Originally posted by agphoenix
Oooh, I forgot Cuba was in there that year. I might have to retract my opinion about Norton for that Oscar. Cuba was phenomenal. You couldn't tell the difference between Cuba and the character he was playing if you wanted to.Yeah, he's probably one of the most under-rated actors today too. Unfortunately he has the one thing that's mauled the Oscars in history and that's his ethnicity. There aren't nearly as many African American lead roles as others. In fact, if I remember correctly, when Denzel won the Oscar for [can't remember], I believe he was only the second African American actor to win in Oscar history, after Sidney Pottier[sp]. And that was after a 40 year gap or so. Same stands true for Pan's Labyrinth and the crew involved. Actors etc. of Spanish descent are even less likely to come across a leading role [remember I'm talking Oscars, America]. I remember hearing all the hoop-la on the TV when they were broadcasting the Oscars that year; how it was an amazing year for Hispanics in history.
I think the Academy is getting far better at recognizing black actors now. In the 90's, there were only 9 black actors nominated for roles, with only 2 winning (both supporting) This decade so far, 14 black actors have been nominated with 6 winning (4 being lead roles). That's a far cry from the 40 year gap between wins like you mentioned.
I completely agree with you about Spanish decent actors not getting them right now, though. I think only 3 has been nominated in the past 20 years, and that was Salma Hayek, Penelope Cruz, and Catalina Sandino Moreno.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I...This decade so far, 14 black actors have been nominated with 6 winning (4 being lead roles)...
Originally posted by agphoenix
4 leads? Really? Who? I can't think of anyone except Denzel, and he'll always deserve it.
Oh wait, Whitaker huh?
Yeah ok, who're the other 2? I'd look it up, but then this would not be as much fun! [well...somewhat fun!]
The other 2 are Jamie Foxx and Halle Berry.
Whitaker definitely deserved his role. He was scary good in Last King. I honestly don't think Denzel deserved to win for Training Day. HOWEVER, he was screwed out of his Oscar back in '92 for Malcolm X.
Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction and Shawshank Redemption.
English Patient over Fargo.
Titanic over anything.
Crash over anything.
Gladiator over anything.
Silence of the Lambs over Beauty and the Beast.
Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas.
The French Connection over A Clockwork Orange
Ordinary People over Raging Bull.
Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn.
Hilary Swank over Kate Winslet.
Alan Arkin over Djimon Hounsou or Eddie Murphy.
Cuba Gooding Jr over William H Macy
Martin Landau over Sam Jackson
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon over PT Anderson for screenplay.
Originally posted by agphoenix
Aaaaah. Someone brings it up!If I'm correct about the year, I believe DiCaprio was up for 'The Aviator'. Now both were playing historical figures with their own eccentricities, achievements and tragedies. How do you personally measure their performances?
Obviously, I believe DiCaprio should have won 'Best Actor' instead.
I don't think so, Jamie Fox sounded like Ray when he singed and how he moved was just like a blind man like I said he played that part
Originally posted by gryphon28
I don't think so, Jamie Fox sounded like Ray when he singed and how he moved was just like a blind man like I said he played that part
Personally, I think Mr. Foxx deserved an Oscar. Foxx managed to pull of a very, very believable Ray Charles, especially in the context of the film being presented. I think a lot of people who claim differently don't know too much about Ray Charles or what it involves to totally become another person, a real person, for a movie.
Originally posted by Devil King
...I think a lot of people who claim differently don't know too much about Ray Charles or what it involves to totally become another person, a real person, for a movie...
I know more than I needed to know for the movie, and that's well enough. But in all honesty, I really am a Ray Charles fan and know a decent deal about him so...I don't believe you should include me in the generalization about not knowing enough. IMO it's just that I understand that the last part of your comment; about playing other people is mute.
Why? Because they were both playing another person, and unless either of us have had years of acting experience, knowing 'what it takes' is not really an informed comparison.
As far as moving like a blind man...I'm sorry but I think it's a tad easier to move your head back and forth than it is to portray Howard Hughes' disorder in 'The Aviator'. Again, I'm not an actor, but it would seem to me that practicing your part by closing your eyes and pulling off some very great scenes...differs a lot from a slow progression from a healthy man to one who had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) when he died.
Some of you mentioned Jamie's singing. I'm an Audio Engineer and my friend [also an Audio Engineer] lives in Seattle and let me in on a well-known [ok not well-known 😎 ] fact amongst their little clan. Jamie Fox DID sing the songs BUT, Charles' original voice was modulated and mixed in with Jamie's! Basically the final sound you heard was an 'engineered' version of both; Jamie and Charles.
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction and Shawshank Redemption.
English Patient over Fargo.
Titanic over anything.
Crash over anything.
Gladiator over anything.
Silence of the Lambs over Beauty and the Beast.
Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas.
The French Connection over A Clockwork Orange
Ordinary People over Raging Bull.
Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn.
Hilary Swank over Kate Winslet.
Alan Arkin over Djimon Hounsou or Eddie Murphy.
Cuba Gooding Jr over William H Macy
Martin Landau over Sam Jackson
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon over PT Anderson for screenplay.
I don't know what 'Crash' was up against, but it kicked A$$ [imo].
So wait...'Silence of the Lambs' should NOT have beaten 'The Beauty and the Thingy'?
Cannot BELIEVE the 'Raging Bull' decision.
Originally posted by agphoenix
PEOPLE PEOPLE:[b]'Citizen Kane'
: Oscar for Best Movie back in 1941 I believe.Also on almost every movie aficionado's website as one of the top 3 movies of ALL TIME.
I don't care who should have won. Has anyone actually tried watching it? And made it all the way through without praying to slip into a coma? [/B]
That, The Godfather and It's A Wonderful Life are the 3 most overrated movies of all time in my opinion.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That, The Godfather and It's A Wonderful Life are the 3 most overrated movies of all time in my opinion.
Forgive me, I'm going to have a heart attack and it has nothing to do with YOU, and you are of course entitled to your own opi...
OMFG!!!
Please tell me you looked at my profile and are just trying to hurt me. Please?
'The Godfather'? HOW the HECK is that movie overrated? fear