Originally posted by UtrigitaBe careful, you might wanna think twice before asking this. You sure you want an answer?
No I doesn't, that would be a inlogical scenario.But if you see anything that remotely suggest that 47 makes calculation etc before his shoot please by all means provide it. Again going by the movie, 47 didn't Swagger did.
Are you implying that 47's rifle shot a bullet that maintained it's forward trajectory from point A to point B? That the bullet never dropped?
Originally posted by ScytheGalaxy, universe, whatever.
What the hell?! It's actually a different Galaxy, but ok! If anything, Batman should be easier to cope with since it's based in our galaxy, time-frame, era, physics etc...etc...etc...
One could look at it that way, but I just cannot see someone doing all the shit he does and walking away every single time. It's like he thinks he is Bob Lee Swagger or sumthin.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Galaxy, universe, whatever.One could look at it that way, but I just cannot see someone doing all the shit he does and walking away every single time. It's like he thinks he is Bob Lee Swagger or sumthin.
Ahahaha! Not trying to be mean here, so sorry if I come off as so, but that post made me laugh so hard! Okay, that's coolio though, nice to know I suppose.
Although that explains ALOT.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Be careful, you might wanna think twice before asking this. You sure you want an answer?Are you implying that 47's rifle shot a bullet that maintained it's forward trajectory from point A to point B? That the bullet never dropped?
Yes.
What am I implying? I'm implying that from what we know 47 made a shot without previous calculations, Swagger however made calculation before perform a shot from 1 mile away. Again that is going by the movie my own personal opinion has no weight against what we see happen in the movie, though logic would say that 47 made calculation etc before the shot, point is that we doesn't see him make it, just like we doesn't see Swagger make a 2,4 mile shot suggesting that he can is speculation.
Originally posted by UtrigitaIf what you are implying is true, and I dont think anyone here will agree that it is, then you are saying that 47 has a rifle capable of firing a bullet that maintains it's forward momentum for the entire 4 km.
Yes.What am I implying? I'm implying that from what we know 47 made a shot without previous calculations, Swagger however made calculation before perform a shot from 1 mile away. Again that is going by the movie my own personal opinion has no weight against what we see happen in the movie, though logic would say that 47 made calculation etc before the shot, point is that we doesn't see him make it, just like we doesn't see Swagger make a 2,4 mile shot suggesting that he can is speculation.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Matter of opinion, man.
One guy makes one shot from a mile away another guy makes two shoots from 2,4 miles away which one is the best?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have already proven this, scene 2, watch it.
Then it will be no problem to repost it 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They were remotely activated after Swagger placed them.
That is correct, but that doesn't change the fact that Swagger didn't shoot them all down like you where implying.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Agreed, I cant see anyone retreating, fighting off 100 men, AND carrying that beast of a rifle.
No but again I can see him carry the little rifle he used in the beginning.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And what did 47 do then?
Duck, he had a .45 baller and no clear view of the Chopper.
Originally posted by UtrigitaOne guy takes out 70 men, many of which are surely sniped, all the while retreating and taking fire. Another takes out ONE man, while safely tucked away in a skyscraper. Which is better?
One guy makes one shot from a mile away another guy makes two shoots from 2,4 miles away which one is the best?
Then it will be no problem to repost it 🙂No, I am telling you to watch the scene, see for yourself.
That is correct, but that doesn't change the fact that Swagger didn't shoot them all down like you where implying.They died by Swagger's hand, doesn't matter how, he still killed them.
No but again I can see him carry the little rifle he used in the beginning.And he surely used this rifle to take out most of the 70 men chasing him.
Duck, he had a .45 baller and no clear view of the Chopper.Then why bring it up?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If what you are implying is true, and I dont think anyone here will agree that it is, then you are saying that 47 has a rifle capable of firing a bullet that maintains it's forward momentum for the entire 4 km.
Based on the movie that is what he did. Are you going to disagree with the movie now?
And again I find it highly unlikely that is what he did.
