Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
vampire savior state that ryu's hadouken could destroy a skyscraper, and even incinerate people. I'm only asking how could a well landed kick incinerate someone and you thought I'm thinking ryu fight to kill.
These post get worst and worst. . .Why in Gods green earth are you comparing Satsu No Ryu feats to regular Ryu? Also, Ryu's Hadouken is not a well landed kick, that just how it feels like when it hits.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Blue energy that was called a regular Shoryuken with no flames at all, Chun-li performed none of her trademark supers. . .none And, Ryu who could have done a simple Shinkuu Hadouken which worked really well against Sadler. For some magical reason could not use it against the Cyborg. . .PIS.Ry turning Sastu No Hadou was nothing more than plot. Because Canonically speaking he only transform into him when he wants to win so bad. It makes no sense that he had to turn to him when he did not even explore alll his powers.
Street wise has never been stated to be canon.
It becomes a different Hadouken depending on what energy he puts on it. . . Why is that so hard to get, he can alter hadouken at anytime.
then why don't ken just used his flaming shoryuken or maybe shoryu reppa for the win? you can see ken want to win so badly. he used every of his energy till he can't even stand up anymore. but if it's just a PIS then there's nothing I can do anymore.
alright then.
streetwise is canon. you can check tiamat's plot guide and you'll see kyle and cody's plot. you won't find any non-canon character such as garuda, area, volcano russo, etc.
how did you know about that? no matter how many times ryu shoot a hadouken, it's just feels like a well landed kick unless capcom stated ryu's hadouken had been evolved into kamehameha like and could incinerate people and even planet.
These post get worst and worst. . .Why in Gods green earth are you comparing Satsu No Ryu feats to regular Ryu? Also, Ryu's Hadouken is not a well landed kick, that just how it feels like when it hits.
you're right. that's how it's feels when you got hit by a hadouken. and there's no "well landed kick" could incinerate someone. the only thing left after you got hit by a "well landed kick" is a pain which take a lot of time to recover from it.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
then why don't ken just used his flaming shoryuken or maybe shoryu reppa for the win? you can see ken want to win so badly. he used every of his energy till he can't even stand up anymore. but if it's just a PIS then there's nothing I can do anymore.
You just answered your own question mate. That Shoryuken Ken did on the cyborg was a regular Shoryuken. Hell, it's not even his trademark Shoryuken.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuumastreetwise is canon. you can check tiamat's plot guide and you'll see kyle and cody's plot. you won't find any non-canon character such as garuda, area, volcano russo, etc.
The plot guide has included things which may not be to be canon like Final Fight Revenge. Street wise place in canon is unknown since Capcom didn't confirm it to be canon nor do they care since the Street Fighter Timeline is well dead [Plot guide confirms it] . People like Garuda and Volcano Russo weren't made by Capcom which is why they aren't in guide since Street Fighter EX was made by Akira and those characters are Akira original characters.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
how did you know about that? no matter how many times ryu shoot a hadouken, it's just feels like a well landed kick unless capcom stated ryu's hadouken had been evolved into kamehameha like and could incinerate people.you're right. that's how it's feels when you got hit by a hadouken. and there's no "well landed kick" could incinerate someone. the only thing left after you got hit by a "well landed kick" is a pain which take a lot of time to recover from it.
Your being silly now, it feels like a kick is not equal to being a kick. That's just the feeling you get when you are hit and the effect's vary depending on how you manipulate Ki.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuumasatsui no hadou ryu is supposed to have gouki's power. and we have an example of gouki's hadouken in SF4 trailer.
Yeah, like when he threw flaming Hadoukens which set the area on fire.
I've added some numbers within your post in order not to confuse my answer.
Originally posted by Classic NES
1. You just answered your own question mate. That Shoryuken Ken did on the cyborg was a regular Shoryuken. Hell, it's not even his trademark Shoryuken.2. The plot guide has included things which may not be to be canon like Final Fight Revenge. Street wise place in canon is unknown since Capcom didn't confirm it to be canon nor do they care since the Street Fighter Timeline is well dead [Plot guide confirms it] . People like Garuda and Volcano Russo weren't made by Capcom which is why they aren't in guide since Street Fighter EX was made by Akira and those characters are Akira original characters.
