I can appreciate the notion that Dooku is in Windu's league; the official databank and multiple sources confirm that, when Dooku was a Jedi, he and Yoda were the only two duelists capable of defeating Windu in single combat and likewise, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous confirms that in terms of swordsmanship, Mace Windu is the only Jedi in existence who is "Dooku's equal" on neutral ground. However, while Dooku's expertise with a lightsaber and experience in combat is arguably equal to Windu's, his Sith allegiance and association with the dark side makes him especially vulnerable to the shatterpoint charism and the metaphysical properties of Vaapad, a form which Dooku is not a master of, and which is -- by Yoda's own admission -- far deadlier than Makashi (though not as efficient as Makashi in swordplay).
Minus that, however, I have some problems with the mentality you've subscribed to:
He is a man who has completely mastered the lightsaber, whom managed to duel with Yoda. Who in fact dueled Mace Windu to a stand still (Obsessions).
First, you yourself have stated on numerous occasions that Dooku was essentially a distraction at best for Yoda. I've already established ad infinitum that Yoda's goal at Geonosis was to capture Count Dooku (he explicitly instructs Windu that "Captured, Dooku must be, before more systems he rallies to his cause) and is best demonstrated when he abandons the lightsaber duel with the Count to save the lives of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, despite telling Kenobi in Revenge of the Sith that a "true Jedi" would have sacrificed Kenobi (or any other Jedi) if it brought the war to end "an hour sooner". Moreover, despite the fact that Vjun empowered the Count's already formidable Force powers and bladework, he was unable to defeat Yoda in single combat, even though Yoda was still attempting to bring the Count in alive and redeem him ("Wish to hurt you, I do not!"😉. Essentially, for all of Dooku's legendary prowess, had Yoda attacked him as he did his master, Darth Sidious, the Count would have been blitzed.
Originally posted by Dr. Styles
Cin Drallig himeself was a complete master of the lightsaber, whom would also give Mace a far good duel had they ever fight.
You may tell me where being a "complete master of the lightsaber" = "capable of giving Windu a fair duel". Especially since you're being completely speculative and not bothering to source your assertions. This doesn't cut it, AC, and you know it.
I'm sorry kiddo but the Clone Wars feats are purposely exaggerated and cannot be taken as fact, as Mace for one, could he perform all these ridicules moves why didn't he destroy all those droids on Geonosis, he would have saved the slaughter of some 200 Jedi. Furthermore its inconsistent with his power portrayal in the novel Shatterpoint where he whines about his lack of ability in the force. Where he could even lift a land crawler with the force. Not to mention was completely overpowered by Kar Vastor in the force. And the novel over rides a cartoon which purposely exaggerates Mace's power beyond belief.
And if Anakin Skywalker were truly the most powerful Jedi Knights ever -- or even one of -- why was he unable to overpower Kenobi with not only his lightsaber, but with a Force push? And if Sidious or Mace or Dooku or Kenobi or Anakin or Yoda were truly incredible duelists, among the best ever, why have they all not moved beyond what the eye can see? Why did Sidious and Mace, especially, fought so incredibly slow in their duel in Palpatine's office? I can use the same logic that you do, and while you do make a good point, the movies and EU are full of discrepencies and continuity errors. As Nai has pointed out before, George Lucas praised the feats portrayed in Clone Wars and testified that therein lies how he "imagine(s) real Jedi would be like."
Due to PIS and finite budget, obviously, such feats are not seen in the movies. Are we to ignore them, then?
I'm sorry but rank and power are not in correlation, as its not dictated by "who beats who in a fight" or "whos stronger then who" as if that was then Anakin should have his spot and be encroaching on Yoda's spot in the Jedi order
Windu was one of two senior members of the Jedi High Council and described as being "on par with the venerable Yoda". He's number two in the Order, AC, you need to accept that and move on.
