ROTS Obi Wan & Anakin vs ROTS Mace

Originally posted by Kotor3
Darth Power you definitely confused me with your previous statements. It did not seem to me that you were stating that especially after I made the statement so many times. Ok, that is good to know.

sorry didnt realise i was that confusing. i realised later from your responses that you were not understanding what we mean when were talking about saber fighting. of course they all need the force to help them fight otherwise Yoda would just be a green midget with a small saber.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Here is my question, is Mace inferior or equal to Dooku when it comes to the force?

Im a bit confused what your question means..

If your talking about who has more knowledge of the Focre and about Force attacks like Force Push, Force Lightning, Force Choke and throw him about like a ragdoll, then id say Mace is definetely INFERIOR to Dooku, just in that regard.
Dooku simply has too many feats in this area completely dominating other powerful force users. Weve only seen Mace use Force attacks effectively on Non-Force users like droids, and mainly in the hugely exaggerated CW cartoons.

If on the other hand your asking who the Force is naturally stronger with, as in who has the higher midi-chlorian count then I really dnt knw. Id say they are both naturally very powerful.

If Mace is superior to Dooku at all, then it will mainly be in the lightsaber fight. As Maces Vapaad grants great Speed, is said to be the most Lethal Lightsaber Form, and is especially effective against Darksiders, as he showed with his defeat of Sidious (in the lightsbaer fight.) But Dooku is no slouch in this department either being the ultimate master of Makashi, which sed to be the best form for Blade to Blade combat.

Although you should note that Dark Rendevouz calls Mace and Dooku equals in terms of pure bladework, and Obsessions seemed to confirm that.

Originally posted by Tangible God
The problem is you don't listen. I don't know how many times I had to stress to you the ambiguity of Revan's character.

Thank you for bring that to my attention Tangible. I really did not know that. I find it very entertaining that people like you try to say someone does not listen because you cannot make valid agruments.

Yet Elite in the same threads that you were in was able to make valid agruments that I had to concede to. Save your lectures for yourself.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
sorry didnt realise i was that confusing. i realised later from your responses that you were not understanding what we mean when were talking about saber fighting. of course they all need the force to help them fight otherwise Yoda would just be a green midget with a small saber.

Im a bit confused what your question means..

If your talking about who has more knowledge of the Focre and about Force attacks like Force Push, Force Lightning, Force Choke and throw him about like a ragdoll, then id say Mace is definetely INFERIOR to Dooku, just in that regard.
Dooku simply has too many feats in this area completely dominating other powerful force users. Weve only seen Mace use Force attacks effectively on Non-Force users like droids, and mainly in the hugely exaggerated CW cartoons.

If on the other hand your asking who the Force is naturally stronger with, as in who has the higher midi-chlorian count then I really dnt knw. Id say they are both naturally very powerful.

If Mace is superior to Dooku at all, then it will mainly be in the lightsaber fight. As Maces Vapaad grants great Speed, is said to be the most Lethal Lightsaber Form, and is especially effective against Darksiders, as he showed with his defeat of Sidious (in the lightsbaer fight.) But Dooku is no slouch in this department either being the ultimate master of Makashi, which sed to be the best form for Blade to Blade combat.

Although you should note that Dark Rendevouz calls Mace and Dooku equals in terms of pure bladework, and Obsessions seemed to confirm that.

Thank you for your response Darth Power, that was my whole point of making this thread. In other threads it seem that people had Dooku and Mace as equals or one over the other. So I put Mace in a situation facing two people that Dooku did to see who would win.

My point of saying that Anakin would not win against Mace was not to show that Mace was superior to Dooku force wise but a different type of fighter that would not demonstrate some of the weaknesses that Dooku did. Which you mention such as arrogance.

Of course that is my opinion and I could be wrong. People in this thread have brought valid points as to why Anakin could win. Overall I can agree with your last statements and thanks for responding.

Fair enough. I can understand that Mace would probably do better against Anakin than Dooku did, on the basis of better physical conditioning, and a more lethal lightsaber form could help him to withstand Anakins almost unstoppable onslaught.

Not to mention Mace knows exactly what he would be up against with Anakin so would take him very seriously from the beginning.

On the other hand I see Dooku as having a better chance at taking on both Anakin and Obi1 together. As Dooku was able to keep seperating them with his far superior Force moves. I dnt really see Mace doing that, and so I can see Mace being in serious trouble if pitted against both these very accomplished swordsmen together.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fair enough. I can understand that Mace would probably do better against Anakin than Dooku did, on the basis of better physical conditioning, and a more lethal lightsaber form could help him to withstand Anakins almost unstoppable onslaught.

Not to mention Mace knows exactly what he would be up against with Anakin so would take him very seriously from the beginning.

On the other hand I see Dooku as having a better chance at taking on both Anakin and Obi1 together. As Dooku was able to keep seperating them with his far superior Force moves. I dnt really see Mace doing that, and so I can see Mace being in serious trouble if pitted against both these very accomplished swordsmen together.

Everyone seems to agree with that line of thought due to Mace lack of force techniques or knowledge which I can understand.

Well that is why I included Yoda in this discussion. If they win they take on Yoda. As of now, no one seems to think that the duo can take on Yoda. Which I can understand. Yoda is a whole different level. What are your thoughts?

well yeah I guess Yoda could do to Obi1 what Dooku did to him. then it would be a saber fight Yoda vs. Anakin. Anakin would get very frustrated at Yoda jumping around him and would most likely lose. also good chance Yoda could take out Anakin with a Force move as well.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
well yeah I guess Yoda could do to Obi1 what Dooku did to him. then it would be a saber fight Yoda vs. Anakin. Anakin would get very frustrated at Yoda jumping around him and would most likely lose. also good chance Yoda could take out Anakin with a Force move as well.

Force fight - no contest. Yoda smashes the young Jedi.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
While that is a possibility, Anakin would def put up a hell of a good fight against Yoda in SABERS ONLY and could win if he stayed in control of his emotions, as he was with Dooku. He's obviously physically stronger and has far more stamina. Look how winded Yoda was when toying with Dooku in AoTC. He wasn't even going all out and he was virtually panting midway. The problem with Yoda's form is that is leaves various openings while jumping around, and someone of Anakin's skill could capitalize on that.

Force fight - no contest. Yoda smashes the young Jedi.

hmm.. I was actually lookin at the ATOC novel the other day, and it states Yoda was exhausted after his fight with Dooku.

But still i see Anakin having a better chance against Sidious in Sabers than against Yoda.. Anakins style doesnt have the elegance and precision that makashi does. and I can just see Anakin with his personality getting really frustrated at Yoda jumping all around him.

Talking in Sabers of course. with the Force Yoda or Sidious would kill Anakin.

Well it should have also stated that Yoda doesn't want to hurt Dooku, but only capture him.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well it should have also stated that Yoda doesn't want to hurt Dooku, but only capture him.

well it did state yoda saying Capturing Dooku was the mission. but nothing about NOT hurting him AT ALL..

i mean seriously do you think Yoda would not even have hurt Dooku a little bit?? not even a cut like Dooku gave to Obi1??

technically he could have chopped his arms and legs off and still CAPTURE him..

Dookus below Yoda for sure.. no question. but hes proabably like 8 tenths of him.. kind of like Vader is to Sidious(except Vader might be an easier kill by Sidious due to his suits weakness to Force Lightning).

which means Dooku does put up a decent fight first before getting killed, and wnt be such an easy kill by Yoda with both hands tied behind his back like people are trying to make out.