3. Your being silly now, it feels like a kick is not equal to being a kick. That's just the feeling you get when you are hit and the effect's vary depending on how you manipulate Ki.
4. Yeah, like when he threw flaming Hadoukens which set the area on fire.
1. you know ken used everything he had to punch that cyborg. if he has more, then he'll used shoryu reppa to strike that robot and win. stupid ken. and whatever, I doubt ken even has shoryu reppa, shinryuken at that time.
2. garuda and the others are still SF characters but they aren't canon. final fight streetwise takes places 10 years after FF timeline. this is what I get from plot guide :
Timeline and Canon Games
This is the order that the games within the Street Fighter plot's
universe takes place. The majority of these dates are official statements.Muscle Bomber/Duo (1981, probably, going by Haggar's age)
Super Muscle Bomber (1982, probably. Ditto)
Street Fighter & Final Fight 1 (1987. FF1 stated to take place during SF1.)
Final Fight 2/Street Fighter Zero 1&2 (late 1987 thru early 1989: Guy wasn't
in FF2 because he was training, FF2 took place 1 year after FF1)Street Fighter Zero 3 (1989 thru early 1990. Double Upper is the latest
version)Final Fight 3 (1991 is most likely)
Street Fighter 2 (1993. X Revival is latest version)
Street Fighter 4 A New Beginning (pending release in 2008)
Street Fighter 3 New Generation and SF3 Second Impact (1998. Second
Impact replaces New Generation)Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (1999. This is SF3's epilogue)
Final Fight Streetwise (2006 going by release date. Lots of evidence
that it takes place waaaaaay after Final Fight 1, and the urban culture is
likely intended to be based around this date as well.)
3. what an awesome logic you have. what did you feel after you got hit by a kick? a pain? yes. you feel you lost you entire body? what kind of "kicks" is that? that's kamehameha! the only explanation how could ryu's hadouken disintegrate that cyborg is SFA the movie was directed by dragonball veteran Shigeyasu Yamauchi.
4. ever heard of forest fire? that fire were spread quickly by those grass. no surprise here.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma1. you know ken used everything he had to punch that cyborg.
Even though he didn't use any of his Super arts and didn't draw out any fire he somehow used everything he had?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
if he has more, then he'll used shoryu reppa to strike that robot and win. stupid ken.
Which is why it's PIS, he didn't use them despite the fact that those moves are part of his canon power-set. That's what PIS is mate.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
and whatever, I doubt ken even has shoryu reppa, shinryuken at that time.
He's had those moves since Alpha, either that's a weaker version of Ken or PIS. . .Your call. Besides it's still PIS because Ryu didn't even use his Shinkuu Hadouken against the cyborg.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
2. garuda and the others are still SF characters but they aren't canon.
They weren't made by Capcom that's not a hard concept mane.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
final fight streetwise takes places 10 years after FF timeline. this is what I get from plot guide :
I'll concede that point since streetwise is canon due to being made by Capcom USa who has the license of Street Fighter.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
3. what an awesome logic you have. what did you feel after you got hit by a kick? a pain? yes. you feel you lost you entire body? what kind of "kicks" is that? that's kamehameha! the only explanation how could ryu's hadouken disintegrate that cyborg is SFA the movie was directed by dragonball veteran Shigeyasu Yamauchi.
How many times do I have to say that the effect can be altered by the wielder? It's not rocket science or even complicated. They can change the effect of the Hadouken, never mind that A blast of Ki can feel like whatever the practitioner trains it to be. Sort of how Sagat can make his Tiger Shot feel like getting mauled by a Tiger, does that mean it has an actual Tiger in it? Hadouken is energy just like any projectile, it's effect varies.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
4. ever heard of forest fire? that fire were spread quickly by those grass. no surprise here.
How did the fire get their in the first place? Obviously, the projectile contained a flame in the first place. That's simple common sense.
