Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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Per Rules:

Prevalent Historical Base. Look up the word historical. In fact I'll do it for you:

his·tor·i·cal
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hi-stawr-i-kuhl, -stor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective

1. of, pertaining to, treating, or characteristic of history or past events: historical records; historical research.

It also happens to be the base he used for the majority of his showings. It fulfills both criteria (historically used meaning in his past and for the majority of his showings) that characters for this tournament for prep bases, as I have been told, need to fulfill.

Insert a quarter, try again

No need to get condescending Blair. I've been sarcastic with ill because I don't like the decision, and feel it goes against what he told me earlier via PM and thus bucks his earlier precedent. I've checked on things in tourneys before and then had them switched on me *coughevangelcough* so it's a touchy area for me. But you have every right to fight for whatever you want for your characters. Congrats. Really.

Like I said, I don't know jack about Marvel Boy. Knowing you, this Plex will channel the power of Galactus or something, but I was arguing on priciple, which I'll stand by. Whether or not ill originally intended "historical" to mean "any point in a person's history" is very debatable. He probably didn't foresee this, as none of did originally, and only interpreted it once this came up. As it is with most tourney issues. but he rules in favor of you. I've voiced my disagreement, and at this point will let it drop, because I don't feel like taking on large number of you in what is obviously a lost cause.

I don't like prep in general, as I've also stated. I want it to be about debating as wholly as possible. But I'll adjust as needed, and will be every bit as ready as I need to be when you sick Galactus on me or whatever-the-hell.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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Per Rules:

Prevalent Historical Base. Look up the word historical. In fact I'll do it for you:

his·tor·i·cal
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hi-stawr-i-kuhl, -stor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective

1. of, pertaining to, treating, or characteristic of history or past events: historical records; historical research.

It also happens to be the base he used for the majority of his showings. It fulfills both criteria (historically used meaning in his past and for the majority of his showings) that characters for this tournament for prep bases, as I have been told, need to fulfill.

Insert a quarter, try again

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said, I don't know jack about Marvel Boy. Knowing you, this Plex will channel the power of Galactus or something, but I was arguing on priciple, which I'll stand by. Whether or not ill originally intended "historical" to mean "any point in a person's history" is very debatable. He probably didn't foresee this, as none of did originally, and only interpreted it once this came up. As it is with most tourney issues. but he rules in favor of you. I've voiced my disagreement, and at this point will let it drop, because I don't feel like taking on large number of you in what is obviously a lost cause.

This is the only point in the person's history where he had a base.

It asks for a historical base of operations.

But, if you're dropping it, fine.

We've been through it Smurph. That point has been made numerous times. Kudos for making it again before "being reminded" that it's being dropped. He ruled for you. Try to take it with a little more class, eh?

Moving on, when do matches start again? I know its a Monday, and by Sunday prep is due, but what Monday and Sunday?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
We've been through it Smurph. That point has been made numerous times. Kudos for making it again before "being reminded" that it's being dropped. He ruled for you. Try to take it with a little more class, eh?

He ruled for me solely because we have a supported case that adheres to the established rules.

If you really want to try to talk down and have the last word, go ahead. But nothing that I've done, including that post, was uncalled for.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No need to get condescending Digi 🙂

Moving on, when do matches start again? I know its a Monday, and by Sunday prep is due, but what Monday and Sunday?

Christ, so a final stab before moving on? Smurph felt the need to tell me the same thing after I had already read it and explained my position, and also after I said that none of my animosity was directed toward you guys and that you had every right to argue your case. So yeah, it wasn't needed. I wasn't being condescending, just telling him the truth. Either one of you could have let things go when I basically said "hey, I disagree, but nothing I can do. Nice job fellas" but felt the need to press. And now I get my words spat back at me, without any sort of explanation, nor attempt at civility.

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Right. Because, it's obviously appropriate for you to rant for three paragraphs then say 'meh, I'll drop it', but completely without class for me to respond.

He ruled for me solely because we have a supported case that adheres to the established rules.

If you really want to try to talk down and have the last word, go ahead. But nothing that I've done, including that post, was uncalled for.

