Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, I know it is, because you are a Tyrant fanboy. You have not one solid shred of evidence to support that claim.

They weren't stated, but unless Thanos actually confronted them, which he did to several, then there's no way to find out for sure if they were all weaker, stronger, or the same power level as Thanos.

And you still have yet to answer my question as to how it's possible for Omega to be twice as powerful as Galactus using Galactus' DNA if Thanos, according to you, can't make a clone as powerful as himself using his own DNA.

I didn't say any of them were more powerful. I just said it's POSSIBLE that the clone that went to Asgard and the clone from the Celestial Quest could have been at or near Thanos' level.

Why even bring this up if you still think Tyrant did more damage to Thanos than Odin did?

He didn't beat him. He just held him in place.

If he had the power beforehand, then it makes absolutely no sense that he wouldn't have used it beforehand both during their first battle or during their standoff.

I have proof Omega was more powerful by his very creator while you have nothing. No surprise to me really at all though.

Again we have proof Thanos created a more powerful version of Galactus while you speculate over and over again. Until you have proof he created a more powerful cone if himself post it otherwise stop for your sake.

Speculation yet again. Prove it or concede. I always have proof while it seems you never do.

Because Tyrant did more damage with less attacks and such. Hurst Odins case immensely.

Whatever I didnt read that but it sounds completely full of bs. It is.

Who knows if Tyrant developed this power overtime or whatever. Point is he used it in the second fight and the whole first fight was never fully shown. Its his powerset accept it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is you cant just poison Tyrant but you ca to odin. Tyrant doesnt need to go into Tyrant sleep either to get his power up like Odin.

What's the point? That doesn't matter if they face each other at normal power levels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You think Thanos wouldnt have defeated Tyrant if he thought he could have? Are you serious?

Do you think if Thanos really wanted Tyrant beaten that he would have went against him one on one? No. He would have come up with a grand scheme to give himself every advantage like he normally does.

Remember, you yourself admitted that if Thanos wanted Tyrant out of the picture, he could just as easily take him out with prep as he could Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have been going over this with you now for ho wlong. You choose to whine and moan over what has happened on panel because it seems you are a Tyrant hater. You even cry over his powerset. Really get over it.

If you would bother to actually read my posts instead of just running your both, you would have already seen that I said I'm not a Tyrant hater. I actually like him MORE than Odin or Galactus. I'm just not someone like you who lets that favoritism blind them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have proof Omega was more powerful by his very creator while you have nothing. No surprise to me really at all though.

Again we have proof Thanos created a more powerful version of Galactus while you speculate over and over again. Until you have proof he created a more powerful cone if himself post it otherwise stop for your sake.

Speculation yet again. Prove it or concede. I always have proof while it seems you never do.

Yet you are still too afraid to answer my question, because you know you can't defend yourself.

I don't have to prove that he's as powerful as Thanos, because I'm not making the claim that he is. All I'm saying is that it's a possibility because the clone's power level was never specified. What we do know is that he was a good enough clone for Mistress Death to use against the Rot in the Celestial Quest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because Tyrant did more damage with less attacks and such. Hurst Odins case immensely.

No, he didn't do more damage, else Thanos would have struggled to get up like he did against Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whatever I didnt read that but it sounds completely full of bs. It is.

You're right. It is BS, which is why we ignore it even though it still is canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who knows if Tyrant developed this power overtime or whatever. Point is he used it in the second fight and the whole first fight was never fully shown. Its his powerset accept it.

That's exactly right. It was a power that was given to him in that story for the sole purpose of giving him an advantage over Galactus. There was no explanation of how he got the ability. He just one day had it, even though he didn't acquire it in the billions of years from the first fight to the standoff they had.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Let me ask a question. If he's not on par with Odin, then how much above Tyrant is he? He is definetely not near Galan's level who is a primal foe of Tyrant.

Tyrant has put up a good fight against galactus when tyrant was at full power. This is a depowered tyrant in this thread, and tyrant was stripped of alot of his original powers by galactus. I think odin wins this.

On KMC we have Tyrant down as Sub-skyfather

Originally posted by celestialdemon
What's the point? That doesn't matter if they face each other at normal power levels.

Do you think if Thanos really wanted Tyrant beaten that he would have went against him one on one? No. He would have come up with a grand scheme to give himself every advantage like he normally does.

Remember, you yourself admitted that if Thanos wanted Tyrant out of the picture, he could just as easily take him out with prep as he could Odin.

I think if Thanos wanted to beat Tyrant and wanted to amp himself he could. I also think he would have a much easier time defeating Odin as opposed to Tyrant. I dont think a Thanos clone could take Tyrant out as easily as he did with Odin.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
If you would bother to actually read my posts instead of just running your both, you would have already seen that I said I'm not a Tyrant hater. I actually like him MORE than Odin or Galactus. I'm just not someone like you who lets that favoritism blind them.

