgam between Thanos and Galactus should be far from stupid, which he was.

He sendt Moondragons ear to Drax, Thanos simply failed to accept Drax as a threat, furthermore he should have sensed Someone breaking through his forcefield...

Yet he required Moondragon and yet again Moondragons taunting and Thanos reaction clearly showed that, what Annihilus was planning was far beyond what Thanos had taking into account concerning Annihilus. Again different circumstances Hunger: Galactus working to rid himself of his hunger Thanos works against him. Annihilation: Thanos tries to release Galactus but has no direct enemy except Drax that he didn't take into account, hence his statement about planning for every possible outcome seems a bit hollow.

Correct, he didn't archive his Goal of destroying the universe (which we to some degree can thank Thanos for) his defeat however we can thank Nova for, Thanos could have fixed it but failed in doing it, because he got careless and arrogant not seeing Drax as a threat, which was a mistake which he paid the ultimate price for. Because he had nothing to lose by trusting her, Galactus had all to lose by trusting Thanos see the difference?

If he wants, like drawing them out of thin air like you stated earlier he couldn't, Thanos only hope of surpassing Galactus is getting his hand on a Artifacts and Artifacts in the 616 that surpasses Galactus isn't laying on the doorstep. Thanks goodness Galactus doesn't Either, seeing how easily he gathered the gems.

He didn't find out by himself, he found out because Moondragon was useable to him, else he would have had no clue about it. And Thanos figured out Annihilus wasn't to be trusted just like Galactus didn't trust Thanos, on that guidelines you are laying out here you have no reason to call Galactus a Idiot, and again very different situations, Galactus stood to ride himself of his hunger that had plauged him for eons, Thanos didn't trust a allied, but had no idea of Annihilus intentions.

He was going to fetch the Maker because he thought she could accomplishe the goal for him because he knew that he couldn't accomplishe it himself, and again Tenebrous and Aegis was seeking Galactus out regardless of Thanos plans, Thanos gained a advantage by that but the credit for that defeat shouldn't go to Thanos since he didn't plan ore did anything else simply but simply receive Galactus.

You dont think that Omega lost to a plot device here as well? There were more powerful characters involved as well and Spidermans webbing just covered his eyes is all. With all the events that took place I think they could definitely defeat a hungry Galactus. A Thanos explosion before greatly weakened Galactus in the Hunger incident. Imagine if he had all this uber help.

Thanos,Warlock(soul gem),Captain Marvel,Dr Strange,armada>>>>>>>>FF 4 and Silver Surfer.

Thanos didnt react in time but he wasnt preparing to battle him at the moment and had his back turned. Since noone ever went through his forcefields and killed him this quickly before I see no reason as to how or why he should have prepped for this. Drax had changed and was a special case scenario and he caught Thanos at the perfect time when he was busy trying to do something else entirely.

Thanos figured out what he was up to and all that had to be done to destroy these plans was to simply release Galactus. Thats it.

Again Moondragon failed in keeping Drax busy and I already explained the rest.

Again Thanos was correct and Galactus almost sealed 616 universe to doom by releasing the hunger.

Thanos figures things out on his own and doesnt ignore key information due to ignorance. Annihilus plans again were easily destroyed simply by allowing Galactus to escape his confines.

Simple really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Thanos never thought it contained all his power.

But he didn't know how much power was in it, so you can't assume that it must have been powerful for him to go after it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Odin blasted him more times while I disagree that he was more damaged in the Odin fight.

It's ok to disagree, but making the claim that he was more damaged because of his clothes is foolish.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I saw the fight and admitted Odin was winning but he didnt win so why would I take a clones words over what I saw myself on panel.

Because the clone was created in Thanos' image with his personality and memories, and he believed Thanos lost the fight. Thanos also didn't disagree with Tyrant about killing him if their fight continued. You never saw that, but you believed it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know if Tyrant's powers had changed since their first fight.

But we know he didn't have that power during the first fight, and it was never explained how he got that power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Panther and the Firelord incident are pis while the Tyrant story isnt. It explained his powers in this very story while these other two stories were indeed horrible writing.

Why? Because you don't want it to be because Tyrant is one of your favorite characters? Doesn't work that way. Tyrant didn't have the ability to absorb bse before this story, and it was given to him with no explanation for the specific reason to absorb Galactus' energy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All I am saying is that Odin got taken out when the clone wanted him taken out.

