That, and several other places throughout KOTOR 2.
Why're you giving me a hard time about this? You thought it was perfectly fine for DE Sidious to wave his hand and BFR or kill Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time, even though he has never used TK to throw or move any Jedi - let alone two so powerful, let alone two at once.
What's up with the double standard, man? 😛
Besides, if you can't accept the breaking of their necks, how about an instant Force Drain. He did so to an entire planet at once, and the only one who has survived it has been the Exile, and only because she was a wound in the Force. These ones are not.
Anywho, it doesn't really matter what method Nihilus uses - he kills off at least two, if not all three, with ease.
Originally posted by EnyalusQuote me where i said that sidious would snap the necks of obi wan and anakin at once.
That, and several other places throughout KOTOR 2.Why're you giving me a hard time about this? You thought it was perfectly fine for DE Sidious to wave his hand and BFR or kill Anakin and Obi-Wan at the same time, even though he has never used TK to throw or move any Jedi - let alone two so powerful, let alone two at once.
Originally posted by EnyalusNo double standards pal, again show me where i said that.
What's up with the double standard, man? 😛
Originally posted by EnyalusOnce again get your facts straight, it was not a force drain but a technique that destroys his victims force bond, pay more attention to what kreia said.
Besides, if you can't accept the breaking of their necks, how about an instant Force Drain. He did so to an entire planet at once, and the only one who has survived it has been the Exile, and only because she was a wound in the Force. These ones are not.Anywho, it doesn't really matter what method Nihilus uses - he kills off at least two, if not all three, with ease.
Oh and if he could wipe out traya with relative ease let alone REVAN and traya, why couldn't he do it to a petty non force user like mandalore or a useless jedi like visas? Hmm.
Originally posted by Big S
Quote me where i said that sidious would snap the necks of obi wan and anakin at once.
Mm. You didn't seem to object to it. If I've misconstrued your opinion then I apologize. Though, I never said that you said it. I said you thought it was fine. Which I thought was your opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by Big S
Once again get your facts straight, it was not a force drain but a technique that destroys his victims force bond, pay more attention to what kreia said.
I asked someone this before - what would you like me to call it? Because I'm too lazy to type, "The Technique that Destroys His Victim's Force Bonds." 😉 Would you prefer Force Sever? I'll do that if so. But we both know what I'm referring to.
Originally posted by Big S
Oh and if he could wipe out traya with relative ease let alone REVAN and traya, why couldn't he do it to a petty non force user like mandalore or a useless jedi like visas? Hmm.
Are you arguing to argue at this point? 😛 He could take Traya out easily. He waves his hand and nearly and/or does Force Sever her and knock her backwards. Then lets Sion deal with her. You don't think so?
Also, I said Traya and Malak, not Revan. Although I'm pretty sure Revan would not be immune to his dark variant of Force Sever, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt anyway because he seems to be so powerful.
He never tries to use his Force Sever on Visas, because he didn't want to kill her. He doesn't attempt it on Mandalore, either. My opinion on that is because he was occupied and weakened by trying to sever the Exile and having been further weakened by Visas' attempt at cutting their Force Bond. He probably thought Mandalore beneath the effort, going by what we know of the Sith and their arrogance.
That's my speculation as to why he doesn't try to Sever him. It makes no difference if my opinion is right or not - he simply doesn't attempt it.
Enyalus I stuck with your argument and gave a counter argument. I do not know where you are getting this about Nihilus. It has never been proven that his technique is instantaneous. Nor has it been proven that it could instantly drain someone as powerful as Malak and Kreia.
Another thing, Sion and Nihilus had special techniques but that in no way means they were more powerful than Malak or Kreia. It took Sion and Nihilus to take out Kreia. Nihilus would die to force lightning. No way he is taking out Malak and Kreia with a swipe of his hand.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Enyalus I stuck with your argument and gave a counter argument. I do not know where you are getting this about Nihilus. It has never been proven that his technique is instantaneous. Nor has it been proven that it could instantly drain someone as powerful as Malak and Kreia.
