Originally posted by BackFire
Actor - Russel Crowe - Gladiator (I think he won)Actress - Julia Roberts - Erin Brockovich (Shoulda went to Ellen Burstyn for her amazing part in Requiem for a Dream).
Movie - Gladiator (An exceptionally generic movie, still surprising that it got any awards or nominations for anything).
Can't remember the competition for either of the Gladiator categories. glare
I was REALLY hoping someone would bring up Roberts. I could not agree with you more. I thought someone would've stomped his/her foot down my throat! 🙁
Impediment lol1
Gladiator was up against Traffic, Chocolat, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and Erin Brokovich for Best Film that year.
I also laugh when a film wins Best Film, yet it didn't win for Best DIRECTOR, or Best SCREENPLAY... two important things that contribute to a film... ala what happened with Gladiator. For Gladiator, didn't win Best Cinematography, Actress, Supporting Actor and so on. Yet it still won Best film.
Originally posted by MildPossession
Gladiator was up against Traffic, Chocolat, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and Erin Brokovich for Best Film that year.
...For Gladiator, didn't win Best Cinematography...
Someone mention their thoughts on JAMIE FOXX winning best actor for RAY when DiCaprio [sp] was up for The Aviator. Someone PLEASE bring up Foxx!
anyway...who do i think didn't deserve the oscars for best actor or actress
Kevin Costner in 1990 for dances with wolves...should've went to deniro for awakenings...although Kathy Bates deserved it for misery
1993 was a very competative year....Hanks in Philadelphia...DDL in in the name of the father...Liam Neeson in Schindlers list...all outstanding performances...cant really pick between them so cant argue as to who should have won
but best supporting actor was a shambles...Tommy lee Jones?...when Ralph Fiennes was up for it for Schindlers list...total travesty
1995...cant believe Nicholas Cage has ever won an oscar...the man is devoid of talent...total disgrace
Geoffry Rush for Shine in 1996?...mmm...although not sure who i'd have picked out of the other nominees to be honest...probably Ralph Fiennes
Kevin Spacey in 1997?...i loved American Beauty but i dont think he should've won over Denzel Washington in Hurricane
Crowe in Gladiator over any of the other performances?...total pandering nonsense
Originally posted by jaden101
...Kevin Costner...
1993 was a very competative year....Hanks in Philadelphia...DDL in in the name of the father...Liam Neeson in Schindlers list...all outstanding performances...cant really pick between them so cant argue as to who should have won
but best supporting actor was a shambles...Tommy lee Jones?...when Ralph Fiennes was up for it for Schindlers list...total travesty
1995...cant believe Nicholas Cage has ever won an oscar...the man is devoid of talent...total disgrace
Geoffry Rush for Shine in 1996?...mmm...although not sure who i'd have picked out of the other nominees to be honest...probably Ralph Fiennes
Originally posted by jaden101
just out of curiousity...do you feel that way about Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump...and if you've seen it Mathieu Amalric as Jean-Dominique Bauby in Diving bell and the butterfly?
No. I think if a person gives a great performance playing a handicap, then he/she should get due credit, like Tom Hanks did for Forrest Gump (I haven't seen Diving Bell, so I can't comment). However, I don't think that a performance like that should hold more weight than another great performance that isn't a handicap role.
So, while I think roles like Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump, Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot, and Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man were incredible, I don't think that Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby, Sean Penn in I Am Sam, or Leonardo DiCaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? were.
Originally posted by agphoenix
I agree completely about the comment about 'Boys Don't Cry' [although that was a disturbing movie for me]. As far as using 'I am Sam' as the basis of the 'handicap roles' discussion, I'd have to say that that movie was more of a 'lets try and purposely pull the viewers' emotional strings' in order to make it a good movie.
'My Left Foot' with Daniel Day Lewis: absolutely phenomenal and deserving in every way.
'A Beautiful Mind' with Russell Crowe: great performance of a handicapped character.
I understand that you are tired of handicap roles getting more credit than they deserve, but I guarantee you that for every non-deserving movie I can come up with one that well-deserves it.
I agree. There are plenty of movies where someone plays a handicap person and does it terrifically. Just look at Javier Bardem in The Sea Inside. He was amazing. I'm not knocking handicap roles. I just don't like it when an actor playing a handicap role gets more credit for their performance than they should have.
Originally posted by jaden101
anyway...who do i think didn't deserve the oscars for best actor or actressKevin Costner in 1990 for dances with wolves...should've went to deniro for awakenings...although Kathy Bates deserved it for misery
He didn't win it. It went to Jeremy Irons for Reversal of Fortune, a much deserved Oscar for that role.
