Ryu vs Cloud Strife

Originally posted by Terryc250
1. No, Clouds special is Clouds strength, and Gouki's special is Gouki's strength, and [b]NOT Ryu's strength

2. Harness ki and project it, sure, several characters in FF7 can do it, both GOuki and Oro are faar more skilled then Ryu, Ryu has never shown anything close to beable to "split mountains" Cloud has been training to be in Soldier, though he never was skilled until he took Zacks assumed Zacks role, Zack in terms of feats has displayed far more skill then Ryu has ever shown, the only basis you can claim Ryu is more skilled is that "he trained since he was young", hell, so did Floyd Mayweather, should we say Floyd Mayweather is more skilled then Zack? From what we've seen Zack is more skilled then Ryu, now add Zacks skill to Cloud, give all the event of FF7, and Cloud is most likely more skilled then Ryu.

3. Im not sure what the name is, but i remember seeing his special where he raises one arm up, charges, then slams it down creating a shockwave. [/B]

2. Ryu is skilled enough by the time of SF4 to give Gouki a fight. Ryu trains constantly. And actually...Yeah, Floyd Mayweather probably is more skilled than Zack in terms of H2H...He just doesn't have those things calls superhuman attributes. That's really all Zack has. Superhuman attributes with some skill in H2H and blades. Cloud has nothing to say he is more skilled than Ryu. Neither does Zack.

3. Different move. Said move is meant to cut, as shown when it split Ayers Rock in half. Also, did not have said move when he destroyed the island.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
ShinRa soldiers cannot even lift Zack's sword.

I still think Cloud wins this since this is pretty much spite.

Why exactly is Ryu more durable than Cloud? Is it because he takes "Island Sinking" punches? There better me more evidence to support this since you know...Cloud gets slammed into buildings by Sephiroth in Advent Children.

Considering all the Command, Magic and Summon materia Cloud has to master I really doubt Ryu is that more skilled. He is more skilled in hand to hand, but compared to Cloud who wields a giant buster swords, casts status effect, elemental magic and even summons Ryu is like a puppy,

Pretty much

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Typo. People say Ryu's specials are not his base strength.

2. Ryu is skilled enough by the time of SF4 to give Gouki a fight. Ryu trains constantly. And actually...Yeah, Floyd Mayweather probably is more skilled than Zack in terms of H2H...He just doesn't have those things calls superhuman attributes. That's really all Zack has. Superhuman attributes with some skill in H2H and blades. Cloud has nothing to say he is more skilled than Ryu. Neither does Zack.

3. Different move. Said move is meant to cut, as shown when it split Ayers Rock in half. Also, did not have said move when he destroyed the island.

1. So give us some of Ryu's special physical moves that are comparable to Clouds

2. Well Gouki has no combat feats really, his feats come from him doing some crazy special by himself, Ryu has never taken any of those special, nor has Gouki ever used it against Ryu, and no Floyd Mayweather is not skilled in H2H as Zack is, do you think Floyd Mayweather has the H2H skills to do this? (5:00 - 5:30)
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Can Ryu even do that with a smile on his face and without breaking a sweat? Feats show more then "training since he was young" Ryu has never shown anything very impressive.

3. Just because it was able to split the mountain, doesnt mean the purpose of the move is to "cut", maybe if it was on a different ground it would create a shockwave.

Originally posted by Terryc250
1. So give us some of Ryu's special physical moves that are comparable to Clouds

2. Well Gouki has no combat feats really, his feats come from him doing some crazy special by himself, Ryu has never taken any of those special, nor has Gouki ever used it against Ryu, and no Floyd Mayweather is not skilled in H2H as Zack is, do you think Floyd Mayweather has the H2H skills to do this? (5:00 - 5:30)
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Can Ryu even do that with a smile on his face and without breaking a sweat? Feats show more then "training since he was young" Ryu has never shown anything very impressive.

3. Just because it was able to split the mountain, doesnt mean the purpose of the move is to "cut", maybe if it was on a different ground it would create a shockwave.