It's never been proven that it isn't instantaneous, either. In Unseen, Unheard, in one panel it shows Nihilus onboard his ship over Katarr. Visas mentions her people not seeing him, but only hearing him speak. The very next panel, the entire planet is ripping apart, buildings collapsing, dark areas spread across the globe, and Visas mentions everyone dying. This points to it all being fairly quick, considering nothing suggests otherwise.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Another thing, Sion and Nihilus had special techniques but that in no way means they were more powerful than Malak or Kreia. It took Sion and Nihilus to take out Kreia. Nihilus would die to force lightning. No way he is taking out Malak and Kreia with a swipe of his hand.
It did not take Sion and Nihilus to take out Traya. Nihilus casually waves his hand, drops her on her ass and [maybe] severs her connection to the Force, then Sion jumps in and proceeds to kick her ass. Nihilus is never hard pressed when battling her. You can't even call it a battle.
Furthermore, we know how powerful Malak is on the Star Forge. This is even after amping himself by killing, what, 3 captured Jedi? Nihilus, already amazingly powerful, is going to also get a boost from being on there. How do I know his severing technique will work on someone like Malak and Traya? On Katarr, in addition to killing off the entire Force-sensitive Miraluka race, he kills a number of Jedi at the same time - including Jedi Masters Atris, Dorak, Zhar Lestin and Vandar Tokare. Three of them were on the Jedi High Council and Zhar Lestin was on the Dantooine Enclave Council, so, I'm quite sure he can handle one or two Sith Lords at once.
Furthermore, if Yoda can block Force Lightning with his bare hands, and the weak-ass General Kota can also block Force Lightning with his bare hands, what makes you think that a Dark Side amped, telekinetic and Master of the Force Darth Nihilus can't? Besides that, you only specified All-out, which means Nihilus would have his lightsaber. If Darth Bane's lightning - which disintegrates humans, severely chars 30 meter long drexls, and tears through Jedi Masters shields like paper - can be blocked by Raskta's lightsaber, I find it hard to believe Nihilus would be unable to do the same.
Originally posted by EnyalusIt's never been proven that it isn't instantaneous, either. In Unseen, Unheard, in one panel it shows Nihilus onboard his ship over Katarr. Visas mentions her people not seeing him, but only hearing him speak. The very next panel, the entire planet is ripping apart, buildings collapsing, dark areas spread across the globe, and Visas mentions everyone dying. This points to it all being fairly quick, considering nothing suggests otherwise.
Remember Enyalus when I say instantaneous I am referring only to a powerful force user. Kreia force drain was instant so was Nomi force sever on Ulic. So I do recognize the technique to be quick but we have no proof that it would work on or happen quickly to a powerful force user on the level of Kreia or Malak when they are in combat mode.
Also Malak and Kreia both were well versed in force drain. Malak could drain and replenish his energy at the same time. I doubt they did not know no defenses to the technique.
Originally posted by EnyalusIt did not take Sion and Nihilus to take out Traya. Nihilus casually waves his hand, drops her on her ass and [maybe] severs her connection to the Force, then Sion jumps in and proceeds to kick her ass. Nihilus is never hard pressed when battling her. You can't even call it a battle.[/B]
Maybe not, but Kreia definitely seem to have been caught off guard. The point is she did not die from whatever attack Nihilus used.
Originally posted by EnyalusFurthermore, we know how powerful Malak is on the Star Forge. This is even after amping himself by killing, what, 3 captured Jedi? Nihilus, already amazingly powerful, is going to also get a boost from being on there. How do I know his severing technique will work on someone like Malak and Traya? On Katarr, in addition to killing off the entire Force-sensitive Miraluka race, he kills a number of Jedi at the same time - including Jedi Masters Atris, Dorak, Zhar Lestin and Vandar Tokare. Three of them were on the Jedi High Council and Zhar Lestin was on the Dantooine Enclave Council, so, I'm quite sure he can handle one or two Sith Lords at once.[/B]
Enyalus, Kreia kill three with a wave of her hand also and called them weak before disposing of them. Not one person you mention remotely compares to Kreia or Malak in power. I am not going to even get into a discussion about Nihilus being more powerful than Malak. Nihilus only had one special technique.
