Codename 47 vs Bob Lee Swagger · Movie Versus Forum

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Agent 47
Sniping: Made a 2.5+ mile head shot
Yes, one shot. One shot that Swagger could also make if forced to.
[quote]Blade Weapons: Killed 5 other armed (swords) expert assassins at one time with short swords.

Well I guess if they fight with those short swords, Swagger is toast.

Machine Gun: Took on 8-10 men in a room while avoiding gunfire himself with dual MP5, did not miss.

8 to 10 scumbags with little if any training.

Pistol: Killed multiple opponents while both seen and unseen, never missed. Can dual wield guns and still doesn't miss.

Never misses? You sure about that?

Hand to Hand: Seen using a combination of mixed martial arts to take out another expert assassin; tore off the guys ear during the duel

Took down two armed Philly officers without breaking a sweat, one of which had a gun at his head. Not to mention the dog. And he disarmed an FBI agent with while wounded twice, took his gun and stole his car.

Explosives: Rigged a door to explode and laid glass balls in front as an early detection.

Made pipe bombs, napalm and smoke bombs by hand with items purchased from a hardware store.

Stealth/Evasion: Has killed hundreds of targets all over the globe and is all but a mystery.

Yeah, too bad we aren't shown him doing this.

Stayed one-step ahead of a Russian SWAT team in a hotel while picking them off as he made his escape.

Escaped a nationwide manhunt with two bullets in him. Clung to a barge to escape Philly. Escaped several police and FBI cruisers and helicopters. Took out 4 guards on his way to visit the Russian as easy as breathing. Remained invisible in the end, in the snow, until all the other enemy snipers were taken out.

Counter-Intel: Unknown and not sure how this would factor into the fight. Was noted to be an expert in every aspect of combat and noted as being the very best of assassins in the worlds best assassination organization.

Not really a factor. Swagger is also an expert in all aspects of combat.

RJ,
Since you're avoiding doing it for Swagger, here is for 47.
If anyone can think of a better example for any of the above, please state them.

I just did.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
I posted above, so go at it with Swagger.
Your ridiculousness is getting offensive, stop making shit up.
ANSWER😮bviously ****ing not. There is more to making a shot than just a calibrated scope. You have to have balance, your breathing has to be right, the way you squeeze the trigger is a factor etc. etc. etc. You're showing your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to firing a rifle.
As noted above, 47 made that shot while standing up, he wasn't laying down with the rifle on a tripod. Pretty much makes him super-human in that aspect, as a 2.5+ mile shot in that position would factually be impossible. But hey, "it's in the movie."

Complete lack of knowledge? Dude, I grew up hunting and have fired all sorts of rifles. I am quite familiar with them, thank you, and how to shoot them. Of course you have to have balance, this is why they have sandbags at the firing range. Take a breath, hold it, and gently squeeze the trigger when you are ready to shoot. It's quite simple.

47 had no tripod, but he had it resting on the windowledge, same shit.

Ahsoka Tano Restricted

lol what's wrong with this guy. I really don't understand why he's so hung up on Swagger. I thought 'Shooter' was a very mediocre film. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate quite a few Mark Wahlberg films. Basketball Diaries was a favorite of mine. lol

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Placidity
That really is going to a new low RJ... I'd say its more sad than hilarious.

Right, maybe you should READ the debate instead of just spouting off.

Wait, I apologize, I am betting you have read it and are ignoring the facts like Robtard is.

More of your typical "You are wrong, I spot bullshitters" nonsense. Thats all you do, really.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, one shot. One shot that Swagger could also make if forced to.

Wait, what? He could make the shot if forced to? You speaking for him now?

Robtard Senor Member

Swagger could not make that shot, there is nothing in the movie that says so. The opposite actually. Stop making this stupid claim.

They were thugs, but they had guns and they were only several feet away from 47, even a moron could hit someone at that distance.

I don't recall seeing him miss. If you have proof, show it.

Those two policemen were no where as capable as that expert assassin.

You got it there, Swagger is shown to be the better at making home explosives. I just remembered that 47 implanted the African guy with c4 and set it to explode to kill his real target.

Swagger is good at evasion, but 47 clearly has it. He's all but unknown and has killed all over the world. This is shown and stated in the movie, the Scottish Interpol Agent says it and points to the map.

No, Swagger is an expert soldier and highly trained, but it is never shown or stated that he is an expert in all aspects of combat. Do you think Swagger is an expert at psychological warfare? STOP MAKING SHIT UP.

So, what have you? Swagger is better at making home explosives and comes close to a tie in evasion.

Placidity Chief Executive Officer

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, maybe you should READ the debate instead of just spouting off.
Wait, I apologize, I am betting you have read it and are ignoring the facts like Robtard is.

Oh, why just me and Robtard? I'm sure everyone else on this forum are "ignoring the facts" (or should I say "your facts"😉, since no one else agrees with your biased and irrational thinking.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

More of your typical "You are wrong, I spot bullshitters" nonsense. Thats all you do, really.

Show me where I have called you wrong without evidence? Thats right, I called your bs, and I showed you where. You were saying about ignoring facts?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Complete lack of knowledge? Dude, I grew up hunting and have fired all sorts of rifles. I am quite familiar with them, thank you, and how to shoot them. Of course you have to have balance, this is why they have sandbags at the firing range. Take a breath, hold it, and gently squeeze the trigger when you are ready to shoot. It's quite simple.
47 had no tripod, but he had it resting on the windowledge, same shit.