Yet you are still too afraid to answer my question, because you know you can't defend yourself.

I don't have to prove that he's as powerful as Thanos, because I'm not making the claim that he is. All I'm saying is that it's a possibility because the clone's power level was never specified. What we do know is that he was a good enough clone for Mistress Death to use against the Rot in the Celestial Quest.

No, he didn't do more damage, else Thanos would have struggled to get up like he did against Odin.

You're right. It is BS, which is why we ignore it even though it still is canon.

That's exactly right. It was a power that was given to him in that story for the sole purpose of giving him an advantage over Galactus. There was no explanation of how he got the ability. He just one day had it, even though he didn't acquire it in the billions of years from the first fight to the standoff they had.

To make the statement he is close to Thanos isnt the same as being on his level. That clone had nothing to do with Odin. Completely different clone anyways.

Again Odin blasted him more and longer. Thanos' shirt was fine. We both have been over this it seems forever and neither of us are budging.

Thats bs but the Tyrant Galactus fight wasnt at all. He was using his powers is all.

He still has these powers. His powers were never explained before and when they did explain them you didnt care for it. Its still his powerset and still canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is that its easier to take Odin out with some cheap tactic as opposed to Tyrant is all.

I think if Thanos wanted to beat Tyrant and wanted to amp himself he could. I also think he would have a much easier time defeating Odin as opposed to Tyrant. I dont think a Thanos clone could take Tyrant out as easily as he did with Odin.

That's not a valid point at all. They are two totally different scenarios. One involved a weakened Odin whom the clone wanted to make sure he was out of the way. The other involved a normal Tyrant whom Thanos wanted to challenge. You yourself admitted that if Thanos really wanted Tyrant out of the way he could do it just as easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again I use scans to come to my conclusions. You have come to different conclusions is all. Its all subjective anyways.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
To make the statement he is close to Thanos isnt the same as being on his level. That clone had nothing to do with Odin. Completely different clone anyways.

They were different clones, but the clone from Asgard and the clone from the Celestial Quest were from the same project. Thanos stated so himself, and he didn't mention making any changes from these two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Odin blasted him more and longer. Thanos' shirt was fine. We both have been over this it seems forever and neither of us are budging.

I guess we aren't, and I'll continue to not budge until Marvel shows that Tyrant is definitively more powerful than Odin, which they haven't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats bs but the Tyrant Galactus fight wasnt at all. He was using his powers is all.

It wasn't BS to you because you don't want it to be. Doesn't work like that. The fact remains is Tyrant didn't have the ability before this fight, and no explanation was given as to how he acquired it. Plus, Galactus' powers were redefined specifically to make him fall victim to Tyrant's new powers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still has these powers. His powers were never explained before and when they did explain them you didnt care for it. Its still his powerset and still canon.

He didn't have the power to begin with or else he would have never allowed himself to be beaten in the first place. After he was depowered, he didn't have it either until they finally fought again.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
That's not a valid point at all. They are two totally different scenarios. One involved a weakened Odin whom the clone wanted to make sure he was out of the way. The other involved a normal Tyrant whom Thanos wanted to challenge. You yourself admitted that if Thanos really wanted Tyrant out of the way he could do it just as easily.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
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They were different clones, but the clone from Asgard and the clone from the Celestial Quest were from the same project. Thanos stated so himself, and he didn't mention making any changes from these two.

I guess we aren't, and I'll continue to not budge until Marvel shows that Tyrant is definitively more powerful than Odin, which they haven't.

It wasn't BS to you because you don't want it to be. Doesn't work like that. The fact remains is Tyrant didn't have the ability before this fight, and no explanation was given as to how he acquired it. Plus, Galactus' powers were redefined specifically to make him fall victim to Tyrant's new powers.

He didn't have the power to begin with or else he would have never allowed himself to be beaten in the first place. After he was depowered, he didn't have it either until they finally fought again.

I believe the have you believe they havent. We have been over every detail then and back again.

It isnt bs because its his powerset. Black Panther didnt reveal any new powers and the same with Spiderman. So that makes that bad writing as this makes it Tyrant's powerset.

We dont know what happened after their first fight til the time the fought again. The point is Tyrant's powerset is as it was for the Galactus fight. We go by what they give us. Your personal feelings about his powerset and the manner in which it was revealed is inconsequential.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He could do it easily but I dont think a clone could have done it as easily as he did with Odin.

You're speculating.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
You're speculating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Same project but not the same powerful level imo.

In your opinion but no proof of it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I believe the have you believe they havent. We have been over every detail then and back again.

Yes, we have, and we'll continue to go over them as long as you try to pass off Tyrant being more powerful than Odin as fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isnt bs because its his powerset. Black Panther didnt reveal any new powers and the same with Spiderman. So that makes that bad writing as this makes it Tyrant's powerset.

