Originally posted by Kotor3
No one has really explain why Dooku with be more better with the force than Mace.
you have any idea how many force users Dooku has completely overpowered with the force?? and not just any old force users, powerful ones!!
lets see now, Asajj Ventress, Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker...
also Yoda in Dark Rendezvous says that from all the students of the temple Dooku was the most learned in the ways of the Force.
so im afraid the burden is on you to explain and prove how and why Mace is in league with Dooku in the Force??
Originally posted by Gideon
Where has it been confirmed that Count Dooku has a "working knowledge" of Vaapad? Furthermore, Sora Bulq's legendary skills with a lightsaber notwithstanding, it is painfully evident that he did not master Vaapad. According to Windu's musings in Revenge of the Sith, Vaapad is more than a fighting style, it's a state of mind. Of Sora Bulq, Windu concluded: "He did not master Vaapad. Vaapad mastered him." Not at all the same thing.
Sora Bulq may not have mastered the mental aspects of Vapaad, but clearly did master its physical aspects. besides mace saying Vapaad mastered Bulq is from Mace's point of view.. from the point of veiw of someone who made the fighting form to be used as a force for the light side, and would not have any respect for someone who would use what Mace taught him for the dark side..
Lets not also forget that it was Sora Bulq who helped Mace develop Vappad in the first place, and before Mace knew Bulq had turned to the dark side Mace fully admitted in Schism that Bulq knows Vapaad almost as well as Mace himself knows it.
Originally posted by Gideon
As far as Dooku versus Windu is concerned, where did you get "standstill" from? He sparred with him for a few strikes and had Magnaguards ambush Windu so Dooku could escape. Hardly the behavior of someone who is truly confident of victory and who mentioned that he would deal with the Jedi on Boz Pity. Dooku sure changed his mind all of a sudden.
A few strilkes as you call it is quite long for a comic book fight. and the main point of those few strikes was that neither of them gave way and fought evenly, just like Dark Rendevouz suggested they would on neutral ground.
Dooku certainly wuldnt be truly confident of a victory over Mace, and fully admits Mace may kill him.. That doesnt mean Dooku cant kill Mace as well.
and yes if they were fighting to a "Standstill" Dooku would flee. as he would have been the dumbest jedi/sith ever to stick around fighting Mace Windu to a stand off, as this would have pretty much guaranteed Dooku getting captured with all the other jedi and clone troopers out looking for him.
also theres plenty of proof that Mace was willing to give his life to take out Dooku. Can you really say the same Vice Versa?? Its for this same reason Sidious tried to flee from Yoda, even though hes easily Yodas equal.
Originally posted by Gideon
We can also use your copyrighted brand of logic and point out that Dooku was somehow unable to to replicate the same feat with Windu. Could it be, perhaps, Windu is greater than Tholme and Bulq?
But Dooku was clearly able to defeat Bulq(while fighting Tholme) far easier than Mace could.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
you have any idea how many force users Dooku has completely overpowered with the force?? and not just any old force users, powerful ones!!lets see now, Asajj Ventress, Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker...
also Yoda in Dark Rendezvous says that from all the students of the temple Dooku was the most learned in the ways of the Force.
so im afraid the burden is on you to explain and prove how and why Mace is in league with Dooku in the Force??
I need you to clarify are you saying that Dooku is more powerful than Mace or knows more force techniques?
Your examples prove nothing. The only two people that are even worth mentioning is Obi Wan and Anakin.
Dooku never own or overpowered a Jedi Anakin. When Dooku first fought Obi Wan he did not own him in the force. He defeated him in saber combat. In ROTS Dooku used many distractions and just happen to catch Obi Wan with a force technique. After that Anakin quickly took care of him.
Mace could defeat all of the people you mention. By ROTS, Obi Wan nor Anakin could defeat Mace but they could defeat Dooku.
I could be wrong but I thought George Lucas made a statement that you have to be on Mace or Yoda’s level in order to face Sidious. Dooku cannot in any form or fashion defeat Sidious in force or saber combat.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I need you to clarify are you saying that Dooku is more powerful than Mace or knows more force techniques?
