Originally posted by PlacidityJust saying, you have a tendency to just say "you are full of shit, you are wrong, I can spot bullshitters." and leave it at that.
Oh, why just me and Robtard? I'm sure everyone else on this forum are "ignoring the facts" (or should I say "your facts"😉, since no one else agrees with your biased and irrational thinking.Show me where I have called you wrong without evidence? Thats right, I called your bs, and I showed you where. You were saying about ignoring facts?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How do you figure that? He and 47 both are apparently well versed in sniping, they know how to guage distances and adjust their rifle accordingly, this is why they are who they are, killing machines.You think 47 just picked up his rifle, centered the crosshairs and BLAM?
They are, but 47 is shown to be above human capable, it's an aspect of the character. He's based off a video game, that should be a hint.
Yes, that is what is shown, which is what we go by. Remember, Hitman is supposed to be action-fantasy (key word, FANTASY*), Shooter is supposed to be action but they kept the aspects of the movie set in real life for the most part.
*Super assassins trained from birth to be the ultimate killing machines don't really exist.
Originally posted by RobtardI guess I can agree with that, but there are some scenes, some things Swagger does, that makes you say "Hey, I call BS on that one." You gotta admit that.
They are, but 47 is shown to be above human capable, it's an aspect of the character. He's based off a video game, that should be a hint.Yes, that is what is shown, which is what we go by. Remember, Hitman is supposed to be action-fantasy (key word, FANTASY*), Shooter is supposed to be action but they kept the aspects of the movie set in real life for the most part.
*Super assassins trained from birth to be the ultimate killing machines don't really exist.
Originally posted by RobtardI have admitted several times, here included, that fiction only goes so far with me when it is a movie based on reality (this world.)
Of course, as I don't think there's any one soldier that could accomplish all that. But he certainly isn't portrayed to the levels of fiction that 47 is.
I can watch SW and accept pretty much what I see because its a different universe.
I really need to stop overanalyzing movies.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You really think that Swagger, if given the same rifle 47 used, or even with his own rifle, has no chance of making the same shot? After all that is said about him in the movie? After all the knowledge he displayed of shooting?You are missing the point. 47 shot Belikov with the crosshairs centered on Belikov's forehead. Let's say a regular guy is there with 47, someone who has shot rifles before, but with no formal sniper training, and 47 calibrates the scope for the shot so that the crosshairs need only be centered on the targets forehead. You think the normal guy can make the shot?
no...swagger wouldn't make the shot...because as i said...the shot is impossible in reality...i'm sure in a movie then yes swagger would make the shot because what would be the point in making a film about a sniper who misses?
not to mention people who are trained in sniping dont do long distance shots to the head...they aim for the body...they only aim for the head at distances around <800 yards (military snipers anyway)
Originally posted by jaden101Swagger apparently skipped this day of basic training haermm
no...swagger wouldn't make the shot...because as i said...the shot is impossible in reality...i'm sure in a movie then yes swagger would make the shot because what would be the point in making a film about a sniper who misses?not to mention people who are trained in sniping dont do long distance shots to the head...they aim for the body...they only aim for the head at distances around <800 yards (military snipers anyway)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have admitted several times, here included, that fiction only goes so far with me when it is a movie based on reality (this world.)
Taking a swim under water (for quite awhile I'd assume) while losing alot of blood after getting shot twice is what I would call borderline impossible in the real world. You don't see anyone discrediting this feat though, cause its in the movie.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I can watch SW and accept pretty much what I see because its a different universe.
Oh but it is in the same universe - just "in a galaxy far far away".
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have admitted several times, here included, that fiction only goes so far with me when it is a movie based on reality (this world.)I can watch SW and accept pretty much what I see because its a different universe.
I really need to stop overanalyzing movies.
When you watch Dark Knight, are you going to sit there and be appalled because of the implausibility?
So, you see how Swagger while also fictional and impressive wouldn't be a match to the likes of Agent 47 who is supposed to be all that and more?
Originally posted by Robtard
When you watch Dark Knight, are you going to sit there and be appalled because of the implausibility?So, you see how Swagger while also fictional and impressive wouldn't be a match to the likes of Agent 47 who is supposed to be all that and more?
Havent seen TDK yet. Its about Batman, that in itself if way the hell out there for me.
And no, I am still believing that Swagger would take 47 out. The sheer numbers of baddies he took out blows me away.
Originally posted by Utrigitaso you think 47 just loaded his rifle, took aim, and kablooey? WOW.
Apparently second to 47's. With suffiant calculation etc, is he capable of making a shot from a mile away, 47 is, again based on the movie, capable of making a shot without calculations from 4 kilometers.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, he rolled the dice and didn't crap out.
Under unknown circumstances by all accounts based on this shoot this guy is better then swagger.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, it is quoted as 100 men.
Proof please.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The FBI agent did crap during Swagger's visit to the Russian, he shot one man from what I remember, so I was wrong, it was 27, not 28 men that Swagger killed.
You forget the pipbombs and those that worked like molitovcocktails.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger was retreating from trained soldiers on their turf, he had to run at least 8 miles (if I remember correctly he and Donnie were 8 miles behind enemy lines, or was it km?) Safe to say that he didn't take out all 70 men with a sniper rifle. CERTAINLY he left that .50 cal there, it's not exactly ideal to carry while under pursuit.
Most likely he left the .50 caliber there, but luckily the one he used to snipe with in the beginning was much more easy to carry around.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger is very sane, he was forced into a bad situation against a chopper, and won, simple as that.
As was 47, when a Chopper appeared right outside of his window in the church.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you think 47 just loaded his rifle, took aim, and kablooey? WOW.
No I doesn't, that would be a inlogical scenario.
But if you see anything that remotely suggest that 47 makes calculation etc before his shoot please by all means provide it. Again going by the movie, 47 didn't Swagger did.
Originally posted by UtrigitaMatter of opinion, man.
Under unknown circumstances by all accounts based on this shoot this guy is better then swagger.
Proof please.I have already proven this, scene 2, watch it.
You forget the pipbombs and those that worked like molitovcocktails.They were remotely activated after Swagger placed them.
Most likely he left the .50 caliber there, but luckily the one he used to snipe with in the beginning was much more easy to carry around.Agreed, I cant see anyone retreating, fighting off 100 men, AND carrying that beast of a rifle.
As was 47, when a Chopper appeared right outside of his window in the church.And what did 47 do then?