A new power was invented just so Tyrant can get an upper hand against Galactus. That's lazy writing. It would be as lazy as the In-Betweener suddenly gaining the ability to asborb Order and Chaos' powers and use it to defeat them in battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know what happened after their first fight til the time the fought again. The point is Tyrant's powerset is as it was for the Galactus fight. We go by what they give us. Your personal feelings about his powerset and the manner in which it was revealed is inconsequential.

Talk about personal feelings...you're the fanboy who believes Tyrant is on Galactus' level.

Let's look at 2 different scenarios: the standoff, and the second fight.

In the standoff, Tyrant faces a less than well-fed Galactus. He has Morg as his prisoner as well as others. He also has home field advantage, seeing as how Galactus came to Tyrant's base.

In the fight, Tyrant faces a well-fed Galactus. He no longer has Morg as a prisoner, so he doesn't have that leverage. He's also fighting Galactus in Galan's ship, not his own.

So, assuming like you do that Tyrant had his bse absorption powers the entire time, we are expected to believe that he gave up a prime opportunity to face and defeat Galactus, yet settled for a standoff, only to face Galactus later under far less favorable conditions for himself. That sound about right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Poison was easy as pie to do to Odin. You cant poison Tyrant is my point.

As it was only easy because Odin was already weakened and Thanos used someone else to do it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
In your opinion but no proof of it.

Yes, we have, and we'll continue to go over them as long as you try to pass off Tyrant being more powerful than Odin as fact.

A new power was invented just so Tyrant can get an upper hand against Galactus. That's lazy writing. It would be as lazy as the In-Betweener suddenly gaining the ability to asborb Order and Chaos' powers and use it to defeat them in battle.

Talk about personal feelings...you're the fanboy who believes Tyrant is on Galactus' level.

Let's look at 2 different scenarios: the standoff, and the second fight.

In the standoff, Tyrant faces a less than well-fed Galactus. He has Morg as his prisoner as well as others. He also has home field advantage, seeing as how Galactus came to Tyrant's base.

In the fight, Tyrant faces a well-fed Galactus. He no longer has Morg as a prisoner, so he doesn't have that leverage. He's also fighting Galactus in Galan's ship, not his own.

So, assuming like you do that Tyrant had his bse absorption powers the entire time, we are expected to believe that he gave up a prime opportunity to face and defeat Galactus, yet settled for a standoff, only to face Galactus later under far less favorable conditions for himself. That sound about right?

Its my opinion is all. I believe in what I am saying but its just my opinion which isnt factual. Neither is yours.

Tyrant and Galactus both thought it wasnt in their best interests to fight AT THIS TIME. I think they both wanted to be mentally ready completely and were caught off guard by running into each other here.

Tyrant wasnt ready to face him yet. He wanted to at a later time. He planeed on fighting Galactus later. When he showed up the second time he was ready. He also showed up after Galactus drained a planet ripe with bse energy and I think at that moment Tyrant knew the moment had come and he had to face him before he got weaker and weaker.

Tyrant was ready for Galactus and vice versa. Both knew about each other and this titanic confrontation its just Tyrant was winning.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
As it was only easy because Odin was already weakened and Thanos used someone else to do it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont even think you can poison Tyrant is my point. If you can which is all speculation anyways I believe it would be much harder to accomplish.

We don't know for sure, so we don't know how easy it would or wouldn't be to do the same to Tyrant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All of this is opinion based. We just disagree is all.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Its my opinion is all. I believe in what I am saying but its just my opinion which isnt factual. Neither is yours.

I know mine isn't, and I never try to pass it off like it is. However, I've seen you basically talk down to people for even suggesting Odin might be more powerful than Tyrant. That's wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant and Galactus both thought it wasnt in their best interests to fight AT THIS TIME. I think they both wanted to be mentally ready completely and were caught off guard by running into each other here.

Galactus wasn't caught off guard. He knew where he was going and who had Morg. Same thing with Tyrant. He knew holding Morg would eventually bring Galactus around.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant wasnt ready to face him yet. He wanted to at a later time. He planeed on fighting Galactus later. When he showed up the second time he was ready. He also showed up after Galactus drained a planet ripe with bse energy and I think at that moment Tyrant knew the moment had come and he had to face him before he got weaker and weaker.

Again, why would Tyrant need special preparation if he could have just absorbed Galactus' power and gotten stronger during the standoff? Anything Galactus tried should have been useless, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant was ready for Galactus and vice versa. Both knew about each other and this titanic confrontation its just Tyrant was winning.

And why wouldn't Tyrant be ready for Galactus the first time when he knew he was coming and he still had his absorption abilities?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
We don't know for sure, so we don't know how easy it would or wouldn't be to do the same to Tyrant.