Moondragon could have telepathically convinced Tarakis to do the same thing. Does that mean she has the ability to take out Odin at will also?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes the Thanos clone used Mangog and others to accomplish his goals. The real Thanos has used the controller,etc. to carry out his tasks before.

Which means what? That if Thanos wishes to invade Asgard, he needs help.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But he didn't know how much power was in it, so you can't assume that it must have been powerful for him to go after it.

It's ok to disagree, but making the claim that he was more damaged because of his clothes is foolish.

Because the clone was created in Thanos' image with his personality and memories, and he believed Thanos lost the fight. Thanos also didn't disagree with Tyrant about killing him if their fight continued. You never saw that, but you believed it.

But we know he didn't have that power during the first fight, and it was never explained how he got that power.

Why? Because you don't want it to be because Tyrant is one of your favorite characters? Doesn't work that way. Tyrant didn't have the ability to absorb bse before this story, and it was given to him with no explanation for the specific reason to absorb Galactus' energy.

I disagree entirely.

Thanos was losing but hadnt lost thats what I saw.

Thanos didnt object like he did with Odin when he said he would prevail. Thanos knew he was outmatched against Tyrant and Tyrant proved it when he asked him to.

Point is he has that power. Who cares when he got it its a part of his powerset.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Moondragon could have telepathically convinced Tarakis to do the same thing. Does that mean she has the ability to take out Odin at will also?

Which means what? That if Thanos wishes to invade Asgard, he needs help.

Asgard isnt one beings its a race of badasses. If he wanted to invade it and he didnt have the ig or something hed have allies and an excellent plan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He knew it was of significance is my point. It wouldnt have done jack to Tyrant if it was a piece of crap.

But it didn't have to be anymore powerful than Ganymede to hurt him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree entirely.

Of course you do, yet you have nothing to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was losing but hadnt lost thats what I saw.

Thanos didnt object like he did with Odin when he said he would prevail. Thanos knew he was outmatched against Tyrant and Tyrant proved it when he asked him to.

He knew he was outmatched against Odin also. He was just too stubborn to give up because his goal hadn't been accomplished. Like his clone said, Thanos knew he was beaten.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is he has that power. Who cares when he got it its a part of his powerset.

Because if he got it specifically for this story and Galactus' power was now mysteriously referred to as bse to coincide with it, then it's PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We know a Thanos clone can set it up but we dont know about Moondragon. Speculation.

My point is all anyone has to do is manipulate Tarakis to give him the poison, and considering how weak Tarakis was, it wouldn't be too hard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Asgard isnt one beings its a race of badasses. If he wanted to invade it and he didnt have the ig or something hed have allies and an excellent plan.

He did have a plan. It failed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok maybe the writer failed to give him impressive enough feats but the point was he was stated as being more powerful and it was a fact.

You dont think that Omega lost to a plot device here as well? There were more powerful characters involved as well and Spidermans webbing just covered his eyes is all. With all the events that took place I think they could definitely defeat a hungry Galactus. A Thanos explosion before greatly weakened Galactus in the Hunger incident. Imagine if he had all this uber help.

Thanos,Warlock(soul gem),Captain Marvel,Dr Strange,armada>>>>>>>>FF 4 and Silver Surfer.

Thanos didnt react in time but he wasnt preparing to battle him at the moment and had his back turned. Since noone ever went through his forcefields and killed him this quickly before I see no reason as to how or why he should have prepped for this. Drax had changed and was a special case scenario and he caught Thanos at the perfect time when he was busy trying to do something else entirely.

Thanos figured out what he was up to and all that had to be done to destroy these plans was to simply release Galactus. Thats it.

Again Moondragon failed in keeping Drax busy and I already explained the rest.

Again Thanos was correct and Galactus almost sealed 616 universe to doom by releasing the hunger.

Thanos figures things out on his own and doesnt ignore key information due to ignorance. Annihilus plans again were easily destroyed simply by allowing Galactus to escape his confines.

Simple really.

So I can take the statement giving about Hulk rivalling the Celestials and use it as a fact even when it fails to bear weight at all?

No He didn't, Omega was as you mentioned before a limited being, only capable of using his basic senses not a Plot Device, as when the FF which is far below Galactus tricks Galactus ore gets outside help (Watcher helps torch with the Nullifier) that's a Plot Device, that Galactus at times chooses to set up his Conventer is a Plot Device, The Omega showing can hardly be called a Plot Device. Should I mention again what Galactus did in the Comic where he was starving? immobilized the SS with a thought and could have killed him, later fights against: The starjammers, Gladiator, Avengers, FF and the entire Shi'ar Empire and they couldn't defeat him. Again Galactus just forgot he could teleport which he had done a moment earlier when he arrived and Blasted Thanos into submission. Also he Toke the Blast already weakened was furthere weakened in his battle with Hunger and was more weakened yet wasn't on the level of hunger he was when he fought the earlier mentioned teams.

