DE Sidious vs ROTS Yoda, Mace, Anakin, and Obi Wan

Yeah, well in all my Vulcan logic if its a force fight, then Palpatine takes it with serious difficulty(the sheer numbers,if two are taken out early then he still gonna feel some wear and tear but nowhere near as much)

Close-up sabers, is a different story(if he can take out Mace and somebody else early its a definite) while Anakin and Ob1 will have a funeral for damn sure, I simply don't know if Palpatine is going to survive this either..(I admit my ignorance, for I have wisdom Unlike Kotar Thweey)

Obviously. I've said it before: if it were a lightsaber duel, they'd take it with extraordinarily stupid ease.

nu-uh...
he'd kill one of them

so that splitardedly easy

Stop breathing.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stop breathing.

ROFL why is this still going on. Stop being a fanboy Gideon. Palps doesnt magically wave his hand and annihilate people. Force storm isnt applicable here, so that leaves us with Palpys force lightning as his primary force attack. I already explained to Darkserpent how this will not be effective against 4 opponents because he will have to split his power, and Yoda or Mace will inevitably break out of his half assed lightning attack and then force it into a saber battle. 1v4 with two opponents being rather close to Sids in power, I think you will agree that the Jedi win out. And your underrating Anakin and Obi Wan alot. They are far from weak, in fact it could stand to reason that Anakin is close to DE Luke in power. Think about it, Anakin has as much potential as Luke does if not more, and has trained alot longer. I'll grant that DE Luke has shown more impressive feats.

But either way, Sids dies in this battle, the odds are stacked against him.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
ROFL why is this still going on. Stop being a fanboy Gideon. Palps doesnt magically wave his hand and annihilate people. Force storm isnt applicable here, so that leaves us with Palpys force lightning as his primary force attack. I already explained to Darkserpent how this will not be effective against 4 opponents because he will have to split his power, and Yoda or Mace will inevitably break out of his half assed lightning attack and then force it into a saber battle. 1v4 with two opponents being rather close to Sids in power, I think you will agree that the Jedi win out. And your underrating Anakin and Obi Wan alot. They are far from weak, in fact it could stand to reason that Anakin is close to DE Luke in power. Think about it, Anakin has as much potential as Luke does if not more, and has trained alot longer. I'll grant that DE Luke has shown more impressive feats.

But either way, Sids dies in this battle, the odds are stacked against him.

Gideon is FAR from being a fanboy seeing that he is one of, if not the best debater(in my opinion) in the SWV as well as one of the most respected and acknowledged.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Dude shut the hell up, if its any one being a fanboy here its you considering that your extremely biased against sidious and a kotor raging hormone fanboy.

Gideon is FAR from being a fanboy seeing that he is one of, if not the best debater(in my opinion) in the SWV as well as one of the most respected and acknowledged.

Owned.

Originally posted by Gideon
No, we are not talking about "Anakin & Luke", we are talking about Anakin & Kenobi and how they are relevant in this duel. They aren't, and your incessant ramblings that "LOLZ JEDI ARE LEARNED HOW TO FIGHT 2GETHER!" doesn't make it so.

If your goal is to reach new levels of incompetence, I've gotta tell you, you're fast succeeding.

[B]LUKE AND VADER ARE IRRELEVANT.

Your point was something along the lines of "LOLZ YODA AND MACE WILL SOMEHOW JOIN WITH ANI AND OBI AND MAKE AN INCREDIBLE COHESIVE TEAM!"

My point was "LOL YOU'RE A RETARD. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO FIGHT ALONG SIDE ONE ANOTHER *proceeds to cite example of how the Jedi's greatest duo was unable to perform cohesively against Dooku*"

Your rebuttal was "LOLZ JEDI ALWAYS FIGHT WELL TOGETHER NAAA!"

Ah, yes, I did forget something. In addition to the verbal excrement you provided above, your other point was:

"LOLZ ANAKIN WILL AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A RANDOM BOOST IN TEH FORCE AND HELP OWN SIDZ!"