Do you think Swaggers bullet really penetrated the scope of the snipers rifle in the ending of the movie? Do you think Swaggers bullet traveled in a straight line in all those scenarios, notebly the last scene where he shoots of the guys arm? Of cause you doesn't, but that is what the movie is telling us, just like it appeared that Swaggers bullet traveled straight for a entire mile without dropping when he shot down the cola (we doesn't see him adjusting his scope does we?). I'm not sure what exactly my point with this is maybe I will figure it out as the day progress. What I think my point is, that when debating in a movie forum, then we sometimes have to accept things that appear inlogical (like the scooping for instance and yes I find the 4 kilometers inlogical too but that is what 47 does, I find a shoot from 1 mile inlogical too but that is what he does, I find it inlogical that a guy can defeat 70 man in a enviroment he is not known in etc.) We then begin analysing the situation, like the scooping for instance we can see that something must have happened prior to that else it's impossible. What we shouldn't begin questioning is statements we have no idea to know if they are true like the 4 kilometer and the 1 mile notebly. We are not discussing "trained in all aspect of combat" and "the very best" from 47 because there is nothing to discuss about it (no room for interpretations), what are to discussion are the "best" from Swagger simply because we interprete "best" in different ways, You (RJ) inteprete Swagger "the best" as him being the best in all aspect, we disagree because we find it logical that it was sniping that was being discussed hence it's a reference to sniping.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One guy takes out 70 men, many of which are surely sniped, all the while retreating and taking fire. Another takes out ONE man, while safely tucked away in a skyscraper. Which is better?
From unknown range and unknown circumstances? And it was two men 47 toke out, first the bodyguard then Belikov.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I am telling you to watch the scene, see for yourself.
Oh you mean watch the movie?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They died by Swagger's hand, doesn't matter how, he still killed them.
Just like the guys that tried to storm 47 died from the bomb? they died by 47 hand?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And he surely used this rifle to take out most of the 70 men chasing him.
Most likely yes, since he is a Sniper
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then why bring it up?
Because I remember you asking if 47 had engaged a chopper (ore something along that line) I responded with a scenario where he didn't have the required armament to engage a chopper.
Originally posted by UtrigitaYou do realize that you are insinuating that 47's rifle did all the work, you know that, right?
Based on the movie that is what he did. Are you going to disagree with the movie now?
And again I find it highly unlikely that is what he did.Watch the movie and see for yourself.
Do you think Swaggers bullet really penetrated the scope of the snipers rifle in the ending of the movie?Yup.
Do you think Swaggers bullet traveled in a straight line in all those scenarios, notebly the last scene where he shoots of the guys arm?Nope.
Of cause you doesn't, but that is what the movie is telling us, just like it appeared that Swaggers bullet traveled straight for a entire mile without dropping when he shot down the cola (we doesn't see him adjusting his scope does we?).Yes, yes we do.
I'm not sure what exactly my point with this is maybe I will figure it out as the day progress. What I think my point is, that when debating in a movie forum, then we sometimes have to accept things that appear inlogical (like the scooping for instance and yes I find the 4 kilometers inlogical too but that is what 47 does, I find a shoot from 1 mile inlogical too but that is what he does, I find it inlogical that a guy can defeat 70 man in a enviroment he is not known in etc.) We then begin analysing the situation, like the scooping for instance we can see that something must have happened prior to that else it's impossible. What we shouldn't begin questioning is statements we have no idea to know if they are true like the 4 kilometer and the 1 mile notebly. We are not discussing "trained in all aspect of combat" and "the very best" from 47 because that is what 47 shows and there is nothing to discuss about it (no room for interpretations), what are to discussion are the "best" from Swagger simply because we interprete "best" in different ways, You (RJ) inteprete Swagger "the best" as him being the best in all aspect, we disagree because we find it logical that it was sniping that was being discussed hence it's a reference to sniping.I interpret it at him being the bets sniper AND the best all around shooter. His actions do the rest.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You do realize that you are insinuating that 47's rifle did all the work, you know that, right?
Except we know that the rifle couldn't do all the work as mentioned by oure weapon expert some pages back, What I'm saying is that based on the movie, 47 just shoots without previous calculation etc. which from my point of view makes him a superior sniper.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Watch the movie and see for yourself.
We doesn't see him taking down 70 men only heard about it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yup.
Because that is what is shown correct? Because in a real scenario that is from what I know impossible, maybe oure weapons expert can confirm ore deni since I cannot find the youtube documentary.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nope.
Yet that is what we see it do a lot of times in the ending, notebly the first shot, it travels in a straight line no adjusting.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, yes we do.
Sorry my bad yes we do.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I interpret it at him being the bets sniper AND the best all around shooter. His actions do the rest.
The best sniper they can get yes, not the best in all aspects of combat, and not the very best.
Originally posted by UtrigitaRight, he guages the distance which he already knows to be 4 km, makes the necessary adjustments to the scope of his rifle, and executes. Calculations.