The Starjammers Gladiator, Avengers, FF and the entire Shi'ar Space Fleet against a Starving Galactus and they was losing until Surfer turned Galactus own ship against him... Please don't try to even think the team can take out Galactus...

Again he sendt Moondragons freaking ear to Drax and didn't expect Drax to come? That can only be seen as extremely bad planning on Thanos part. You see no reason to why he should be alarmed when someone then breaks through his forcefield Thanos was arrogant yet again believing himself to be safe from harm even though his forcefield was down. It doesn't change the fact that Thanos knowingly sendt Moondragons ear to Drax as either a warning ore bait and entirely failed to take account for him in his great plan.

Again had Moondragon not showed Thanos Annihilus plans, Annihilus would have purged the life from the negative zone and the 616 reality.

He entirely ignored Annihilus plans until Moondragon made him realise that something was wrong and again Thanos lost nothing by listening to Moondragon, Galactus stood to lose all by listing to Thanos. Yes they was just as easy as Galactus plans could have been destroyed if Thanos hadn't worked against Galactus through the entire act, Galactus would have heard what Thanos had to say, but Thanos never told Galactus why he wanted to stop him until he had no choice to save his own life, a high showing of arrogance and underestimating from Thanos side.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But it didn't have to be anymore powerful than Ganymede to hurt him.

Of course you do, yet you have nothing to prove otherwise.

He knew he was outmatched against Odin also. He was just too stubborn to give up because his goal hadn't been accomplished. Like his clone said, Thanos knew he was beaten.

Because if he got it specifically for this story and Galactus' power was now mysteriously referred to as bse to coincide with it, then it's PIS.

The same can be said of you as well.

Nah Thanos was losing but hadnt lost yet as the fight clearly shows. I will never take a clones interpretation of a fight that we saw on pnael from start to its conclusion.

His powerset isnt pis. Its canon and hasnt changed.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
My point is all anyone has to do is manipulate Tarakis to give him the poison, and considering how weak Tarakis was, it wouldn't be too hard.

He did have a plan. It failed.

The real Thanos never had a plan to besiege asgard his clone did and it almost worked.

Dont you realize that the villain can never win in the end. Its only temporary.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So I can take the statement giving about Hulk rivalling the Celestials and use it as a fact even when it fails to bear weight at all?

No He didn't, Omega was as you mentioned before a limited being, only capable of using his basic senses not a Plot Device, as when the FF which is far below Galactus tricks Galactus ore gets outside help (Watcher helps torch with the Nullifier) that's a Plot Device, that Galactus at times chooses to set up his Conventer is a Plot Device, The Omega showing can hardly be called a Plot Device. Should I mention again what Galactus did in the Comic where he was starving? immobilized the SS with a thought and could have killed him, later fights against: The starjammers, Gladiator, Avengers, FF and the entire Shi'ar Empire and they couldn't defeat him. Again Galactus just forgot he could teleport which he had done a moment earlier when he arrived and Blasted Thanos into submission. Also he Toke the Blast already weakened was furthere weakened in his battle with Hunger and was more weakened yet wasn't on the level of hunger he was when he fought the earlier mentioned teams.

The Starjammers Gladiator, Avengers, FF and the entire Shi'ar Space Fleet against a Starving Galactus and they was losing until Surfer turned Galactus own ship against him... Please don't try to even think the team can take out Galactus...

Again he sendt Moondragons freaking ear to Drax and didn't expect Drax to come? That can only be seen as extremely bad planning on Thanos part. You see no reason to why he should be alarmed when someone then breaks through his forcefield Thanos was arrogant yet again believing himself to be safe from harm even though his forcefield was down. It doesn't change the fact that Thanos knowingly sendt Moondragons ear to Drax as either a warning ore bait and entirely failed to take account for him in his great plan.

Again had Moondragon not showed Thanos Annihilus plans, Annihilus would have purged the life from the negative zone and the 616 reality.