Even though he didn't use any of his Super arts and didn't draw out any fire he somehow used everything he had?
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
why are you obsessing about flames?
Because that's his trademark move. friend.
Originally posted by Sado22
for one it was everything he had in him in one move
Which is silly considering he had so much in his arsenal and used none of it. Ken choosing to get fvcked up then use his full moveset is silly PIS.
Originally posted by Sado22
secondly, did you see the amount of ki that he unleased. and finally, i think it was the shinryuken anyway given that the not only was the pillar of ki formed but also he spun around like he does in that move. just cuz he didn't draw out any fire doesn't make the move weaker...especially given that he drew out more ki than any hadouken that he has ever pulled out. the amount of ki unleasehd was insane.~Sado
1.It couldn't have been Shinryuken because he said Shoryuken! really loud.
2. He wasn't spinning like he does in a Shinryuken
3. The amount of Ki he releases doesn't change the fact that he never uses the moves that are his strongest.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. Cloud never even friggin fought Omega. Omega wasn't even IN FFVII. So we go by the BS statistics in FFVII gameplay? Or do we go by Vincent's feats in DoC which crush Cloud's? Cloud is the strongest in the world now, considering all the weapons(Chaos included) are gone and Sephiroth is gone. And Ultima is an unconfirmed battle, we don't even know if they ever fought.
nope,and nope. cloud along with his team also beat ultima and omega, and remember, that the chaos limit break wasnt as powerful as the omnisash limit break. also, cloud is strongest in his world. sephiroth was initially, but he lost.
i wud say its at WORST, 1600 pounds. the sword{not the one cloud had in advent children} is thicker than his upper arm, almost wider tahn his chest, and as tall as him. that much solid steal/metal is easily a ton.
2. Nah.
Originally posted by Classic NES
1. Even though he didn't use any of his Super arts and didn't draw out any fire he somehow used everything he had?2. Which is why it's PIS, he didn't use them despite the fact that those moves are part of his canon power-set. That's what PIS is mate.
3. He's had those moves since Alpha, either that's a weaker version of Ken or PIS. . .Your call. Besides it's still PIS because Ryu didn't even use his Shinkuu Hadouken against the cyborg.
4. They weren't made by Capcom that's not a hard concept mane.
5. I'll concede that point since streetwise is canon due to being made by Capcom USa who has the license of Street Fighter.
6. How many times do I have to say that the effect can be altered by the wielder? It's not rocket science or even complicated. They can change the effect of the Hadouken, never mind that A blast of Ki can feel like whatever the practitioner trains it to be. Sort of how Sagat can make his Tiger Shot feel like getting mauled by a Tiger, does that mean it has an actual Tiger in it? Hadouken is energy just like any projectile, it's effect varies.
7. How did the fire get their in the first place? Obviously, the projectile contained a flame in the first place. That's simple common sense.
1. tell me, when did a shoryuken created such a energy pillar? that's not normal shoryuken. and ryu can't used his shinkuu hadouken until the final scene.
2&3. call it what you want. PIS or not, the fact is they didn't used their strongest moves except ryu in the final scene, ken used everything he had into one shoryuken.
4. right. they weren't made by capcom.
5. alright.
6. proof it to me when did the effects changed in canon stories. if what you mean altered effects are shakunetsu or denjin, it's still makes senses. but if you mean altered form felt like a well landed kick into disintegrating laser, you have to think again.
I thought I never said it was an actual kick. hadoueken isn't a kick but you'll feel like kicked. do you know the difference between actual and feel? just like tenma ougi in wind of pegasus manga, he got kicked by murasame, he feels like got hit by a giant log(volume 1).
7. because that projectile has a fire then it could burn those grasses. gouki used shakunetsu hadouken and not regular hadouken.
Because that's his trademark move. friend.
Which is silly considering he had so much in his arsenal and used none of it. Ken choosing to get fvcked up then use his full moveset is silly PIS.