Hell, I was congratulating you guys on your legitimately earned success, while also expressing my disagreement. there was never any bad blood until you and Blair decided that because I interpreted the rules differently, that was license to be sarcastic and condescending.

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
If you really want to try to talk down and have the last word, go ahead. But nothing that I've done, including that post, was uncalled for.

[Walks in]...to much drama...[walks out].

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Right. Because, it's obviously appropriate for you to rant for three paragraphs then say 'meh, I'll drop it', but completely without class for me to respond.

He ruled for me solely because we have a supported case that adheres to the established rules.

If you really want to try to talk down and have the last word, go ahead. But nothing that I've done, including that post, was uncalled for.

PM to ill. Encapsulates my thoughts well.

DigiMark007 wrote on Sep 4th, 2008 01:44 AM:
K, so I was a d*ck. Though you're going to have to realize that if I hear something like "that's Tony's base because it is his primary base of operations" that I will take that as a ruling that is valid for other members as well, so if someone is at a certain place longer than another, I'll take that as their base, regardless of the location's original intent.

I understand the ruling. Really, I do. It makes sense. But it is at odds with the explanation I got for Tony, different situation or not. And as a tourney competitor who tries to frame questions that are as nuanced as possible (because I realize how complex these things get), because a lot of time and energy goes into my prep for tourneys, I get very upset when I see something that seems like a double standard. That's where the sarcasm, animosity, etc. comes from. Thinking I know one thing, doing everything possible to make sure it's right, then being told something entirely different in a situation I have no control in. If I was neglecting the rules, or not following up with such questions, I'd have no ground upon which to object. But that isn't the case.

I do apologize for being a jerk to you, though not for being upset with the ruling. I never like when I get upset at someone else, and always feel like an ass, though I'm never afraid to do it if I feel like I have a valid point. And we just don't seem to be able to be on the same wavelength in tourney talks. I hope that changes, because I hate the frustration (twice now) of feeling like I've been told one thing, framing my planning around that, then shown another, and feeling like I've had a rug pulled out from under my feet while watching everyone else have better luck.

I'm usually the last to succumb to "e-drama," and the first to make sure disagreements never get in the way of having fun, but everyone involved in these knows how much time we put into these things. It's hard not to become emotionally invested, or to feel cheated, when it seems like you're being told one thing and watching another. I want more than anything just to have fun with it, and I will, but can and do get upset when I disagree with something for what I think are valid reasons.

Smurph, our exchange here was likely a bunch of misunderstandings. I understood the ruling but also wanted to voice my dissent in coherent fashion, and wanted to extend well wishes to you guys and tell you that you were right to debate for your position. Then you repeated the ruling, and I took exception, thinking you were spelling it out to make a point when I had clearly seen it before, and also after your partner's needless definition posting, as though I couldn't understand basic language (and your <3 affirmation of the post). I actually took that as the joke that it likely was, and only reverted slightly when it seemed to persist. Perhaps your intent was merely informative, perhaps Blair's was as well. I don't really know, but I'll overlook either, happily, in light of my own posts.

As for "knowing\not knowing" whom you'll face when planning your team's prep and combat strategy- we are supposed to know "names" of the opponent's roster but whom exactly would he field and in which form\order should be a mystery, right?

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for "knowing\not knowing" whom you'll face when planning your team's prep and combat strategy- we are supposed to know "names" of the opponent's roster but whom exactly would he field and in which form\order should be a mystery, right?

Correct.

Cool, so far everything brought up seems to be resolved to some extent.

Next point on the Agenda:

The individual character cap (and how it relates to prep sites):

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said, I don't know jack about Marvel Boy. Knowing you, this Plex will channel the power of Galactus or something

If a single character cannot be above High Meta (Iron Man level) then any boosting prep they are (individually) capable of, by way of their base, must also not allow them to surpass this benchmark.

Eg: Batman, clearly <<< Iron Man in all physical stats ... he goes to his base and somehow upgrades himself to become an uber telepath/telekinetic with mega strength and super speed, thereby pushing himself into the low herald level.

(obviously a totally random example)

The point is, if a character can, using only himself and his standard equipment, push himself above the tier cap, then this should fall under the single character power rule and be disallowed.

This would, in no way, hamper amalgamation based power ups.

