Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Changing vote? 😬

Does this mean I can mention some things I thought you missed and have you reassess the match? I won't, but I mention it because it's a scary precedent to set. Because that's exactly what happened here.

Congrats though FG. You did some good debating.

Anyway ill, I think you know that I'm the first to promote tourney involvement, and also to prevent needless attacks on others. Fangirl and I have talked at length about reasons to stay active in tournaments, and I've even gone so far as to help him with individual aspects of his debating and strategies. And I wouldn't have said it if I thought there was a chance of it being taken as an insult or in a negative way.

So I understand the sentiment, but there's no need to get testy over it, nor a need to issue ultimatums like I'm breaking some unwritten protocol.

Again, 😬

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man. I had a run-in with one of your peers on MSN and I'm not in the best of moods.

My apologies.

I didn't say you didn't deserve the match FG, or ill's vote. I worry about judges changing votes after issuing them, because it sets a dangerous precedent. That's all. It had nothing to do with you, but about the tournament and its structures.

As you'll notice, I actually congratulated you. You've put in a lot of work. I'm glad it paid off.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man. I had a run-in with one of your peers on MSN and I'm not in the best of moods.

My apologies.

Apology accepted. You've accepted a couple of mine this tourney, so it's a pleasure to return the favor. Tourneys, or sometimes KMC in general and its goings-on, can get the best of us and make us act rash. So no worries.

Week 1: New York City
Duration: Monday, September 15th @ 10am thru Friday, September 19th @ 12am)
BDub/Smurph def. Leo/Scoob 2-1 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t492944.html
Charlotte def. Kfish 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t492942.html
Digi def. Fangirl 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t492943.html

Bye: Kandy/id369

Judges: Badabing, Citizen V, Illadelph

Week 2: Kahndaq (DC)
Duration: Monday, September 22nd @ 10am thru Friday, September 26th @ 12am)
Charlotte def. Fangirl 3-0 [by submission] - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t493401.html
Kandi/id369 Vs. Scoob/Leo - Postponed; Rescheduled to Week 8
Digi def. Kfish 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493403&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post11118084

Bye: BDub/Smurph

Judges: Jason, Citizen V, Newjak

Week 3: The Amazon Rain Forest
Duration: Monday, September 29th @ 10am thru Friday, October 3rd @ 12am)
Charlotte def BDub/Smurph 2-1 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t493869.html
Scoob/Leo def. FanGirl 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t493870.html
Kandy/id369 def. Kfish 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t493871.html

Bye: Digi

Judges: Red, Symmetric Chaos, Darthgoober (*), Illadelph (#)

Week 4: The Australian Outback
Duration: Monday, October 6th @ 10am thru Friday, October 10th @ 12am)
Bdub/Smurph def. Kfish 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t494345.html
Digi def. Scoob/Leo 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t494346.html
Charlotte def. Kandy/id369 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t494347.html

Bye: Fangirl

Judges: Jason, Badabing, Red

Week 5: The Savage Land (Marvel)
Duration: Monday, October 20th @ 12pm thru Friday, October 24th @ 12pm)
Bdub/Smurph def. Fangirl 2-1 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t495375.html
Scoob/Leo def. Charlotte 3-0 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t495377.html
Digi def. Kandi/id369 2-1 - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t495378.html

Bye: Kfish

Judges: Illadelph, Symmetric Chaos, Citizen V

Week 6: Metropolis (DC)
Duration: Monday, October 27th @ 10am thru Friday, October 31st @ 12am)
Charlotte Vs. Digi
Kandi/id369 vs. Fangirl
Scoob/Leo Vs. Kfish

Bye: BDub/Smurph

Judges: Badabing, Jason, Newjak

Week 7: Hyperbolic Time Capsule (Dragon Ball Z)
Duration: Monday, November 3rd @ 10am thru Friday, November 7th @ 12am)
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Kandi/id369
Fangirl Vs. Kfish

Bye: Charlotte, Digi, Scoob/Leo

Judges: TBD

Week 8: Washington D.C.
Duration: Monday, November 10th @ 10am thru Friday, November 14th @ 12am)
Bdub/Smurph vs. Digi
Kandi/id369 Vs. Scoob/Leo

Bye: Charlotte, Fangirl, Kfish

Judges: TBD

Standings:

1. Digi ---- 4-0 (11-1) [.917]
2. Charlotte ---- 4-1 (11-4) [.733]
3. B-Dub/Smurph ---- 3-1 (8-4) [.666]
4. Leo/Scoob ---- 2-2 (7-5) [.583]
5. Kandy/id369 ---- 1-2 (4-5) [.444]
7. Fangirl ---- 0-4 (1-11) [.083]
7. Kfish ---- 0-4 (0-12) [.000]

* = Clinched Playoff Berth

Current Judge Roster:

Badabing
Citizen V (C)
Darthgoober
Illadelph >Z<
Jason
Mr. Master
Newjak
Red
Symmetric Chaos
Xmarksthespot

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I didn't say you didn't deserve the match FG, or ill's vote. I worry about judges changing votes after issuing them, because it sets a dangerous precedent. That's all. It had nothing to do with you, but about the tournament and its structures.