~Sado
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Cloud never even friggin fought Omega. Omega wasn't even IN FFVII. So we go by the BS statistics in FFVII gameplay? Or do we go by Vincent's feats in DoC which crush Cloud's? Cloud is the strongest in the world now, considering all the weapons(Chaos included) are gone and Sephiroth is gone. And Ultima is an unconfirmed battle, we don't even know if they ever fought.2. Nah.
sorry, i meant ultima and ruby weapon. both had nearl worl ending attacks. it isnt BS, bizaaro sephiroth was going to destroy the world, and sephiroth in advent children was already taking control of the entire planet and raining down that planet wide black miasma.
cloud is the strongest followed by sephiroth/full jenova, omega/ruby, chaos/sephiroth's twins.
2. yup, i practiced with swords so i shud know a thing or two. a hunnk of metal that wide and thick and long with no holes etc, easily weighs a ton. {god man, havent you ever seen dumbles and stuff?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
tell me, when did a shoryuken created such a energy pillar?
Canonically speaking no Shoryuken looks like that, but that might be due to game restriction. It could be Ken gathering Ki for his Shoryuken or a special effect. Doesn't change the fact that How a pillar of energy=/= Shinryuken or Kens Strongest Shoryuken since it has fire.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
that's not normal shoryuken. and ryu can't used his shinkuu hadouken until the final scene.
You have any proof of that?
And, if he can't than that's a weaker version of Ryu.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma2&3. call it what you want. PIS or not, the fact is they didn't used their strongest moves except ryu in the final scene, ken used everything he had into one shoryuken.
I'm not denying that they didn't use their strongest moves. That's my argument which I pointed out. Everything Ken had in that movie was weak then, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
proof it to me when did the effects changed in canon stories. if what you mean altered effects are shakunetsu or denjin, it's still makes senses. but if you mean altered form felt like a well landed kick into disintegrating laser, you have to think again.
Yeah, like the way Ryu adds heat with Shakunetsu or Electricity with Denjin. They can change the temperature or properties of their attack by manipulating it.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I thought I never said it was an actual kick. hadoueken isn't a kick but you'll feel like kicked. do you know the difference between actual and feel? just like tenma ougi in wind of pegasus manga, he got kicked by murasame, he feels like got hit by a giant log(volume 1).
It just goes to prove my point that if Ki can feel different ways depending on how it's used and can have various effects. Than what's the problem here?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
7. because that projectile has a fire then it could burn those grasses. gouki used shakunetsu hadouken and not regular hadouken.
And, we know that Satsu No Ryu uses a regular Hadouken because?
Originally posted by Sado22
right...and did ryu shinkuu hadouken to disintegrate the badguy even though it was the beam right outta X-men VS SF?meh, conceded.
ken didn't do a specials cuz supers werent there in the anime. no one did those specials (which probably goes to show you how full of shite, uncanon and unreliabe in terms of feat the movie really was. been saying it since i got here). stupid anime.~Sado
Come on Sado, We all know that the anime had problems. A little kid beating Zangief, No Supers, No Charlie and Stupid plot. But, the abilities were said to vary in canon. Shinkuu Hadouken is probably very different from regular Hadouken due to the fact that it channels Vacuum energy.
Originally posted by Classic NES
1. Canonically speaking no Shoryuken looks like that, but that might be due to game restriction. It could be Ken gathering Ki for his Shoryuken or a special effect. Doesn't change the fact that How a pillar of energy=/= Shinryuken or Kens Strongest Shoryuken since it has fire.2. You have any proof of that?
And, if he can't than that's a weaker version of Ryu.
3. I'm not denying that they didn't use their strongest moves. That's my argument which I pointed out. Everything Ken had in that movie was weak then, plain and simple.
4. Yeah, like the way Ryu adds heat with Shakunetsu or Electricity with Denjin. They can change the temperature or properties of their attack by manipulating it.
5. It just goes to prove my point that if Ki can feel different ways depending on how it's used and can have various effects. Than what's the problem here?