Originally posted by jaden101
1993 was a very competative year....Hanks in Philadelphia...DDL in in the name of the father...Liam Neeson in Schindlers list...all outstanding performances...cant really pick between them so cant argue as to who should have wonbut best supporting actor was a shambles...Tommy lee Jones?...when Ralph Fiennes was up for it for Schindlers list...total travesty
I actually agreed with the winner. I would have been happy with Ralph Fiennes winning, too.
Originally posted by jaden101
1995...cant believe Nicholas Cage has ever won an oscar...the man is devoid of talent...total disgrace
He was great in that movie, but I don't think he should have won. I preferred Sean Penn for Dead Man Walking that year.
Originally posted by jaden101
Geoffry Rush for Shine in 1996?...mmm...although not sure who i'd have picked out of the other nominees to be honest...probably Ralph Fiennes
Agreed. This was a tough one.
Originally posted by jaden101
Kevin Spacey in 1997?...i loved American Beauty but i dont think he should've won over Denzel Washington in Hurricane
I preferred Spacey's role here. I had Denzel third behind Russell Crowe for The Insider.
Originally posted by jaden101
Crowe in Gladiator over any of the other performances?...total pandering nonsense
Oh yeah. That was a terrible choice. Damn near every other nominee was better than him here.
Originally posted by agphoenixI liked him quite a bit in that one. Although...was Ralph up for 'The English Patient'?
yip
He didn't win it. It went to Jeremy Irons for Reversal of Fortune, a much deserved Oscar for that role.
oh yeah...it was best director he got for it wasn't it...oops...my mistake
No. I think if a person gives a great performance playing a handicap, then he/she should get due credit, like Tom Hanks did for Forrest Gump (I haven't seen Diving Bell, so I can't comment). However, I don't think that a performance like that should hold more weight than another great performance that isn't a handicap role.
you should check it out...amazing film...and yeah i agre about your point about disabled roles
Originally posted by celestialdemon
...So, while I think roles like Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump, Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot, and Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man were incredible, I don't think that Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby, Sean Penn in I Am Sam, or Leonardo DiCaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape? were.
What are your thought about DiCaprio in 'The Aviator'? [which will bring up my issue with Foxx in 'Ray'.]
jaden101 Ralph...English Patient...then yeah, should've been him
Diving Bell: excellent movie
Roland THANK YOU...I KNEW i was forgetting one Of Cage's films. [ref: my earlier post] Yes, I thought he wonderful in that one.
Crowe won for gladiator over javier bardem for before the night falls, tom hanks for cast away , ed harris for pollock and geoffrey rush for quills, a total travesty.
Tommy Lee Jones won over ralph fiennes for shindler list, leonardo dicaprio for gilbert grape, john malkovich for in the line of fire and pete postwlate for in the name of the father, travesty.
Helen Hunt won over julie christie for afterglow, kate winslet for titanic, helena boham carter for the wings of the dove and judy dench for mrs brown, travesty.
julia roberts won over everyone, travesty.
Halle berry winning over everyone, travesty.
In fact, the oscars history is one travesty history.
Originally posted by bakerboy
...In fact, the oscars history is one travesty history...
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To some extent I suppose. but 'history' ?
I was almost ECSTATIC about the fact that Benecio Del Toro won [Best Supporting Actor I believe] for 'Traffic'.
Great, mind you SLOW.
I think it was you jaden101 who mentioned not having watched 'The English Patient'. Good movie, but imo extremely slow-paced. I think that in itself might have been part of why the Oscar didn't lean towards him. I think that often movies that have not received as much exposure end up getting the bitter end. Not always, but often.
Which reminds me that I was very pleasantly surprised when 'Depp' was [either nominated or won] for 'Pirates'. Because I couldn't think of many movies in Oscar history that fell under the comedy/action/thrillers category that were even considered for awards.
Originally posted by gryphon28
Jamie Fox played that part in Ray I think he definitely deserved the Oscar
Aaaaah. Someone brings it up!
If I'm correct about the year, I believe DiCaprio was up for 'The Aviator'. Now both were playing historical figures with their own eccentricities, achievements and tragedies. How do you personally measure their performances?
Obviously, I believe DiCaprio should have won 'Best Actor' instead.
Originally posted by agphoenix
Which reminds me that I was very pleasantly surprised when 'Depp' was [either nominated or won] for 'Pirates'. Because I couldn't think of many movies in Oscar history that fell under the comedy/action/thrillers category that were even considered for awards.
I feel the opposite. I really don't think that any Pirates Of The Caribbean movie, role or anything deserved even a nomination.