Dooku is better with the force. Mace may beat him in sabers, or in an all out fight. but dooku beats him in a force fight without too much difficulty.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Your examples prove nothing. The only two people that are even worth mentioning is Obi Wan and Anakin.
Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress not worth mentioning?? does it mean nothing to you that Mace has also fought these people but not defeated any of them with the same ease Dooku has??
Also do you know Dooku can dominate Asajj by simply lifting a finger, which clearly Mace can not otherwise she wuldnt have been able to escape from him when they fought.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Dooku never own or overpowered a Jedi Anakin.
Clearly youve not seen the new animated movie. Dooku overpowers Anakin in a Force fight, and at least matches him in Sabers.
Originally posted by Kotor3
When Dooku first fought Obi Wan he did not own him in the force. He defeated him in saber combat..
Originally posted by Kotor3
In ROTS Dooku used many distractions and just happen to catch Obi Wan with a force technique.
Excuse me??? exactly what was Obi-Wan distracted by when Dooku started Force Choking him???
Originally posted by Kotor3
Mace could defeat all of the people you mention.
Originally posted by Kotor3
By ROTS, Obi Wan nor Anakin could defeat Mace but they could defeat Dooku.
yeah I remember when Obi-Wan was getting force choked by Dooku I was thinking, yeah Obi1 could take him neday..
and i assume you have proof that Anakin culdnt take Mace.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I could be wrong but I thought George Lucas made a statement that you have to be on Mace or Yoda’s level in order to face Sidious. Dooku cannot in any form or fashion defeat Sidious in force or saber combat.
iv got that statement. he was reffering to why those other jedis got cut down so easily. but 1. Dookus not a jedi. and 2. Dooku was already dead.
he also in the same statment says Anakin could have defeated Sidious.
so clearly other jedis not able to even compete with Sidious does not include Anakin or Dooku.
Also though Dooku is not in Yodas league we have seen he is clearly able to at least face/compete against Yoda. so theres no reason why he culdnt face Sidious. Hed lose of course. but thats different to putting up a fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku is better with the force. Mace may beat him in sabers, or in an all out fight. but dooku beats him in a force fight without too much difficulty.Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress not worth mentioning?? does it mean nothing to you that Mace has also fought these people but not defeated any of them with the same ease Dooku has??
Also do you know Dooku can dominate Asajj by simply lifting a finger, which clearly Mace can not otherwise she wuldnt have been able to escape from him when they fought.Clearly youve not seen the new animated movie. Dooku overpowers Anakin in a Force fight, and at least matches him in Sabers.
Cause Dooku was showing off how superior he is to him.
Excuse me??? exactly what was Obi-Wan distracted by when Dooku started Force Choking him???
Yes but he culdnt dominate with the Force the way Dooku did.
yeah I remember when Obi-Wan was getting force choked by Dooku I was thinking, yeah Obi1 could take him neday..
and i assume you have proof that Anakin culdnt take Mace.
iv got that statement. he was reffering to why those other jedis got cut down so easily. but 1. Dookus not a jedi. and 2. Dooku was already dead.
he also in the same statment says Anakin could have defeated Sidious.
so clearly other jedis not able to even compete with Sidious does not include Anakin or Dooku.
Also though Dooku is not in Yodas league we have seen he is clearly able to at least face/compete against Yoda. so theres no reason why he culdnt face Sidious. Hed lose of course. but thats different to putting up a fight.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku is better with the force. Mace may beat him in sabers, or in an all out fight. but dooku beats him in a force fight without too much difficulty.
Kotor3: So you are saying he knows more techniques? How does Dooku defeat Mace without difficulty with the force? You are assuming that Mace cannot defend himself against Dooku’s force attacks. I would like to know what force technique Dooku is going to take down Mace with.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress not worth mentioning?? does it mean nothing to you that Mace has also fought these people but not defeated any of them with the same ease Dooku has??
Also do you know Dooku can dominate Asajj by simply lifting a finger, which clearly Mace can not otherwise she wuldnt have been able to escape from him when they fought.
Kotor3: So you are stating that the following people Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress are a match for Mace who took down Sidious? Ridiculous, for you to even use them as comparisons. Mace is a Jedi and does not try to harm his opponents at first, even if they are Sith or dark jedi.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Clearly youve not seen the new animated movie. Dooku overpowers Anakin in a Force fight, and at least matches him in Sabers.
