Codename 47 vs Bob Lee Swagger

Originally posted by Robtard
Who said ... ?

I don't remember any ... detail in the movie.

no more freebies.

roll up your sleeves and work for your intell.

and return to the table with some meat.

Originally posted by shiv
no more freebies.

roll up your sleeves and work for your intell.

and return to the table with some meat.

You're making the claim, it's your job to prove it, dummy.

So, the actor/character that said it?

Originally posted by Placidity
Come on guys, RJ thought placing Swagger in a park would be advantageous for him... and then he acts like he knows anything about sniping aside from mentioning ".50 cal" (WOW!) here and there.

You sure he wasn't safely tucked away from 1km with a sniper rifle?

So originally you said Swagger would beat 47 in a sniper battle. Now that we've shown how full of crap you are, you're going to say he is going to win with "small arms". Swagger doesn't have alot of feats at all with small arms.

Doesnt matter if he used his sniper rifle or an assault rifle, fact is he did it. 47 is a badass, no doubt, but we havent seen him take on NEAR that many men, not even close.

Swagger doesnt have many feats with small arms? You sure you saw Shooter? Thats like me saying 47 doesnt have a bald head.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Moving the goal post", he's done this repeatedly, there's no point debating with someone so dishonest.

Now that he's (since he gets to decide, obviously) changed the scenario to "small arms" from a sniper battle, you still can't win. If you prove that 47 would still beat him in a pistol match, he'll magically change the scenario to something else and like the rest, this new scenario is the only way the fight could go done and of course Swagger would win.

Swagger taking out as many men he does in Shooter is a testament to his skills. The same cannot be said for 47.

Think on it like this. Whats more impressive, a guy beating one man in a one on one basketball game, or the same guy beating five guys in a basketball game?

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, how you arbitrarily label Swagger as "an expert in every aspect of combat" is ridiculous. I can see your mind working, "if 47 is an expert, then Swagger must be, since he's so cool and I love the books!"

47 is shown making one 2.5 mile head-shot, correct. Yet Swagger is shown making what one mile long head-shot, yet "Swagger makes mile head long head shots in his sleep"? That my boy, is classic "fanboyism".

As noted, Swagger wasn't alone in that fight, he had his unit with him. Of course you'll disregard this and Swagger pulled a Rambo in your eyes.

Yes, you are. It's a tactic you often use to avoid questions that destroy your argument. You claim you have answered the question over and over, yet you haven't. Then when the person has had enough, you start with the "what question, I answered it, post it again" nonsense. It's okay, I understand. I posted it THREE times, surely you can go back and read if you're that sincere.

Originally posted by Robtard
RJ,

Let's go feat per feat, what was the best thing Swagger did in the movie for each of the following:

Sniping:
Blade Weapons:
Machine Gun:
Hand to Hand:
Explosives:
Stealth/Evasion:
Counter-Intel

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The park was Robtard's idea, not mine.

and it was a joke about your "wooded area" scenario, so that nonsense was all you.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What we are shown, or what is said about him, or both? I just wanna make sure we are on the same frequenccy.

Either counts, as long as what they say is precise and not the retardness that other guy above is trying to pull off.

Also add:

'Pistols' to the fray

Originally posted by Robtard
Either counts, as long as what they say is precise and not the retardness that other guy above is trying to pull off.

Also add:

'Pistols' to the fray

Originally posted by Robtard
and it was a joke about your "wooded area" scenario, so that nonsense was all you.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Think on it like this. Whats more impressive, a guy beating one man in a one on one basketball game, or the same guy beating five guys in a basketball game?

That depends lets say that the first guys beat a NBA world star, and then the first goes up against five regular schoolplayers, then the guy he beats first is the most impressive.

Originally posted by jaden101
oh..and incidentaly...the rifle used by 47 in the clip is a Blaser R93 LRS2 mid range .303 rifle....hence a bit of artistic license has been used there

Thanks 😄

However that proves a interesting scenario that sniper accomplished a kill over 500 yd of what his rifle should have been capable of. I see absolutely nothing now that in any way should oppose the possibility of Hitman taking out a guy from 4 kilometers, since this guy just surpassed what Swagger has been shown capable of accomplishe.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanks 😄

However that proves a interesting scenario that sniper accomplished a kill over 500 yd of what his rifle should have been capable of. I see absolutely nothing now that in any way should oppose the possibility of Hitman taking out a guy from 4 kilometers, since this guy just surpassed what Swagger has been shown capable of accomplishe.