...Except you haven't proven how or when that will happen or how that somehow makes Anakin immune to Sidious's vastly superior Force energies.

Yeah, look, I'll only be nice about this once: you have made absolutely zero points of relevance. You haven't quantified or substantiated any of your asinine claims. You have in effect only succeeded in wasting space, much like DarkSerpent. You are no better than he is. Don't mock me, you're wasting time. Especially when I point out how big of an ass you are. When you want to be the e-bad boy or whatever on campass, at least make sure you're taken seriously.

You're not. Your points are shit. Accept it and move on with what little life you have on the side.

EDIT: I'll be damned. DarkSerpent actually made a logical and cogent point. Guess he's climbed over you in the debating ladder. [/B]

You are quite funny. You are being nice as if I need you to be. Get off the high seat. I already stated that I was not serious when I made this thread. But look the great debater is going to show everyone how DE Sidious could win.

Great debaters do not need to throw in insults, they give good and valid arguments as to why there points are correct.

Here is some point’s great debater, you never gave any examples as to what force attacks Sidious would use to take Anakin and Obi Wan out quickly. Clearly if you have you could have changed people minds. All you said was "Palpatine's mastery of the Force at this point is demonstrably higher by a notable degree than Kenobi's, Skywalker's, Windu's, or Yoda's". Duh!

Gideon you are full of yourself and you make me laugh with your arguments. Oh and you are the silly one to think that two Jedi won’t work coordinate together under the right leadership. They are trained soldiers but once again I should be quite against the great debater.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Dude shut the hell up, if its any one being a fanboy here its you considering that your extremely biased against sidious and a kotor raging hormone fanboy.

Gideon is FAR from being a fanboy seeing that he is one of, if not the best debater(in my opinion) in the SWV as well as one of the most respected and acknowledged.

Why does he need to shut up? GV brought up good arguments that have not been addressed. GV point is that Sidious would not be able to execute certain force attacks. Does this would lead to a saber fight.

If you cannot bring up a valid argument then don't reply. No one needs to here about how good Gideon is at throwing insults. He definitely has not shown good debating skills in this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
so that splitardedly easy

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stop breathing.

And Vengeance, Gideon's right. If Sidious manages to kill Mace with the Force, he wins. The only one who's a remote threat to him in that field is Yoda, and even he has no shot at a win alone. Anakin and Obi-Wan are too slow and lack the Force capabilities to do anything at all to the Sith Lord. So the only one here who can take him down is Mace, and that's if he manages to submerge himself in Vaapad quickly and turn Sidious' speed into his own. From there, victory for the Jedi is a likelihood. But if Mace dies, they all die, and if Yoda dies, they all probably die.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Why does he need to shut up? GV brought up good arguments that have not been addressed. GV point is that Sidious would not be able to execute certain force attacks. Does this would lead to a saber fight.

My god are you that delusional?

GV is FAR from even being close to a half decent debater(IMO), i don't consider kotor fanboys with raging hormones good debaters, especially those who jerk off everytime they hear "revan" or "nihilus" 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Kotor3

If you cannot bring up a valid argument then don't reply. No one needs to here about how good Gideon is at throwing insults. He definitely has not shown good debating skills in this thread.

And please don't tell me crap like "Z0mG g!d3oN i$ n0 tExP0s!nG h!s d!ck t0 sh0W h!s Ub@h d3b@t!ng skiLs In t!s tHr3@d" when you are simply lying to yourself about it.
Face it, hes far better than you.

Oh and incase you didn't notice(its funny because you claimed that you had been reading these forums even before you registered) is that the good debaters in this forum tend to insult people when they argue(Gideon, Lightsnake, Advent, Faunus, darth sexy), even i tend to insult sometimes but there are times it becomes necessary to do so.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Good arguments? Good arguments and bullshit claims such as sidious not becoming anymore powerful in DE when it is stated in various sources that he did? How about crap like "Omg S!d!oUs c@n't us3 f@rce st0rM B3Cuz ! s@y s0!!!!!1!111!!oneone!!11one"

My god are you that delusional?