He entirely ignored Annihilus plans until Moondragon made him realise that something was wrong and again Thanos lost nothing by listening to Moondragon, Galactus stood to lose all by listing to Thanos. Yes they was just as easy as Galactus plans could have been destroyed if Thanos hadn't worked against Galactus through the entire act, Galactus would have heard what Thanos had to say, but Thanos never told Galactus why he wanted to stop him until he had no choice to save his own life, a high showing of arrogance and underestimating from Thanos side.

The team that was assembled to take out Omega did so because they separated him from his ship and then had the opportunity to defeat him.

Again Thanos initiated Moondragon to find out what Annihilus was up to. He did it on his own. Geez. Galactus released the Hunger after being forewarned.

Again no other being had went thru his forceshield before and killed him in that way. He has fought badasses like Odin and Tyrant and they couldnt accomplish this. He also hadnt been pricy to the fact that Drax's powers had changed.

I dont care if Galactus stood to lose all he was wrong and was forewarned. Thanos was right and Galactus made a critical error in which Thanos had to rectify.

Again had Thanos not let Moondragon show Thanos what was in Annihilus' mind then Galactus wouldnt have been freed that day. That didnt happen though and its all speculation if we take a certain event and try to guess what would have happened in this situation.

Galactus makes the Silver Surfer and stats him to be twice Thanos and Thanos then time and time again manhandles surfer on panel, what level of weight does Galactus words then have concerning his own creation? I is blaming the Writer if you haven't noticed both for making a Character that lacks the feat to have the powerlevel of two times Galactus and Thanos for stating a bunch of Hyperbole concerning Omega.

Not really a Plot Device since we already know Omega was work in progress not fully developed like the other clones he was still a limited being with a fairly low level of Intelligence as Thanos himself stated, that was what gave them the chance of winning, Omegas stupidity that was a result of Thanos leaving Omega before he was complete.

Seperate Galactus from his ship and he wouldn't be limited in any sharp ore form...

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/?action=view&current=thanosflayarm.jpg

Sorry what that Thanos toke the initiave certainly doesn't look that way. Perhaps the scan before is better... And again without Moondragon he would have been just as clueless as Galactus was and yet again big difference between the two scenarios, what is so difficult to understand about those two scenarios and there difference?

Sorry no other being has went through his forcefield? Galactus and Odin. Again a uncalculated mistake on Thanos part, he knows Drax is reborn but doesn't examine in detail if Drax has changed which he know Drax can.

So you don't care about the underlaying movements for a characters actions you don't care about the difference that Moondragon and Thanos both played when they both had the chance to turn around the situation? Then Quanchi you are debating a wrong topic, because the difference between those two things and you attempt to justify Thanos higher level of intelligence based on that incident is wrong.

No and the 616 reality and the negative zone would have went boom thanks to Thanos. Sorry what didn't happen, Thanos working against Galactus through the entire hunger incident?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus makes the Silver Surfer and stats him to be twice Thanos and Thanos then time and time again manhandles surfer on panel, what level of weight does Galactus words then have concerning his own creation? I is blaming the Writer if you haven't noticed both for making a Character that lacks the feat to have the powerlevel of two times Galactus and Thanos for stating a bunch of Hyperbole concerning Omega.

Not really a Plot Device since we already know Omega was work in progress not fully developed like the other clones he was still a limited being with a fairly low level of Intelligence as Thanos himself stated, that was what gave them the chance of winning, Omegas stupidity that was a result of Thanos leaving Omega before he was complete.

Seperate Galactus from his ship and he wouldn't be limited in any sharp ore form...

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/?action=view&current=thanosflayarm.jpg

Sorry what that Thanos toke the initiave certainly doesn't look that way. Perhaps the scan before is better... And again without Moondragon he would have been just as clueless as Galactus was and yet again big difference between the two scenarios, what is so difficult to understand about those two scenarios and there difference?

Sorry no other being has went through his forcefield? Galactus and Odin. Again a uncalculated mistake on Thanos part, he knows Drax is reborn but doesn't examine in detail if Drax has changed which he know Drax can.

So you don't care about the underlaying movements for a characters actions you don't care about the difference that Moondragon and Thanos both played when they both had the chance to turn around the situation? Then Quanchi you are debating a wrong topic, because the difference between those two things and you attempt to justify Thanos higher level of intelligence based on that incident is wrong.

No and the 616 reality and the negative zone would have went boom thanks to Thanos. Sorry what didn't happen, Thanos working against Galactus through the entire hunger incident?