Kotor3: Yes I have and Anakin still has not reach the level he is at by ROTS. Dooku showed himself more experience in the force in how he defended Anakin’s force attack and came back with his own. Did not overpower. Anakin brute force made the fight end with Dooku on his butt.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Cause Dooku was showing off how superior he is to him.
Kotor3: Could be true but that was in saber skills not force because Obi Wan already defended against his force lighting.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Excuse me??? exactly what was Obi-Wan distracted by when Dooku started Force Choking him???
Kotor3: More of an assumption, but Dooku did not fight Anakin and Obi Wan head on. Obi Wan left and handle the droids and when he came back that is when Dooku caught him.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes but he culdnt dominate with the Force the way Dooku did.
Kotor3: Maybe not but Mace is a light user and does not have the same force techniques to use as a dark user. That still does not mean Mace cannot force smack them. Mace is much stronger in pure force power than Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress . He not Dooku was second to Yoda.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
yeah I remember when Obi-Wan was getting force choked by Dooku I was thinking, yeah Obi1 could take him neday..
and i assume you have proof that Anakin culdnt take Mace.
Kotor3: The fact that he could not defeat Obi Wan. Don’t give me Obi Wan new his moves because Anakin new his just as well. Obi Wan cannot defeat Mace or Sidious. Unless you can prove Anakin can.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
iv got that statement. he was reffering to why those other jedis got cut down so easily. but 1. Dookus not a jedi. and 2. Dooku was already dead.
he also in the same statment says Anakin could have defeated Sidious.
so clearly other jedis not able to even compete with Sidious does not include Anakin or Dooku.
Also though Dooku is not in Yodas league we have seen he is clearly able to at least face/compete against Yoda. so theres no reason why he culdnt face Sidious. Hed lose of course. but thats different to putting up a fight.
Kotor3: I have never heard of this statement “he also in the same statment says Anakin could have defeated Sidious”. I need some confirmation on that one. Only later on as Anakin grew in power he could be able to defeat Sidious. I was sure the statement was made along does lines.
Can you please explain to me how to post in between quotes.
Thx
Originally posted by Kotor3
Kotor3: So you are saying he knows more techniques? How does Dooku defeat Mace without difficulty with the force? You are assuming that Mace cannot defend himself against Dooku’s force attacks. I would like to know what force technique Dooku is going to take down Mace with.
According to Yoda, in the jedi temple Dooku was the student most learned in the ways of the force. according to ROTS novel Dooku was an even more powerful sith lord than he was jedi. So yes Dooku knows more force techniques than Mace. Also Dooku can shoot and deflect Force Lightning.. Mace cannot deflect FL without his lightsaber, as was clearly shown in ROTS.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Kotor3: So you are stating that the following people Sora Bulq & Asajj Ventress are a match for Mace who took down Sidious? Ridiculous, for you to even use them as comparisons. Mace is a Jedi and does not try to harm his opponents at first, even if they are Sith or dark jedi..
when did i say they were a match for Mace?? I sed theres no evidence that mace can dominate them with the Force as easily as Dooku can.. you have yet to provide me with evidence that Mace can match Dooku with the Force, which you will have to considering Dookus feats in that area.
Mace could not allow Bulq or Ventress to escape, so if he could have stopped them quickly, he would have.
Ventress even staggered Mace at 1 point.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Kotor3: Yes I have and Anakin still has not reach the level he is at by ROTS. Dooku showed himself more experience in the force in how he defended Anakin’s force attack and came back with his own. Did not overpower. Anakin brute force made the fight end with Dooku on his butt.
you sed Dooku never beat Jedi Anakin, but he was a jedi in the clone wars movie. and he clearly overpowered him in the force. he even disarmed him of his lightsaber at one point with a force push.
anakin kick dooku to the ground when dooku was taunting him over ashoka. so that really doesnt mean anything. dooku dominated most the fight.
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Kotor3: More of an assumption, but Dooku did not fight Anakin and Obi Wan head on. Obi Wan left and handle the droids and when he came back that is when Dooku caught him..]