Acoording to who? Nick Gillard? Um who gives a flying f*ck what Nick Gillard thinks. He's a stunt/sword fight coordinator, he's not George Lucas and he is not a representative of LFL, and those stupid power levels have never been endorsed or supported in any other medium by LFL. So ah no moron. Not to say that Drallig anyways as the force comes into play and he's decimate Drallig with the force. However someone like Anakin Skywalker could go toe to toe with Sidious, as well as Dooku, Dooku would in all likely hood die, but both can still compete with him.
The last bit confuses me, AC. Go toe-to-toe with Sidious in what? Swordsmanship? As far as pure skills, sure. In Force prowess? Hardly.
A>B so A>C = [B]FAIL.[/B]
In the vague manner in which he used it, I agree. But the exact circumstances are not. Windu was able to defeat Sidious in single combat due to the shatterpoint charism and the metaphysical properties of Vaapad that are especially deadly to those with a dark side allegiance. Dooku's not a flawless duelist and possesses the same allegiance and a weaker mastery of it than Sidious. While he is arguably equal or superior to Windu in terms of pure skills with a blade, there is nothing to suggest that he could overcome Windu in a lightsaber duel, and heaps of evidence to the contrary.
Nuff said that your a doofus.
He certainly could have presented his argument a lot better, but doofus is entirely out of fashion.
Nay.Mace crushing Grievous chest is not an impressive feat, as you know: Grievous is not force sensitive, and can't counter force attacks. Lets see Mace do that to a force user, oh wait...
Force crushing duranium armor that "can stop a starfighter's laser canon" (Revenge of the Sith novelization, pg. 92) is certainly an impressive feat.
Anakin is "the strongest, fastest, most powerful Jedi of his generation perhaps of any generation" (ROTS Novel) He managed to crush Count Dooku in 12 seconds a feat not even Yoda can lay claim too,he managed to turn Dooku's lightsaber mastery, force power, knowledge of the force, and vast prestige and wealth into a "complete joke".
"Can lay claim to"? No. He most certainly could have claimed it. Did he? No. But those are two totally separate things.
In his duel with Dooku Anakin's decisions in the force became reality, he simply decides Dooku should lose his arms, and it happens. Not to mention that Durge a 2000 year old battle hardened mercenary whose faced Jedi, Sith and Mandalorians and calls Anakin the "fastest he's ever seen."
Agreed and I propose no argument there.
And even more-so Dark Lord Rise of Darth Vader states that Anakin knows "all forms of combat." So Vaapad won't be the be all end all that decides this, Anakin has more then the necessary speed, power, skill and combat experience to stand against Vaapad, the form.
"All forms of combat" =/= Vaapad. According to the Essential Guide to the Force, Sora Bulq's fall from grace prompted Windu to direct that all those who wish to learn Vaapad must receive explicit permission, assessment, and training from Windu himself. Anakin received no such things. Moreover, Emperor Palpatine's swordplay was only equal to Windu's Vaapad. Darth Vader is not, in any single way imaginable, equal to Darth Sidious. He's not as fast and he's not as powerful. You'll need more than that to prove that he could match Vaapad.
Its super-conducting loop, wouldn't necessarily benefit Mace as he'd have the rage of the chosen one in full effect bearing down on him a mans whose raw fury was enough for his decisions become reality in the force. Whose to say that the loop will go on forever, it was never fully tested with Sidious as Mace found the shatterpoint and cause him to slip, and the duel itself is even suspect as there is ample evidence of Sidious throwing the whole thing. He knew Anakin was coming, he fell just in time for Anakin to see him defenseless cornered by a big bad black Jedi. Sidious avoids the killing blow with Mace in the movie.
This is an entirely separate argument. Lucas says Windu overpowered Palpatine and anything contrary to the straightforward interpretation bears the burden of proof; the novelization nor script make any mention of Sidious's restraint during the lightsaber duel.
I say you fail.Fail
FAIL.
A stamp we can apply to a great deal of your own argument, sir.