You have not proven they are not. So I disagree. I feel they are good arguments. No thanks for your opinion though.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger

GV is FAR from even being close to a half decent debater(IMO), i don't consider kotor fanboys with raging hormones good debaters, especially those who jerk off everytime they hear "revan" or "nihilus" 😆 😆 😆 😆
The thing is i CAN bring up solid and valid arguments but the only problem is i simply don't give a shit about debating in this forum seeing that i have far better things to do(preparing for a bodybuilding contest and school).

I wasn't expecting any valid arguments on this thread. I am surprise it went this far.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger

And please don't tell me crap like "Z0mG g!d3oN i$ n0 tExP0s!nG h!s d!ck t0 sh0W h!s Ub@h d3b@t!ng skiLs In t!s tHr3@d" when you are simply lying to yourself about it.
[b]Face it, hes far better than you.[/B]

Well we do know one thing, you love Gideon!

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger

Oh and incase you didn't notice(its funny because you claimed that you had been reading these forums even before you registered) is that the good debaters in this forum tend to insult people when they argue(Gideon, Lightsnake, Advent, Faunus, darth sexy), even i tend to insult sometimes but there are times it becomes [b]necessary to do so. [/B]

Yes I have and there are people who I feel are jackasses but I will not name them. Just because I have seen insults does not mean I will let them go by especially when there is no reason for it.

This thread is not a serious one. Gideon threw out insults why because his pride was hurt? Don't try to make an excuse for him, we know you love him. 🙄

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
ROFL why is this still going on. Stop being a fanboy Gideon. Palps doesnt magically wave his hand and annihilate people.

Force storm isnt applicable here, so that leaves us with Palpys force lightning as his primary force attack.

I already explained to Darkserpent how this will not be effective against 4 opponents because he will have to split his power, and Yoda or Mace will inevitably break out of his half assed lightning attack and then force it into a saber battle.

No, Sidious could tear up Anakin and Obi-Wan fairly easily here. But that's where he stops, because with Yoda on top of him he won't be able to kill Windu fast enough to prevent the Vaapad effect.

They are far from weak, in fact it could stand to reason that Anakin is close to DE Luke in power. Think about it, Anakin has as much potential as Luke does if not more, and has trained alot longer. I'll grant that DE Luke has shown more impressive feats.

Since your so fond of being obnoxious, it be great to hand your ass to you.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You have not proven they are not. So I disagree. I feel they are good arguments. No thanks for your opinion though.

Faunus(one of the great ones) just had the liberty to happily smash that excuse for an argument to pieces.

You sir remind me of the geth from mass effect, the more of them gathered, the more intelligent they get, but when we talk about kotor fanboys(such as yourself), the more of them you mix together , the less intelligent they become.

Apparently you seem to sexually fellate GV ALOT.

Originally posted by Kotor3

I wasn't expecting any valid arguments on this thread. I am surprise it went this far.

Originally posted by Kotor3

Well we do know one thing, you love Gideon!

Originally posted by Kotor3

Yes I have and there are people who I feel are jackasses but I will not name them. Just because I have seen insults does not mean I will let them go by especially when there is no reason for it.

Originally posted by Kotor3

This thread is not a serious one. Gideon threw out insults why because his pride was hurt? Don't try to make an excuse for him, we know you love him. 🙄

I'm not making an excuse for him "friend", had you actually spent a little more time in SWV you would realise that everybody insults one another during frustrating and heated debates, just because they are good debaters does not mean they are angels, its all human nature pal.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Since your so fond of being obnoxious, it be great to hand your ass to you.
I don't need to "prove" that they are not "good" arguments, anybody with half a brain can tell that his arguments are riddled with blatant bullshit.

You sir remind me of the geth from mass effect, the more of them gathered, the more intelligent they get, but when we talk about kotor fanboys, the more of them you mix together(such as yourself) , the less intelligent they become.

Apparently you seem to sexually fellate GV ALOT.

Then get the f*ck off.