Dooku was the one distracted by fending of anakin while simultaneously toying obi1 aorund.
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Kotor3: Maybe not but Mace is a light user and does not have the same force techniques to use as a dark user. That still does not mean Mace cannot force smack them. Mace is much stronger in pure force power than Sora Bulq...]
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]He not Dooku was second to Yoda.
Second in what?? be more specific.. not that it matters because Dooku wasnt in the jedi order during the prequels.
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Kotor3: The fact that he could not defeat Obi Wan. Don’t give me Obi Wan new his moves because Anakin new his just as well. Obi Wan cannot defeat Mace or Sidious. Unless you can prove Anakin can..
Obi1 and Anakin were equals because they BOTH knew each others moves inside out. so neither could pass each others defences. theres proof of this from Nick Gillards statements and from the ROTS novel.
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Kotor3: I have never heard of this statement “he also in the same statment says Anakin could have defeated Sidious”. I need some confirmation on that one. Only later on as Anakin grew in power he could be able to defeat Sidious. I was sure the statement was made along does lines...
ill find the exact quote 2nite.. but he basically sed anakin could have taken sidious had he not got messed up by obi1. there was no mention of potential or some far off future point there.
Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Can you please explain to me how to post in between quotes.Thx
you know the "quote" lines at the beginning and the end? well you have to copy and paste them at the beginning and end of every paragraph you wana talk about.. and then put your own messages in between.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
According to Yoda, in the jedi temple Dooku was the student most learned in the ways of the force. according to ROTS novel Dooku was an even more powerful sith lord than he was jedi. So yes Dooku knows more force techniques than Mace. Also Dooku can shoot and deflect Force Lightning.. Mace cannot deflect FL without his lightsaber, as was clearly shown in ROTS.
I can agree that Dooku has more force techniques. What proof do you have that Mace cannot deflect Dooku force lighting without his saber? That is an assumption. Mace had issues with Sidious force lighting even with his saber. Sidious is a big difference.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
when did i say they were a match for Mace?? I sed theres no evidence that mace can dominate them with the Force as easily as Dooku can.. you have yet to provide me with evidence that Mace can match Dooku with the Force, which you will have to considering Dookus feats in that area.Mace could not allow Bulq or Ventress to escape, so if he could have stopped them quickly, he would have.
Ventress even staggered Mace at 1 point.
I have agreed that Dooku has more force techniques, however that does not mean he is stronger in the force. Which is my point. Mace took down Sidious not only because of his style of fighting but also because he was strong enough in the force to compete with Sidious and allow himself time to defeat Sidious in saber combat.
I am not referring to Mace being stronger than Sidious just powerful enough to compete. I believe that Mace is stronger than Dooku when in comes to the force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
you sed Dooku never beat Jedi Anakin, but he was a jedi in the clone wars movie. and he clearly overpowered him in the force. he even disarmed him of his lightsaber at one point with a force push.anakin kick dooku to the ground when dooku was taunting him over ashoka. so that really doesnt mean anything. dooku dominated most the fight.
In ROTS Dooku dominated the first part of the fight. Then Anakin quickly turn the tide. The same in the clone movie. It was evident that Anakin was going to change the tide if they kept fighting. Especially since Dooku kept tauting him.
I do not agree that Dooku dominated he got off some moves but Anakin was no where from hurt or backing down in the fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku was the one distracted by fending of anakin while simultaneously toying obi1 aorund.
How was Dooku distracted? He was fighting both from the start and used droids to separate them so he could get an advantage. He definitely was not toying.
Proof??
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Second in what?? be more specific.. not that it matters because Dooku wasnt in the jedi order during the prequels.
According to my knowledge Dooku was not a sith during Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. He was still a jedi. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Obi1 and Anakin were equals because they BOTH knew each others moves inside out. so neither could pass each others defences. theres proof of this from Nick Gillards statements and from the ROTS novel.
I never disagreed. You just supported my point. Anakin and Obi Wan were equals. Mace is not there equal but superior.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
ill find the exact quote 2nite.. but he basically sed anakin could have taken sidious had he not got messed up by obi1. there was no mention of potential or some far off future point there.