Except we know that the rifle couldn't do all the work as mentioned by oure weapon expert some pages back, What I'm saying is that based on the movie, 47 just shoots without previous calculation etc. which from my point of view makes him a superior sniper.
We doesn't see him taking down 70 men only heard about it.Thats what we go by here, what is shown and what is said about the combatants.
Because that is what is shown correct? Because in a real scenario that is from what I know impossible, maybe oure weapons expert can confirm ore deni since I cannot find the youtube documentary.Doesnt matter it was shown, so it counts.
Yet that is what we see it do a lot of times in the ending, notebly the first shot, it travels in a straight line no adjusting.There is alot of wind, so he had to adjust his shot.
Sorry my bad yes we do.Toldja so. ✅
The best sniper they can get yes, not the best in all aspects of combat, and not the very best.Best in the world, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, he guages the distance which he already knows to be 4 km, makes the necessary adjustments to the scope of his rifle, and executes. Calculations.
Not according if we go strictly by the movie which was my point, Ofcause we have no way of knowing what the trunk he blew up contained aside from his sniper rifle.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats what we go by here, what is shown and what is said about the combatants.
Yes but you asked me to watch the movie, and in there it is not shown that he take down 70 men, while fleeing, it's told he did it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Doesnt matter it was shown, so it counts.
Yes, hence it counts that 47 is a better sniper then Swagger because it's shown.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There is alot of wind, so he had to adjust his shot.
My point is that he isn't shown adjusting his first shot, so the bullet would just fly without falling like you said 47 did (the rifle does all the work), but never mind.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Best in the world, plain and simple.
That statement I would very much like proof of.
Originally posted by UtrigitaDude, as much as I am for Swagger, I am still a fan of Hitman, and I gotta say, you are kinda downplaying his knowledge and skill.
Not according if we go strictly by the movie which was my point, Ofcause we have no way of knowing what the trunk he blew up contained aside from his sniper rifle.
Yes but you asked me to watch the movie, and in there it is not shown that he take down 70 men, while fleeing, it's told he did it.Exactly, we are told he did it, therefore it is fact.
Yes, hence it counts that 47 is a better sniper then Swagger because it's shown.Told, shown, same shit, If it is in the movie, whether visual or verbal, it is fact.
My point is that he isn't shown adjusting his first shot, so the bullet would just fly without falling like you said 47 did (the rifle does all the work), but never mind.Again, you are totally ignoring the fact that 47 surely knew how long the shot was beforehand, and made the adjustments. If not, then it was all rifle.
That statement I would very much like proof of.It is stated in Shooter, therefore it is fact.
This is ridiculous.
47 is shown making a 4km shot.
Swagger is shown making a 1 mile shot, and in his reality, the 1 mile shot is almost a myth.
Someone had already shown that 47's rifle is inferior to the M200 intervention. So no, Swagger couldn't make a 4km shot with a inferior rifle if he couldn't do it with a better one.
I'm sure Swagger could beat Tiger Woods at golf too - if he had his golf club. I mean theres nothing to it right? just swing and hit the darn ball. Must be Wood's mystical golf club.
47's feats trumps Swagger's in terms of sniping. You admitted it before, then you keep going back and forth.
In the end, its just your illogical speculation, and not going by what is shown in the movie, which is against forum rules. Why a mod has not stepped in, I have no idea (or maybe I do).
No one engage RJ's lies that Swagger is a better sniper. You'll only encourage more BS, while getting frustrated at yourself for trying to use logic (and also trying very hard to explain this logic) to debate him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, as much as I am for Swagger, I am still a fan of Hitman, and I gotta say, you are kinda downplaying his knowledge and skill.
I know, I'm downplaying him now. However have I said that the incident is my own opinion on what happened ore have I asked you to look at the movie? My own personal opinion is that 47 given what he is, made the calculations in his head, adjusted his scope, and pulled the trigger.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, we are told he did it, therefore it is fact.
Have I said it wasn't fact?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Told, shown, same shit, If it is in the movie, whether visual or verbal, it is fact.
Glad we both accept the fact that 47 is a better sniper.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, you are totally ignoring the fact that 47 surely knew how long the shot was beforehand, and made the adjustments. If not, then it was all rifle.
All I'm saying is that according to the movie, he made the shot without any prior need of calculations and adjustments he simply made it which is a testemony to his skill. Of cause as mentioned before time and time again we (all of us) know that this most isn't true.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It is stated in Shooter, therefore it is fact.
That he is the
Best in the world, plain and simpleis never stated I would like proof.