Bad attempt at a comeback, and as a catholic we DO believe in loving others, not in that gay sense such as you who has extremely disturbing fantasies with kotor characters.

Please what could you possibly do to them? Like anybody actually gives half a shit for your motives.
Pride? Gideon? LOL he insults when it is necessary, i don't see him as a "proud biatch" unlike you who thinks so highly of himself.

I'm not making an excuse for him "friend", had you actually spent a little more time in SWV you would realise that everybody insults one another during frustrating and heated debates, just because they are good debaters does not mean they are angels, its all human nature pal.

You really handed my ass to me with those statements. Cool down Schwarzenegger, nobody is calling you gay. Cursing now are we? Even though this is quite entertaining to me I will leave you alone since you are so sensitive.

There doesn't even seem a remote possibility that sidious could win. Has this seriously been debated for 5 pages? You have what were probably the TOP FOUR duelists in the order against one sith lord. This lord is the extremely powerful sidious, true, BUT was defeated by a DE Luke and Leia. Now: if this thread were Luke and Leia from DE against the 4, there would be no chance of them winning. it would be laughable at best. Luke was a weaker version of himself in DE than we know of him now, this was before JA was it not?

all that besides, think of the technical aspect of this fight. We say that the B team was owned by Sidious in ROTS because they didn't have the speed to even see or comprehend what was happening compared to Sidoius. Obviously this was not the case for Mace or Yoda, and our own eyes tell us that Obi-wan and Anakin fought at an even greater speed in ROTS, so you can't assume they would be slaughtered like the B team was.

If sidious stood back and attacked them with the force, his most powerful attack that would work in close combat would be lightning, and it ABSOLUTELY is the most powerful attack we know of him using in combat, not to mention that Sith after Sith after sith has used it in combat, not some crazy ritual, so chances are its the most effective attack, and therefore the one sidious will use.
Each of these jedi can at the very least catch lightning on his saber. Yoda can catch it. (perhaps not against DE sidious however, but he could still use the classic lightsaber defense)
If sidious has DOUBLED in power between ROTS and DE, which is unlikely considering the scant amount of time to pass compared to the rest of his training, then he is still going to be required to do the following: split lightning between FOUR opponents at once. This means one of them will not recieve more than 1/2 of his attack from ROTS. Mace or Yoda could hold off such an attack with relative ease, and i have a hard time believing the other two would be overwhelmed, unless you are putting mace and yoda on a level TWICE as powerful as anakin and obi-wan. Once that attack fails, its on to a saber duel, and then Sidious dies. If he concentrates his entire attack on one opponent at once, he would probably succeed in killing about ONE of his opponents before someone else cut him down. He can't launch a full out lightning storm on someone and defend himself with a lightsaber at the same time.
I just don't understand how sidious could be thought to have a chance in this, nothing against sidious, but he is facing probably 4 of the top 10 duelist in history. Sidous would HAVE to use an attack other than lightning, if anyone knows of something else that sidious knows to destroy the jedi with the force other than lightning, present that knowledge, and i'll rethink my assessment, but you split 2x his ROTS voltage by four, and i just don't think its possible.

Originally posted by truejedi
There doesn't even seem a remote possibility that sidious could win. Has this seriously been debated for 5 pages? You have what were probably the TOP FOUR duelists in the order against one sith lord. This lord is the extremely powerful sidious, true, BUT was defeated by a DE Luke and Leia. Now: if this thread were Luke and Leia from DE against the 4, there would be no chance of them winning. it would be laughable at best. Luke was a weaker version of himself in DE than we know of him now, this was before JA was it not?

all that besides, think of the technical aspect of this fight. We say that the B team was owned by Sidious in ROTS because they didn't have the speed to even see or comprehend what was happening compared to Sidoius. Obviously this was not the case for Mace or Yoda, and our own eyes tell us that Obi-wan and Anakin fought at an even greater speed in ROTS, so you can't assume they would be slaughtered like the B team was.