Ok
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
According to Yoda, in the jedi temple Dooku was the student most learned in the ways of the force. according to ROTS novel Dooku was an even more powerful sith lord than he was jedi. So yes Dooku knows more force techniques than Mace. Also Dooku can shoot and deflect Force Lightning.. Mace cannot deflect FL without his lightsaber, as was clearly shown in ROTS.
I can agree that Dooku has more force techniques. What proof do you have that Mace cannot deflect Dooku force lighting without his saber? That is an assumption. Mace had issues with Sidious force lighting even with his saber. Sidious is a big difference.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
when did i say they were a match for Mace?? I sed theres no evidence that mace can dominate them with the Force as easily as Dooku can.. you have yet to provide me with evidence that Mace can match Dooku with the Force, which you will have to considering Dookus feats in that area.Mace could not allow Bulq or Ventress to escape, so if he could have stopped them quickly, he would have.
Ventress even staggered Mace at 1 point.
I have agreed that Dooku has more force techniques, however that does not mean he is stronger in the force. Which is my point. Mace took down Sidious not only because of his style of fighting but also because he was strong enough in the force to compete with Sidious and allow himself time to defeat Sidious in saber combat.
I am not referring to Mace being stronger than Sidious just powerful enough to compete. I believe that Mace is stronger than Dooku when in comes to the force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
you sed Dooku never beat Jedi Anakin, but he was a jedi in the clone wars movie. and he clearly overpowered him in the force. he even disarmed him of his lightsaber at one point with a force push.anakin kick dooku to the ground when dooku was taunting him over ashoka. so that really doesnt mean anything. dooku dominated most the fight.
In ROTS Dooku dominated the first part of the fight. Then Anakin quickly turn the tide. The same in the clone movie. It was evident that Anakin was going to change the tide if they kept fighting. Especially since Dooku kept tauting him.
I do not agree that Dooku dominated he got off some moves but Anakin was no where from hurt or backing down in the fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku was the one distracted by fending of anakin while simultaneously toying obi1 aorund.
How was Dooku distracted? He was fighting both from the start and used droids to separate them so he could get an advantage. He definitely was not toying.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Second in what?? be more specific.. not that it matters because Dooku wasnt in the jedi order during the prequels.
According to my knowledge Dooku was not a sith during Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. He was still a jedi. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Obi1 and Anakin were equals because they BOTH knew each others moves inside out. so neither could pass each others defences. theres proof of this from Nick Gillards statements and from the ROTS novel.
I never disagreed. You just supported my point. Anakin and Obi Wan were equals. Mace is not there equal but superior.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
ill find the exact quote 2nite.. but he basically sed anakin could have taken sidious had he not got messed up by obi1. there was no mention of potential or some far off future point there.
Ok
Originally posted by Kotor3How do you prove a negative? You have to prove that Mace can block lightning without a saber. The only person we've seen even attempt it was Yoda. And he is definitely Mace's superior.
I can agree that Dooku has more force techniques. What proof do you have that Mace cannot deflect Dooku force lighting without his saber? That is an assumption. Mace had issues with Sidious force lighting even with his saber. Sidious is a big difference.
Originally posted by Kotor3Sidious completely outclasses Mace in the force. Mace beat him in sabers legitimately, but the rest was a ploy to turn Anakin. Dooku is a beast in both the force and sabers. After being one on the best Jedi, he became, "An even greater Lord of the Sith."
I have agreed that Dooku has more force techniques, however that does not mean he is stronger in the force. Which is my point. Mace took down Sidious not only because of his style of fighting but also because he was strong enough in the force to compete with Sidious and allow himself time to defeat Sidious in saber combat.
Originally posted by Kotor3What gives you this idea? You've yet to prove it.
I am not referring to Mace being stronger than Sidious just powerful enough to compete. I believe that Mace is stronger than Dooku when in comes to the force.
Originally posted by Kotor3Even in the first part of the fight, Dooku was on the defensive and being pushed back. Him and OB1 were getting tired while Anakin was only getting stronger. That being said, he still had the ability to pwn OB1 with the force amidst losing the saber battle. A testament to his force prowess.