As you'll notice, I actually congratulated you. You've put in a lot of work. I'm glad it paid off.

Well, congrats to Scoobs. I've said at the beginning of the tourney that I consider your team a "planned loss" for me, and that's what happened🙂
Not that it hurted much, of course.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Well, congrats to Scoobs. I've said at the beginning of the tourney that I consider your team a "planned loss" for me, and that's what happened🙂
Not that it hurted much, of course.

But anyways, you did show me some mistakes in my plan along with the ways to improve it🙂

it's always fun against you, cdb. perhaps we'll face off again. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
it's always fun against you, cdb. perhaps we'll face off again. 🙂

I hope so🙂

This tournament makes me want to update, if not re-do Cables respect thread. Turn it into a massive informative thread. It seems he is mostly known, for his gun taunting, TP/TK abilities. The man is a scientific genius, who has bin exposed and messed around with Shiar, Celestial, and Futuristic tech (2,000 years into the future).

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Changing vote? 😬

Does this mean I can mention some things I thought you missed and have you reassess the match? I won't, but I mention it because it's a scary precedent to set. Because that's exactly what happened here.

digi, sorry to rehash an old point, but this is EXACTLY why I always thought judges should be required to post some specifics as to why they come to a certain judgment.

because Illadelph actually wrote why he thought fangirl's team lost as opposed to a generic statement that fangirl's argument wasn't as convincing, fangirl had an opportunity to CORRECT (not convince) a misunderstanding/misreading

remember, this is not a problem because fangirl isn't saying that illadelph incorrectly interpreted her argument (since that is subjective), but rather fangirl is correcting some objective facts that illadelph misconstrued

its like if you use character X for a certain purpose, but then a judge thought you used character Y and deemed it a failure...you should have a legitimate gripe in that case.

just my 2 cents

Originally posted by fangirl101
They do it in sports. I think.

nice touch with the 'I think'. 😉

I was the one who originally suggested the longer explanations, so we're essentially in agreement there starscream. I see such a vote change as opening the door to after-the-match debating to gain judge votes, so I still see it as a dangerous precedent to set. But it likely won't become an issue after this, so there likely will be more good than harm from the extended explanations.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I was the one who originally suggested the longer explanations, so we're essentially in agreement there starscream. I see such a vote change as opening the door to after-the-match debating to gain judge votes, so I still see it as a dangerous precedent to set. But it likely won't become an issue after this, so there likely will be more good than harm from the extended explanations.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
opening the door to after-the-match debating

she wasn't saying 'hey judge, you should be persuaded by my argument because of such and such'

she basically corrected a mis-reading by the judge

I just see a distinction between the two.

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although you could perhaps say that if a judge misread, then it is up to the contestant to make better organized arguments that are easy and clear to understand and absorb, in which case I'd agree 🙂

Originally posted by Starscream M
i just don't see what fangirl did as 'debating'

she wasn't saying 'hey judge, you should be persuaded by my argument because of such and such'

she basically corrected a mis-reading by the judge

I just see a distinction between the two.

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although you could perhaps say that if a judge misread, then it is up to the contestant to make better organized arguments that are easy and clear to understand and absorb, in which case I'd agree 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
Like one judge said I was power copying, when i was doing the exact same thing Spawn and Minion did in their matches. I thought that was so unfair.

However, you should be able to correct a judge when its an obvious objective mistake...ie judge thought you used spiderman when really you used superman (stupid example, but you get the point)

This week's matches begin in a little over a half an hour. Good luck to everyone.

Leo/Scoob, I need your OP.

Originally posted by Starscream M
see...that example is different. you disagreed with a judge's 'interpretation'...in such a case, i don't think you should be allowed to argue with the judge. You make your case during the debate, after that, the judge is allowed free will to decide his case, even if it may be completely ridiculous to you or even inconsistent, unfortunately.

However, you should be able to correct a judge when its an obvious objective mistake...ie judge thought you used spiderman when really you used superman (stupid example, but you get the point)