If sidious stood back and attacked them with the force, his most powerful attack that would work in close combat would be lightning, and it ABSOLUTELY is the most powerful attack we know of him using in combat, not to mention that Sith after Sith after sith has used it in combat, not some crazy ritual, so chances are its the most effective attack, and therefore the one sidious will use.
Each of these jedi can at the very least catch lightning on his saber. Yoda can catch it. (perhaps not against DE sidious however, but he could still use the classic lightsaber defense)
If sidious has DOUBLED in power between ROTS and DE, which is unlikely considering the scant amount of time to pass compared to the rest of his training, then he is still going to be required to do the following: split lightning between FOUR opponents at once. This means one of them will not recieve more than 1/2 of his attack from ROTS. Mace or Yoda could hold off such an attack with relative ease, and i have a hard time believing the other two would be overwhelmed, unless you are putting mace and yoda on a level TWICE as powerful as anakin and obi-wan. Once that attack fails, its on to a saber duel, and then Sidious dies. If he concentrates his entire attack on one opponent at once, he would probably succeed in killing about ONE of his opponents before someone else cut him down. He can't launch a full out lightning storm on someone and defend himself with a lightsaber at the same time.
I just don't understand how sidious could be thought to have a chance in this, nothing against sidious, but he is facing probably 4 of the top 10 duelist in history. Sidous would HAVE to use an attack other than lightning, if anyone knows of something else that sidious knows to destroy the jedi with the force other than lightning, present that knowledge, and i'll rethink my assessment, but you split 2x his ROTS voltage by four, and i just don't think its possible.

I believe Gideon is favored to debate this one. The points you and GV made concerning DE Sidious available force attacks he could use in this fight is the main reason he would lose.

I guess we will wait and see if Gideon or someone else can state what force attacks Sidious could use to turn this fight in his favor.

@'Schwarzenegger' I have no time to respond to dumbasses like you. You didnt provide any arguments at all, all you did was try to protect Gideon like hes your boyfriend or something. Grow up, Gideon can handle himself.

@Faunus

Uh, Dooku does it. Bane does it. The most powerful Sith Lord in history can do it, too.

So they do infact wave there hand and annihilate people then? Sources would be nice, or atleast identify the attack you are talking about.

Lightning that can vaporize metal hangings, lightsabers, and Dark side acolytes.

Umm show me where DE Sids can vaporize lightsabers or even people and then we will talk.

What do you mean, "split his power"? Is this Dragonball Z?

Lightning is a form of energy. Energy is more potent when its concentrated. Physics 101.

No, Sidious could tear up Anakin and Obi-Wan fairly easily here. But that's where he stops, because with Yoda on top of him he won't be able to kill Windu fast enough to prevent the Vaapad effect.

No, he wouldnt. Theres nothing to suggest Anakin and Obi wan would be teared apart here before Yoda and Mace can even get in range. And by that time Sids will be too occupied with protecting himself, if he went all out against Anakin or Obi Wan by that time he would lose his head to Yoda or Mace.

Anakin would defeat Luke in a duel, but Luke would dominate him in a contest of the Force. Luke is, by this point, more powerful than Anakin ever became.

Ill agree that Luke is stronger, but not by as much as you think. And if DE Luke can give DE Sids a run for his money, do you really think its reasonable that DE Sids would annihilate Anakin in .5 seconds?

And for the record Faunus I respect you, and think your a pretty cool guy. But I think your just doing this to help Gideon out, and hes quite capable of arguing this himself. I called him a fanboy because thats what he is, hes supported Sidious ever since Ive known him. Calling somone a fanboy isnt a bad insult though, unlike some of the shit thats been going down in this thread.

Umm show me where DE Sids can vaporize lightsabers or even people and then we will talk.

He disintegrates Leia's lightsaber in Dark Empire with what looks like a wave of his hand. But perhaps it was Force Lightning and I missed it. That should be up for some debate though, considering the lightsaber she was using was literally 10,000 years old, and was created from the less powerful organic crystals they used back then, instead of the synthetic crystals that the Jedi create themselves in later times (which are far more powerful).

For the record, I agree with your arguments in this particular thread, GV.