Yeah, you seem to think that if 47 handed that rifle to you or any regular guy, that shot could be made. Which is just so ****ing absurd, even for you.

Just watched it again, he did have a tripod, but was standing. Either way, no one could make that shot in real life, 2.5+ miles.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Wait, I apologize, I am betting you have read it and are ignoring the facts like Robtard is.

Which facts? No one could make a 2.5+ mile shot like that.

I see your tactic though, repeat the same implausible and outright retarded line of thought until the person you're debating gets sick of the nonsense, insults you for being a moron and then you can report.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Robtard
I see your tactic though, repeat the same implausible and outright retarded line of thought until the person you're debating gets sick of the nonsense, insults you for being a moron and then you can report.

Someone really needs to PM Raz about his behavior showing full blown evidence, oh nevermind, I got it.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Scythe
Someone really needs to PM Raz about his behavior showing full blown evidence, oh nevermind, I got it.

Na, it's cool on my end. He just has to do what he does, outrageous BS'ing and nonsense is just his thing in debates.

Sad really, he can be likeable when you're not debating and just messing around.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Robtard
Sad really, he can be likeable when you're not debating and just messing around.

I agree, a real chum most of the time, but I as well as a few others are just fed up, sorry.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Scythe
Wait, what? He could make the shot if forced to? You speaking for him now?

No, I am going on the act that he is quoted as being "the best", and that his knowledge of shooting is second to none.

And the fact that a sniper scope can be calibrated so that all one has to do is center the crosshairs on the target and fire when ready.

Scythe The Goat

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I am going on the act that he is quoted as being "the best", and that his knowledge of shooting is second to none.
And the fact that a sniper scope can be calibrated so that all one has to do is center the crosshairs on the target and fire when ready.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like an assumption.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Swagger could not make that shot, there is nothing in the movie that says so. The opposite actually. Stop making this stupid claim.
They were thugs, but they had guns and they were only several feet away from 47, even a moron could hit someone at that distance.
I don't recall seeing him miss. If you have proof, show it.
Those two policemen were no where as capable as that expert assassin.
You got it there, Swagger is shown to be the better at making home explosives. I just remembered that 47 implanted the African guy with c4 and set it to explode to kill his real target.
Swagger is good at evasion, but 47 clearly has it. He's all but unknown and has killed all over the world. This is shown and stated in the movie, the Scottish Interpol Agent says it and points to the map.
No, Swagger is an expert soldier and highly trained, but it is never shown or stated that he is an expert in all aspects of combat. Do you think Swagger is an expert at psychological warfare? STOP MAKING SHIT UP.
So, what have you? Swagger is better at making home explosives and comes close to a tie in evasion.

So 47 making ONE 4 km shot compared to Swagger taking out 70 men, probably at least half of which was via sniping.......you STILL think it is advantage 47?

It is INDEED shown that Swagger is an expert in all aspects of combat. What area is he lacking in?

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Scythe
I'm sorry, but that sounds like an assumption.

Which part? I assure you they are both accurate.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I am going on the act that he is quoted as being "the best", and that his knowledge of shooting is second to none.
And the fact that a sniper scope can be calibrated so that all one has to do is center the crosshairs on the target and fire when ready.

So could the best basketball three-point shooter make a basket from 2.5 miles away? No, because that shot isn't possible. The only reason 47 can do it is because he's a fictional character that is portrayed as being above human in capabilities.

LoL, this again? Why do you bring shit up that not only has been disproved, but you admitted it takes more than just a calibrated scope to make a sniper shot? If that's all it took, then Swagger wouldn't be anything special, now would he?

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So 47 making ONE 4 km shot compared to Swagger taking out 70 men, probably at least half of which was via sniping.......you STILL think it is advantage 47?
It is INDEED shown that Swagger is an expert in all aspects of combat. What area is he lacking in?

Let's see. All of Swagger's shots are feasibly possible of being reproduced in real life, despite their impressiveness. The shot that 47 made is factually impossible. So yeah, 47 is the far superior sniper as shown in the movie.

I specially asked you if you think Swagger is an expert at psychological warfare. So, is he? I said he's an expert soldier and a total badass, but it is not shown or stated that he is "an expert in all aspects of combat."

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, you seem to think that if 47 handed that rifle to you or any regular guy, that shot could be made. Which is just so ****ing absurd, even for you.
Just watched it again, he did have a tripod, but was standing. Either way, no one could make that shot in real life, 2.5+ miles.

His skill comes into play in the PLANNING of the shot. Once he has done the math in his head, once the calculations are done, all he has to do is execute, which is far easier.

Even Swagger, when he made that shot on the can of stew, made it look easy when it actually came to shooting. He is shown figuring out the distance and how much to adjust his scope, he does so, and all that is left is centering the crosshairs and squeezing the trigger.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
So could the best basketball three-point shooter make a basket from 2.5 miles away? No, because that shot isn't possible. The only reason 47 can do it is because he's a fictional character that is portrayed as being above human in capabilities.
LoL, this again? Why do you bring shit up that not only has been disproved, but you admitted it takes more than just a calibrated scope to make a sniper shot? If that's all it took, then Swagger wouldn't be anything special, now would he?

How do you figure that? He and 47 both are apparently well versed in sniping, they know how to guage distances and adjust their rifle accordingly, this is why they are who they are, killing machines.

You think 47 just picked up his rifle, centered the crosshairs and BLAM?