Originally posted by Allankles
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Superman-TheDarkSide_133.jpgIt suggests that in the final analysis Darkseid > Yuga Khan
That's from Elseworld comics.
Originally posted by Allankles
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Superman-TheDarkSide_133.jpgIt suggests that in the final analysis Darkseid > Yuga Khan
That's from Elseworld comics.
Originally posted by Allankles
It was Khan's 15 minutes, no one said he wasn't uber powerful himself.http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Superman-TheDarkSide_133.jpg
It suggests that in the final analysis Darkseid > Yuga Khan
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
That's from Elseworld comics.
I cant believe you would go this far and try to use an elseworlds comic as proof.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
That's from Elseworld comics.
Did I say it wasn't? I said it suggests Darkseid > Yuga Khan eventually. Hell going by their respective symbolism Darkseid > Yuga since DS harnessed Oblivion itself and Yuga claimed that DS is the only one that can overthrow him. With DS' knowledge (soul fire and anti-life equations) he could also manipulate the source entirely (even more so than Khan).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its against forum rules and you tried to pass it off. In the main dcu Seid doesnt compare to Yuga Khan.
He surpasses Khan since he has power over oblivion itself through completely harnessing the Omega Force/Effect and has the knowledge to completely dominate and control the Source.
Yuga Khan himself acknowledged that Darkseid had the power to overthrow him, but doesn't because of the Father/Son clause.
EDIT: Plus Yuga is very powerful, and as you know he had greater mastery over the Source than Darkseid at the time. Yuga was fully powered up so Darkseid (as a poster already mentioned) made a tactical retreat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its against forum rules and you tried to pass it off. In the main dcu Seid doesnt compare to Yuga Khan.
And there was no difference in power level or difference in the characters in this story, so it qualifies as supporting evidence. This is re enforced by the fact that it was already suggested by Khan that his son could defeat him.
Originally posted by AllanklesRead the comic because it was clear that Yuga Khan pretty much shit all over Seid and the new gods in general. He took over Darkseid's planet easily. When has Darkseid ever done anything on that level under his own power?
He surpasses Khan since he has power over oblivion itself through completely harnessing the Omega Force/Effect and has the knowledge to completely dominate and control the Source.Yuga Khan himself acknowledged that Darkseid had the power to overthrow him, but doesn't because of the Father/Son clause.
EDIT: Plus Yuga is very powerful, and as you know he had greater mastery over the Source than Darkseid at the time. Yuga was fully powered up so Darkseid (as a poster already mentioned) made a tactical retreat.
Originally posted by Allankles
And there was no difference in power level or difference in the characters in this story, so it qualifies as supporting evidence. This is re enforced by the fact that it was already suggested by Khan that his son could defeat him.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231Its not canon. Your going against forum rules. We have nothing on panel in that story anyways to show us how Seid even killed his father. Sorry,Yuga>>Darkseid until further notice.
Elseworlds... not canon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its not canon. Your going against forum rules. We have nothing on panel in that story anyways to show us how Seid even killed his father. Sorry,Yuga>>Darkseid until further notice.
That's your opinion, Yuga's opinion is that Darkseid > Yuga Khan potentially. Yuga's opinion in this case >>> Your opinion.
Add to that Darkseid's possesses knowledge to dominate and control the source completely and Darkseid > Yuga Khan. Point is, there's plenty supporting evidence to suggest that Darkseid > Yuga.
Darkseid now (not when Yuga reclaimed Apokolips), has the knowledge to dominate the source, this coupled with his power over oblivion through the Omega Force means he ultimately has surpassed his father, both in potential power and knowledge over the Source.
EDIT: Also, (you seem to ignore this) Darkseid's position in the pantheon is ultimetely above Yuga's since he had total control of the Omega Force, every one that tried to take it before him was destroyed.
The name Darkseid was feared by all the deities in the universe because the god that harnessed the power of oblivion itself, would have this name - according to the lore of the old gods.
Originally posted by quanchi112...
Its not canon. Your going against forum rules.
Didn't you try and make a case out of the alternate reality Gladiator as being usable in the forum for 616 Glads... like less than a month ago?
