Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Now are the hell feats usable to forum matches? I feel yes, but I know people will argue to death that it does not. However it seems clear the writes intentions is that the only differences is wolverine no longer has adamatium
No adamantium, no powers (aside from his weakened HF), just his indomitable will.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Now are the hell feats usable to forum matches? I feel yes, but I know people will argue to death that it does not. However it seems clear the writes intentions is that the only differences is wolverine no longer has adamatium
Wolverine is in the same boat as everyone else in hell, no powers, but can't be "killed" conventionally. Any wounds he receives stays open, healing - presumably - at a normal human speed; but regardless of the severity of the wound he won't die, he'll just hurt a lot. Sure he can't be killed conventionally but seeing as neither can anyone he is fighting, beating hordes of his slain enemies would be more impressive in hell than in the real world.
Wolverine said "no powers," in issue two. He can still take more damage in hell than a normal dude could on earth and still keep fighting, but that is just do to very nature of being a soul in hell. Silver Samurai was able to talk as severed head, and move individual severed body parts. No one in hell can die, so unless you are severing limbs and demobilizing people, attacks are just pain, regardless of the severity the would have in the real world.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He also has his claws. I think everyone still mantains there physical powers but at there natural state minus any enhancements it what it seems. Which is why the writer pointed out that he no longer has adamatium.
Omega Red and Cyber still have their metal 😛 Seems like Logan gets a special treatment.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine said "no powers," in issue two. He can still take more damage in hell than a normal dude could on earth and still keep fighting, but that is just do to very nature of being a soul in hell. Silver Samurai was able to talk as severed head, and move individual severed body parts. No one in hell can die, so unless you are severing limbs and demobilizing people, attacks are just pain, regardless of the severity the would have in the real world.
Recap page, issue three. It says his healing was weakened. Not completely nullified.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Avengers: The Children's Crusade:Wolverine eats a "Sentry" level punch from a pissed of Wonderman. It has little effect.
Yea you could say that but doesn't prove he can take class 100 punches like nothing.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
what a badass only he have the balls to say that to capt.
Yea sometimes Wolverine puts things into perspective and tells it like it is. In his own way Wolverine is arguably as important as Cap in the MU.
Posting this here because i feel this should resolve all tensions, good news for all.
Marc Guggenheim has replied to my email and what he replied should make both sides happy.
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The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.
I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for reading.
Best,
Marc
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if you don't believe me I'll give a mod access to my email account, but this is great news in my opinion.
Originally posted by Trackz
Posting this here because i feel this should resolve all tensions, good news for all.Marc Guggenheim has replied to my email and what he replied should make both sides happy.
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The fight was designed to end in a draw -- albeit with Blade having the upper hand, mainly because Wolverine's healing factor makes him virtually unbeatable in this kind of fight.I've written a Wolverine vs Blade one-shot that hopefully will see the light of day soon.
Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for reading.
Best,
Marc
__________________if you don't believe me I'll give a mod access to my email account, but this is great news in my opinion.
Why? It doesn't prove anything except that Blade was supposed to have the upper hand in some regard. Needless to say, that's not how it came out - regardless of the writers intentions. He also basically stated in plain English that Wolverine still wins because of his healing factor. We all know that Guggenheim is completely clueless when it comes to Wolverine. I wonder what Jason Aaron would think? It all comes down to the writers understandings of each respective character. Maybe Blade had the upper hand because Wolverine was tired after just fighting Omega Red? You do know that a fight with Omega Red would probably make him slower and decrease his reflexes etc depending on how long the fight actually lasted.
I think the majority are in agreement when it comes to the following statement:
Show us scans of Blade clearly displaying feats of speed that are above or even equal to Wolverine. Show us that he has even close to the level of fighting skill or experience that Wolverine has. Or, if there is already evidence posting in the Blade respect thread, forward us to the appropriate section. Once you have demonstrated these things with hard evidence, your opinion on this matter will gain more respect. But as of right now, you are desperately grasping at straws; emailing a comic book writer in hopes that he will validate your otherwise unsubstantiated claim.
I just read the fight with Blade. Wolverine intentionally takes his sword to the chest and walks right through it. Then he kicks Blades' ass, pins him to the ground and gets a vile of vampire blood in his neck. So what advantage did Blade have exactly? Logan didn't even try to doge the sword attack or the vampire blood as he knew that neither would affect him significantly. To me, the only "advantage" that Blade had in that fight was the surprise vile of blood to the neck. Which Logan didn't even try and dodge. Kind of like a Batman "Secret weapon element of suprise type of advantage" that wasn't really an advantage at all since it failed miserably.