2. A normal punch destroyed an island. Ryu has taken Gouki's punches. Gouki with the Shun Goku no Satsu can one shot nearly anyone in SF, only Gen survived, and he did it by emptying his mind or some bullshit. ...Dude, you payed no attention to what I just said did you? Floyd can't do that, why? CAUSE HE'S NOT SUPERHUMAN. Flash could have done that, killed Sephiroth, Zack, Cloud, and Genesis all in a second, does that make him as skilled as them? No. Well, since he has the speed to fight with Gouki, who in canon has traveled 1,000 meters in a few seconds while kicking a ship in half, Ryu can take Gouki's punches which>bullets, Ryu has been stated to be able to easily dodge bullets, he has strength to support over 20 tons during training with Oro, and he has t3h energy blasts, yeah, he could do sumthin similar.

Could Zack have fought with Gouki in H2H? No, I really do not think so.

3. We have one canon depiction of the technique, which showed it cutting, but we assume that's not its purpose? And besides, he still did not have that move when he destroyed the island.

So now people can redesign the power of a move?

Originally posted by Classic NES
So now people can redesign the power of a move?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm not really, because its a wide sword heavy sword, does not mean it magically cuts everything it comes in contact with, again if that was true when he stabbed it into the building and stood on the edge, the sword did not budge or cut through the building, that basically proves its no magical insane sharp sword. Just because it contains more then one blade inside it, does not mean its a magically sharp sword.

Because its common sense, no human has the strength to cut through a thick tree with a katana, do you really know how hard it is? I happen to personally have a katana, and i know this might sound a bit ridiculous but ive tried cutting through a wooden chair, i cut at the seat part and just getting it to cut in about an inch was insanely difficult.

It means it has an enormous chance to cut, it means that its more likely to be the power and sharp edge of the sword allowing these cuts than Clouds strength, sure Cloud is strong but his Sword is doing a lot more work in the cut, its a wide, heavy many bladed weapon of seemingly fantasy metal.

Who said anything about a Katana?, also how do you know your Katana is sharpened to the level of cutting through the tree? also take into account skill with a sword is important, knowing where to cut, a guy doesnt smash bricks with a chop because hes strong, he does it because he knows the technique, if you cant cut a chair then your simply not using it properly, the Katana is not a real Katana and is a ceremonial object or simply isnt sharp, whats common sense is that swords of any kind have been designed to slice through harder objects than chairs and succeeded across time and its not because all the soldiers using them have super strength.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
think about this, the sword cloud WIELDS like it was a light stick, is infact a 6 foot tall, body length thick and wide piece of pure metal! NO human in the world cann lift that much weight let alone wield it around like it was nuthing. furthermore, the physical blade itself has an edge that grows EXTREMELY wide, which means that when he actually CUTS through things, irrespective of the sharpness that the actual EDGE makes, the widening sweep exerts a LOT of force when he is cutting through sumthing{a bit like the sword of kisame from naruto} and yet he is able to easily slice through things. aloso remember, that a BLUNT BLOW{which DIDNT CUT} was able to throw bahamut down the city scape with sheer FORCE, it has nuthing to do with cutting power. honestly, i cant beleive this is even being discussed, cloud outclasses a character like ryuu on so many TITANIC levels that this fight is a ridiculous mismatch. cloud destroyes everything around ryuu and ryuu himself, no prob.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Stop posting uncanon stuff?

Originally posted by Terryc250
You might as well post Gouki smashing a meteor twice the size of earth and making it his real feat.

Capcom said that that movie is "how they would fight unrestricted by a 2d gaming engine".

Deedeedeeeee

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where has it been stated that the 1st tsurugi or buster sword is some magical uber sharp sword? If it was that sharp Cloud wouldn't be able to stand on it after he stabbed it into the building

Originally posted by Classic NES
"buTZ qa cOlioudz cAn jhumpo has high as Tha Hulkc!!!111"

Originally posted by Peach

And Vampire Savior, unless it specifically says in the first post of the thread (which it doesn't here), non-canon sources are not allowed

Originally posted by Peach
This means nothing outside of the actual games.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime

I still think Cloud wins this since this is pretty much spite.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Why exactly is Ryu more durable than Cloud? Is it because he takes "Island Sinking" punches? There better me more evidence to support this since you know...Cloud gets slammed into buildings by Sephiroth in Advent Children.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Considering all the Command, Magic and Summon materia Cloud has to master I really doubt Ryu is that more skilled. He is more skilled in hand to hand, but compared to Cloud who wields a giant buster swords, casts status effect, elemental magic and even summons Ryu is like a puppy,