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Anyway, I'd like to see the scans again for Yuga saying Darkseid could kill him... because I remember there being 'more' to it that that.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
...Didn't you try and make a case out of the alternate reality Gladiator as being usable in the forum for 616 Glads... like less than a month ago?
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Anyway, I'd like to see the scans again for Yuga saying Darkseid could kill him... because I remember there being 'more' to it that that.
They were playing with this whole thing about how a son can't kill his father by New Gods edict. Darkseid was trying to get Orion to kill him inside "The Lump" so that Darkseid could kill Yuga Khan.
I believe what was ACTUALLY said was that Darkseid was the only one powerful enough to kill him, but because a son couldn't kill his father he was no threat.
I'll check and bring it up for you if you want.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
...Didn't you try and make a case out of the alternate reality Gladiator as being usable in the forum for 616 Glads... like less than a month ago?
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Anyway, I'd like to see the scans again for Yuga saying Darkseid could kill him... because I remember there being 'more' to it that that.
He didn't talk about being killed the Father/Son clause was in effect. But in an Elseworld story Darkseid killed him - the scan I posted on this thread. As for what Yuga actually said, he stated that only Darkseid had the power to defeat him.
Originally posted by DesaadYa, that would be helpful.
They were playing with this whole thing about how a son can't kill his father by New Gods edict. Darkseid was trying to get Orion to kill him inside "The Lump" so that Darkseid could kill Yuga Khan.I believe what was ACTUALLY said was that Darkseid was the only one powerful enough to kill him, but because a son couldn't kill his father he was no threat.
I'll check and bring it up for you if you want.
I remember making a case about this a while ago, and I can't remember the specifics. I know that the story was based off of the son not being able to kill the father, but I'm not sure if in Yuga's case power was brought up.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhen did Yuga say that Darkseid is more powerful than Yuga?
That's your opinion, Yuga's opinion is that Darkseid > Yuga Khan potentially. Yuga's opinion in this case >>> Your opinion.Add to that Darkseid's possesses knowledge to dominate and control the source completely and Darkseid > Yuga Khan. Point is, there's plenty supporting evidence to suggest that Darkseid > Yuga.
Darkseid now (not when Yuga reclaimed Apokolips), has the knowledge to dominate the source, this coupled with his power over oblivion through the Omega Force means he ultimately has surpassed his father, both in potential power and knowledge over the Source.
EDIT: Also, (you seem to ignore this) Darkseid's position in the pantheon is ultimetely above Yuga's since he had total control of the Omega Force, every one that tried to take it before him was destroyed.
The name Darkseid was feared by all the deities in the universe because the god that harnessed the power of oblivion itself, would have this name - according to the lore of the old gods.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Darkseid could manipulate the Source better than Yuga,couple that with the fact Yuga easily destroyed darkseid along with the rest of the new gods and I think its clear Yuga>>Darkseid. Darkseid has the power necessary to kill him imo but Yuga is far too powerful to lose to his son.
The rst of your post is gobbleygook. In the only story Yuga was in it was pretty obvious>>>Darkseid.
Originally posted by Red HulkYes,his abilities didnt change during that story. This alternate reality had Seid killing Yuga. Different situations.
...Didn't you try and make a case out of the alternate reality Gladiator as being usable in the forum for 616 Glads... like less than a month ago?
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Anyway, I'd like to see the scans again for Yuga saying Darkseid could kill him... because I remember there being 'more' to it that that.
Originally posted by DesaadSeid was the only one supposedly powerful enough to kill Yuga,but Yuga was a lot more powerful than his son.
They were playing with this whole thing about how a son can't kill his father by New Gods edict. Darkseid was trying to get Orion to kill him inside "The Lump" so that Darkseid could kill Yuga Khan.I believe what was ACTUALLY said was that Darkseid was the only one powerful enough to kill him, but because a son couldn't kill his father he was no threat.
I'll check and bring it up for you if you want.
Originally posted by Red HulkUhm I was using Glads feats basing them off his abilities because they hadnt changed. He cant use off panel Seid killing Yuga as proof. Seid still had the same abilties but he was referencing an event not his abilities. This isnt hard to grasp.
Huh?I don't recall Darkseid's powers changing either...