The character cap is for characters with standard equipment and base powerset as they are regularly depicted on panel, not amped or powered up in any way. The ability to upgrade yourself is not a factor. For example, Dr. Doom is not abstract level simply because he has the capacity to steal or grant himself the powers of someone like Galactus with time, preperation, and the equipment in his lab.

I'm actually surprised you would try to argue that point Scoob.

The character limit should be (and always has been in previous tourneys) the limit beyond which a single character cannot go past without the aid of additional characters.

The Doom Galactus thing has nothing to do with that as it requires the presence of Galactus.

If Doom could gain the power of Galactus through the use of some random machine at any time he chose then that would be a different matter entirely.

The cap is on a character's base powers and equipment, not what a character could become given time to prepare.

Roster's and Drafting:

Sections with changes are in Bold

1. Each participant/team will be allowed to draft as many characters as they can afford within the Salary Cap. The salary cap for Season One is 125 Points. The tier based salary table is as follows:

125 Salary Cap

High Meta - 30 points

Mid Meta - 25 points

Low Meta - 20 points

High Street - 15 points

Mid Street - 10 points

Low Street - 5 points

2. Amalgamation is allowed. You can amalgamate characters at a penalty to your allotted prep time.

3. With your roster you must field a 3 (three) character team, whether they be amalgamated or individuals.

4. You are allowed, and encouraged to, reconfigure your amalgamations into any combination you wish for each battle. However, you can not reconfigure your amalgams during combat.

5. In the interest of instituting a strategic element, the configurations that each team will be using in the battle will not be known until the opening combat comments are posted in the battle. You'll know your opponents roster, but you will not know which characters the team you are facing will be fielding until battle commences.

6. Drafting: In Round One drafting will be conducted in a first come, first served basis. Each subsequent round of the draft will be the reverse picking order of the first round (first pick in rd. one getting last pick in round 2, alternating in rd. 3, and so on). Each participant will be able to post 2 draft choices per round (salary cap permitting). Once you've spent your salary cap balance and your roster has been assembled you must wait until after opening day to perform any additional roster adjustments via trades and free agency.

7. Free Agency/Trades: Like in Fantasy Sports leagues you will be allowed to trade characters with other participants. Trades will take effect the following Sunday after the trade was proposed and accepted. You will also be able to waive team characters and pick up "free agents" (undrafted characters) at any time you wish. All trades and waivers/signings must be posted in the League Standings and Transactions thread. The weekly trade/waiver deadline will be on Wednesdays at Midnight (12:00 am Thursdays, technically) [PST].

Addendum/Clarification: Transactions submitted by midnight on Wednesday, September 17th, will take effect on Sunday, September 21st for use in the Week 2 battles (beginning Monday, September 22nd). You will be able to submit roster changes as of Monday, September 15th. Below is a schedule for the weekly trade and waiver deadlines, as well as the effective dates of the transactions.

Weekly Deadline | Effective Date
Week 1: 9/17 | 9/21
Week 2 9/24 | 9/28
Week 3 10/1 | 10/5
Week 4 10/8 | 10/12
Week 5 10/15 | 10/19
Week 6 10/22 | 10/26
Week 7 10/29 | 11/2
Week 8 11/5 | 11/9*

* - Rosters will be locked as of Sunday, November 9th. Any transactions submitted on or before Wednesday, November 5th will take effect for the playoff battles.

There is no limit on the amount of trades and waivers you can perform, or the amount of characters you may have on your roster. The only stipulation is that you must be able to afford the salaries of your character roster within the 125 point salary cap. When making a roster change you must state the character which is being dropped/traded from your team as well as the character which you will be adding to your roster. Transactions must posted in the following manner:

Waivers/Free Agency Signings Example:

Drop:
Ironman - [link to bio] - 30 pts

Add:
Batman - [link to bio] - 15 pts
Black Panther - [link to bio] - 15 pts

Trade Example:

Team [insert name] trades:
Ironman - [link to bio] - 30 pts

to

Team [insert name] for:
Batman - [link to bio] - 15 pts
Black Panther - [link to bio] - 15 pts

Any disputes of the proposed transactions will be resolved by the Sunday effective dates (hence the 4 day window).