Originally posted by EnyalusFurthermore, if Yoda can block Force Lightning with his bare hands, and the weak-ass General Kota can also block Force Lightning with his bare hands, what makes you think that a Dark Side amped, telekinetic and Master of the Force Darth Nihilus can't? Besides that, you only specified All-out, which means Nihilus would have his lightsaber. If Darth Bane's lightning - which disintegrates humans, severely chars 30 meter long drexls, and tears through Jedi Masters shields like paper - can be blocked by Raskta's lightsaber, I find it hard to believe Nihilus would be unable to do the same. [/B]
How does Nihilus compare to Yoda who blocked force lightning from the most powerful sith lord ever with his bare hands? Malak nor Revan is weak in power. A combine force lightning attack from them block by Nihilus. Get real!
Remember the scenario you presented against the one I did. Nihilus waves his hand to force drain Kreia and Malak. This happens at the same time Revan and Malak attack with force lightning.
Tell me how does Nihilus block with his saber? Please read the previous posts.
Let me clarify a few things:
@Ivalice:
When the Exile and co. walked up to Nihilus, he put them in stasis. Immediately. He could've cut them into pieces right there, but he didn't. Instead, he tried to sever the Exile's connection to the Force and feed on the resulting reverberations in a desperate attempt to mitigate his literally insatiable hunger. Of course, due to the nature of his target, the attack backfired and weakened him considerably.
Why didn't he kill Visas, you asked? The game gives the player an opportunity to have Visas sacrifice herself to destroy the Force-bond she had with her former master, which would've crippled him even more. So clearly, killing her would be completely counterproductive, and unlike the Exile's unique and inherent qualities, that is something Nihilus would know.
And why didn't he kill Mandalore? Because he doesn't matter. Nihilus only pays attention to strong presences - and presumably, absences - in the Force. Mandalore is a man with a gun, and therefore not a remote threat to the Dark Lord.
@kotor3:
If you believe that the overwhelmingly destructive power Nihilus wielded against Katarr takes time to unleash, and would like to pass it off as a ritual or something in that mold, prove it. Visas says that he simply speaks, and everything dies. Not like in Sithisis - which was awesome - when Darth Sidious goes through two or three distinct procedures before using a massive crystal to carry out his peculiar ritual.
If you are for some reason referring to the technique he used on Traya, I don't know what to tell you. He literally waves his hand, and she gets knocked on her ass. Her ability to wield the Force becomes inferior to that of upside-down, freezing, face-slashed-open ESB Luke Skywalker. Sion wasn't "needed," as you laughably said. He was just there for the ride.
Originally posted by Faunus
@kotor3:If you believe that the overwhelmingly destructive power Nihilus wielded against Katarr takes time to unleash, and would like to pass it off as a ritual or something in that mold, prove it. Visas says that he simply speaks, and everything dies. Not like in Sithisis - which was awesome - when Darth Sidious goes through two or three distinct procedures before using a massive crystal to carry out his peculiar ritual.
Not sure if this is in response to my most recent post but I have already answered this.
Originally posted by Faunus
If you are for some reason referring to the technique he used on Traya, I don't know what to tell you. He literally waves his hand, and she gets knocked on her ass. Her ability to wield the Force becomes inferior to that of upside-down, freezing, face-slashed-open ESB Luke Skywalker. Sion wasn't "needed," as you laughably said. He was just there for the ride.
I do not know when I made that statement about Sion. Are you sure it was me?
Not sure if this is in response to my most recent post but I have already answered this.I've read your response. It's an old, worn out, and completely ineffective one. You need to prove your stance, because it is not implied in any way by the canon sources we're looking at. If you're still talking about the "powerful Force-users in combat mode," then that has been addressed. Nihilus did it to Traya with a flick of his wrist.
I do not know when I made that statement about Sion. Are you sure it was me?
It took Sion and Nihilus to take out Kreia.
Originally posted by Faunus
I've read your response. It's an old, worn out, and completely ineffective one. You need to prove your stance, because it is not implied in any way by the canon sources we're looking at. If you're still talking about the "powerful Force-users in combat mode," then that has been addressed. Nihilus did it to Traya with a flick of his wrist.Talk about short-term memory.
Worn out, well prove so. We have been discussing this and you come along and now Nihilus did a force drain. Whatever, depending on how bored I am, I will see if I'll waste time responding to you.
Are you not understanding me, or something?
What Nihilus did to Katarr he did by speaking. You think that it takes time, or a ritual, or whatever. Prove it.