6. And, we know that Satsu No Ryu uses a regular Hadouken because?
1. what a crap. don't try to overhype ken. you saw ken using his shoryuken at his ending and you see there's no flames at all. my conclusion : no super special moves, no flaming shoryuken. they can't used it and only ryu managed to pull off his super special move : shinkuu hadouken. face it. ken used every of his power to used that final shoryuken to that cyborg.
speaking about games restriction, I never said it's shinryuken. and why did ken's animation showed a flame engulfed his hands only? because ken never had those blue energy. that's anime only. even shinryuken isn't that extreme(see SF4 trailer). at first SFA the movie is not canon so stop comparing it to real SF canon.
2. yeah right, at such an emergency state like that ken has a time to waste his energy to use an useless normal shoryuken just like ken's ending? don't make me laugh.
3. yeah.
4. if that's what you mean so this point is finished.
5. the only capcom's statement about hadouken is it's felt like a well landed kick. the only explanation about manipulated ki is shakunetsu and denjin. but aside of that, it will be a well landed kick unless capcom stated ryu's hadouken randomly disintegrate people by manipulating his ki.
6. did you see any red color within his hadouken? there's no characteristics of shakunetsu hadouken within evil ryu's hadouken that day. and shakunetsu hadouken can burn while normal hadouken can't.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. what a crap. don't try to overhype ken. you saw ken using his shoryuken at his ending and you see there's no flames at all.
my conclusion : no super special moves, no flaming shoryuken. they can't used it and only ryu managed to pull off his super special move : shinkuu hadouken. face it. ken used every of his power to used that final shoryuken to that cyborg.
Nobody is overhyping anything mack. I was comparing their canonical counterparts to the movie versions. I think we pretty much agreed that those are weaker incarnations of Ken, Ryu, and Chun-li. Since not one of them performed any of their respective strongest moves.
So, that maybe Movie Kens strongest Shoryuken, but it's not Canon Kens strongest Shoryuken. Capcom said that Ken can canonically crack a cyborgs jaw with a Shoryuken, not even is strongest.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
speaking about games restriction, I never said it's shinryuken. and why did ken's animation showed a flame engulfed his hands only? because ken never had those blue energy. that's anime only. even shinryuken isn't that extreme(see SF4 trailer). at first SFA the movie is not canon so stop comparing it to real SF canon.
Whoever said that the movie is canon, the abilities portrayed in the movie are canon not the events mack. The animation was just energy surrounding ken before he did A shoryuken, that's it. It's probably just a special effect, big deal.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma2. yeah right, at such an emergency state like that ken has a time to waste his energy to use an useless normal shoryuken just like ken's ending? don't make me laugh.
When did Ken display he had a normal shoryuken in that movie in the first place? It's either PIS or a weaker Ken.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
5. the only capcom's statement about hadouken is it's felt like a well landed kick. the only explanation about manipulated ki is shakunetsu and denjin. but aside of that, it will be a well landed kick unless capcom stated ryu's hadouken randomly disintegrate people by manipulating his ki.
You keep using linear logic mate, why can't Ryu Heat up the Hadouken as he draws it out? It's not Black or White mack, he already demonstrated that he can change a stronger hadouken like he did at the end of the movie. Shakunetsu and Denjin are both still hadoukens the names attached to them doesn't dictate much other than labels. Bottomline is that Hadouken has multiple properties including heat and that is not a regular Hadouken seeing as it wasn't even performed by Regular Ryu.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
6. did you see any red color within his hadouken?
I also didn't see the purple trademark Hadouken of Satsu No Ryu. So, can you still argue that it's a regular Hadouken? Is it impossible that it wasn't an ordinary Hadouken and he simply added heat to it before or as it clmaxed?
Oh BTW, Evil Ryu Hadouken flashes Red and Purple:
Also, I remmebered that certain Hadouken have Fire at end of it.
Originally posted by Classic NES
1. Nobody is overhyping anything mack. I was comparing their canonical counterparts to the movie versions. I think we pretty much agreed that those are weaker incarnations of Ken, Ryu, and Chun-li. Since not one of them performed any of their respective strongest moves.2. So, that maybe Movie Kens strongest Shoryuken, but it's not Canon Kens strongest Shoryuken. Capcom said that Ken can canonically crack a cyborgs jaw with a Shoryuken, not even is strongest.