Pretty much, yeah.

You guys seem certain it will boil down to a sniper battle. And when we were talking about it being a sniper battle before, the idea of 47 allowing himself to become a target was just crazy. Now, you think Swagger will allow himself to become a target, especially when he knows 47 has a rifle that can shoot that far?

No...Neither combatant will allow that, or at least they will take every precaution possible to avoid showing themselves in the other's crosshairs. Both are trained snipers, so they will know how to avoid being hit by sniper fire.

47 can shoot farther, but one thing is being overlooked. Swagger was shown scouting three cities for every possible long range sniper shot, remember? It's safe to say he will do the same here, scout Philly over the three days, learn all the angles, plan his attack. Not saying 47 wouldn't do the same, neither of them are idiots, but we are shown Swagger doing this, remember?

This is going to come down to a small arms battle, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You guys seem certain it will boil down to a sniper battle. And when we were talking about it being a sniper battle before, the idea of 47 allowing himself to become a target was just crazy. Now, you think Swagger will allow himself to become a target, especially when he knows 47 has a rifle that can shoot that far?

No...Neither combatant will allow that, or at least they will take every precaution possible to avoid showing themselves in the other's crosshairs. Both are trained snipers, so they will know how to avoid being hit by sniper fire.

47 can shoot farther, but one thing is being overlooked. Swagger was shown scouting three cities for every possible long range sniper shot, remember? It's safe to say he will do the same here, scout Philly over the three days, learn all the angles, plan his attack. Not saying 47 wouldn't do the same, neither of them are idiots, but we are shown Swagger doing this, remember?

This is going to come down to a small arms battle, plain and simple.

Those who have *seen* The movies by watching the teasers and three/four minute clips on youtube will disagree

^ I have the movie, I've seen it quite a few times and I disagree with RJ.

What does that say about your statement?

Making stupid unfounded claims only makes you look like a fool.

Originally posted by shiv
Those who have *seen* The movies by watching the teasers and three/four minute clips on youtube will disagree

It's like "You know shit, your IQ sucks, blah blah blah" and I say "Explain what is wrong with what I said."

And nothing. haermm

Originally posted by shiv
Those who have *seen* The movies by watching the teasers and three/four minute clips on youtube will disagree

Why are you seeming to have a negative tone with all this? These forums are to have fun, not grow angry by someone's disagreement with your opinion. Granted there are members who prove to be an annoyance, but it's behavior like this that refreshes anger to enter the fray. Just input your opinion, and leave it be, you're all acting like everyone elses opinion must be changed to your own.

These Vs. threads can be discussed but post after post of just constant banter.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh I know, and I will be accused of knowing nothing of sniping, because I am saying that snipers will avoid being sniped. Funny how that works, innit?

Funny how you're trying to twist peoples words.

You were claimed ignorant because you said you didn't believe a sniper could shoot over/up to 4km, which you were readily proved wrong.

Then you changed it to effective range (after evidence was provided), which still doesn't make the shot impossible at all.

Also, you thought placing Swagger in a park would be advantageous for him in a sniper battle.

So no, you were not accused of knowing nothing of sniping "because [you were] saying that snipers will avoid being sniped". Nice try though.

Originally posted by Placidity
Funny how you're trying to twist peoples words.

You were claimed ignorant because you said you didn't believe a sniper could shoot over/up to 4km, which you were readily proved wrong.

Then you changed it to effective range (after evidence was provided), which still doesn't make the shot impossible at all.

A .22 round can travel over a mile, but that doesn't mean it will strike with the same energy it would at 100 feet.

Also, you thought placing Swagger in a park would be advantageous for him in a sniper battle.

So no, you were not accused of knowing nothing of sniping [B]"because [you were] saying that snipers will avoid being sniped". Nice try though. [/B]

BTW: What does any of your rant have to do with Swagger versus 47?