You also said that Nihilus needed Sion to take down Traya. This isn't the case, as I've definitively proven.
Now, I'm going to see you response, and based on just how stupid it is, I may or may not put you on ignore. The only people that I've ever put on my list were a hypocritical sock and someone who moronically accused me of being a bitter fanboy, so you know you're pushing it.
Originally posted by Faunus...Just cuss at him.
Are you not understanding me, or something?What Nihilus did to Katarr he did by speaking. You think that it takes time, or a ritual, or whatever. Prove it.
You also said that Nihilus needed Sion to take down Traya. This isn't the case, as I've definitively proven.
Now, I'm going to see you response, and based on just how stupid it is, I may or may not put you on ignore. The only people that I've ever put on my list were a hypocritical sock and someone who moronically accused me of being a bitter fanboy, so you know you're pushing it.
Originally posted by Faunus
Are you not understanding me, or something?
You know I really am trying not to get like other people on here who get irritated but Faunus I do not know what is up with your posts on this thread. You said you read my posts, then why do you keep asking questions I have answered. Here I will explain again.
Originally posted by Faunus
What Nihilus did to Katarr he did by speaking. You think that it takes time, or a ritual, or whatever. Prove it.
First thing Nihilus kill with a word has been argued so many times. Why do you even mention it like it is fact? When did I ever indicate that I believe it is done like a ritual? Here was my response:
"Remember Enyalus, when I say instantaneous I am referring only to a powerful force user. Kreia force drain was instant so was Nomi force sever on Ulic. So I do recognize the technique to be quick but we have no proof that it would work on or happen quickly to a powerful force user on the level of Kreia or Malak when they are in combat mode.
Also Malak and Kreia both were well versed in force drain. Malak could drain and replenish his energy at the same time. I doubt they did not know no defenses to the technique."
Originally posted by Faunus
You also said that Nihilus needed Sion to take down Traya. This isn't the case, as I've definitively proven.
I said both did it together, whether one or two was needed is not known. The point of the cut scene was to show they rebelled not Nihilus's power.
Also what is your point in mentioning Nihilus did not need Sion? You want to show he is more powerful than Kreia or perhaps Malak. Kreia maybe so but not Malak. Still this does not show that Nihilus can drain Malak or Kreia instantly.
Originally posted by Faunus
Now, I'm going to see you response, and based on just how stupid it is, I may or may not put you on ignore. The only people that I've ever put on my list were a hypocritical sock and someone who moronically accused me of being a bitter fanboy, so you know you're pushing it.
Whatever you decide Faunus I thought I was initially responding to Enyalus.
I think Kreia said something like "One cannot have power of that magnitude and still percieve the univers as the rest of us do"
NO ONE Said Malak was anything more than the Run-of-the-mill Dark Lord.
Malak was not a threat to all life.
He could not kill things just by being there.
Comments about Nihilus' power
"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger."
"The less said of that one, the better—even a stray thought may draw him."
"My people never saw his face when he struck—but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives."
"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
"You… you are the darkness in which all life dies, milord…"
Feats
Drawing upon the Force, Nihilus lifted the Ravager beyond the mass shadows and left with it
The devestation on katarr
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
I think Kreia said something like "One cannot have power of that magnitude and still percieve the univers as the rest of us do"NO ONE Said Malak was anything more than the Run-of-the-mill Dark Lord.
Malak was not a threat to all life.
He could not kill things just by being there.
Comments about Nihilus' power
"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger."
"The less said of that one, the better—even a stray thought may draw him."
"My people never saw his face when he struck—but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives."
"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."
"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
"You… you are the darkness in which all life dies, milord…"Feats
Drawing upon the Force, Nihilus lifted the Ravager beyond the mass shadows and left with it
The devestation on katarr
Here is the question I pose to you and everyone else who keeps repeating the same thing about Nihilus.
Since Nihilus and the Exile were both unique it that they were both wounds in the force, who was more powerful?
Also as you are answering I would like you to know that the Exile is not view as more powerful or stronger in the the force than Revan or Yoda, yet he was a wound just like Nihilus and Kreia's greatest student.
"NO ONE Said Malak was anything more than the Run-of-the-mill Dark Lord". Quite a funny statement since he was second to Revan and able to battle him.