Originally posted by Classic NES
Pretty much

😆 😂 🤣 It really tickles me that peeps is sayin Akuma used a special to destroy the island when it clearly shows'im learnin it like 10+ years later.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It means it has an enormous chance to cut, it means that its more likely to be the power and sharp edge of the sword allowing these cuts than Clouds strength, sure Cloud is strong but his Sword is doing a lot more work in the cut, its a wide, heavy many bladed weapon of seemingly fantasy metal.

Who said anything about a Katana?, also how do you know your Katana is sharpened to the level of cutting through the tree? also take into account skill with a sword is important, knowing where to cut, a guy doesnt smash bricks with a chop because hes strong, he does it because he knows the technique, if you cant cut a chair then your simply not using it properly, the Katana is not a real Katana and is a ceremonial object or simply isnt sharp, whats common sense is that swords of any kind have been designed to slice through harder objects than chairs and succeeded across time and its not because all the soldiers using them have super strength.

If you can only cut through an inch of a chair with a katana, it either is not sharp, or you just suck at using them my friend.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior

Cloud is not stompin Ryu...he's gonna win but not in a stomp, unless he is fully equiped.

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I think SBP scenario mention Materia.

I can agree with materia Ryu's chances drop very quickly.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I think SBP scenario mention Materia.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
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Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
why don't ryu just incinerate hugo with his shinkuu hadouken? it will be over in a matter of second.

You know damn well Ryu doesn't fight to kill.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
repeat : maybe yes maybe no.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
bahamut doesn't have any cutting damage.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
don't try to throw a dirt. your last statement is full of bullshit.

vampire, simple question, can ryu take on beings like omega and chaos and bizaaro sephiroth and jenova life?????????????????????????????

simple answer,NOT A CHANCE IN HELL! mountain destroying punches wont mean anything, the sephiroth in advent children was transforming the entire planet as well as all the life force on it.

How does transforming= destroying?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
vampire, simple question, can ryu take on beings like omega and chaos and bizaaro sephiroth and jenova life?????????????????????????????

simple answer,NOT A CHANCE IN HELL! mountain destroying punches wont mean anything, the sephiroth in advent children was transforming the entire planet as well as all the life force on it.

Jenova and Bizzaro? Sure.

ryuu can take on jenovah and bizaaro?! have u lost ur mind?!

cloud isnt weaker than chaos or omega.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It means it has an enormous chance to cut, it means that its more likely to be the power and sharp edge of the sword allowing these cuts than Clouds strength, sure Cloud is strong but his Sword is doing a lot more work in the cut, its a wide, heavy many bladed weapon of seemingly fantasy metal.

Who said anything about a Katana?, also how do you know your Katana is sharpened to the level of cutting through the tree? also take into account skill with a sword is important, knowing where to cut, a guy doesnt smash bricks with a chop because hes strong, he does it because he knows the technique, if you cant cut a chair then your simply not using it properly, the Katana is not a real Katana and is a ceremonial object or simply isnt sharp, whats common sense is that swords of any kind have been designed to slice through harder objects than chairs and succeeded across time and its not because all the soldiers using them have super strength.

No human can cut through a tree with a katana in one strike, its impossible, even lumberjacks with their axes don't cut even an inch with each cut, they take like 100 strikes to cut down a tree

Lol. Capcom never said Akuma could do that, unlike the feats in the SFA movie which Ryu accomplishes.

Capcom said that that movie is "how they would fight unrestricted by a 2d gaming engine".

Deedeedeeeee

In thier profiles...

Again, you cannot state these things without actual evidence.

^terry the buster sword is FAR FAR heavier than simply 200 pounds. id say with the thikness and the length that it cud easily be around or upwards of a ton in wieght.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ryuu can take on jenovah and bizaaro?! have u lost ur mind?!

cloud isnt weaker than chaos or omega.

2. ...Yeah he is. 😬

Their feats are FAR greater than Clouds. In all ways.

And the Buster Sword isn't a ton. I would say AT BEST it is 400 pounds.