In ROTS Dooku dominated the first part of the fight. Then Anakin quickly turn the tide. The same in the clone movie. It was evident that Anakin was going to change the tide if they kept fighting. Especially since Dooku kept tauting him.
Originally posted by Kotor3Yea, but him being pwned by Anakin has nothing to do his force abilities.
I do not agree that Dooku dominated he got off some moves but Anakin was no where from hurt or backing down in the fight.
Originally posted by Kotor3No he wasn't distracted. He felt the pressure and was reduced to using droids to hel out. But again, this is while in saber combat with Anakin. He still took Kenobi out with the force after that.
How was Dooku distracted? He was fighting both from the start and used droids to separate them so he could get an advantage. He definitely was not toying.
Originally posted by Kotor3No he was not yet a Sith.
According to my knowledge Dooku was not a sith during Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. He was still a jedi. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Kotor3What exactly are they equals in? GL said that even mace thought Anakin was too powerful and possibly jealous. Anakin was doing things in AoTC that most others couldn't do, including OB1 and Mace. (AoTC Commentary)
I never disagreed. You just supported my point. Anakin and Obi Wan were equals. Mace is not there equal but superior.
How do you prove a negative?
Erm, you do realize that it is a negative to say that you can't prove a negative, thus if you can prove that statement to be true, you would be proving a negative. . .
You have to prove that Mace can block lightning without a saber. The only person we've seen even attempt it was Yoda. And he is definitely Mace's superior.
Count Dooku deflected his own lightning in AOTC, if you remember. I'd find it ridiculous to say that Mace couldn't block Force lightning. It isn't exactly a power unknown to Jedi, as Kenobi demonstrated the ability to deflect Durge's bullets in the CW microseries (which is apparently the same power you can use to deflect Force attacks). And Mace is definitely among the strongest Force user of the era.
It'd be dependent upon who was utilizing the lightning that really matters. I doubt he'd be able to handle Sidious' assaults, but Dooku's or someone of lesser power would be a different case completely.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
How do you prove a negative? You have to prove that Mace can block lightning without a saber. The only person we've seen even attempt it was Yoda. And he is definitely Mace's superior.
You can't we don't know if Mace could but you cannot say he can't. Dooku lighting is nothing in comparison to Sidious.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Sidious completely outclasses Mace in the force. Mace beat him in sabers legitimately, but the rest was a ploy to turn Anakin. Dooku is a beast in both the force and sabers. After being one on the best Jedi, he became, "An even greater Lord of the Sith."[/B]
The point is Mace did not win purely on his skills with a Saber. That is impossible. His strength in the force allowed him to compete or be able to stand against Sidious. Just as Dooku was able to do against Yoda even though Yoda was not trying to hurt him.
As for the ploy, if Anakin never came I do believe that Sidious might have been able to power his way with the force or make an escape by using the force. Would he have defeated Mace no one knows?
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
What gives you this idea? You've yet to prove it. [/B]
It is my opinion, it is nothing to prove except for the fact that I gave an example as to why I felt this way. Mace could defeat Sidious and did, Dooku could not.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Even in the first part of the fight, Dooku was on the defensive and being pushed back. Him and OB1 were getting tired while Anakin was only getting stronger. That being said, he still had the ability to pwn OB1 with the force amidst losing the saber battle. A testament to his force prowess.[/B]
Yes it is a testament. Side note, I never like the fact that Dooku was able to do that to Obi Wan at the stage in Obi Wan's career. Bad scripting to put Anakin in a one on one situation with Dooku.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Yea, but him being pwned by Anakin has nothing to do his force abilities.[/B]
Yes it does. His abilities are impressive but Dooku was not powerful enough to defeat Anakin at that stage of Anakin's development.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
No he wasn't distracted. He felt the pressure and was reduced to using droids to hel out. But again, this is while in saber combat with Anakin. He still took Kenobi out with the force after that.[/B]
Nothing to argue here.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
What exactly are they equals in? GL said that even mace thought Anakin was too powerful and possibly jealous. Anakin was doing things in AoTC that most others couldn't do, including OB1 and Mace. (AoTC Commentary) [/B]
Once again I cannot argue this since I never heard of this quote before. Still does not prove that Anakin could defeat Mace when he could not Obi Wan.