I never said separating Galactus would put him at a disadvantage at all. It worked on Omega which was a plot device. As you said he was an uncompleted clone pretty much. Thanos didnt work out all the kinks.

Nicely done with the scan it shows Thanos will investigate before he makes a decision very unlike Galactus and the Hunger. He reacted first and shit his pants later. Thanos wanted to find out what was in Annihilus' and found out for himself exactly what he had been planning. He wasnt an idiot like Galactus.

No other beings have torn his heart out and beat him in one shot. Not even Galactus friend who is a lot more powerful than Drax and who recently underwent a significant change since the last time they met.

Catch my drift.

The scan says it all Thanos found out more info before reaching a decision while Galactus didnt and screwed up bigtime. Thanos is a much smarter being that Galactus.

All Thanos had to do was release Galactus and even when he didnt someone else did. Annihilus' planes were beaten rather easily. Free Galactus and the universes dont go boom. 😛

Thanos cleaned up Galactus' mess with the Hunger as we both know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A bee can make me hurt but if I am not allergic it does no real damage at all. And I am Galactus size to the bee. See my point.

But the orb did no lasting damage to Tyrant, either, so it's no different from Ganymede hurting him. So your point fails.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same can be said of you as well.

I'm not trying to prove that Odin is more powerful than Tyrant. I'm just stating there's no proof that Tyrant is definitively more powerful than Odin like you claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah Thanos was losing but hadnt lost yet as the fight clearly shows. I will never take a clones interpretation of a fight that we saw on pnael from start to its conclusion.

Yet you are so willing to believe all of Thanos' statements, even though he was wrong when he stated Omega was twice as powerful as Galactus.

Oh well, your choice. What we do know is Thanos stood no chance in that fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His powerset isnt pis. Its canon and hasnt changed.

Um, yeah, it has changed. He didn't have the power before this story. If he did, he didn't demonstrate it and allowed himself to be depowered by Galactus in the first place. Somehow, I doubt it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is you are speculating. Thanos clone did it while no one else has tried this to beat Odin. Loki ring a bell? You cant just speculate and say its easy. It isnt easy to take out Odin for just anyone but it looked easy when he ran into a Thanos clone is my point.

How many other people had to opportunity the clone had? None of them. Odin was going to be given a potion he thought was going to give him strength because he was already weak. The clone just had Tarakis give him poison instead of healing him. But the clone needed a weak Odin for it to work.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The real Thanos never had a plan to besiege asgard his clone did and it almost worked.

Because Odin was weak to begin with. Saying that if the real Thanos wanted to take over Asgard he could is just as pointless as me saying if Odin wanted to kill Thanos at any time he wanted he could.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dont you realize that the villain can never win in the end. Its only temporary.

So then why are you claiming Thanos can take over Asgard if he's going to lose in the end? Pretty stupid if you ask me.

It would seem that They are even when it comes to facing top tiers. both can one shot the likes of surfer etc. Odin to me did better against Thanos than Tyrant did. but thanos had a power up.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It would seem that They are even when it comes to facing top tiers. both can one shot the likes of surfer etc. Odin to me did better against Thanos than Tyrant did. but thanos had a power up.

That's what I'm saying. Based on what we've seen from Tyrant, it's impossible to say for certain whether he is above or below Odin. The only thing we know for sure is he is around that level.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But the orb did no lasting damage to Tyrant, either, so it's no different from Ganymede hurting him. So your point fails.

I'm not trying to prove that Odin is more powerful than Tyrant. I'm just stating there's no proof that Tyrant is definitively more powerful than Odin like you claim.

Yet you are so willing to believe all of Thanos' statements, even though he was wrong when he stated Omega was twice as powerful as Galactus.

Oh well, your choice. What we do know is Thanos stood no chance in that fight.

Um, yeah, it has changed. He didn't have the power before this story. If he did, he didn't demonstrate it and allowed himself to be depowered by Galactus in the first place. Somehow, I doubt it.

Yes there is proof. There are no black marks on Tyrant,he beat up on Galactus, and he did better against Thanos with prep.

He wasnt wrong when he stated that. Thanos has never been wrong on a clone. He created them he knows. Prove he has been wrong when determining a clones power levels if not concede.

We dont know that. All we know for certain is Odin was winning at the point in which the fight stopped.

Again we didnt see his entire fight only bits and pieces of it. His powers never changed and if the did they are currently what they were against Galactus the second time. You know his size changed right since the first fight. So maybe his powers changed and maybe they didnt. Point is you must accept them.