Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

Originally posted by illadelph12
- I'm opposed to power copying, but I'd allow it with the restrictions I have on it currently (only able to copy individuals and not amalgams). It's up for a vote. I like Charlotte's idea about the no copying of NPCs. Only characters participating in the tournament would be viable for power copying (if it's allowed at all). If you had an Avenger on your roster and prepped at the team headquarters you couldn't copy the powers of random Avengers members simply because they were present. Only drafted characters. That ammendment to the Power copying rule will be applied (assuming we allow power copying). Thanks Charlotte.

Originally posted by illadelph12
- I'm opposed to power copying, but I'd allow it with the restrictions I have on it currently (only able to copy individuals and not amalgams). It's up for a vote. I like Charlotte's idea about the no copying of NPCs. Only characters participating in the tournament would be viable for power copying (if it's allowed at all). If you had an Avenger on your roster and prepped at the team headquarters you couldn't copy the powers of random Avengers members simply because they were present. Only drafted characters. That ammendment to the Power copying rule will be applied (assuming we allow power copying). Thanks Charlotte.

I realize that the restriction is helpful, but I still strongly dislike the idea of one character being capable of copying all the others on his team, and thereby undermining the whole idea of amalgamation and time limits, because he can amalgamate his entire team into one character instantaneously.

Can you please name multiple power copier WITHOUT restriction (Synch needs "synching" and has never copied more than 2 powersets at once; Mymic needs an hour to adjust to his powers) who is outright draftable at that level? Gideon is the best bet from the list, since Copycat is also restricted to one powerset at time, Rogue is out due to lifesteal etc.

In fact outrigth (no prep, no constructs etc) Gideon is the only one at that level who can do what you've said.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Can you please name multiple power copier WITHOUT restriction (Synch needs "synching" and has never copied more than 2 powersets at once; Mymic needs an hour to adjust to his powers) who is outright draftable at that level? Gideon is the best bet from the list, since Copycat is also restricted to one powerset at time, Rogue is out due to lifesteal etc.

In fact outrigth (no prep, no constructs etc) Gideon is the only one at that level who can do what you've said.

Suddenly Synch can do it to. For instance. And no, I'm not going to name power copiers. Lol @ throwing out names of what'll be the most valuable players in the game if everybody disagrees with me.

Either way, it ruins the point of amalgamating, because it's saving time. So what if you only copy two people or five people? It's still the same flaw.

Actually, Mimic gets the new powers instantly and keeps them as long as he's in proximity to the originator. The hour limit is how long he needs to stay in contact with the other mutant to permanently copy their powers. In the past he's copied and used the Phoenix force (and other abilities) after only seconds of exposure.

I'm voting against power copiers anyway, but not just because of this latest point.

In fact, I'm not going to defend it too much. If you want it to be banned, it's OK with me.

my vote is also to outright ban all power copying.

Abstain. I'm not against power copying per say, but I'd prefer to outright ban Gideon at least.

I haven't said much recently, since voting against duping.

I'm slightly torn. Copying shouldn't be that big an advantage with the restrictions, but it would still allow a copier to have the powers of the rest of their team...which will average out to about 4 others, ranging from high meta to high street. If an opponent has good counters to those characters, a copier meshing them all together won't be an absurd advantage. But it also would be more total power sets on the field of battle at once that a normal team, and the potential for some overwhelming juggernauts to be made via copying. There's also the possibility that not all the copier's opponents are amalgamated, in which case they could potentially negate them.

Since they're in short supply (and you guys are scared of Gideon 😖hifty: ), that could leave quite a few participants out to dry. Leads me to want to ban them, but I still can't see them as an insurmountable advantage...just a very tough obstacle. They would NEED the proposed restrictions, or otherwise they need banned, and may need banned anyway.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I haven't said much recently, since voting against duping.

I'm slightly torn. Copying shouldn't be that big an advantage with the restrictions, but it would still allow a copier to have the powers of the rest of their team...which will average out to about 4 others, ranging from high meta to high street. If an opponent has good counters to those characters, a copier meshing them all together won't be an absurd advantage. But it also would be more total power sets on the field of battle at once that a normal team, and the potential for some overwhelming juggernauts to be made via copying. There's also the possibility that not all the copier's opponents are amalgamated, in which case they could potentially negate them.

Since they're in short supply (and you guys are scared of Gideon 😖hifty: ), that could leave quite a few participants out to dry. Leads me to want to ban them, but I still can't see them as an insurmountable advantage...just a very tough obstacle. They would NEED the proposed restrictions, or otherwise they need banned, and may need banned anyway.

Who's scared, darling?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Who's scared, darling?

I would be, if I were in this. He'd presumably have 3-4 people copied from his own team, then whoever is left unamalgamated on the other team, which will usually be at least 1 character. Given the lack of prep to make similarly scary plans, he'd walk right through most teams, provided the participant using him isn't stupid about drafts and debates. And that's with the restrictions in place preventing him from copying NPCs, tech, and amalgams.

So you're definitely not entering then Digi?

Well, the risk is worth it🙂

But there's the reason to ban the powercopying outright- experience stays, and rosters can be flexible with trading agency system in place. Imagine drafting new characters every week, adding their powers to the collection and throwing them away.

In fact, I've thought of that tactic, but then decided that it's actually a bit stupid. Though I won't say I won't flex my roster a bit time and drafts allowing.

In manager style tourney powercopying needs to be banned- otherwise it's not "money saving", it's buying a team by the price of one player. Something that nobody took into account...
So no power copying for "manager tourneys" at least on that level. In Seazon 2 it might be added, excluding roster loophole, of course.

Ok, so it seems like the majority at this point is against allowing power copying (at least at this tier). I think I'll ratify this decision and amend the rules. Any further arguments/votes for keeping it?

Also, the next topics up for debate will be the allowance of precognition and probability altering powers (a la Longshot) respectively.

Longshot's powers are too difficult to judge. How can you properly judge "bad luck" for opponent?
Precognition? Fine as clairvoyance\"danger sence", not as justifier of spying on opposition's prep.

Longshot style powers can't be allowed, it's just pure PIS most of the time.

Precognition? vague danger warnings like Spider-Man's SS should be ok, claiming to be able to see what will definitely happen in the future shouldn't be allowed imo.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Longshot style powers can't be allowed, it's just pure PIS most of the time.

Precognition? vague danger warnings like Spider-Man's SS should be ok, claiming to be able to see what will definitely happen in the future shouldn't be allowed imo.

Just my point. Longshot's\Domino's style powers are totally unsuitable for tourneys\RPGs. I remember than as GM on one comic-related RPG I had to judge a fight with Domino in it. Lots of BS and headache.

Rose Tattoo's style powers are another talk, but OH kills are banned anyways. BTW, LOL at having Rose Tattoo as high street at tier table. Girl can kill you with anything from kiss to butter knife, and she's Saint of Killers-lite with boobs.

On precogs- clairvoyance\danger sence is fine, outright precognition- nope.

Interesting.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Longshot style powers can't be allowed, it's just pure PIS most of the time.

Precognition? vague danger warnings like Spider-Man's SS should be ok, claiming to be able to see what will definitely happen in the future shouldn't be allowed imo.

I think this is spot on, probability manipulation should be banned, because if it's not there's really little counter to it.

Originally posted by -V-
I think this is spot on, probability manipulation should be banned, because if it's not there's really little counter to it.