3. Whoever said that the movie is canon, the abilities portrayed in the movie are canon not the events mack. The animation was just energy surrounding ken before he did A shoryuken, that's it. It's probably just a special effect, big deal.
4. When did Ken display he had a normal shoryuken in that movie in the first place? It's either PIS or a weaker Ken.
5. You keep using linear logic mate, why can't Ryu Heat up the Hadouken as he draws it out? It's not Black or White mack, he already demonstrated that he can change a stronger hadouken like he did at the end of the movie. Shakunetsu and Denjin are both still hadoukens the names attached to them doesn't dictate much other than labels. Bottomline is that Hadouken has multiple properties including heat and that is not a regular Hadouken seeing as it wasn't even performed by Regular Ryu.
6. I also didn't see the purple trademark Hadouken of Satsu No Ryu. So, can you still argue that it's a regular Hadouken? Is it impossible that it wasn't an ordinary Hadouken and he simply added heat to it before or as it clmaxed?
1. right.
2. canon ken's strongest shoryuken is a shoryuken which his fist engulfed by a flame. so, it's different. and I doubt it's stronger than ken's strongest shoryuken in anime.
3. that's why I'm saying SFA the movie is full of bullshit. in SF4 trailer, gouki's hadouken is nowhere near skyscraper buster. the only thing left after he shot shakunetsu hadouken is an explosion which isn't that big and a small hole.
and those energy shows how powerful ken's shoryuken is. he concentrate and focused every of his energy into one strike. sadly, it's only dislocated cyborg's jaw. I'm laughing every time I'm watching that scene...
4. watch ken's ending when he shoryuken an unnamed character in a fight.
5. so I guess shakunetsu and denjin is similar to kyo's punch while engulfed by a flame and benimaru's raiko-ken. but as I said before, it will be a well landed kick unless capcom stated ryu's hadouken randomly disintegrate people by manipulating his ki. and unless you're the one who created hadouken for ryu, stop speculating about how ryu's hadouken work.
even if this isn't regular ryu, his hadouken is still comparable to gouki's hadouken. so I guess it isn't that powerful.
6. speculation only. did you see that cyborg burned? did you see even a small pieces of fire burn that cyborg? I guess not. and how many times I should tell you SFA anime isn't canon so stop using it as a reference. and so what with his red and purple ki? can you differentiate flame's color with a real red color? any hadouken which create fire is shakunetsu. nothing more, nothing else.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. Ultima and Ruby had world ending attacks? BS. And it isn't even confirmed if they ever fought Cloud and friends. Bizzaro Sephiroth was a giant deformed coccoon. And Sephiroth's goal was to use Meteor(not his own power) to cause a wound on the planet so great, vast amounts of Lifestream would be needed to heal it, and Sephiroth would be made a God. Only in AC did he want to destroy the world. Oh and Sephiroth never used any planet busting power on Cloud, and the Negative Lifestream was only Midgar sized from what we saw.
sorry, i meant ultima and ruby weapon. both had nearl worl ending attacks. it isnt BS, bizaaro sephiroth was going to destroy the world, and sephiroth in advent children was already taking control of the entire planet and raining down that planet wide black miasma.cloud is the strongest followed by sephiroth/full jenova, omega/ruby, chaos/sephiroth's twins.
2. yup, i practiced with swords so i shud know a thing or two. a hunnk of metal that wide and thick and long with no holes etc, easily weighs a ton. {god man, havent you ever seen dumbles and stuff?
That's all bullshit. Omega and Chaos are far stronger than all but Sephiroth, and that is just because Sephiroth was confirmed by creators to be strongest in FFVIIverse in AC. Cloud is not stronger than Sephiroth, Chaos, or Omega. And the Silver Haired Men are nothing special in all honesty. Ryu could take all except for Loz due to his speed.
2. O RLY? You've practiced with a sword anywhere near that big? The biggest real usable swords only weigh about 20 pounds, and they are about 6' long. That is about the length of the Buster Sword only the Buster Sword is wider. One ton my ass.