So we have what actually happened on panel vs what Guggenheim supposedly told you in an email. Even if Guggenheim did tell you that - it's off the record and could very well have been written just to put at ease the mind of an individual who clearly cares way too much about his favorite character. For all we know, he could have been laughing in his mind and thinking "yeah right, Wolverine totally wrecked him and would do it again". But he just didn't have the heart to tell you that maybe? Maybe I should write Chris Claremont what he thinks about a fight between Wolverine and Blade and then post it on here to try and prove something...
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Why? It doesn't prove anything except that Blade was supposed to have the upper hand in some regard. Needless to say, that's not how it came out - regardless of the writers intentions. He also basically stated in plain English that Wolverine still wins because of his healing factor. We all know that Guggenheim is completely clueless when it comes to Wolverine. I wonder what Jason Aaron would think? It all comes down to the writers understandings of each respective character. Maybe Blade had the upper hand because Wolverine was tired after just fighting Omega Red? You do know that a fight with Omega Red would probably make him slower and decrease his reflexes etc depending on how long the fight actually lasted.I think the majority are in agreement when it comes to the following statement:
Show us scans of Blade clearly displaying feats of speed that are above or even equal to Wolverine. Show us that he has even close to the level of fighting skill or experience that Wolverine has. Or, if there is already evidence posting in the Blade respect thread, forward us to the appropriate section. Once you have demonstrated these things with hard evidence, your opinion on this matter will gain more respect. But as of right now, you are desperately grasping at straws; emailing a comic book writer in hopes that he will validate your otherwise unsubstantiated claim.
...are you serious?
for one I never asked him nor did he talk about who would win in a fight, I just asked him what he intended to show in that issue which is what has been the subject of debate.
here we see he intended it to be a draw with Blade having a bit of an upperhand because Wolverine healing factor makes him nigh-unbeatable without some type of prep.
of course you'd managed to turn this into a debate somehow....
Originally posted by Trackz
...are you serious?for one I never asked him nor did he talk about who would win in a fight, I just asked him what he intended to show in that issue which is what has been the subject of debate.
here we see he intended it to be a draw with Blade having a bit of an upperhand because Wolverine healing factor makes him nigh-unbeatable without some type of prep.
of course you'd managed to turn this into a debate somehow....
I just read the fight with Blade. Wolverine intentionally takes his sword to the chest and walks right through it. Then he kicks Blades' ass, pins him to the ground and gets a vile of vampire blood in his neck. So what advantage did Blade have exactly? Logan didn't even try to doge the sword attack or the vampire blood as he knew that neither would affect him significantly. To me, the only "advantage" that Blade had in that fight was the surprise vile of blood to the neck. Which Logan didn't even try and dodge. Kind of like a Batman "Secret weapon element of suprise type of advantage" that wasn't really an advantage at all since it failed miserably.
So we have what actually happened on panel vs what Guggenheim supposedly told you in an email. Even if Guggenheim did tell you that - it's off the record and could very well have been written just to put at ease the mind of an individual who clearly cares way too much about his favorite character beating Wolverine. For all we know, he could have been laughing in his mind and thinking "yeah right, Wolverine totally wrecked him and would do it again". But he just didn't have the heart to tell you that maybe? Maybe I should write Chris Claremont what he thinks about a fight between Wolverine and Blade and then post it on here to try and prove something...
Dude, you do know what thread this is right? It's the Wolverine respect thread. Seriously, it's as if you just jumped from out of the past from three years ago with some obscure evidence that no one could possibly care about regarding a point that hasn't been discussed in three ****ing years.
You're acting like everyone else has followed this discussion and that nothing has happened between page 1 of the thread and now...
And for the record, the Wolverine fans are not at all bothered by the issue of Wolverine kicking Blade's ass...because well..he kicked Blade's ass. The only ones that are bothered by it and feel the need to discuss it 3 years later out of absolute ****ing nowhere are the people who can't get over the fact that Wolverine beat Blade. So they have to email the writer with some ridiculous hope that he will tell them something in order for them to interpet the scans in their favor. As I already stated, he could have just been lying to appease you....FF'S.
